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DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?
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SUSlurkingaround
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 Jul 1 2024, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 1 2024, 12:23 PM) Because sadly that is the nature of 3.5Ghz band we used. Currently, only Malaysia and Singapore that uses this frequency band for 5G in all area while other country in Southeast Asia only use 700Mhz band for their 5G with only some urban area in Thailand use 2.6GHz frequency band. Which mean, they technically just "refarm" the low band. Which is why Thailand can get away with lower density base station than Malaysia and still get higher coverage because that is the advantages of 700Mhz. But that 700MHz come at the cost of very low speed of around only 50 - 150 Mbps. That speed is like Malaysia urban area 4G speed only because ironically, Malaysia is indeed using Thailand 5G urban 2.6GHz band for 4G.  https://soyacincau.com/2019/07/09/mcmc-pi-7...ctrum-broadband. Afaik, 4G/5G Internet speed depends on how many frequency bands and their allocated bands (in MHz) can be used for "carrier aggregation". Eg U Mobile's 4G+ can use freq Band 1, 3, 7 and 8 with a total allocation of 90MHz for CA to achieve speeds of >100Mbps during off-peak hours. ....... DNB-5G has an allocation of 200MHz for it's mid-band (78) 3.5GHz which can be used for CA to achieve speeds of >300Mbps. Only it's high-band (257) 28GHz with an allocation of 1,600MHz for CA can achieve >1Gbps or >1,000Mbps. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jul 1 2024, 08:48 PM |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Jul 3 2024, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Jul 3 2024, 12:01 PM) Went to Lowyat to fix my phone. Surprisingly the 5G speed is way slower than 4G+ despite repeating conducted the 5G speedtest We really need another 5G network in cities to free up some of the DNB capacity . Probably because more subscribers have upgraded to 5G from 4G, believing they would always get faster speed than 4G but instead they themselves caused more network congestion on mid-band 5G = they get slower speed than 4G. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Jul 3 2024, 02:11 PM
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. Fyi, the upcoming transition is 5G NSA ---> 5G SA ---> 5G Advanced = you will need to buy new phones to get 5G-A or 5G+ = Planned Obsolescence.? ....... https://www.androidauthority.com/5g-advance...lained-3430001/ - What is 5G Advanced and when will it release?
5G already has a semi-replacement on the horizon, here's what to expect from it.
By Calvin Wankhede
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SUSlurkingaround
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Jul 15 2024, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(prosibu @ Jul 15 2024, 04:23 PM) I can imagine if without DNB... Every day i will be frustrating which telco has 5G at which area and port here and there is required if user move from here to there. And now every single site DNB built on the earth, it will be serving all malaysia telco users. Of coz, y inbuilding has no 5G covered? Coz the spectrum can be used for existing 2G3G4G indoor booster are hold by those legacy telco. As long as they willing to return the spectrum to gov and gov reassign to DNB, then we can have 5G indoor ... (But who will, except the celcomdigi consolidation spectrum return which is year 2026?) Else, DNB need to get all approval from building owner to build a total new indoor system which may take longer time for setup 5G indoor system which support 3.5Ghz and 700mhz . DNB should transition from 5G NSA to 5G SA asap, in order to release it's own low-band 700MHz/Band 28 for better 5G indoor coverage. ....... Hopefully, DNB2 can straightaway deploy 5G SA with a low-band 5G frequency in early 2025. ....... https://www.fierce-network.com/5g/standalon...o%20the%20punch. - WIRELESS
Standalone 5G summer: Where's T-Mobile at with 5G SA?
