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post Nov 5 2024, 11:53 AM

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Aiyo, why VT from UMobile again? Last time KL monorail project failed and bailed out by government. I guess gomen never learned the lesson.
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post Nov 5 2024, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 4 2024, 05:43 PM)
2nd network should not be existed since day 1, all telco requested for 2nd due to they want to earn 100% of it. But i tot all telco know that the award will go to 1 telco only, why they feel like all of them will get the award?

During 3G license, umobile and time.com has smaller and no experience on mobile network but they won the license also.

Now maxis feel the Digi at 2008 time. Just they too confident that they will win...
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DNB fail to convince us why second network should not exist. What they do to fix congestion in some area? How they solve indoor coverage?
If DNB can charge telcos very competitive rate that even second network cannot possibly do, then it is true that 2nd network should not exist. Although DNB do have it pros where 5G is available uniformly and in some rural area, being a single network without competing means whatever condition/charge, telco have no choice.

This post has been edited by YoungMan: Nov 5 2024, 07:36 PM
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post Nov 7 2024, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Nov 5 2024, 07:35 PM)
DNB fail to convince us why second network should not exist. What they do to fix congestion in some area? How they solve indoor coverage?
If DNB can charge telcos very competitive rate that even second network cannot possibly do, then it is true that 2nd network should not exist. Although DNB do have it pros where 5G is available uniformly and in some rural area, being a single network without competing means whatever condition/charge, telco have no choice.
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Congestion area - DNB wants to use 2nd 100mhz awarded by gov but complaint by all telco. They claimed the 2nd 100mhz is for 2nd 5G network... In this case who to blame?

Inbuilding - y telco can fast deploy 5g for inbuilding is they will reuse 4g spectrum for 5g use... It will cause 4G congestion as 4g spectrum will be reduced. But it is fact that DNB cant deploy 5G in inbuilding due to exsiting network only support 900-2600mhz antenna. Huge cost required for 5g inbuilding, or u can consider build a new one.

I no comment for the rate, but 8k sites with no hassle on theft, TNB, gov/local approval, rental but only paid 30k per gbps is a huge amount or no. But if 2nd and 3rd network kick in, the only benefit will be only site owner, vendor but 10000% is not consumer.
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post Nov 8 2024, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 7 2024, 01:04 PM)
Congestion area - DNB wants to use 2nd 100mhz awarded by gov but complaint by all telco. They claimed the 2nd 100mhz is for 2nd 5G network... In this case who to blame?

Inbuilding - y telco can fast deploy 5g for inbuilding is they will reuse 4g spectrum for 5g use... It will cause 4G congestion as 4g spectrum will be reduced. But it is fact that DNB cant deploy 5G in inbuilding due to exsiting network only support 900-2600mhz antenna. Huge cost required for 5g inbuilding, or u can consider build a new one.

I no comment for the rate, but 8k sites with no hassle on theft, TNB, gov/local approval, rental but only paid 30k per gbps is a huge amount or no. But if 2nd and 3rd network kick in, the only benefit will be only site owner, vendor but 10000% is not consumer.
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That is the reason there why 5G shall be deployed by a 4G telco not a nobody new company. Mobile tech is a transitional tech means needs past tech to help new tech + work together. If telco build 5G they would leverage on their 4G spectrum to complement 5G for inbuilding and capacity expansion.

Gov is naive to think 5G can handle by new company typical mindset for people that dont understand + too ego to listen to the industry when making decision.

Now DNB stuck with only 5G and no more expansion option. While telco pushing their customers to 5G, DNB will not able to guarantee their speed.

Confirm need to be bailed out …

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post Nov 8 2024, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 7 2024, 01:04 PM)
Congestion area - DNB wants to use 2nd 100mhz awarded by gov but complaint by all telco. They claimed the 2nd 100mhz is for 2nd 5G network... In this case who to blame?

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Your sos please.

AFAIK, DNB1 is using all the allotted 200MHz (= 4Gbps bandwidth) mid-band frequency, ie from 3410MHz to 3511MHz.
....... Most of the 5 celcos are paying DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year to access 1,000 5G cell towers at 1Gbps.

