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post Mar 5 2025, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 5 2025, 11:57 AM)
Nice of your instructor making you example of proper riding kit, too bad the place I am people thing I am crazy

Also they make a massive point to tell me full face helmet is big no no (thankfully i have old cheapo open face helmet to use)

My riding jacket i have removed the front chest protector since most are slow speed stuff and making it not too hot when under the sun and thankfully it was white colour too.

Usually riding boots, what is the properway to shift up shift up using ankle or you move whole leg upward or downwards in order to shift? Cos my boots really lock the ankle so hard to move it around haha
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Proper way? When you are not shifting, you should have your balls of your feet or toes on the peg.

Only move your foot down forward pivoting on the middle of the foot when you want to shift or brake. Unless you are wearing ultra stiff MX boots, you should be able to pivot your ankle and not the whole leg.

All foot shifters/brake lever have some adjustments in them that you can play around. The more premium the bike, the more adjustments can be made.


When not shifting or braking, we only position the toes or balls of the feet on the pegs (compared to mid foot or heel) are for 2 reasons.

1) more cornering clearance. snagging your feet on tarmac isn't fun.
2) by riding on the balls of the feet, you take a toe in attitude, aiding in more clearance, and easier to grip the tank with your thighs. Go try and see the difference yourself.

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 5 2025, 12:19 PM)
Proper way? When you are not shifting, you should have your balls of your feet or toes on the peg.

Only move your foot down forward pivoting on the middle of the foot when you want to shift or brake. Unless you are wearing ultra stiff MX boots, you should be able to pivot your ankle and not the whole leg.

All foot shifters/brake lever have some adjustments in them that you can play around. The more premium the bike, the more adjustments can be made.
When not shifting or braking, we only position the toes or balls of the feet on the pegs (compared to mid foot or heel) are for 2 reasons.

1) more cornering clearance. snagging your feet on tarmac isn't fun.
2) by riding on the balls of the feet, you take a toe in attitude, aiding in more clearance, and easier to grip the tank with your thighs. Go try and see the difference yourself.

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Actually my feet is duck feet, so when on peg/brake the feet would toe out more than normal human beings (heck even for normal walking too)
It would feel unnatural if I were to toe it in, maybe because I am riding driving school bikes which does not give me enough seat time (i hop between z650 and er6n).

Hope this situation does not deter me when I am riding on the road for real. I actually considering to add slightly longer shifter shaft if I were to get myself a motorcycle icon_question.gif (not sure if its possible since i cant find such info online)

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post Mar 7 2025, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 6 2025, 04:02 PM)
Actually my feet is duck feet, so when on peg/brake the feet would toe out more than normal human beings (heck even for normal walking too)
It would feel unnatural if I were to toe it in, maybe because I am riding driving school bikes which does not give me enough seat time (i hop between z650 and er6n).

Hope this situation does not deter me when I am riding on the road for real. I actually considering to add slightly longer shifter shaft if I were to get myself a motorcycle icon_question.gif (not sure if its possible since i cant find such info online)
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barring major physical deformities, i think it is just something to get used to. When you get a bike, try to adopt a more toe in approach, which would make it easier to get your thighs in. Trust me, a lot of newer riders will find it difficult, including myself, early on.

The idea of using your thighs to grip the tank aids in cornering stability for the body and reduces upper body fatigue, since you dont need to hold yourself up with your upper body as much. Also being loose on the upper body also aid in reflexes, important in emergency avoidance. If you are all stiff holding yourself up, it would be more difficult to steer quickly.

What size feet are you? Unless you have some monster sized feet, usually the stock pedals are sufficient. Like I said more premium bikes will have more adjustments. There are aftermarket rear sets if the stock ones dont fit you. The aftermarket ones usually have more adjustability in them.

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post Mar 10 2025, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 7 2025, 10:13 AM)
barring major physical deformities, i think it is just something to get used to. When you get a bike, try to adopt a more toe in approach, which would make it easier to get your thighs in. Trust me, a lot of newer riders will find it difficult, including myself, early on.