By Dan Jones
Jul 5, 2023 .... T-Mobile was the first mobile network operator in the world to switch on a standalone (SA) 5G network. It turned on its 600 MHz low-band nationwide 5G SA network on August 4, 2020, beating even Chinese operators like China Mobile (SHA: 600941) to the punch. https://stlpartners.com/articles/network-in...one-deployment/ - Sep 2023 - 5G SA deploymenthttps://gsacom.com/press-release/115-operat...-5g-standalone/ - 2 Aug 2023 - 115 mobile operators now investing in 5G Standalone networks globally .... Of these, GSA data confirms that at least 36 operators in 25 countries and territories are now understood to have launched or deployed public 5G Standalone (SA) networks, two of which have only soft-launched their 5G SA networks. Reflecting the growth in 5G SA network deployments, the new 5G Standalone report also confirms that the number of announced 5G SA devices has now risen to 1,750 in July 2023, up from 686 at the end of 2021. As the 5G SA ecosystem grows, it is now supported by 86 announced modems and chipsets, with new features set to widen adoption in the future. ... . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Jul 16 2024, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jul 15 2024, 08:42 PM) . DNB should transition from 5G NSA to 5G SA asap, in order to release it's own low-band 700MHz/Band 28 for better 5G indoor coverage. ....... Hopefully, DNB2 can straightaway deploy 5G SA with a low-band 5G frequency in early 2025. ....... https://www.fierce-network.com/5g/standalon...o%20the%20punch. - WIRELESS
Standalone 5G summer: Where's T-Mobile at with 5G SA?
By Dan Jones
Jul 5, 2023 .... T-Mobile was the first mobile network operator in the world to switch on a standalone (SA) 5G network. It turned on its 600 MHz low-band nationwide 5G SA network on August 4, 2020, beating even Chinese operators like China Mobile (SHA: 600941) to the punch. https://stlpartners.com/articles/network-in...one-deployment/ - Sep 2023 - 5G SA deploymenthttps://gsacom.com/press-release/115-operat...-5g-standalone/ - 2 Aug 2023 - 115 mobile operators now investing in 5G Standalone networks globally .... Of these, GSA data confirms that at least 36 operators in 25 countries and territories are now understood to have launched or deployed public 5G Standalone (SA) networks, two of which have only soft-launched their 5G SA networks. Reflecting the growth in 5G SA network deployments, the new 5G Standalone report also confirms that the number of announced 5G SA devices has now risen to 1,750 in July 2023, up from 686 at the end of 2021. As the 5G SA ecosystem grows, it is now supported by 86 announced modems and chipsets, with new features set to widen adoption in the future. ... . QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 16 2024, 12:34 PM) But I doubt the 2nd network will transition to 5G SA instantly when they are release since 5G SA is about cost issue and the cost to setup standalone network is very expensive. There is a reason why only minority of MNOs have standalone 5G network in the whole world. MNOs itself is not a charity. They won't bother about investing in SA since they themselves doesn't know how to take advantage of the standalone network other than the talking about nonexistent problem. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « . https://nybsys.com/what-is-5g-standalone/ - 24 April 2024 .... Well, 4G to 5G transition involves a critical intermediate step known as 5G NSA. In this network, the 5G networks are built on the existing 4G LTE infrastructure. Through this, the Mobile Network Operators (MNOs) leverage their existing network investments. ... AFAIK, when DNB started deploying it's 5G NSA network in mid 2021, DNB had no existing 4G LTE infrastructure to build on, ie DNB had to start from scratch - hence, the high costs in DNB deploying it's 5G NSA network = RM16.5 billion over 10 years to achieve 99% coverage. ....... So, DNB should have straightaway deployed 5G SA = only slightly higher costs than deploying 5G NSA. . Note that 5G has higher download speeds is mainly because DNB has a 200MHz range for it's mid-band 3.5GHz for Carrier Aggregation. In comparison, U Mobile only has a total of 90MHz range for it's sub-3GHz 4G LTE frequency bands. ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced .... LTE Advanced Pro (LTE-A Pro, also known as 4.5G, 4.5G Pro, 4.9G, Pre-5G, 5G Project) is a name for 3GPP release 13 and 14. It is an evolution of LTE Advanced (LTE-A) cellular standard supporting data rates in excess of 3 Gbit/s using 32-carrier aggregation. ... . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 1 2024, 03:21 PM
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. Latest news: ....... https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...cond-5g-network - 2024/08/01 - celcomdigi-submits-plan-on-second-5g-network . If CelcomDigi partners with Maxis to set up DNB2 and 5G SA(.?), they will likely contract with Huawei and ZTE = much cheaper set-up costs (< RM10 billion over 10 years.?) than DNB1 which went with Ericsson and 5G NSA that costs about RM16 billion over 10 years. If U Mobile, YES and TM Unifi Mobile end up owning the government's DNB1, they will likely be stuck with DNB1's huge debt. And if DNB1 will not quickly transition to 5G SA, they will lose market share to DNB2's 5G SA(.?) once the latter is up and running with >67% population coverage. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 2 2024, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Aug 1 2024, 04:29 PM) 5G Standalone transition depend on MNOs itself to provide the core. In MOCN, the telco share spectrum and hardware but the core itself is independent. Which mean DNB can literally activate 5G standalone if the MNOs already ready with their 5G core.  For the coverage itself, that is quite an optimistic view in my opinion. For references, TM HSBB has existed more than the decades. Other alternatives such as Time and TNB fibre line still very slow to expand. If like fibre expansion is how the MNOs gonna roll out the 2nd network 5G. It gonna take a really long time to reach that 67% coverage. . https://www.digi.com/blog/post/5g-network-architecture - What Is 5G Network Architecture?
