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post Nov 2 2022, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 2 2022, 10:18 AM)
it is called recommendation for a reason, for the 36 degree and it serves as a guidance/yardstick.

while some people prefer even larger, i.e. 40 degree of FOV or so, see photo below, i understand where you are coming from but i don't think there is a one size fits all solution for every single person.

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Over the weekend, i tried your 6ft viewing distance by pulling my sofa nearer (or maybe i could have moved more, so could be slightly less than 6ft) and guess what, about 40 mins into the movie on netflix, i felt light headed and had to move further away to feel a little better.

perhaps my tolerance for such viewing angle might be somewhat smaller. Optimal for you may not be optimal for others.

And ya, i did made this a reference prior to purchasing a tv (on FOV).

By the way Sony also has its own recommendation of about 1 meter or 3.3ft away for 55inch tv. did you follow this?

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It's a recommendation based on how we master movies in the studio. Most studios use a 65" OLED TV and a 31" mastering monitor. Doesn't matter which display it is being viewed, but at any time both will always be at 36-degree FOV for the person mastering the content.

Welp you weren't even sure if you got the sofa distance correct, so... that's on you? Do you also realize that it's not the sofa that needs to be 6ft from the screen, but your head instead? Half a foot already changes the FOV significantly btw.

It's preference at the end of the day indeed not disputing that, but if we go the conjecture that everything is a preference then we won't have a benchmark. Imagine if we had to master movies at 15ft away from a 31" monitor. Think about the consequences.

You're mistaken about Sony's viewing distance recommendation btw. They're talking about angular resolution (hence they wrote there, viewing distance) not FOV. They are related, but they are different things.
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post Nov 2 2022, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 2 2022, 03:41 PM)
It's a recommendation based on how we master movies in the studio. Most studios use a 65" OLED TV and a 31" mastering monitor. Doesn't matter which display it is being viewed, but at any time both will always be at 36-degree FOV for the person mastering the content.

Welp you weren't even sure if you got the sofa distance correct, so... that's on you? Do you also realize that it's not the sofa that needs to be 6ft from the screen, but your head instead? Half a foot already changes the FOV significantly btw.

It's preference at the end of the day indeed not disputing that, but if we go the conjecture that everything is a preference then we won't have a benchmark. Imagine if we had to master movies at 15ft away from a 31" monitor. Think about the consequences.

You're mistaken about Sony's viewing distance recommendation btw. They're talking about angular resolution (hence they wrote there, viewing distance) not FOV. They are related, but they are different things.
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in short, we do not need a rocket science to debate about this i believe, just go with the one that you feel it is comfortable for you, no need to over complicate things. if you are comfortable viewing at that distance for that certain size, by all means go ahead, and after all, you're paying for your own tv. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 2 2022, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 2 2022, 04:03 PM)
in short, we do not need a rocket science to debate about this i believe, just go with the one that you feel it is comfortable for you, no need to over complicate things. if you are comfortable viewing at that distance for that certain size, by all means go ahead, and after all, you're paying for your own tv.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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That's fair and to be frank, it's barely elementary science nothing near rocket levels wink.gif
But it's your equipment at the end of the day like you said, so yeah set it up how you like.

My opinion is - you paid so much money for all that equipment and if you're not going to place it right for accuracy, why did you buy all of that for? It's very much the same for speaker placement for example.

Happy viewing. thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 2 2022, 04:20 PM

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Just go and test it out... my HT room was designed 130" at 10 feet, I think is 45 or 46 degree FOV, worried its gonna be too big.

Last weekend visit the Starke Sound room at hilton... 180", and I think its about 8 feet only... still feels very nice! In fact, I love it. Very immersive.
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post Nov 2 2022, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 2 2022, 03:41 PM)
It's a recommendation based on how we master movies in the studio. Most studios use a 65" OLED TV and a 31" mastering monitor. Doesn't matter which display it is being viewed, but at any time both will always be at 36-degree FOV for the person mastering the content.

Welp you weren't even sure if you got the sofa distance correct, so... that's on you? Do you also realize that it's not the sofa that needs to be 6ft from the screen, but your head instead? Half a foot already changes the FOV significantly btw.