The idea of using your thighs to grip the tank aids in cornering stability for the body and reduces upper body fatigue, since you dont need to hold yourself up with your upper body as much. Also being loose on the upper body also aid in reflexes, important in emergency avoidance.  If you are all stiff holding yourself up, it would be more difficult to steer quickly.

What size feet are you? Unless you have some monster sized feet, usually the stock pedals are sufficient. Like I said more premium bikes will have more adjustments. There are aftermarket rear sets if the stock ones dont fit you. The aftermarket ones usually have more adjustability in them.
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No lah, my shoe is running between euro 39-41 depending on brands and makes.
Just the toe out angle is apparently quite extreme from everyone who noticed how i walked bye.gif

On driving school bikes, no issue with ER6n (this bike is taller for me than z650) and Z650 bikes shifter and brakes but have massive problem with virago shifter as I cant angle upwards but for its rear brakes it took me a while to get used to it at expense of instructor shouting at me wtf am i doing so slow around kp002

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Do you guys wear touring boots for long distance or just street boots that covers above the ankle only.
kinda hard for me to find touring boots that is wide and not made of hard material because one of my feet has bunion

and for gloves do you go with those that covers above the wrist? or just street gloves..

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QUOTE(Voopoo @ Mar 10 2025, 12:16 PM)
Do you guys wear touring boots for long distance or just street boots that covers above the ankle only.
kinda hard for me to find touring boots that is wide and not made of hard material because one of my feet has bunion

and for gloves do you go with those that covers above the wrist? or just street gloves..
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It all depends on individual. I started with steel toes safety boots then upgraded to low cut boots and now wearing high boots. Looking to get the Sidi Adventure 2 as they are suitable for wide feet and has my size.

Gloves are about the same as boots. started with the street gloves and now wearing full gauntlet due to the wind pushing my jacket sleeves up which I did not like.
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QUOTE(Voopoo @ Mar 10 2025, 12:16 PM)
Do you guys wear touring boots for long distance or just street boots that covers above the ankle only.
kinda hard for me to find touring boots that is wide and not made of hard material because one of my feet has bunion

and for gloves do you go with those that covers above the wrist? or just street gloves..
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Touring boots for me..i wouldnt recommend steel toe safety boots. If they get crushed, itll crush ur toes.with it n can be difficult to remove. This happened to a friend on a low speed accident years ago.

Same as kaboku...Started with textile shorties and now onto gauntlets... Didnt like the wind blowing my jacket sleeve up and the sun causing a line near my wrist.
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I'm using these motowolf MDL 0349 long gloves as my daily. I have 2 pairs used alternatively for the past few months. Can't say how durable they are but as I do 35k a year, I usually don't expect my gloves to last over a year.

About the only complaint I have about them, is that they don't have a smooth hard palm slider. They fit small, so go up a size. I usually wear S in everything, these I wear M which incidentally is the smallest size they come in.

Not bad price for full goat leather (well almost, save the bit at the thumb) at around 160 when on discount. You can test them out at Serdang or Vamanz.


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If one were to buy helmet overseas (in japan or indonesia) in person. Would the kastam disturb you when you bring back to Malaysia?

Some of my riding buddy would just throw away boxes and remove any product sticker/tag just to show to kastam that it is used item.

Noticed most helmet these day doesnt come with sirim sticker anymore. Would they use this reasoning to kacau me?

Reason, I dont really trust local helmet shop seller whose main goal is to sell and earn commission and its not their interest to provide best fitting helmet for the buyer.

Unless there is a multi-branded helmet shop that I can go and visit and try everything without pissing off the sales person when i walk out empty handed blink.gif

Saw Takong Racing and Durian Bikers were one of the few that carries multiple brand in store.

There this old otai shop at pertama complex (think called mercinda racing) seemed legit too but not sure if still hold true in 2025?

Also saw this link too https://www.bikesrepublic.com/english/archi...met-regulation/

QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 12 2025, 09:17 PM)
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I'm using these motowolf MDL 0349 long gloves as my daily. I have 2 pairs used alternatively for the past few months. Can't say how durable they are but as I do 35k a year, I usually don't expect my gloves to last over a year.

