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Dec 12 2021, 06:16 PM
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Dec 12 2021, 08:47 PM
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Dec 14 2021, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(poizan @ Dec 13 2021, 01:15 PM) Hi all, I am currently considering Sony X85J 65 inches over the Samsung AU9000 65 inches? I have a Samsung HWQ-950A soundbar which is why I am thinking of pairing it up with a Samsung tv for the Q Symphony functionality. Currently own a Samsung tv but exploring Sony tvs as well. Mainly use it for streaming Dolby Atmos contents using Netflix. Any advice would be appreciated thanks. Dolby Vision (HDR) or Dolby Atmos (sound effect)? |
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Dec 14 2021, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(poizan @ Dec 14 2021, 08:32 PM) Dolby Atmos because I know Samsung TV don't support Dolby Vision and also these TVs are not high end enough to take advantage of Dolby Vision. I see. I thought you're talking about X85J TV and Dolby vision support. I have a lower end Hisense TV with Dolby Vision and I still enjoy it despite not gonna be bright enough to do so convincingly. It doesn't pop like Samsung but that doesn't mean there's no difference. I did some comparison before settling for X90J. I even looked at X85J which is quite similar but it's just slightly less bright in hdr mode. X90J has FALD and newer XR image processing. Other than these, both are quite similar. I also looked at Samsung and then wonder why do you choose AU9000 over said Q60A? Price difference is not much and Q60A should be brighter with its dual led backlight. This is because you are considering X85J which should be priced between Q60A~Q80A. |
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Dec 15 2021, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(poizan @ Dec 15 2021, 02:23 PM) Thanks for your comments. My sister is working in Samsung TV dept but she isnt very knowledgeable in technical. She was told the older model is better too but was not told why. I also not sure since you cant really find much info on web.I got a good price in Lazada for the Sony X85J just slightly more than the Samsung AU9000. However after shopping further I have now ordered Samsung Q65AB as got good price RM 4.6k and got RM 200 free touch and go e credits. Do you know what is the difference between Q60A and Q65AB as I am trying to find out but can't seem to find out the differences. Yes I saw at the shop and the Samsung Q65A is brighter and much clearer better definition compared to the Samsung AU9000. If anything I can only suspect the panel. While doing research for X90J, I came across a couple youtubers that kept mentioning 2021 is the death of 4K QLED. They kept mentioning Samsung and even Sony switched their lower midrange from VA to ADS (aka IPS equivalent) panel. Samsung did it with QN85 series which is not cheap btw and certain sizes (namely 43") of X85J also uses ADS/IPS panel. This post has been edited by andrekua2: Dec 15 2021, 02:43 PM |
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Dec 15 2021, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(poizan @ Dec 15 2021, 03:19 PM) You mean which older model is better ya? I thought VA is better than IPS correct since VA should be brighter? Tradeoff between both. VA has better contrast, while IPS has better viewing angle. Since reviews love to compare black levels, of course, prefer VA. My office just bought a 50" Samsung AU7000 for CCTV monitoring and truthfully, off angle really sucks. Washed out color and only can see a wall of bright light. |
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Dec 15 2021, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(poizan @ Dec 15 2021, 03:29 PM) Which Samsung models you looked at before you purchased the X90J? Yeah I was looking at the AU series for Samsung also then the sales guy told me better top up a bit get Qled as the screen brighter and much better definition and I saw the difference also when I went to the showroom. I liked the Sony X85J also very nice but I bought Samsung TV mainly to pair with my Samsung HWQ-950A soundbar so that I can have Q Symphony. I was looking at TCL C716... 50"... then see LG A1 drop to 3.3k for 48"... but afraid to buy since my son watch youtube steamer playing games. Many static images. Last2 decide to double the budget and future proof |
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Dec 16 2021, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2021, 10:45 AM) hi bro, this x90j price is excellent. I cant afford OLED la... of course I would like to have a OLED but the price is just too much. I think OLED individual self lit pixel and response time already a win for me. OLED is not perfect since it also have its own problem like black crush and could also be dimmer later on as the usage accumulated.have u received it yet, initial comments? when opting for this, did u compare with the A80J oled? Delivery guy called me yesterday... probably receiving around 3-4pm later. This post has been edited by andrekua2: Dec 16 2021, 02:14 PM |