Harald Remmert, CTO, Cellular Solutions , Digi International
March 19, 2021  .... The earliest uses of 5G technology will not be exclusively 5G but will appear in applications where connectivity is shared with existing 4G LTE in what is called non-standalone (NSA) mode. When operating in this mode, a device will first connect to the 4G LTE network, and if 5G is available, the device will be able to use it for additional bandwidth. For example, a device connecting in 5G NSA mode could get 200 Mbps of downlink speed over 4G LTE and another 600 Mbps over 5G at the same time, for an aggregate speed of 800 Mbps. ...
The 5G core uses a cloud-aligned service-based architecture (SBA) to support authentication, security, session management and aggregation of traffic from connected devices, all of which requires the complex interconnection of network functions, as shown in the 5G core diagram. ... . AFAIK, both 5G Core (= software) and 5G SA cell towers (= hardware) can solely be set up by DNB2 (ie no need MNOs to do so) and then shared by it's celco or MNO partners (eg CelcomDigi and Maxis.?) depending on the partners' internal agreement wrt bandwidth, payment for access to 5G SA, etc. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 19 2024, 05:00 PM
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. Latest news: ....... https://www.lowyat.net/2024/329511/four-mno...2nd-5g-network/ - CelcomDigi, Maxis, TM, And U Mobile Submit Bids To Develop Second 5G Network
A decision by MCMC is expected to be made within the year.
BY HEIRUL KAMEL AUGUST 16, 2024 . . https://www.lowyat.net/2024/329164/celcomdi...ure-in-sarawak/ - CelcomDigi, U Mobile, And ZTE Set Up 5G-A Infrastructure In Sarawak
Ahead of the upcoming SUKMA 2024 games.
BY JOHN LAW AUGUST 13, 2024 = AFAIK, 5G-A(dvanced) is based on 5G SA, unlike DNB1's 5G NSA. Does this mean the Sarawak and Sabah state governments will soon deploy their own 2nd 5G SA network by CelcomDigi and U Mobile, to compete with DNB1, ie no DNB2 in Sabah and Sarawak.? . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 19 2024, 05:10 PM |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 24 2024, 12:30 PM
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. Latest news: ....... https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ssa-termination - TM stands firm in advancing Malaysia's digital infrastructure post-SSA termination
Friday, 23 Aug 2024 = TM Unifi Mobile won't be a shareholder of DNB1 and will likely also not be a shareholder of DNB2. OTOH, TM has clout in West Malaysia because both DNBs need to buy 5G backhaul Fibre connections (to the Internet) for all their 5G cell towers and small-cells from TM HSBB Fibre Wholesale. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 28 2024, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 24 2024, 12:30 PM) . Latest news: ....... https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ssa-termination - TM stands firm in advancing Malaysia's digital infrastructure post-SSA termination
Friday, 23 Aug 2024 = TM Unifi Mobile won't be a shareholder of DNB1 and will likely also not be a shareholder of DNB2. OTOH, TM has clout in West Malaysia because both DNBs need to buy 5G backhaul Fibre connections (to the Internet) for all their 5G cell towers and small-cells from TM HSBB Fibre Wholesale. . QUOTE(YoungMan @ Aug 24 2024, 04:14 PM) That's true. No matter what, can't run away from TM. QUOTE(JLA @ Aug 28 2024, 11:37 AM) TM Net and TM Wholesale is different company with their own fiber cable Got any news unifi fiber down, telco tower also down because of TM HSBB fiber cut ? TM’s High Speed Broadband (HSBB) cabel cut not effected 4G 5G site https://soyacincau.com/2021/09/06/tm-unifi-...-cable-cut-xrs/TM fibre-optic cables for bank and gov not link to High Speed Broadband (HSBB) network either https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...n-outage-254119Same as TM fibre-optic cables for DUKE https://soyacincau.com/2022/12/17/duke-spe-...allet-down-xrs/DNB using TM Wholesale fibre cable network not TM High Speed Broadband (HSBB) https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-developmentAre you sure DNB's 5G network not using TM HSBB.? ....... https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development - 16 DEC 2021
