DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?
DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?
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Jul 1 2024, 01:27 AM
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Without competition DNB self claim themselves as higher speed 5G in Malaysia. All telco are riding on same 5G Infra if down all network faces down. Also heavily congested recent days. Telco's free 5G phone campaign forced consumers switch to 5G phones. Also major telcos offering 5G home broadbands. Speeds are pretty slow. From 1Gbps to 100mbps. DNB claims 100mbps is standard for 5G Lol 4G+ can go up to 200mbps DNB still earn all credits with Monopoly scheme my suggestion will more competition gets more value more speeds and less price. Major telcos revamped data plans due to DNB monopoly. CelcomDigi won't set stupid 5G speed cap if they had own 5G network. |
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Jul 1 2024, 10:21 AM
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Jul 1 2024, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 1 2024, 01:56 AM) If DNB self claim can somehow brings Malaysia to one of the top global 5G speeds, why can't it done be the same with 4G? Speeds are subjectable. 4G broadband had bad experience among consumers in terms of speed where 5G changed the landscape. Minimum 300mbps Does Maxis or Celcom has claim to be one of the fastest 4G network GLOBALLY? Because the last time I read the news, Malaysia 4G MEDIAN speed is barely fast in Southeast Asia itself. ![]() https://www.lowyat.net/2022/266106/malaysia...load-speed-sea/ To self claim as the highest speed globally, the whole Malaysia need to have a high median speed which the data already prove. Even in context of congestion, what is the speed of 4G compared to 5G during congestion time? Does 5G suddenly become slower than 4G? Again same question by me. What is the speed of 4G Broadband compared to 5G Broadband in peak hours? For your information, 100Mbps is a standard that is set by ITU-R. An organization under United Nations that proposed IMT-2020. 3GPP then use this standard to create the network that we called 5G nowadays. Based on the picture below, 4G (IMT-Advanced) standard speed is only 10 Mbps which is ironically Malaysia 4G median speed like the table shown above. Theoretical peak 5G speed is 20Gbps while for 4G is 1Gbps. That is a massive difference. ![]() https://x.com/ITU/status/1039885559399936000 is that true with 4G? In 4G era, maybe that is true. But now that is not true anymore though especially when we see how global MNOs are pricing their plan. I don't see a major country that somehow have their 5G plan price is getting lesser with more MNOs in the country. What happen is they all increase the price for 5G plan. Only in Malaysia where 5G somehow decrease the price of 5G plan. USA: ![]() https://www.lightreading.com/5g/expect-5g-o...-prices-in-2024 India: ![]() Bonus: Here a short simple video about how 5G get standardized. Knowledgeable in India GOVT approved above 2 5G band to deploy. Example Jio deploy 5G Standalone network where Airtel deploy non standalone ( similar to Malaysia DNB ) My opinion more competition gets more better quality network. DNB 5G coverage is good in Klang Valley. They need improve indoor coverages. Also MNO should focus on 4G too OfficiallyAhmad liked this post
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Jul 1 2024, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Jul 1 2024, 07:51 PM) Since DNB already focus on 5G NSA, the second network should be focussing on 5G SA and match DNB's coverage. Very true example Digi Celcom merger since they both one coverage for both network now far better. Hope MCMC and Ministry deploy / force MOCN to get good 4G experience without just adding to many towersIndeed, hence it would be good if MCMC regulate that all MNOs to allow MOCN. This is so we can fix the need to have multiple sim to cater to availability of cell coverage. Yes it's time to move on 5G SA network on 2nd network also implement Voiceover NR ( Vo5G) OfficiallyAhmad liked this post
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Jul 16 2024, 12:47 PM
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5G vs 4G speeds from Digi Bukit Tinggi Klang near SK Batu Unjur. Even Maxis 5G also same result Attached thumbnail(s) OfficiallyAhmad liked this post
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Jul 16 2024, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 16 2024, 07:07 PM) Maxis mulling U Mobile buyout, Bloomberg reports Instead of acquiring one to one brand why not Telco can't joint hands with MCMC to deploy MOCN too all their customers. You get profit by sharing infra to others Telco also getting satisfying network to consumers..