I myself love all the various different translations of our Holy Bible.

Some people can't understand what are translations.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Feb 9 2023, 06:58 PM

Here is my problem, even with all the various different translations, I still cannot find the translations in contradiction of each other. Maybe I am too dumb. 🙂

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2023, 06:50 PM

Yeah. Some like to see the fault in the trees and missing the forest.
i guess they have an agenda. If i dare say that.
All notable versions have the same message of the divine Messiah known as Jesus.

The modus operandi is to deny the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Once that is achieved, everything else is a piece of cake. Since the millstone is already around their neck, it makes no difference to them. Might as well grab others while on their way down.

Seriously, what point do you want to prove here?
Have you done any deep research yourself regarding on your questions?

Regardless of what version of translations, the most important thing is to understand the context, understand the message, and the meaning behind it.

Various translation are available to help people to understand the message and the context of the message.
Even to understand the scriptures will take efforts and time.
Starts with KJV, and if you don't understand, refer to others translation, then go back to KJV and so on.

Start with a prayer to God for understanding and guidance with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Then only everything will fall in to the right places and we'll begin to understand the true message which has been revealed to us through the Holy Spirit of Truth.
All take time and efforts.
Do your research first. If you don't know how or where to start, then ask.
Once you done this, then make your own conclusion.
God gave us "free will" to make own decision, your choice so make a wise one.

Else why Jesus speaks in parables most of the time? - Matt 13:13
John 10:27-28

Through parables, Jesus can communicate with the people who are ready to listen.
God's words are precious and only available to those who wants to sincerely know and seek of Him.

If you're trying to turn conversations into debates, and to win debates, you're wasting your time and other people's time.

"A good story doesn’t mean that everyone will understand."

See prove my point again.
And yes, I am posting as someone from a third party.

You even got the reason as to why Jesus communicate with Parables wrong. So why should I even bother?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Where did it indicate what you just said
"Through parables, Jesus can communicate with the people who are ready to listen.
God's words are precious and only available to those who wants to sincerely know and seek of Him."
Can you please explain in the context of this passage or you are just talking nonsense?


You just added to what Jesus has said. No wonder you do not understand. I mean how can you understand when you keep on adding your own context to the passage?

Funny also that you say start from the KJV and then if you do not understand go to the other version. This is your attitude when it comes to the Truth huh.

Of course, after this. You are just going to run to others for protection like the others. Expected.

It's always easy to attack the individual as a "gang" just like what the real Jesus experienced.


Also I want to add what someone said
"So what if they think Jesus has blue eyes? Will that bring them to hell? I dont know."

When the discussion was never about this context. It's just amazing how far one can go. No wonder people do not take Christianity seriously.
I mean there is a reason why I was asking about the Jesus of Free Mason, or the Jesus of Islam or the Jesus of Seven Day Adventist. It's not to discuss about Jesus physical appearance especially His eyes.

It really says a lot.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: Feb 9 2023, 08:08 PM

How to know if the bible is really the word of God? It's like asking how to know if the best nasi kandar is from penang? Or which is the best song? Or the best movie? One can talk and debate in great length about these, of all the possible and different parts and pieces that goes into making a great dish, song or movie but all that will never yield a conclusion until you eat the dish, hear the song or watch the movie.
So too with God's Word. Until you are willing to hear, consider and respond in an honest way to it you will never come to know its authencity. The issue is not whether the versions of the bible are flawless. Rather the issue with man spiritual condition and one being darkness and in need of illumination. Even if God decided to superficially provide humanity with a flawless copy of his word it would not guarantee that every one would understand it correctly or even believe in it. What prevents this is simply term the sinful nature of man. Fallen humanity needs more that a typo error free book of religion. He needs light to overcome the darkness that is in him. Only a work of grace upon the heart of a sinner can bring about illumination and knowledge of the truth. Jesus said " I am the light of the world, he who follows me shall not walk in darkness but have the light of life". Again the apostle John says of Christ "this is the true light that illuminates every man coming into this world".
For other than by the grace of God, a person trying to discover who God is can best be described as a man born blind attempting to describe the nature and character of sunlight to a world full of similar blind people. To such a one I would appeal,.... Allow Jesus to give you sight that you might see that kingdom of God.
Without Christ we would not know God. Without the Bible we could not know about Christ what more to follow him?
Thus you can't never know the Bible to be from God until you are willing to first consider it. And if after considering it you still could not believe that it is truly God's word..... than I really feel sorry for you, that you could not attain unto the faith that millions were able to come to. And what remains to be said, I do hope you find rest and peace for your soul in your ongoing journey. Shalom

This post has been edited by SharpSword: Feb 10 2023, 05:14 AM

I'm not sure what's your point tbh?
You're not being clear about it. Just straight to the point. I can't read your thoughts.