About the only complaint I have about them, is that they don't have a smooth hard palm slider. They fit small, so go up a size. I usually wear S in everything, these I wear M which incidentally is the smallest size they come in.

Not bad price for full goat leather (well almost, save the bit at the thumb) at around 160 when on discount. You can test them out at Serdang or Vamanz.
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Do you actually oil the glove with leather protectors? Just asking as a leather shoe user I do oil my shoe every 3 months.

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 13 2025, 09:38 AM)
If one were to buy helmet overseas (in japan or indonesia) in person. Would the kastam disturb you when you bring back to Malaysia?

Some of my riding buddy would just throw away boxes and remove any product sticker/tag just to show to kastam that it is used item.

Noticed most helmet these day doesnt come with sirim sticker anymore. Would they use this reasoning to kacau me?

Reason, I dont really trust local helmet shop seller whose main goal is to sell and earn commission and its not their interest to provide best fitting helmet for the buyer.

Unless there is a multi-branded helmet shop that I can go and visit and try everything without pissing off the sales person when i walk out empty handed blink.gif

Saw Takong Racing and Durian Bikers were one of the few that carries multiple brand in store.

There this old otai shop at pertama complex (think called mercinda racing) seemed legit too but not sure if still hold true in 2025?

Also saw this link too https://www.bikesrepublic.com/english/archi...met-regulation/

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1/ yes...kastam CAN legally take the helmet from u as importing helmets require permits...if they take it away, there is now a somewhat simple process for you to get it back. Note that the helmet MUST have at least ECE tags to be able to get it back...n japan doesnt bother with ece tags for helmets sold there. A friend bought a shoei neotec 1 and a neotec 3 in japan....no ece tags on both but the same model has ece everywhere else

Indonesia has some with ece...but alot doesnt.

2/ yes, throw away the box and pack the helmet in your luggage... Basically dont la show them u bought a helmet when walking thru customs.... I went to bali n bought a helmet n packed in my luggage...just threw the box away je..all other tags, stickers etc still on the helmet...its ece certified so if kena rampas i know i can get it back

3/ legal requirement in malaysia is sirim and/or ece. Must have at least one of these. Can be sirim+ece or sirim+snell or ece+sni..bla bla bla...janji ada sirim or ece, itll be street legal. Sirim is mostly for helmets manufactured in malaysia.

4/ u think japan or indonesia not trying to sell stuff oso? I went to naps in japan tgk2 helmet, nobody cares...bali tgk helmet, the feller just stand next to me je... Dont trust the shops to get proper fitting? Do ur own research n help urself....in the end the sales staff cant feel if ur getting a headache or not...its ur responsibility to go n test the helmets..no matter which country the shop is in. Unless u buy something like a shoei which has personal fitting services, then diff story....thats also available here.

5/ practically all shops sell multi branded helmets, those that dont are specialty shops like shoei. Theres welly bt caves as well... Dont worry abt leaving empty handed, u wont be the first to do that n they also understand.

Honestly, if the exact helmet u wanna buy is available here, just buy here n save urself the worry n hassle. Only reasons its ok to buy overseas...

- SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper...if only rm50 or 100 diff dont bother.
- exact helmet not available here
- diff specs for our market vs there


Ive bought 2 helmets from outside the country...

1st was rm1.2k here n rm800 in sg...someone helped me bring it in..he had lubang though.
2nd was from bali...a kyt ttr-jet. its actually rm50 more expensive in bali than malaysia but i bought it coz malaysia uses double d n i wanted micrometric strap which is indo market specs.

I saw a very nice full carbon fiber helmet in japan that i wanted badly but it didnt have ece...so not street legal...so didnt bother.

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 13 2025, 12:47 PM)

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Speaking of kastam, if buying motorcycle clothing no issue kan inside checked luaggage? Like getting certain RS taichi or Komine stuff that are unavailable or forever out of stock here in KL.