MCMC can allocate any frequencies between 3.3GHz to 3.8GHz to DNB2 for 5G mid-band. .......

https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/ar...bands-5g-world/ - 5G spectrum bands explained
— low, mid and high band
Everything you need to know about 5G spectrum, millimeter-wave tech, auctions, and what the right spectrum means to you.

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post Nov 8 2024, 02:23 PM

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Who knows maybe one of the big telco might buy over 30% of U Mobile from Singapore company..
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 8 2024, 02:14 PM)
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Your sos please.

AFAIK, DNB1 is using all the allotted 200MHz (= 4Gbps bandwidth) mid-band frequency, ie from 3410MHz to 3511MHz.
....... Most of the 5 celcos are paying DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year to access 1,000 5G cell towers at 1Gbps.

MCMC can allocate any frequencies between 3.3GHz to 3.8GHz to DNB2 for 5G mid-band. .......

https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/ar...bands-5g-world/ - 5G spectrum bands explained
— low, mid and high band
Everything you need to know about 5G spectrum, millimeter-wave tech, auctions, and what the right spectrum means to you.

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per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access ??? I tot all news saying for whole bandwidth?


https://www.digital-nasional.com.my/sites/d...fer_Version.pdf


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post Nov 8 2024, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 8 2024, 04:03 PM)
per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access ??? I tot all news saying for whole bandwidth?
https://www.digital-nasional.com.my/sites/d...fer_Version.pdf
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No need to entertain that sohai la, pure wasting time and bandwidth only
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post Nov 8 2024, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 4 2024, 10:35 PM)
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Fyi, .......

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.... According to Digital Nasional Berhad’s Reference Access Offer (RAO), telcos will have to pay RM30,000 per Gbps per month to access the national 5G network. ...
https://soyacincau.com/2023/08/24/customers...-dnbs-response/ - 2023/08/24

= celcos have chosen to pay DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access.

Is this a reasonable or fair price.? .......

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...st-implication/ - 2023/05/05 - second-5g-network-sparks-debate-on-ownership-cost-implication
.... In 2022, DNB announced that the SWN model would cost telco operators RM30,000 per Gbps (gigabit per second) a month (or 13 sen per GB) on 5G leasing charges.

Assuming a take-up rate of 1,000Gbps, this would ultimately cost the telcos a whopping RM360 million a year to provide 5G to consumers.

This comes on top of fixed upfront fees, which must be paid regardless of DNB’s progress with population coverage. ...

= Maxis is paying the RM360 million per year while other celcos are paying RM288 million per year (= access fewer 5G cell towers than Maxis)
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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...dustry-veteran/ - DNB’s proposed 5G rates for telcos ‘quite expensive’, says industry veteran
Robin Augustin - 06 May 2022, 08:15 AM

Ex-Jaring CEO Mohamed Awang Lah says it could discourage buy-in from telecommunications companies.

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DNB2 or U Mobile may be a cost saviour for the other celcos.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110727418


QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 8 2024, 02:14 PM)
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Your sos please.

AFAIK, DNB1 is using all the allotted 200MHz (= 4Gbps bandwidth) mid-band frequency, ie from 3410MHz to 3511MHz.
....... Most of the 5 celcos are paying DNB1 RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year to access 1,000 5G cell towers at 1Gbps.

MCMC can allocate any frequencies between 3.3GHz to 3.8GHz to DNB2 for 5G mid-band. .......

https://www.nokia.com/thought-leadership/ar...bands-5g-world/ - 5G spectrum bands explained
— low, mid and high band
Everything you need to know about 5G spectrum, millimeter-wave tech, auctions, and what the right spectrum means to you.

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 8 2024, 04:03 PM)
per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access ??? I tot all news saying for whole bandwidth?
https://www.digital-nasional.com.my/sites/d...fer_Version.pdf
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My repost above fyi.
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post Nov 10 2024, 12:50 PM

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Updates:

U Mobile took out 1 full page of Ads in major newspaper on the awards of second 5G license...