And let me clear here about having different version of translation; it is a method of "reference" to help me to understand words by words and the meaning of words/scriptures.
Nothing funny. I'm just sharing one of my methods of reading the Bible. Different people, different way of study/learn.

"You even got the reason as to why Jesus communicate with Parables wrong. So why should I even bother?"
Please read my post again and tell me what are the "wrong" part you're talking about?
I've included the Bible verse and I've linked it as well.
All you have to do is just click it and read to understand.

To sum it up, if you don't understand and have no intention to even try to understand what's being communicated to you, you don't and will not understand.
Plain simple, no nonsense at all.

So why are you here at the first place if you're already harden your heart?
If you're trying to troll around, you're really wasting your time and other people's time, and wasting post.

Of course, after this. You are just going to run to others for protection like the others. Expected.
Protection from what?
The only protection I have is from my Father in Heaven.

Anyway, I've no intention of "gang up" anyone here, I have better things to do.
I'm new to the thread and I'm here to learn from others about their sharing and thoughts, that's all.
I have a long way to go.

So you can keep your assumption to yourself.
I don't know you, you don't know me. Let's keep it that way. Easy.

If you have any traumas or bad experiences, share it here. It's a forum.
If you get help from others, be grateful, else just chill and move on.

No wonder people do not take Christianity seriously.
I do take it very seriously. Do you?

"A good story doesn’t mean that everyone will understand."

Ayam smells penguins reincarnated here.


This gonna be good.

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Feb 9 2023, 09:49 PM

It's funny you wrote everything without tagging me.

Oh well

Aahhhh.

Chill lah

In the end. Someone there is no different from the Catholics.

This is the POV from Christian perspective. Sin is wrong. What rapist do are wrong. Loving them doesn't mean allowing them to continue to do evil.

It would not be love to kindly allow them to do wrong against others.

People have this misconception about loving enemies in this context.

*eat popcorn
lol

You know guys, just a reminder.

We are called to be at peace with everyone whenever possible. Don't get riled up if someone has a differing opinion against yours.

Doesn't matter if that person is a Christian, Atheist, whoever it is.

You already know your own faith in The Lord, let it not be shaken because you know you have tasted the Lord and He is Good. If the person don't agree with your POV, let it be lah.

Your have your journey still, the other person his. Because there is a difference of level of understanding, at times opinions hard to reconcile to agreement.

We should not get into the mode of I'm right, you're wrong, I will argue until you see you are wrong. This is what the spiritual enemies want. Because it cause provocation, lack of peace, anger even. When you detect the works of enemy, you should stop.

You also know there is a blindness executed by the enemy, always remember this to help you understand, this hindrance is what is causing the conflict.

The only person who can change the opinion of people is God and God alone. He has that eternal strength & endurance, we don't. We get worn out.

Peace Ya'll.

sure got some triple-S around. Stir Shit Sticks
lol

The Bible is about Jesus Christ, Yes really!

Luke 24:27 (KJV) - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


When Christ said this, it was a journey on the Road to Emmaus. What is the significance? The people there knew, Christ has just died but they didn't recognize him resurrected.

They thought everything was lost, everything gone down the drain with that death. Everything they hope for, DIED. It's like you hope so much for a possible change of power in Govt but when the opposing faction won, your hope died.

Yes that feeling. The funny thing is, instead of revealing himself to the couple walking with Him so as to revive their hope, He rather expound on scripture.

Beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, YET they are all concerning Jesus Christ! Keep this in mind.

Now here is the key revelation. The couple said these word;

"Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?" Remember they didn't recognize who He was but their hearts was being lit as Scripture was being expounded to them concerning Christ. The hearts burning here refers to being ignited. It takes passion or interest to drive towards an objective. It's akin to getting excited filled with hope.