Oh yes, I saw locally have shoei fitting system but I dont know if there equivalent for Arai or other brands?

For sure I need someone who is experienced to point me to the right helmet for a start instead of letting me try endless model and figuring out how the fit on my head.

You know like the system can see how your head and automatically recommended few helmet that theorectically suit my head well
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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 13 2025, 02:08 PM)
Speaking of kastam, if buying motorcycle clothing no issue kan inside checked luaggage? Like getting certain RS taichi or Komine stuff that are unavailable or forever out of stock here in KL.

Oh yes, I saw locally have shoei fitting system but I dont know if there equivalent for Arai or other brands?

For sure I need someone who is experienced to point me to the right helmet for a start instead of letting me try endless model and figuring out how the fit on my head.

You know like the system can see how your head and automatically recommended few helmet that theorectically suit my head well
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Other gears no problem..just helmets.

Hjc had a fitting program a while back..not sure still have or not.

What system? U can measure ur own head to see ur headshape n then check out reviews n see what kinda head shape the helmet has
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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 13 2025, 09:38 AM)
If one were to buy helmet overseas (in japan or indonesia) in person. Would the kastam disturb you when you bring back to Malaysia?

Some of my riding buddy would just throw away boxes and remove any product sticker/tag just to show to kastam that it is used item.

Noticed most helmet these day doesnt come with sirim sticker anymore. Would they use this reasoning to kacau me?

Reason, I dont really trust local helmet shop seller whose main goal is to sell and earn commission and its not their interest to provide best fitting helmet for the buyer.

Unless there is a multi-branded helmet shop that I can go and visit and try everything without pissing off the sales person when i walk out empty handed blink.gif

Saw Takong Racing and Durian Bikers were one of the few that carries multiple brand in store.

There this old otai shop at pertama complex (think called mercinda racing) seemed legit too but not sure if still hold true in 2025?

Also saw this link too https://www.bikesrepublic.com/english/archi...met-regulation/
Do you actually oil the glove with leather protectors? Just asking as a leather shoe user I do oil my shoe every 3 months.
Actually to give credit to local bike accessory stores..they have no issues with you trying the helmets on and walking out without a purchase. I've done this numerous times and they have always gave service with a smile. I think you need go give them more credit on this, provided you don't behave like a jacka55 lah. Nobody likes that.

But YOU will need to help yourself to find the perfect fit for you...nobody can help you with securing your noggin.

EDIT: Make sure you bring a clean full face mask lah to try helmets on.

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I went to many shops to try out helmets due to my unusually large head and didn't buy any, actually most were more sorry that they could find a helmet that fit my head than being annoyed that I didn't buy anything.

Serdang motorcycles staff particularly gave me good impression.

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Mar 16 2025, 11:49 AM)
I went to many shops to try out helmets due to my unusually large head and didn't buy any, actually most were more sorry that they could find a helmet that fit my head than being annoyed that I didn't buy anything.

Serdang motorcycles staff particularly gave me good impression.
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buy from shoopee, many shop didnt carry XXL helmet
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QUOTE(blek @ Mar 16 2025, 04:18 PM)
buy from shoopee, many shop didnt carry XXL helmet
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I wouldn't buy a helmet online unless I have tried it on before. Even then make sure the shop honours a return/exchange policy if you can't get it to fit properly.

Helmets fit differently even from the same brand. You really ought to test fit one at least 30mins before buying one.

For example, my M sized HJC rpha 70 fits perfect, but the same sized HJC F70 wouldn't fit at all.

2XL isn't a rare size. HJC and LS2 can be had in that size. Try the bigger shops/principal/importer/distributor instead of motorcycle shops. They should have more sizes.


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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 14 2025, 12:37 AM)
Other gears no problem..just helmets.

Hjc had a fitting program a while back..not sure still have or not.

What system? U can measure ur own head to see ur headshape n then check out reviews n see what kinda head shape the helmet has
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System in the sense that you put in some figure onto it and it will narrow down to certain models that fit your head profile
Speaking from my visit to prescription glasses and road bicycle shop which had similar system to narrow down the right model for the person.