TM INKS AGREEMENT WITH DNB TO PROVIDE FIBRE CONNECTIVITY IN ACCELERATING ROLLOUT OF 5G NETWORK SERVICES NATIONWIDE .... DNB will be able to leverage on TM’s extensive fibre and network infrastructure, and subscribe to TM’s 5G RAN-to-Edge Fronthaul and Backhaul solution for the provision of fibre connectivity, enabling DNB to provide 5G network services nationwide.
Under the agreement, TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. ... . https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/ - TM aims to achieve 58% fibre coverage in Sabah by 2025
BY Alexander Wong - 22 July 2022 .... This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. ...
TM has also rolled out 59 fibre connectivity sites at schools in Sabah which serves as Points of Presence (PoP). In total, TM has deployed over 600,000km of fibre optic cables throughout Malaysia and will continue to expand in line with JENDELA ... . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 28 2024, 03:36 PM |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Aug 28 2024, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 28 2024, 03:24 PM) Are you sure DNB's 5G network not using TM HSBB.? ....... https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development - 16 DEC 2021
TM INKS AGREEMENT WITH DNB TO PROVIDE FIBRE CONNECTIVITY IN ACCELERATING ROLLOUT OF 5G NETWORK SERVICES NATIONWIDE .... DNB will be able to leverage on TM’s extensive fibre and network infrastructure, and subscribe to TM’s 5G RAN-to-Edge Fronthaul and Backhaul solution for the provision of fibre connectivity, enabling DNB to provide 5G network services nationwide.
Under the agreement, TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. ... . https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/ - TM aims to achieve 58% fibre coverage in Sabah by 2025
BY Alexander Wong - 22 July 2022 .... This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. ...
TM has also rolled out 59 fibre connectivity sites at schools in Sabah which serves as Points of Presence (PoP). In total, TM has deployed over 600,000km of fibre optic cables throughout Malaysia and will continue to expand in line with JENDELA ... . QUOTE(JLA @ Aug 28 2024, 06:00 PM) This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/Executive Vice President, TM Wholesale TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-developmentnever said DNB are tapping on the HSBB network . Isn't TM's HSBB = 600,000km to 640,000km of domestic Fibre-optic cable network, which DNB's 5G mobile sites and nodes are leveraging on.? Isn't it redundant for TM to have a separate (from HSBB) Fibre-optic cable network just to service the backhaul connections of 4G/5G mobile sites or cell towers.? ....... AFAIK, 4G/5G backhaul Fibre-optic connections are eventually connected to TM HSBB Fibre-optic cable network but using different software from that of immobile/fixed TM Unifi Fibre Home/Business plans. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 1 2024, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(Sotongg @ Nov 1 2024, 08:33 PM) the least expected winner from big four, i was expecting either celcomdigi or maxis to be chosen QUOTE(YoungMan @ Nov 1 2024, 08:06 PM) . U Mobile chosen to implement second 5G network
FMT Reporters
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01 Nov 2024, 08:01 PM
The company, which has tycoon Vincent Tan as its chairman, will be allowed to work with other mobile network operators in rolling out the second 5G network. = DNB2 owned by U Mobile with Maxis and YES as equal partner shareholders.? DNB1 which has a huge debt (RM12 billion.?), owned by CelcomDigi and TM Unifi Mobile because both are "bail-out"able GLCs.? . The BIG question now is how will MCMC allot the 5G frequency bands to DNB2, equally or unequally wrt DNB1.? . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 1 2024, 09:18 PM
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. More detailed news: ....... https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/1...twork-says-mcmc
KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 1): U Mobile Sdn Bhd has been selected to implement Malaysia's second 5G network, the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission announced on Friday.
