Feb 10 2023, 12:45 PM
QUOTE(BrookLes @ Feb 9 2023, 04:15 PM)
I think most people misunderstood my question. But I thought I was pretty clear when I used Islam as an example. I was not just talking about Islam per say.
I was not just talking about the Jesus that Muslims believes per say. I was also talking about the Jesus that Mormons, Jehovoh Witness, Hinduism even so called "Christian" churches believes.
So just a question. How do you even know that the Jesus that you believe in is real. How certain are you that when you "die", you will actually go into sleep until you are "called" up by God. How certain are you.
After all, from Bible Study that I had in the past, there is one verse that says that Salvation is almost impossible
"With men it is impossible, but not with God"
So what makes you so confident that you are saved just because you made one sinner's prayer before?
Because for most Christians, when they believe. Life still goes on. It's like "hey I make a confession". Then maybe they go to church for a short while but then they stop but they believe that they will go to heaven just because they once make a confession. But then there is nothing different from them compared to the non Christians. They cursed, they drink etc. So how come they are still confident if they die, they will be going to heaven. Or this confidence is just syok sendiri. That's all.
And the other thing. What makes you think that your bible is the word of God. After all, there are so many different versions. And those versions have differences as even many scholars will say. So how can you tell others that the bible that you are using is perfect when there are so many differences in the different versions.
Looking for a discussion.
For Christians, our source and guidance comes from the Holy Bible. Any other books, religious teacher or prophet that contradicts the Holy Bible, we will consider it false teachings. I was not just talking about the Jesus that Muslims believes per say. I was also talking about the Jesus that Mormons, Jehovoh Witness, Hinduism even so called "Christian" churches believes.
So just a question. How do you even know that the Jesus that you believe in is real. How certain are you that when you "die", you will actually go into sleep until you are "called" up by God. How certain are you.
After all, from Bible Study that I had in the past, there is one verse that says that Salvation is almost impossible
"With men it is impossible, but not with God"
So what makes you so confident that you are saved just because you made one sinner's prayer before?
Because for most Christians, when they believe. Life still goes on. It's like "hey I make a confession". Then maybe they go to church for a short while but then they stop but they believe that they will go to heaven just because they once make a confession. But then there is nothing different from them compared to the non Christians. They cursed, they drink etc. So how come they are still confident if they die, they will be going to heaven. Or this confidence is just syok sendiri. That's all.
And the other thing. What makes you think that your bible is the word of God. After all, there are so many different versions. And those versions have differences as even many scholars will say. So how can you tell others that the bible that you are using is perfect when there are so many differences in the different versions.
Looking for a discussion.
For Christians, our core believes are,
- Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God.
- Christ is the Messiah and saviour of mankind as promised and foretold in the old testament.
- that Christ was crucified on the cross of Calvary and He arose on the third day. This demonstrates that Christ defeated death which until today no man or religious teacher has demonstrated.
- the many miracles that Christ have performed during His ministry on earth. Such as healing the sick, resurrecting the dead and many more.
- Believers must believe and apply the blood of Christ in order to gain forgiveness of sins.
Any other books or individuals that contradicts our core believes are considered false. Only through Jesus Christ alone you will gain eternal life in heaven as promised in the Holy Bible.
Believing in Moses freeing the Hebrews from slavery or Jesus as a good man and messenger of God is not enough. Our covenant is in the blood of the perfect lamb Jesus Christ. There is no other way to heaven except through the blood of Jesus Christ.
No other religion emphasize on the blood except Christianity. Other religion says you must do good to make it to heaven. Christianity is the opposite and claimed that no amount of good works will save you. You can give all your money to charity or donate one of your kidney to a person in need. Still you will end up in hell if you do not acknowledge that Christ is the Son of the living God and that He sheds His blood on the cross so that we can be saved.
Men think that as long as their good works is more than their bad, they will be able to enter heaven. This is very wrong thinking and teaching.
Imagine if a heart surgeon drive recklessly and cause the death of another person. He goes up to the judge and tells the judge to set him free as he has save many lives as a surgeon. The surgeon thinks that by saving many lives it is ok to take away just one life in return for his freedom. If the judge listen to the surgeon and sets him free, what is your opinion of the judge? Would you think highly of such judge?
God is the perfect judge. Every sin or crime committed, SOMEONE has to pay the price. The Bible teaches clearly that all have sin and fall short of the glory of God. This means no man is perfect and men CANNOT atone for their sins let alone the sins of the world. Only Jesus Christ being the perfect sacrifice can offer Himself to take the penalty for the sins of humanity.
It is very important to grasp the basic meaning of Christianity. If you apply the blood of Christ in your life than you are be safe. This is the promise that the Holy Bible gives. Only by faith in Christ. If you don't believe then you can continue doing charity and good works. At the end of your life, your work is NOT perfect in the eyes of God as no man is perfect. Only Christ is. You can tell God how much you have donated or many hours you spend in an orphanage home, but men will never be able to meet God's perfect standard.
But as Christians, we must change our ways once we embrace the teachings of Christ. This means to change from our past life and to a new life under Christ. If you do criminal activity to get rich then you should stop it completely. If you cheat your customer just to earn more money, then you should stop doing it. If you hate you boss before this and always thinking or hurting him then you should stop thinking about it. If you're an alcoholic before this then you should stop doing it.
Its not easy. That is why we must constantly read the Bible and seek the help of the Holy Spirit. Try to understand what is God's plan for us.
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