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 DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?

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post Nov 3 2024, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 3 2024, 02:16 PM)
5G Second Network: CelcomDigi considering several options at hand, no impact to current 5G customers

We note the Government’s announcement on the selection of the mobile network operator that will implement Malaysia’s second 5G network. 

We believe we have presented a compelling technical and commercial proposal to build the second 5G network, leveraging on our financial standing and track record of investing in and deploying large-scale mobile networks, and delivering affordable, high-quality services to the rakyat.

This included the ability to commence nationwide rollout almost immediately after spectrum award, to build a 5G network that will match the population coverage of our 4G and 4G+ network within the shortest time possible.

Our priority remains to ensure that our customers have affordable access to a competitive, robust, and efficient 5G network. We will discuss with various stakeholders to consider several viable options ahead of us, to the benefit of our customers and shareholders. 

In the meantime, we continue to focus on merger integration to realise savings and synergy targets and continue delivering the best possible experience to our customers. Our network integration is now 68% complete and 65% of our customers benefit from improved experience on the new CelcomDigi intelligent network, ahead of schedule. 

The announcement will have no impact on CelcomDigi’s 5G customers, and all consumer and enterprise customers with 5G devices will be able to continue accessing and enjoying 5G services as usual - all day, every day. We will continue delivering the best choice and value in connectivity services and the best customer experience for Malaysian consumers and enterprises through our network, products and services and digital platforms.

CelcomDigi remains committed to the sustainability of the industry and to drive the nation’s transformation into a 5G-AI powered digital society.
https://corporate.celcomdigi.com/news/5g-se...nt-5g-customers
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It makes no sense a dominance telco to work and listen to a smaller rival

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post Nov 3 2024, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 3 2024, 02:18 PM)
Why CelcomDigi prefers to lead second 5G network
22 Oct 2024,

Idham says CelcomDigi does not only have a Plan B but also a Plan C and Plan D, should it lose the bid for the second 5G network.

He notes that not having control of the 5G spectrum and network slows down the delivery of “mission-critical” enterprise services to its customers.

Would CelcomDigi integrate DNB’s network infrastructure with its network if it fails to win the bid for the second 5G network?

“There are many options for us. It depends on the situation. We can do that. We can decide to be an access seeker, that is, continue. We can have access from the second network,” Idham says.

Does that mean CelcomDigi will also choose to exit DNB even if it does not win the bid for the second 5G network?

“Hopefully, it doesn’t come to that … There’ll be equalisation; whoever takes Entity B will start on a level playing field. So, if we go into Entity B, for example, we make sure that we are at the level. We are committed.”

This article first appeared in The Edge Malaysia Weekly on October 14, 2024 - October 20, 2024

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/730235
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Well done MCMC and the government to further slow the 5G adoptions in Malaysia for favouring a smaller rival that have link to the monarch in the south and enriching Singapore
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post Nov 3 2024, 04:08 PM

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I expect DNB2's U Mobile will be able to offer cheapest 5G plans than DNB1 and other celcos.

CelcomDigi, Maxis and YES are likely between a rock and a hard place, ie in choosing between DNB1 or DNB2. TM Unifi Mobile is less affected because TM has leverage in DNB's 5G backhaul connection to TM HSBB Fibre network.
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post Nov 3 2024, 06:38 PM

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Personally it's make No sense CelcomDigi to joined DNB2 with U Mobile leading it...

They actually want the leader... Not follower...

I think They just use the current DNB1 because it's already Matured one. Just needed to expand it's capacity little more... Coverage is Non Issues since already 80% covered
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Nov 3 2024, 06:38 PM)
Personally it's make No sense CelcomDigi to joined DNB2 with U Mobile leading it...

They actually want the leader... Not follower...

I think They just use the current DNB1 because it's already Matured one. Just needed to expand it's capacity little more... Coverage is Non Issues since already 80% covered
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Maybe then they will also consider acquiring U Mobile, to "monopolise" and lead the whole 2nd 5g. Many things can happen, plan b, c, d, etc.
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Nov 3 2024, 06:38 PM)
Personally it's make No sense CelcomDigi to joined DNB2 with U Mobile leading it...

They actually want the leader... Not follower...

I think They just use the current DNB1 because it's already Matured one. Just needed to expand it's capacity little more... Coverage is Non Issues since already 80% covered
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Both Maxis and CD are biggest telco giant...
Let's see how 2nd 5G works Maxis now expanding their own fibre infrastructure many areas if they had own 5G Network it's good and cost saving for them..

CelcomDigi and Maxis already had good coverage compared Umobile and all are ready equipped with 5G ready infra so it's really easy to them to rollout 5G faster than actual DNB..

I'm not happy with UM 🤞

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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 3 2024, 07:39 PM)
Both Maxis and CD are biggest telco giant...
Let's see how 2nd 5G works Maxis now expanding their own fibre infrastructure many areas if they had own 5G Network it's good and cost saving for them..