Main points:

1. No tax payer $$$ involved. U Mobile solely committed to build the second network

2. Can offer cheaper option than currently

3. Attacks on Muhyiddin administration for Single Network solution (DNB) which is failure in others countries

4. The awards of second 5G license not solely because of Sultan Johor / Agong involvement as shareholders

5. U Mobile committed to have only 20% foreign shareholding vs Telnors 33% in CelcomDigi
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 10 2024, 12:50 PM)
Updates:

U Mobile took out 1 full page of Ads in major newspaper on the awards of second 5G license...

Main points:

1. No tax payer $$$ involved. U Mobile solely committed to build the second network

2. Can offer cheaper option than currently

3. Attacks on Muhyiddin administration for Single Network solution (DNB) which is failure in others countries

4. The awards of second 5G license not solely because of Sultan Johor / Agong involvement as shareholders

5. U Mobile committed to have only 20% foreign shareholding vs Telnors 33% in CelcomDigi
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Foreign shareholder haven't been reduced why open mouth like shit??

Also my guess is MCMC and Govt will forced Maxis and CelcomDigi to takeover DNB to roll out 5G I guess after 80% 5G coverage roll up it's been slowed I guess mostly due to financial issue...
After took up they might change ZTE to Huawei..

UMobile will roll out separate 5G coverage for their network only.. CelcomDigi and Maxis not ready to work with them .
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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 10 2024, 01:08 PM)
Foreign shareholder haven't been reduced why open mouth like shit??

Also my guess is MCMC and Govt will forced Maxis and CelcomDigi to takeover DNB to roll out 5G I guess after 80% 5G coverage roll up it's been slowed I guess mostly due to financial issue...
After took up they might change ZTE to Huawei..

UMobile will roll out separate 5G coverage for their network only.. CelcomDigi and Maxis not ready to work with them .
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Need to justify the awards & to stop people from saying foreign countries "control" of the license 😔

Someone surely need to lead & take over DNB.... Either one CD or Maxis...
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Latest news update:

https://www.lowyat.net/2024/337102/u-mobile...t-of-ownership/ - U Mobile Announces Strategic Alignment Of Ownership; Gears Up For Second 5G Network
Its chairman, Vincent Tan, also defended the telco's selection and criticised the 5G implementation introduced under the Muhyiddin administration.
BY HEIRUL KAMEL NOVEMBER 10, 2024


https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...monopoly/156366 - 2024/11/10 - u-mobile-chairman-tan-sri-vincent-tan-assures-malaysians-of-companys-local-control-and-commitment-to-break-5g-monopoly
U Mobile chairman Tan Sri Vincent Tan said U Mobile operates with a significant record of accomplishment, highlighting its RM3.5 billion revenue in 2023, a net profit of RM102 million, and total assets valued at RM6.2 billion.


Let's wait-and-see who will end up owning DNB1 that has a total spending or private debts of .......

.... DNB’s roll-out, estimated to cost Malaysian taxpayers just over RM16.5 billion (US$3.44 billion), ...
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malays...-berhad-4271661 - Malaysia’s billion-dollar 5G roll-out stumbles as deal breaks down between powerful telcos, state-owned operator - 19 April 2024
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 10 2024, 02:37 PM)
Need to justify the awards & to stop people from saying foreign countries "control" of the license 😔

Someone surely need to lead & take over DNB.... Either one CD or Maxis...
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why not both ?
celcom - digi - maxis are friends
sharing tower mostly rural area
urban area some maxis good, some cd good
sharing network MOCN tower
sharing fiber backhaul

so DNB1 : celcomdigi-maxis-ytl team

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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 10 2024, 03:16 PM)
why not both ?
celcom - digi - maxis are friends
sharing tower mostly rural area
urban area some maxis good, some cd good
sharing network MOCN tower
sharing fiber backhaul

so DNB1 : celcomdigi-maxis-ytl team
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As for now, it's anyone guess who gonna JV with whom...

Many speculation going on....


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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 10 2024, 01:08 PM)
Foreign shareholder haven't been reduced why open mouth like shit??

