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Bittz
post Feb 9 2023, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Feb 7 2023, 10:19 PM)
Just asking my earlier questions for everyone benefit.
How do you confirm that you believe in the actual Jesus.
Even Muslims also say they believe in Jesus.
So what makes your Jesus different then the Jesus believed by the Muslims.
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Disclaimer : All purely my opinion and it is up to you to take it or leave it. I'm just sharing my thoughts and some pointers.


I would say, His characteristics. - John 10:30-33
If you want to know more, you can do your own research.
His life biography all in the Bible. - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
It's like getting to know a person, a new friend/relationship.
Take it as a personal journey. (For me, it is a life-changing experience.)

In this age of time, we're lucky to have the Bible easily available for us.
It's also digitally available online.

Also, everyone can say they believe in God/Jesus, the Devil also believe in God. - James 2:19
Believing easily without fact finding and understanding is called gullible.

So the question here, seriously, do you want to know Jesus personally? - John 10:27-28

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Bittz
post Feb 9 2023, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Feb 9 2023, 06:00 PM)
See. You have proven my point again.

I guess you mean the Greek and the Hebrew is the best seller in history right the way you defend them.

Same goes to you as well. If I were making presumptions. How come you cannot handle them properly? But then you are going to assume you did that right?

Sure. They are being changed by the bible even though it's not god's word. Or unless you are implying god's word is not perfect. If it was all about morality, why do you even need the Bible? Any religious text would do right?

You see, the imperfect versions of the bible are no different then other religious text. I can also claim that the other religious text change people as well. So what is your point?

And you are already going away from the main discussion. I thought the discussion was always about whether The English versions of the bible is  the  word of God given that each version is different from each other. Not on whether the truth is found in Christianity or not. You  cannot even be consistent and you want people to trust you.

BTW, I thought your standard of integrity should be higher then mine. Since you claim to be a "Christian"? But looking at your replies, it does not seem that way. I wonder why?

And why am I being presumptive when I am questioning from an outsider point of view

But like I said. Let the public judge for themselves.
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Seriously, what point do you want to prove here?
Have you done any deep research yourself regarding on your questions?

Regardless of what version of translations, the most important thing is to understand the context, understand the message, and the meaning behind it.

Various translation are available to help people to understand the message and the context of the message.
Even to understand the scriptures will take efforts and time.
Starts with KJV, and if you don't understand, refer to others translation, then go back to KJV and so on.

Start with a prayer to God for understanding and guidance with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Then only everything will fall in to the right places and we'll begin to understand the true message which has been revealed to us through the Holy Spirit of Truth.
All take time and efforts.
Do your research first. If you don't know how or where to start, then ask.
Once you done this, then make your own conclusion.
God gave us "free will" to make own decision, your choice so make a wise one.

Else why Jesus speaks in parables most of the time? - Matt 13:13
John 10:27-28

Through parables, Jesus can communicate with the people who are ready to listen.
God's words are precious and only available to those who wants to sincerely know and seek of Him.

If you're trying to turn conversations into debates, and to win debates, you're wasting your time and other people's time.

"A good story doesn’t mean that everyone will understand."
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post Feb 9 2023, 09:43 PM

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I'm not sure what's your point tbh?
You're not being clear about it. Just straight to the point. I can't read your thoughts.

And let me clear here about having different version of translation; it is a method of "reference" to help me to understand words by words and the meaning of words/scriptures.
Nothing funny. I'm just sharing one of my methods of reading the Bible. Different people, different way of study/learn.

"You even got the reason as to why Jesus communicate with Parables wrong. So why should I even bother?"
Please read my post again and tell me what are the "wrong" part you're talking about?
I've included the Bible verse and I've linked it as well.
All you have to do is just click it and read to understand.

To sum it up, if you don't understand and have no intention to even try to understand what's being communicated to you, you don't and will not understand.
Plain simple, no nonsense at all.

So why are you here at the first place if you're already harden your heart?
If you're trying to troll around, you're really wasting your time and other people's time, and wasting post.

Of course, after this. You are just going to run to others for protection like the others. Expected.
Protection from what?
The only protection I have is from my Father in Heaven.

Anyway, I've no intention of "gang up" anyone here, I have better things to do.
I'm new to the thread and I'm here to learn from others about their sharing and thoughts, that's all.
I have a long way to go.

So you can keep your assumption to yourself.
I don't know you, you don't know me. Let's keep it that way. Easy.

If you have any traumas or bad experiences, share it here. It's a forum.
If you get help from others, be grateful, else just chill and move on.

No wonder people do not take Christianity seriously.

I do take it very seriously. Do you?

"A good story doesn’t mean that everyone will understand."
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post Feb 9 2023, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Feb 9 2023, 10:01 PM)
It's funny you wrote everything without tagging me.

Oh well
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Chill lah
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post Feb 11 2023, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 11 2023, 10:37 AM)
Jesus Christ wants to be savior, not as an example, teacher or prophet PART 1

1 Timothy 4:10 (NIV) - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

The meaning of savior is one who saves others. And I'll come straight to the point, Christ wants to be a "complete" savior, not a partial one. It's either He saves you completely or you do it yourself.
There is no God do his part, you do your part. The only part on you is your faith ie believe. Not doing. God would not have it.

Where do I base this theology from?

Romans 11:6 (NIV) - And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

The word "work" in Greek "Ergon" means the following;
work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.

So it's not just charity work but any "action". Including your performances to God.

Because if you have your part then according to Romans 11 verse 6, grace would no longer be grace.

Grace = Unearned, Unmerited favor of God. Something given to you without your effort or merit. If you think you have your "action" part then you will contradict entire
Read this verse 5 over and over again until it becomes a revelation to your spirit and your heart.

However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.


I underlined the word trust. That is Faith. No action of yours is involved, neither permitted in this verse.

STOP! Think for a moment here. It would make MUCH SENSE to say; God justify the Godly. Wouldn't it? Well for sure!

But why say God justify the "UNGODLY"????? I submit to you, even after being saved, you will do some ungodly things and I don't mean to discourage or discredit you. I'm talking reality. Talking about real Christian life processes.

God justify the Ungodly's faith. Think about that. Let this sink in.

There are very few preaching/teaching in churches on this because they are afraid people will misunderstand thinking it will lead to licentious lifestyle. So I continue to be ungodly therefore I can be credited righteousness. Same argument; Let us sin that grace may abound. (Romans 6:1)

These are very corrupted thinking if not insincere. At the heart of it, you don't trust God completely, you need your own works or effort for partial insurance for Salvation.

No Friend. You need to come to a place of vulnerability and trust God completely of what He said. No doing of yours...IE your obedience will merit you for Salvation. You can self justify and say it's a "response to faith" you can use whatever words but at the core of it, this theology does not solve this problem: you know you're going to heaven because you "acted" right before God. And that is "Works" my friend.

What about "we are God's workmanship" verse and what about "Faith without works is dead"? Many more, I'll address them in Part 2. In part 2, I will address first on "carrying your cross, hate your father, mother, cost of discipleship" arguments.

Suffice for now Grace is what saves you, Grace is what will bring you Home.

God Bless.

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