"U Mobile Sdn Bhd, subject to the approval of MCMC, is allowed to collaborate with other MNOs (mobile network operators) in the implementation of Malaysia’s Second 5G Network. MCMC will continue to oversee the progress of the implementation of Malaysia’s second 5G network to ensure total compliance with all regulatory requirements as provided for in the Communications and Multimedia Act 1998 (Act 588)," it said in a statement.
It said the MNO was selected after it had "rigorously undertaken processes encompassing detailed deliberations on technical and commercial aspects", and that the selection was made in the interest of "maximising the true potential of 5G technology for the benefit of rakyat, the industry, and the nation".
U Mobile, linked to Tan Sri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun, won the bid against Maxis Bhd (KL:MAXIS) and CelcomDigi Bhd (KL:CDB). The tender closed at end-July.
Previously, Telekom Malaysia Bhd (KL:TM) had also expressed its intention to lead the second network but failed to complete its subscription of shares in Malaysia's first 5G network operator Digital Nasional Bhd (DNB) within the stipulated deadline. The share subscription was a prerequisite to bid for the second network.
Most Malaysian telcos have proposed for the second network ever since the setting up of DNB, a Ministry of Finance-linked company that was set to roll out Malaysia's 5G infrastructure across populated and rural areas to be leased out to the MNOs.
Currently, Maxis, CelcomDigi, U Mobile and YTL Communications Sdn Bhd own a 16.3% stake each in DNB.
The latest development could spell the exit of U Mobile from DNB. It remains to be seen whether the other MNOs will remain in DNB or join hands with U Mobile instead.
U Mobile had earlier signed memorandums of understanding with telco tower operator Edotco Group Sdn Bhd, as well as Chinese digital network equipment provider ZTE in relation to the proposed second 5G network roll-out.
There is a concern that once the second network is set up, the players would just focus on the densely populated centres where demand for 5G is expected to be high, leaving DNB to invest in building up the 5G infrastructure in rural areas, where the demand does not always justify the investment.
In a recent interview with The Edge, Digital Minister Gobind Singh Deo said that despite this possibility, the sustainability of DNB will remain intact if it is able to "provide 5G to industries" and thus remain commercially viable.
“I’m fully confident that it [DNB] will not only survive but also play an integral role in how Malaysia develops its digital economy moving ahead," Gobind said at the time. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 2 2024, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 2 2024, 07:48 AM) DNB1 : yes + maxis + TM DNB2 : berjaya umobile + axiata edotco + axiata celcomdigi + berjaya redone since no news of the new 5G spectrum, so DNB1 and DNB2 using the same 5G band DNB under Digital Minister Gobind Singh Deo. so dont attack Fahmi . Afaik, DNB1 and DNB2 cannot be using the same frequency bands for 5G. Similarly for celcos not doing so for 4G. . Latest News Update: ....... https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/02/u-mobile-...ond-5g-network/ - U Mobile eager to work with CelcomDigi and TM (and Huawei) to build second 5G network, to reduce foreign majority shareholding to 20%
BY Alexander Wong - 2 November 2024, 10:37 am .... Based on the latest SSM data, U Mobile is currently half-owned by Singapore-based Straits Mobile Investments Pte Ltd which holds a 48.3% stake in the orange telco. This is followed by DYMM Agong Sultan Ibrahim holding 22.3%, Magnum Berhad at 7.8%, Singer (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd at 6.1% and U Telemedia Sdn Bhd at 5.6%. ... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_Mobile - previous shareholding, ... Stakeholders
The major shareholder of U Mobile includes Straits Mobile Investments Pte. Ltd (49%), followed by U Telemedia Sdn Bhd (21.46%), DYMM Sultan Ibrahim (15%),[30] Magnum Berhad (6.33%), Tan Sri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun (6.2%), and Berjaya Infrastructure Sdn Bhd (2.01%). = presently U Mobile is managed by the Singaporean 48.3% shareholder. Who will be managing U Mobile after this.? Status Quo.? Johor royalty.? Berjaya Vincent Tan.? . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 2 2024, 02:33 PM |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 3 2024, 04:08 PM
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I expect DNB2's U Mobile will be able to offer cheapest 5G plans than DNB1 and other celcos.