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Dec 16 2021, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2021, 03:00 PM) ya, that's always the question - is the oled worth it as the price diff is significant. Right now? No... I think if it could come down a little bit below 7K then maybe can consider. Burn in depends on content and unfortunately most streaming platform will have a static logo. So I would not buy it now.moreover, this oled burn-in issue still exist, doesn't it? QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Dec 16 2021, 03:07 PM) Yeap, absolutely worth it. I still prefer to watch HDR10 / DV contents on my LG OLED than my Sony X90H especially dark scenes with bright details. Though I don't own the A80J so can't say the same for that. I think OLED still can get better. OLED still has banding problem at lower brightness as usual. However as most TV review youtube channel pointing out, it seems like TV manufacturers are cutting corner when it comes to 4K TV. They are quietly slotting in IPS panel instead of the usual VA panel. I never bought any VA panel before until now. I also just bought a VA monitor and the black are really something compared to IPS although you do suffer the washed out color off center. Brightness/peak luminance is just one numerator of HDR range and only OLED can achieve true 0 nits to make the contrast ratio inf. I need to unbox the TV in the weekend and see for myself how this TV is worth the 2X of my Hisense. |
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Dec 16 2021, 05:27 PM
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Dec 16 2021, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Dec 16 2021, 06:18 PM) You don't need 1000 nits to get HDR optimal performance on OLED. On LCD perhaps yes. But on OLED, its between <0.0005 nits to >540 nits is more than capable to have the pop for specular highlights. I don't know about you but even when I watched the reviews on my tablet, Samsung HDR always made me wow while OLED just feel accurately coloured. |
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Dec 17 2021, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Dec 16 2021, 06:37 PM) I like VA on my X90H also. DV contents still look quite good. Just that the viewing angle not too good. Managed to squeeze some time to inbox and setup the tv. But yeah it will be worth 2x of your Hisense. What a big difference in hdr compared to Hisense A7400F. I think the Hisense is IPS screen since it's lacking in contrast. There's some adjustment needed to get used to it honestly. 1. The Hisense maybe dull and bloom but the brightness stay the same throughout bright and dark scene. X90J is a lot better but sometimes the transition between brighter and darker scene is quite blinding to the eyes. TheHisense though is impossible to watch in dark room (too bright) whereas the X90J don't have this problem. 2. I just need to use standard and lower brightness to 40. Colours is really nice unlike the flat colour on my Hisense. Red and green especially really pop off. There's too many setting on X90J to be honest. 3. Another thing I really like is the motion compensation. Whenever I tried to do black screen insertion in Hisense, it seems to make it worse. I had to set judder to 0 and blur to 3. The X90J don't have any problem even when motion compensation is on by default. Kahlamx liked this post
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Dec 17 2021, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 17 2021, 08:57 AM) bolded is interesting. Just watched for 2hours or so. I was watching Jirisan on iQiyi. The shoot was like from far away then pan into the actor somewhere in the scene through another angle, I do find the different in brightness in quite huge. It is a bit like watching movies in cinema, bright then dark scene then bright again.what do u usually watch - netflix, astro, local playback? curious if this effect is diff or much the same for HDR10 vs DV for same video title on the X90J. |
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Dec 17 2021, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Dec 17 2021, 11:37 AM) I wonder if that has something to do with the X90J FALD 24 larger zones vs 32 on the X90H? Actually I already somewhat can tell the transition isn't that good on the X90H but can't judge based on my eyes. Should judge based on test patterns and reference points. It was ok... maybe the scene was not dark enough (reviews showing some blooming with their test movie).How's the blooming around subtitles on the X90J? |
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Dec 17 2021, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 17 2021, 02:55 PM) The black crush is not mostly a problem , because of the amount of dynamic range OLED has . Good to know about the brightness longevity.In fact it was intentional and served as a dithering mask to smoothen out black -> dark gray transition . When you start from zero , you have plenty of headroom left compare to any LCD . The dimmer is also not an issue either , after 10000 or even 100000 hours of rigorous testing from rting and several media outlet , the brightness ratings have not actually dropped . For most people this would probably means a decade of TV watching . As for black crush, I think I skipped some explanation. OLED black crush is well known when brightness is low. I'm not saying it will always have crushing black. Sorry about leaving that out. |