It's preference at the end of the day indeed not disputing that, but if we go the conjecture that everything is a preference then we won't have a benchmark. Imagine if we had to master movies at 15ft away from a 31" monitor. Think about the consequences.

You're mistaken about Sony's viewing distance recommendation btw. They're talking about angular resolution (hence they wrote there, viewing distance) not FOV. They are related, but they are different things.
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on the bolded, of course. sony also illustrated that it should be from the head to the screen. even if i missed the viewing distance of your 6th, it is still well above sony's recommendation. and if i'm not comfortable with your 6ft, how on earth would i be comfortable with their recommendation? again, to me, it is just a yardstick for your reference, just go with the one that you're comfortable with.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 2 2022, 04:12 PM)
That's fair and to be frank, it's barely elementary science nothing near rocket levels  wink.gif
But it's your equipment at the end of the day like you said, so yeah set it up how you like.

My opinion is - you paid so much money for all that equipment and if you're not going to place it right for accuracy, why did you buy all of that for? It's very much the same for speaker placement for example.

Happy viewing.  thumbsup.gif
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it is just one small piece of equipment in life, we have many other priorities in life.

on average, i view my tv like what, 5 hours a week only, so i'm also so gonna be underutilising it, but does it matter?

if i get a super nice tv i should glue to it to maximise pleasure?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 2 2022, 04:34 PM)
it is just one small piece of equipment in life, we have many other priorities in life.

on average, i view my tv like what, 5 hours a week only, so i'm also so gonna be underutilising it, but does it matter?

if i get a super nice tv i should glue to it to maximise pleasure?
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You're missing my point.

It doesn't matter if you're gonna spend 5 hours a week on your TV or 5 minutes. My point was, make those minutes the best minutes you can get out of your TV. But how do you achieve that? You do it by sticking to references that people has spent decades in researching - they did the work for you, all you gotta do is adhere.

If you get a JVC NZ8 and you don't even bother to set the throwing distance right in relation to room length and screen size because the image would be too big, then... why did you buy it? That's what I'm saying.

I'm just here telling you what the correct values are and you're telling me you like wrong values because you like it better, and that's ok. Stick with it.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 2 2022, 04:43 PM)
You're missing my point.

It doesn't matter if you're gonna spend 5 hours a week on your TV or 5 minutes. My point was, make those minutes the best minutes you can get out of your TV. But how do you achieve that? You do it by sticking to references that people has spent decades in researching - they did the work for you, all you gotta do is adhere.

If you get a JVC NZ8 and you don't even bother to set the throwing distance right in relation to room length and screen size because the image would be too big, then... why did you buy it? That's what I'm saying.

I'm just here telling you what the correct values are and you're telling me you like wrong values because you like it better, and that's ok. Stick with it.
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yup, you're right, make the most out of the time you spent there in that space and yes agree with you that people have done tremendous research and supporting, backing their claims.

but since i feel lightheaded after heeding advice should i still stick with it? or probably i could be the minority needed a little further space? again like i mentioned earlier, optimum for you may not be optimum for another.

if i don't feel comfortable using the recommended settings, I go back to what I think is right for myself, am i still wrong?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 2 2022, 05:03 PM)
yup, you're right, make the most out of the time you spent there in that space and yes agree with you that people have done tremendous research and supporting, backing their claims.

but since i feel lightheaded after heeding advice should i still stick with it? or probably i could be the minority needed a little further space? again like i mentioned earlier, optimum for you may not be optimum for another.

if i don't feel comfortable using the recommended settings, I go back to what I think is right for myself, am i still wrong?
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Yes you're wrong, but that's ok because you don't feel comfortable with the recommended distance.

I would suggest you stick with the closer distance and give it some time. Maybe a few days and see if you could adjust to it, because like any calibration you will have a perception of "old is better" because you're used to it. But again, it's up to you if you want to make the switch or not.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 2 2022, 05:25 PM)
Yes you're wrong, but that's ok because you don't feel comfortable with the recommended distance.

I would suggest you stick with the closer distance and give it some time. Maybe a few days and see if you could adjust to it, because like any calibration you will have a perception of "old is better" because you're used to it. But again, it's up to you if you want to make the switch or not.
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ahha~! okay no harm trying (other than getting lightheaded) thumbsup.gif

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65 in is not big enough for me.