Also my guess is MCMC and Govt will forced Maxis and CelcomDigi to takeover DNB to roll out 5G I guess after 80% 5G coverage roll up it's been slowed I guess mostly due to financial issue...
After took up they might change ZTE to Huawei..

UMobile will roll out separate 5G coverage for their network only.. CelcomDigi and Maxis not ready to work with them .
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ZTE to Huawei is not like you change a CPU only. That's whole sets of equipment need to change, most of the equipment is not interchangeable.
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Let's wait-and-see who will end up owning DNB1 that has a total spending or private debts of .......

.... DNB’s roll-out, estimated to cost Malaysian taxpayers just over RM16.5 billion (US$3.44 billion), ...
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malays...-berhad-4271661 - Malaysia’s billion-dollar 5G roll-out stumbles as deal breaks down between powerful telcos, state-owned operator - 19 April 2024
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In comparison, the TM HSBB Fibre network monopoly in Semenanjung costs "only" RM13.1 billion in it's deployment from 2008 to 2025. .......

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/tm-inks...premises-target - TM inks agreement to deploy HSBB to more than the initial 1.3 million premises target - 7 March 2017
.... On Sept 2008, TM accepted a letter of award from the government to roll out HSBB infrastructure over a period of 10 years.

The project involved an investment of RM8.9 billion from TM and RM2.4 billion from the government. The aim was to provide HSBB network access to over 1.3 million premises by 2012.

Phase one of the HSBB covers the inner Klang Valley, all key economic and industrial zones throughout the country, the Iskandar Malaysia Region, and all public and private institutions of higher education within the rollout areas.

Phase two, which is also a 10-year project that began in Dec 2015, encompasses the deployment of additional access and core capacity covering state capitals and selected major towns throughout the country, and aims to cover 390,000 premises by the end of this year.

Total cost for HSBB 2 is RM1.8 billion; the government would put up RM500 million, while TM would bear the remaining RM1.3 billion. ...


Maybe the Madani government should also allow a HSBB2 Fibre network because TM Unifi Fibre plan prices are quite high, eg higher compared to neighboring countries like Thailand and Singapore, eg allow TNB or Maxis to expand it's existing Fibre network to become HSBB2.
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QUOTE(poh880 @ Nov 10 2024, 04:03 PM)
ZTE to Huawei is not like you change a CPU only. That's whole sets of equipment need to change, most of the equipment is not interchangeable.
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They might use Huawei afterwards existing keep running on Ericsson. As per expertise Huawei infra way cheaper cost
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 10 2024, 04:29 PM)
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In comparison, the TM HSBB Fibre network monopoly in Semenanjung costs "only" RM13.1 billion in it's deployment from 2008 to 2025. .......

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/tm-inks...premises-target - TM inks agreement to deploy HSBB to more than the initial 1.3 million premises target - 7 March 2017
.... On Sept 2008, TM accepted a letter of award from the government to roll out HSBB infrastructure over a period of 10 years.

The project involved an investment of RM8.9 billion from TM and RM2.4 billion from the government. The aim was to provide HSBB network access to over 1.3 million premises by 2012.

Phase one of the HSBB covers the inner Klang Valley, all key economic and industrial zones throughout the country, the Iskandar Malaysia Region, and all public and private institutions of higher education within the rollout areas.

Phase two, which is also a 10-year project that began in Dec 2015, encompasses the deployment of additional access and core capacity covering state capitals and selected major towns throughout the country, and aims to cover 390,000 premises by the end of this year.

Total cost for HSBB 2 is RM1.8 billion; the government would put up RM500 million, while TM would bear the remaining RM1.3 billion. ...


Maybe the Madani government should also allow a HSBB2 Fibre network because TM Unifi Fibre plan prices are quite high, eg higher  compared to neighboring countries like Thailand and Singapore, eg allow TNB or Maxis to expand it's existing Fibre network to become HSBB2.
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Maxis are works in major places in Klang and Ipoh to build own HSBB Where TM already exist

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Seriously I don't understand some people...

Want to reply & answer post...

But go copy & paste the whole article....

Just give important link enough lorh...

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