Rather than allowing that couple to see him physically, Christ wanted them to understand Him in scripture.

As we know the Old Testament talks about a lot of things, ceremonial laws, birth of Isaac, Exodus to read sea, etc. Really many things.

With that being said. If the couple could have their hearts burning through understanding of scripture, so can we today. And I believe the key focus is to discover Christ in scripture, doesn't matter if it's NT or OT. All of them is really about Christ anyway.

What is the significance of discovering Christ in scripture? The couple could vividly remember this about Christ in verse 19 "This Man....powerful in speech and action before God and all the people."

The word of God has power to change life and circumstances. The Word of God is Christ himself.....who has divine power to deliver and to give salvation in your life.

It is to your benefit, to read as much and to discover as much as possible and all that you can when you are going through some kind of valleys in your life. But remember look for Christ in God's word in your reading.

I can give you one example. The sacrifice of Issac on wood on the Altar...is a picture of Christ. When you begin to meditate on it, you'll realize how good God is. He doesn't want your sacrifice, He wants you to look to His Son for atonement of your sins. The moment you realize all your sins have been atoned for and that you are righteous by faith and then you remember the prayer of a righteous man avails much....You get the idea.

Hope this devotion helps you. God Bless.

For Christians, our source and guidance comes from the Holy Bible. Any other books, religious teacher or prophet that contradicts the Holy Bible, we will consider it false teachings.

For Christians, our core believes are,
- Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God.
- Christ is the Messiah and saviour of mankind as promised and foretold in the old testament.
- that Christ was crucified on the cross of Calvary and He arose on the third day. This demonstrates that Christ defeated death which until today no man or religious teacher has demonstrated.
- the many miracles that Christ have performed during His ministry on earth. Such as healing the sick, resurrecting the dead and many more.
- Believers must believe and apply the blood of Christ in order to gain forgiveness of sins.

Any other books or individuals that contradicts our core believes are considered false. Only through Jesus Christ alone you will gain eternal life in heaven as promised in the Holy Bible.

Believing in Moses freeing the Hebrews from slavery or Jesus as a good man and messenger of God is not enough. Our covenant is in the blood of the perfect lamb Jesus Christ. There is no other way to heaven except through the blood of Jesus Christ.

No other religion emphasize on the blood except Christianity. Other religion says you must do good to make it to heaven. Christianity is the opposite and claimed that no amount of good works will save you. You can give all your money to charity or donate one of your kidney to a person in need. Still you will end up in hell if you do not acknowledge that Christ is the Son of the living God and that He sheds His blood on the cross so that we can be saved.

Men think that as long as their good works is more than their bad, they will be able to enter heaven. This is very wrong thinking and teaching.

Imagine if a heart surgeon drive recklessly and cause the death of another person. He goes up to the judge and tells the judge to set him free as he has save many lives as a surgeon. The surgeon thinks that by saving many lives it is ok to take away just one life in return for his freedom. If the judge listen to the surgeon and sets him free, what is your opinion of the judge? Would you think highly of such judge?

God is the perfect judge. Every sin or crime committed, SOMEONE has to pay the price. The Bible teaches clearly that all have sin and fall short of the glory of God. This means no man is perfect and men CANNOT atone for their sins let alone the sins of the world. Only Jesus Christ being the perfect sacrifice can offer Himself to take the penalty for the sins of humanity.

It is very important to grasp the basic meaning of Christianity. If you apply the blood of Christ in your life than you are be safe. This is the promise that the Holy Bible gives. Only by faith in Christ. If you don't believe then you can continue doing charity and good works. At the end of your life, your work is NOT perfect in the eyes of God as no man is perfect. Only Christ is. You can tell God how much you have donated or many hours you spend in an orphanage home, but men will never be able to meet God's perfect standard.

But as Christians, we must change our ways once we embrace the teachings of Christ. This means to change from our past life and to a new life under Christ. If you do criminal activity to get rich then you should stop it completely. If you cheat your customer just to earn more money, then you should stop doing it. If you hate you boss before this and always thinking or hurting him then you should stop thinking about it. If you're an alcoholic before this then you should stop doing it.

Its not easy. That is why we must constantly read the Bible and seek the help of the Holy Spirit. Try to understand what is God's plan for us.