CelcomDigi, Maxis and YES are likely between a rock and a hard place, ie in choosing between DNB1 or DNB2. TM Unifi Mobile is less affected because TM has leverage in DNB's 5G backhaul connection to TM HSBB Fibre network.
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 4 2024, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 4 2024, 05:43 PM) 2nd network should not be existed since day 1, all telco requested for 2nd due to they want to earn 100% of it. But i tot all telco know that the award will go to 1 telco only, why they feel like all of them will get the award? During 3G license, umobile and time.com has smaller and no experience on mobile network but they won the license also. Now maxis feel the Digi at 2008 time. Just they too confident that they will win... QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 4 2024, 06:40 PM) . .... According to Digital Nasional Berhad’s Reference Access Offer (RAO), telcos will have to pay RM30,000 per Gbps per month to access the national 5G network. ... https://soyacincau.com/2023/08/24/customers...-dnbs-response/ - 2023/08/24= celcos are each paying DNB RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps for 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM320 million per year and the other celcos are paying RM288 million per year (= access fewer cell towers than Maxis). This payment is besides the huge upfront fee for 5G access. . . Because DNB2 would have likely charge other celcos lower RAO fees to access it's 5G network. In this case, once U Mobile's DNB2 has been set up with >50% coverage, U Mobile will likely charge other celcos much lower than RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access because the costs to set up DNB2 will be much lower compared to DNB1 (= RM12 billion in debt.?). . . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 5 2024, 09:57 PM |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 8 2024, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 7 2024, 01:04 PM) Congestion area - DNB wants to use 2nd 100mhz awarded by gov but complaint by all telco. They claimed the 2nd 100mhz is for 2nd 5G network... In this case who to blame? . Your sos please. AFAIK, DNB1 is using all the allotted 200MHz (= 4Gbps bandwidth) mid-band frequency, ie from 3410MHz to 3511MHz. ....... Most of the 5 celcos are paying DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year to access 1,000 5G cell towers at 1Gbps. MCMC can allocate any frequencies between 3.3GHz to 3.8GHz to DNB2 for 5G mid-band. ....... https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/ar...bands-5g-world/ - 5G spectrum bands explained
— low, mid and high band
Everything you need to know about 5G spectrum, millimeter-wave tech, auctions, and what the right spectrum means to you. . |
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SUSlurkingaround
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Nov 8 2024, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 4 2024, 10:35 PM) . Fyi, ....... . .... According to Digital Nasional Berhad’s Reference Access Offer (RAO), telcos will have to pay RM30,000 per Gbps per month to access the national 5G network. ... https://soyacincau.com/2023/08/24/customers...-dnbs-response/ - 2023/08/24= celcos have chosen to pay DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access. Is this a reasonable or fair price.? ....... https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...st-implication/ - 2023/05/05 - second-5g-network-sparks-debate-on-ownership-cost-implication .... In 2022, DNB announced that the SWN model would cost telco operators RM30,000 per Gbps (gigabit per second) a month (or 13 sen per GB) on 5G leasing charges.
Assuming a take-up rate of 1,000Gbps, this would ultimately cost the telcos a whopping RM360 million a year to provide 5G to consumers.