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Dec 17 2021, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(Convael @ Dec 17 2021, 03:04 PM) I don't think you understand what is HDR , if at all . Well, I'm not really that technical into TV. Just on the surface.Dynamic range is like a canvas . It is measured similarly to contrast , which starts from the deepest black expanding to the brightest peak . It is what is giving pictures a sense of depth , again similiar to how we measure contrast which play the biggest role in determining picture quality . Yet under a typical situation , a 500 nits OLED TV will generate the same amount of impact (or "POP" which many of you have heard from HDTV ) as a 1500 nits LCD . That is because when it comes to dynamic range , the " darker " side of the measurement is far more valued than the brighter end of the spectrum of light . Human eyes are very sensitive to lights in a way that we are able to perceive more details in a dimmer environment than under strong lights. A 1500 nits FALD TV probably has a base black floor of around 0.025 cd/m2 , which is roughly equivalent to 1:12000 contrast . The OLED always starts from 0 , even with a 800 peak brightness it has a typical contrast rating of 1 : 1000000 . This is due to the flaws coming from the same tech that powers all currently liquid crystal screen , which require a backlight system . The current backlight system is far from perfection , often requires complex calculation to be functional and pales in real life performance . The same reason why even these 1000 nits monitor are considered fake HDR advertising . They are just bright screens , there is very little dynamic range on it because they are unable to supress the lights effectively . You just said you can't afford an OLED , yet you somehow manage to come to this conclusion . Please don't tell me you are making the judgement from a highly compressed youtube video with an extremely limited dynamic range . It is physically impossible for this to happen , The only circumstance I can think of is you are in a very , very bright room or you are watching large patch of snow field , in which case the strong ambient light is overpowering the screen with glares . Self emissive screen such as the OLED always gain an advantage and willl trample over the LED LCDs when it comes to sheer picture quality . And we have not even begin to talk about dark room performance . In dim / pitch black room , that advantage will translate into infinite contrast . Anything with a darker background will project a sense of image floating in air , conjuring a semi - 3d illusion , a PQ miracle which you have to witness to understand how awesome it is . Now now , we have not even started to talk about the plethora of Issue such as screen uniformity . uneven screen light distribution which further reduce dynamic range and contrast , "halos" and blooming and backlight leakage . If we are being frank here , the 2 technology are not in the same running league. I'm not really comparing anything from technical pov. I know there are more to it than just brightness alone but when watching review from tablet (also an oled screen), the immediate difference in brightness and a more saturated color of the Samsung does make the OLED felt naturally color. Just like many of the reviews when comparing apple latest ipad with mini led display vs oled display from Tab S7+. I'm sure there will be more difference when you at the TV in real life but for now, I wont look at something I cant afford. |
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Jan 13 2022, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE(tmc @ Jan 12 2022, 03:43 PM) Let me know what they could do to fix it ! <Grin> Mkv is just a container. Need to see the codec used to encode the video.It is a Sony problem, I doubt they can do much about it. In the end, I downloaded a 1080p Blu-ray MP4 version, it plays without problem. The 4k mkv version mastered by netizen could not be handled correctly by the Sony TV. |
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Feb 7 2022, 09:14 AM
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Watch Walking Dead during CNY holiday and then only I realized why so many reviews said X90J reflection quite bad.
Watch with lights off very big difference. |
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Feb 12 2022, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(Iylia @ Feb 10 2022, 12:28 PM) What's your settings?For me, adjusted temperature to expert 1. Contrast lowered to 80, sharpness to 35, low for both noise reduction, motion smoothness full, turn off creation. Turn off light sensor with lights on and manually adjust brightness according to content and turn onlight sensor when lights off. This post has been edited by andrekua2: Feb 12 2022, 08:37 PM |
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Mar 2 2022, 11:13 AM
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