But price difference with higher size too big, so settle with 65inch and wait for price to drop. Maybe in 2 years, 85 inch is the common size in houses. smile.gif

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post Nov 4 2022, 10:16 AM

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I'm eyeing at 65x85k. Currently online price is around RM4.5 - 4.9K with 2 yrs warranty. Any suggestion where to get better price? If buy during 11/11 can get better deal? As of pricing today, I don't see any difference or state any offer price. Or do i need to wait for 11/11 itself then I can only see offfer price? Is extended 2 yrs warranty worth to get for Sony TV? Thanks
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QUOTE(skyfusion @ Nov 4 2022, 10:16 AM)
I'm eyeing at 65x85k. Currently online price is around RM4.5 - 4.9K with 2 yrs warranty. Any suggestion where to get better price? If buy during 11/11 can get better deal? As of pricing today, I don't see any difference or state any offer price. Or do i need to wait for 11/11 itself then I can only see offfer price? Is extended 2 yrs warranty worth to get for Sony TV? Thanks
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just wait for 11.11 if can

not sure if msia have the black friday sales or not
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post Nov 4 2022, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(skyfusion @ Nov 4 2022, 10:16 AM)
I'm eyeing at 65x85k. Currently online price is around RM4.5 - 4.9K with 2 yrs warranty. Any suggestion where to get better price? If buy during 11/11 can get better deal? As of pricing today, I don't see any difference or state any offer price. Or do i need to wait for 11/11 itself then I can only see offfer price? Is extended 2 yrs warranty worth to get for Sony TV? Thanks
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if u are in KL go to desa home theatre and ask for price see if they can match or go lower. buying from actual shop better than buy online cause they
send with their own lorry and install for u free.
i bought my tv on lazada and the seller said send with own lorry and install for me. in the end they send with J&T and never call before deliver.
also i had to call my friend to come over help me install

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post Nov 4 2022, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Nov 4 2022, 09:50 AM)
65 in is not big enough for me.

But price difference with higher size too big, so settle with 65inch and wait for price to drop. Maybe in 2 years, 85 inch is the common size in houses. smile.gif
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75" will be the new 55" in a few years time when 8k becomes mainstream, 85" will then be the new 65". The more affluent customers will have 98" in their living rooms.
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QUOTE(minano0001 @ Nov 4 2022, 01:01 PM)
if u are in KL go to desa home theatre and ask for price see if they can match or go lower. buying from actual shop better than buy online cause they
send with their own lorry and install for u free.
i bought my tv on lazada and the seller said send with own lorry and install for me. in the end they send with J&T and never call before deliver.
also i had to call my friend to come over help me install
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my experience with DESA has been good over the years.

2 occasions, i was pleased what they did.

not always the best price, but they do a great job post sale, incl warranty issues.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 4 2022, 08:27 PM)
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my experience with DESA has been good over the years.

2 occasions, i was pleased what they did.

not always the best price, but they do a great job post sale, incl warranty issues.
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Desa home theater also have lazada. Bought my x90j from them too. They will deliver with their own transport but you'll have to install everything yourself.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 5 2022, 06:55 AM)
Desa home theater also have lazada. Bought my x90j from them too. They will deliver with their own transport but you'll have to install everything yourself.
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They will install if u pay them . That's why I go to their shop to negotiate free installation before I buy

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QUOTE(minano0001 @ Nov 5 2022, 07:15 AM)
They will install if u pay them . That's why I go to their shop to negotiate free installation before I buy
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Nice. Last time I asked they quoted RM100 for tv stand installation and RM150 for wall mount installation.
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QUOTE(minano0001 @ Nov 5 2022, 07:15 AM)
They will install if u pay them . That's why I go to their shop to negotiate free installation before I buy
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Did you buy from shop or online? Many sellers sell online because they only sell, no after sales services. Warranty refer to manufacturer, installation you settle yourself.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Nov 5 2022, 06:55 AM)
Desa home theater also have lazada. Bought my x90j from them too. They will deliver with their own transport but you'll have to install everything yourself.
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From experience their Lazada price is jacked up, can get better price at their shop via their salesman.

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