(July 16): Maxis Bhd (KL:MAXIS), a Malaysian telecommunications firm controlled by billionaire T Ananda Krishnan, is considering buying out U Mobile Sdn Bhd to help it expand in the Asian country, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Kuala Lumpur-listed Maxis has expressed interest in U Mobile and talks are at an early stage, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing private information. Malaysian businessman Tan Sri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun and Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd-backed Singapore Technologies Telemedia Pte Ltd are among U Mobile’s major shareholders. Pricing could be a hurdle to a potential buyout, with U Mobile’s owners seeking a valuation of more than RM10 billion, according to the people. There’s no guarantee that a deal will be reached, they said. In a message to Bloomberg News on Monday, Tan said U Mobile was rejecting the buyout offer and planning to file for an initial public offering (IPO) at the end of July. U Mobile has been considering an IPO since 2021. “We are rejecting Maxis' offer,” Tan wrote in response to a query from Bloomberg. “We are submitting for an IPO at the end of this month.” A representative for U Mobile said the company wouldn’t comment on market speculation. “We are very focused on delivering more innovative 5G products and services to our customers, and doing the prep work required to respond to the Applicant Information Package issued by Malaysia’s government to participate in the tender for building the nation’s second 5G network,” she said. Representatives for Maxis and ST Telemedia declined to comment. Founded in 2006, U Mobile is Malaysia’s youngest telecom company, according to its website. It has more than 4,000 4G websites and a network ready for 5G, the website shows. It also offers services including fintech and digital payments. Last month, it signed an agreement for an undisclosed equity stake in state-owned Digital Nasional Bhd, which is building 5G infrastructure in the country. Maxis shares have fallen 9.4% this year, giving it a market value of RM27.3 billion. The company has over 13 million customers and a fibre network of more than 22,000km, according to its annual report. Like now DNB with 5G all Telco users getting 5G network with same coverage and network. Easy win. Off course in business terms it's kinda win or lose but again at least you can be truthful to consumers. It's 2024 still 4G coverage is spotty. Like A Telco had good coverage where B C doesn't have coverage in particular area |
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Jul 17 2024, 05:33 PM
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Jul 17 2024, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Jul 17 2024, 04:48 PM) Probably from the telcos point of view, it is one way to kill off their rival. If Telco A dominate in certain area, then ppl who frequent that place will have no choice but to subscribe to them. If All the telcos have the same coverage, only thing they can do is see who can throw price. It benefits the consumer but not the telcos. Understand. I'm more happy if less MNO but better service coverage and value for money hope another merger soon.Same thing happen to our national HSBB infra, whereby if you want to subscribe other fibre provider riding on HSBB, there is always the excuse of no port. But if you subscribe to the main fibre provider, suddently from no port someone will come and add additional port for you. I support another merger, be it Maxis-Umobile or Umobile-Unifi or Yes-whatever. After merger we still have Tm and a few more telcos, perhaps one of the MVNO can finally come out to be MNO. prosibu liked this post
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Aug 1 2024, 06:39 PM
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DNB 5G still expending 5G coverage until 2nd 5G announcement I guess. So many new 5G smartpole tower been installed near Klang and Bandar Saujana Putra area even near my home where had weak 5G signal. But non of them activated by time being. Maybe they might waiting for approval from certain authorities or funding issues. Seems CelcomDigi Umobile are working hard to get 2nd 5G tender to work on no update on Maxis so far prosibu liked this post
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Oct 8 2024, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Oct 8 2024, 02:02 PM) Does DNB waiting for MCMC announcement? I saw many empty 5G poles being install for past 4 months near Klang area OfficiallyAhmad liked this post
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Nov 3 2024, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Nov 3 2024, 06:38 PM) Personally it's make No sense CelcomDigi to joined DNB2 with U Mobile leading it... Both Maxis and CD are biggest telco giant...They actually want the leader... Not follower... I think They just use the current DNB1 because it's already Matured one. Just needed to expand it's capacity little more... Coverage is Non Issues since already 80% covered Let's see how 2nd 5G works Maxis now expanding their own fibre infrastructure many areas if they had own 5G Network it's good and cost saving for them.. CelcomDigi and Maxis already had good coverage compared Umobile and all are ready equipped with 5G ready infra so it's really easy to them to rollout 5G faster than actual DNB.. I'm not happy with UM 🤞 |
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Nov 3 2024, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 3 2024, 09:53 PM) https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ond-5g-network/ They not happy with it. Plot twist 😁 Maxis going to meet with the authority on why they failed Maxis been always stubborn during initial 5G launch CelcomDigi has been always supportive to Government but has fail OfficiallyAhmad liked this post
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Nov 4 2024, 01:52 PM
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While seeing social media after 2nd 5G announcement,
Consumers are way smarter than actual MCMC and Ministry itself 😂 Seems Govt thinks people and traders are idiots easily can be fool them. Still no answer about why telco who had almost 50% of share with Singapore gets approval than homegrown networks |