Or maybe I am thinking too far ahead laugh.gif


QUOTE(Jason @ Mar 14 2025, 06:58 PM)
Actually to give credit to local bike accessory stores..they have no issues with you trying the helmets on and walking out without a purchase. I've done this numerous times and they have always gave service with a smile. I think you need go give them more credit on this, provided you don't behave like a jacka55 lah. Nobody likes that.

But YOU will need to help yourself to find the perfect fit for you...nobody can help you with securing your noggin.

EDIT: Make sure you bring a clean full face mask lah to try helmets on.
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I see, I did went to few shop recently to try some helmets. I did disclose to them I am cross shopping with other brands so wont be making any decision soon.
Managed to try some with hits and misses here and there.

Modular helmet looks nice but somewhat I feel more secured wearing a proper full face helmet. Not sure how to explain but I feel like something is missing wearing modular helmet even it was fully clipped on. I would assume if commuting to and fro work modular would be the better helmet since I am not doing crazy speeds. Not sure if otais here also had the same feeling? I guess some people use modular for daily while full face for weekend ride?

Wented to shop that sell both shoei and arai, somewhat both were fit-able to me but its a pity Arai does not have their pro fitting service here in Malaysia as the only annoying thing on my head is that the stock padding were in the way of my glasses temple which indirectly led most of the shop to push shoei more due to the PFS service. But unfortunately, most of them required me to fully commit to the helmet purchase before even doing the fitting service shocking.gif

I guess the only way to get arai fit is go overseas with our helmet purchased locally. That is if the shop even bother to layan us even after paying the fitting fee?

Of that few shop only one shop are quite obviously pushing me to buy on that day telling me the helmet is in limited stock due to raya peak period. Noticed that he keep trying to push me higher price helemet (plain coloured helmet vs graphic helmet) while another shop allowed me to try on those full carbon trackday style helmet shocking.gif

Need to continue sleep over it for sure.

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 17 2025, 10:15 AM)
System in the sense that you put in some figure onto it and it will narrow down to certain models that fit your head profile
Speaking from my visit to prescription glasses and road bicycle shop which had similar system to narrow down the right model for the person.

Or maybe I am thinking too far ahead laugh.gif
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got such a thing meh for motorcycle helmets? never heard of this....never seen in on youtube.. or online articles... or anywhere... i wear glasses too and oso never had anything like that... just go n test je.

which shops have u gone too so far? what helmets have u tested n whats ur budget for helmets? what kinda helmet ur looking for? what kinda features u want in a helmet?

somehow i feel ur just overcomplicating things for urself. most helmets fit the headshape pretty well. u just need to make the effort to go and test it out... most dont even need those personal fitting for the helmet to fit well. the personal fitting is more to making the helmet fit better.

full carbon is good even for daily (which i used to do). the lightweight helps with neck fatigue especially on long rides. my full carbon helmet is one of the reasons i now am very concious of buying heavy weighted helmets.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 17 2025, 02:14 AM)
I wouldn't buy a helmet online unless I have tried it on before. Even then make sure the shop honours a return/exchange policy if you can't get it to fit properly.

Helmets fit differently even from the same brand. You really ought to test fit one at least 30mins before buying one.

For example, my M sized HJC rpha 70 fits perfect, but the same sized HJC F70 wouldn't fit at all.

2XL isn't a rare size. HJC and LS2 can be had in that size. Try the bigger shops/principal/importer/distributor instead of motorcycle shops. They should have more sizes.
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I already buy 2 helmet sizes XXL online. Both KYT, R2R & NF-J. 1 is from Thailand shop.
you don't go for shop sell cheap should be no issue.
you r right , both size is XXL but NF-J is very tight compare to R2R
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Shoei PFS has head measurement, and suggests model for the head, with expected custom fitting if required

HJC has PFS nowadays, wait for events
Arai has peelable cheekpads... lol

modular helmets I think more spacious at the chin area, for some lah, maybe that's why it doesn't feel as secure as normal full face, also the different weight distribution

minizian what is 'glasses temple'?

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