This comes on top of fixed upfront fees, which must be paid regardless of DNB’s progress with population coverage. ... = Maxis is paying the RM360 million per year while other celcos are paying RM288 million per year (= access fewer 5G cell towers than Maxis) . https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...dustry-veteran/ - DNB’s proposed 5G rates for telcos ‘quite expensive’, says industry veteran
Robin Augustin - 06 May 2022, 08:15 AM
Ex-Jaring CEO Mohamed Awang Lah says it could discourage buy-in from telecommunications companies. . DNB2 or U Mobile may be a cost saviour for the other celcos. . QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 8 2024, 02:14 PM) . Your sos please. AFAIK, DNB1 is using all the allotted 200MHz (= 4Gbps bandwidth) mid-band frequency, ie from 3410MHz to 3511MHz. ....... Most of the 5 celcos are paying DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year to access 1,000 5G cell towers at 1Gbps. MCMC can allocate any frequencies between 3.3GHz to 3.8GHz to DNB2 for 5G mid-band. ....... https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/ar...bands-5g-world/ - 5G spectrum bands explained
— low, mid and high band
Everything you need to know about 5G spectrum, millimeter-wave tech, auctions, and what the right spectrum means to you. . QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 8 2024, 04:03 PM) per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access ??? I tot all news saying for whole bandwidth? https://www.digital-nasional.com.my/sites/d...fer_Version.pdfMy repost above fyi. . |
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. Latest news update: https://www.lowyat.net/2024/337102/u-mobile...t-of-ownership/ - U Mobile Announces Strategic Alignment Of Ownership; Gears Up For Second 5G Network
Its chairman, Vincent Tan, also defended the telco's selection and criticised the 5G implementation introduced under the Muhyiddin administration.
BY HEIRUL KAMEL NOVEMBER 10, 2024 https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...monopoly/156366 - 2024/11/10 - u-mobile-chairman-tan-sri-vincent-tan-assures-malaysians-of-companys-local-control-and-commitment-to-break-5g-monopoly
U Mobile chairman Tan Sri Vincent Tan said U Mobile operates with a significant record of accomplishment, highlighting its RM3.5 billion revenue in 2023, a net profit of RM102 million, and total assets valued at RM6.2 billion. Let's wait-and-see who will end up owning DNB1 that has a total spending or private debts of ....... .... DNB’s roll-out, estimated to cost Malaysian taxpayers just over RM16.5 billion (US$3.44 billion), ... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malays...-berhad-4271661 - Malaysia’s billion-dollar 5G roll-out stumbles as deal breaks down between powerful telcos, state-owned operator - 19 April 2024 . |
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 10 2024, 03:04 PM) . Let's wait-and-see who will end up owning DNB1 that has a total spending or private debts of ....... .... DNB’s roll-out, estimated to cost Malaysian taxpayers just over RM16.5 billion (US$3.44 billion), ... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malays...-berhad-4271661 - Malaysia’s billion-dollar 5G roll-out stumbles as deal breaks down between powerful telcos, state-owned operator - 19 April 2024 . . In comparison, the TM HSBB Fibre network monopoly in Semenanjung costs "only" RM13.1 billion in it's deployment from 2008 to 2025. ....... https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/tm-inks...premises-target - TM inks agreement to deploy HSBB to more than the initial 1.3 million premises target - 7 March 2017 .... On Sept 2008, TM accepted a letter of award from the government to roll out HSBB infrastructure over a period of 10 years.
The project involved an investment of RM8.9 billion from TM and RM2.4 billion from the government. The aim was to provide HSBB network access to over 1.3 million premises by 2012.
Phase one of the HSBB covers the inner Klang Valley, all key economic and industrial zones throughout the country, the Iskandar Malaysia Region, and all public and private institutions of higher education within the rollout areas.
Phase two, which is also a 10-year project that began in Dec 2015, encompasses the deployment of additional access and core capacity covering state capitals and selected major towns throughout the country, and aims to cover 390,000 premises by the end of this year.
Total cost for HSBB 2 is RM1.8 billion; the government would put up RM500 million, while TM would bear the remaining RM1.3 billion. ... Maybe the Madani government should also allow a HSBB2 Fibre network because TM Unifi Fibre plan prices are quite high, eg higher compared to neighboring countries like Thailand and Singapore, eg allow TNB or Maxis to expand it's existing Fibre network to become HSBB2. . |
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