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Nov 10 2024, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 10 2024, 12:50 PM) Updates: Foreign shareholder haven't been reduced why open mouth like shit??U Mobile took out 1 full page of Ads in major newspaper on the awards of second 5G license... Main points: 1. No tax payer $$$ involved. U Mobile solely committed to build the second network 2. Can offer cheaper option than currently 3. Attacks on Muhyiddin administration for Single Network solution (DNB) which is failure in others countries 4. The awards of second 5G license not solely because of Sultan Johor / Agong involvement as shareholders 5. U Mobile committed to have only 20% foreign shareholding vs Telnors 33% in CelcomDigi Also my guess is MCMC and Govt will forced Maxis and CelcomDigi to takeover DNB to roll out 5G I guess after 80% 5G coverage roll up it's been slowed I guess mostly due to financial issue... After took up they might change ZTE to Huawei.. UMobile will roll out separate 5G coverage for their network only.. CelcomDigi and Maxis not ready to work with them . |
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Nov 10 2024, 05:22 PM
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Nov 10 2024, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 10 2024, 04:29 PM) . Maxis are works in major places in Klang and Ipoh to build own HSBB Where TM already exist In comparison, the TM HSBB Fibre network monopoly in Semenanjung costs "only" RM13.1 billion in it's deployment from 2008 to 2025. ....... https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/tm-inks...premises-target - TM inks agreement to deploy HSBB to more than the initial 1.3 million premises target - 7 March 2017 .... On Sept 2008, TM accepted a letter of award from the government to roll out HSBB infrastructure over a period of 10 years. The project involved an investment of RM8.9 billion from TM and RM2.4 billion from the government. The aim was to provide HSBB network access to over 1.3 million premises by 2012. Phase one of the HSBB covers the inner Klang Valley, all key economic and industrial zones throughout the country, the Iskandar Malaysia Region, and all public and private institutions of higher education within the rollout areas. Phase two, which is also a 10-year project that began in Dec 2015, encompasses the deployment of additional access and core capacity covering state capitals and selected major towns throughout the country, and aims to cover 390,000 premises by the end of this year. Total cost for HSBB 2 is RM1.8 billion; the government would put up RM500 million, while TM would bear the remaining RM1.3 billion. ... Maybe the Madani government should also allow a HSBB2 Fibre network because TM Unifi Fibre plan prices are quite high, eg higher compared to neighboring countries like Thailand and Singapore, eg allow TNB or Maxis to expand it's existing Fibre network to become HSBB2. . |
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Nov 10 2024, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Nov 10 2024, 07:44 PM) Let's see what this gomen is doing!!After announcement of winner both big giant tak puas hati with Govt and MCMC. We need to wait until U Mobile withdraw stack from DNB and awarding spectrum to build 2nd 5G network MCMC remains silent about to explain about criteria to choose |
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Nov 18 2024, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 18 2024, 11:12 PM) U Mobile's 5G deal: The inside story you may not have heard Owh understand MCMC Chairman is giving his favorite company also he part of it.https://newswav.com/article/u-mobile-s-5g-d...rd-A2411_BAsSDh Boo Madani MCMC government |
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Dec 2 2024, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Dec 2 2024, 12:15 PM) I would say Madani handled this 5G fiasco poorly 80% from Dec 2023 to 82% Dec 2024 you will understand how DNB now works ...The original idea of this SWN is that all telco will subscribe to it hence all the payments will distribute evenly among telcos and the funds received will pay for the investments. In the end no loss will be made. Madani should have just control on the pricing model of DNB if price complaint is an issue. But nope, insists on no monopoly konon and go for this stupid 2nd 5G idea. Now insists no 2nd 5G network as long as not get back enough money to pay the debt of DNB. At this rate, there will be no 2nd 5G network in the foreseeable future I tell you. Madani forced telco to take stake by offering 2nd 5G network deal similar to giving ice cream to children.. after MCMC announcement 2nd 5G to UM no news at all. My area and another area near botanic klang 5G Tower install on during May 2024 timeframe until now about we enter 2025 there's no operation of it. I saw only on weekend Saturday rarely some from DNB( Saw vehicles and uniform) installing equipment inside. Previously not a case after get approval they work it around 2 months. Seems DNB struggling financially due Govt rushed them to reach 80% in a year |
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Dec 2 2024, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Dec 2 2024, 05:07 PM) Again I say this, money not drop from the sky unfortunately. Yup this that's why Celcom Digi got married they understand telco industry won't be same as before.One thing that almost everyone not realized is that, with everything increase in cost, telco industry is the only few industries that not only cannot increase the price along with the cost, but need to go the other way around and reduce the price while absorbing the costs. Well, we can only see how this will goes. |
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