CelcomDigi and Maxis already had good coverage compared Umobile and all are ready equipped with 5G ready infra so it's really easy to them to rollout 5G faster than actual DNB..

I'm not happy with UM 🤞
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Maxis still have a long way to go in terms of fibre expansion.
Actually if both CelcomDigi and Maxis partner up to take the remaining shares from MOF and U Mobile, they can work to improve on the 80% coverage as well as look into issue of indoor 5G. Both have to forget about their China vendor though, to work on existing ecosystem by Ericsson
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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ond-5g-network/

Plot twist 😁
Maxis going to meet with the authority on why they failed
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 3 2024, 09:53 PM)
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ond-5g-network/

Plot twist 😁
Maxis going to meet with the authority on why they failed
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They not happy with it.
Maxis been always stubborn during initial 5G launch
CelcomDigi has been always supportive to Government but has fail
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post Nov 3 2024, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 3 2024, 11:25 PM)
They not happy with it.
Maxis been always stubborn during initial 5G launch
CelcomDigi has been always supportive to Government but has fail
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Rubbish.. None of the network providers were supportive to DNB SWN ... Even the taxpayers too

The award of the second 5G was more like in favour of certain parties in the south.

This post has been edited by LuckyBai: Nov 3 2024, 11:29 PM
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post Nov 4 2024, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 3 2024, 11:25 PM)
They not happy with it.
Maxis been always stubborn during initial 5G launch
CelcomDigi has been always supportive to Government but has fail
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Not really... If government-build infra become the norm for 5G, 6G, 7G and all the G's to come, then all telcos will have no control once their 4g is obsolete. Maybe the only telco support DNB is YTL.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 3 2024, 09:53 PM)
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ond-5g-network/

Plot twist 😁
Maxis going to meet with the authority on why they failed
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keputusan hakim adalah muktamad.........just like any other contest
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post Nov 4 2024, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(JasonthegreatTWO @ Nov 4 2024, 08:54 AM)
keputusan hakim adalah muktamad.........just like any other contest
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This meeting is just to get know what went wrong...

The award gien cannot be cancelled... Everyone knows that...

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While seeing social media after 2nd 5G announcement,
Consumers are way smarter than actual MCMC and Ministry itself 😂

Seems Govt thinks people and traders are idiots easily can be fool them.
Still no answer about why telco who had almost 50% of share with Singapore gets approval than homegrown networks
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post Nov 4 2024, 01:55 PM

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Abolish DNB je la

It's a songlap product by moo moo
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post Nov 4 2024, 05:43 PM

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2nd network should not be existed since day 1, all telco requested for 2nd due to they want to earn 100% of it. But i tot all telco know that the award will go to 1 telco only, why they feel like all of them will get the award?

During 3G license, umobile and time.com has smaller and no experience on mobile network but they won the license also.

Now maxis feel the Digi at 2008 time. Just they too confident that they will win...
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Fun fact, aside from indoor coverage, U Mobile B7 2600MHz coverage is way less prevalent than DNB n78 3500MHz.

Literally we have more 5G coverage than U Mobile B7. and not to say about how less common is the deployment of higher specs antenna compare to CelcomDigi and Maxis
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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 4 2024, 05:43 PM)
2nd network should not be existed since day 1, all telco requested for 2nd due to they want to earn 100% of it. But i tot all telco know that the award will go to 1 telco only, why they feel like all of them will get the award?

During 3G license, umobile and time.com has smaller and no experience on mobile network but they won the license also.

Now maxis feel the Digi at 2008 time. Just they too confident that they will win...
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Nov 4 2024, 06:40 PM)
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.... According to Digital Nasional Berhad’s Reference Access Offer (RAO), telcos will have to pay RM30,000 per Gbps per month to access the national 5G network. ...
https://soyacincau.com/2023/08/24/customers...-dnbs-response/ - 2023/08/24

= celcos are each paying DNB RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps for 5G access, eg Maxis is paying RM320 million per year and the other celcos are paying RM288 million per year (= access fewer cell towers than Maxis). This payment is besides the huge upfront fee for 5G access.
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Because DNB2 would have likely charge other celcos lower RAO fees to access it's 5G network.

In this case, once U Mobile's DNB2 has been set up with >50% coverage, U Mobile will likely charge other celcos much lower than RM30k per month per cell tower for 1Gbps of 5G access because the costs to set up DNB2 will be much lower compared to DNB1 (= RM12 billion in debt.?).
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post Nov 5 2024, 09:35 AM

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Once DNB2 has been sufficiently built-up, do the telcos have to choose either or they can use both wholesale networks for 5G?
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 5 2024, 09:35 AM)
Once DNB2 has been sufficiently built-up, do the telcos have to choose either or they can use both wholesale networks for 5G?
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It's all depends on the access fee offered...

Telco would go to whichever gives the cheapest...

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