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post Jul 17 2025, 07:30 PM

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The Cost of Mismanagement

The cruel joke of it all, for all the operational and IT expenses these insurers have been dumping onto Participating (Par) Funds, one would think they would have at least kept stellar accounting and policy records, and be competent enough to calculate reliable Asset Share figures.

But that is just too big of an ask.

In the end, the government's coffers will be the biggest beneficiary.

Great Eastern stands out.

There probably is still over RM 8 billion ringgit left within the Estates of both their closed Participating Funds.

We wouldn't know for sure until Great Eastern makes further disclosures.


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post Jul 17 2025, 07:44 PM

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While the gomen is busy fluffing on healthcare reforms, if there is a small chance they are committed to any reform, GE, BNM, MOF need to first restitute and compensate Great Eastern's Participating policyholders.

Maybe the current BNM Governor, Rasheed Ghaffour, and his Deputy & Assistant Governors can set up a press conference, call in the public, and explain what went on with the MySalam funding and why they still think it's right for them to have taken the RM 2.37 billion from GE's Participating policyholders to fund it.


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While BNM facilitated the whole thing - in the "public's interest" - Great Eastern's Board and Senior Management bear the main responsibility and accountability for misappropriating RM 2.37 billion from their Participating policyholders.

I suggest these champions, esp. Koh Yaw Hui, also set up a PC and public discussion to explain the same to their Participating policyholders.

All the uncles & aunties holding all these pre-2005 Par policies probably don't even know what happened, so yes, a lot of people are going to be surprised by this.

Call all the Chinese Press, feel free to hold a couple of sessions in Chinese, and explain to all attending the zaman dahulu kala cerita and what's been transpiring up till today.

Go, go explain to them what a Par Fund Estate is, what an Asset Share is, whether it's truly an Estate or Asset Share, why its size ballooned from RM 1.8 billion in 2001 to RM 10 billion by 2018, why no one did anything for so long, who has rights to it, and why the 90% policyholder share was abandoned and modified to favour GE in the RM 2.37 billion MySalam funding.

I think a more neutral place like KLSCAH, which has a very big hall, may be suited to hold this PC & discussion.

I would gladly pay to attend it.

Make sure all board members and the main senior management personnel (including the CFO, Appointed Actuary, Chief Internal Auditor) are there to share their side of the story, and explain it from each of their perspectives. Everyone on stage must be open to taking questions from the public/press.

Also, please don't forget to invite Lim Guan Eng, Tony Pua and Ong Kian Ming.

I'm sure Koh Yaw Hui is competent enough to arrange it.

All four of them should be given center stage to explain the so called "Kangaroo Court" Estate reattribution process - they should explain why Great Eastern deserved a 100%!!!! profit sharing ratio in the RM 2.63 billion March of 2020 one-off distribution.

Why was it necessary to exempt Great Eastern from paying RM 569 million!!!! in taxes arising from the RM 2.37 billion portion of the one-off distribution??

Why was it not necessary to tax the profits ultimately used to fund the MySalam contribution??

Koh Yaw Hui does not deserve to be the CEO of Great Eastern.

He failed in his duties and does not have the requisite skill, care, diligence, courage or competence befitting the position.

He should be shipped off for letting such a disaster happen.

Never forget these champions.


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Koh Yaw Hui once talked about being a person first before running a business.

There is a saying in Chinese that loosely translates as ‘before running a business, you must first be a person’. I held on to that.


Perhaps he should approach GE's Par policyholders as a person first, taking ownership and accountability for this fiasco, and explain to them the A to Z of what went on, rather than as the head of a cutthroat mercenary outfit praying that this issue never sees the light of day, and looking to lay blame elsewhere.

Great Eastern Life Assurance CEO Datuk Koh Yaw Hui shares his approach to leadership

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QUOTE(Euler @ Jun 27 2025, 04:39 PM)
you need to differentiate profit from death/fee component and profit from medical component.
there is no profit from medical component for years.
and profit from death or other component shouldn't used to subsidy profit from medical.
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Your position: profits from one ILP coverage component (e.g., death) should not be used to subsidize the reduction in profits or losses from another ILP coverage component (e.g., medical).

This would only stand if IL policies were sold on a short term basis (e.g., yearly renewable), and were priced and packaged separately - all ILP policies are medium to long term, and you can't buy ILP medical coverage without a minimum death coverage component attached.

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The average person would be shocked if the ILP embedded value (present value of future net profits) per RM 1000 in-force regular premium were to be made public - fun fact: it's high, very high 😉.

Also, a lot of these embedded value figures are calculated based on excessive cash/profit flow discount rates (e.g., 8% per annum).

The excessive discount rates mask the true profitability of these products.

The figures get even more stupendously astounding if lower discount rates were applied.

Try asking them to discount it at 0%.

ITOs would have already accounted for policy lapses in the embedded value computation, so it's arguable that a 0% discount rate yields a better approximation of its profitability.

Assuming that the average ILP policy - after accounting for lapses - had a lifespan of 15 years and an annual premium of RM 4.5k, the pre-tax embedded value @ 0% discount rate may be around RM 13,000; basically, a pre-tax profit margin of 20%.

Everyone's going to want to be a Big Three shareholder 😅.


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Just put a stop to all this repricing nonsense.

It's all the ITOs fault.

No one else's.

And that is why we have another Teflon champion!!!!!!👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾


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post Jul 18 2025, 10:44 AM

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Check out this mother of a Teflon champion. 👇🏾

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This time with AIA leading the pack with a 2024 group net comprehensive income of RM 1.93 billion, compared to 2023's RM 1.51 billion.

Should ask Aon Broker why their 12% medical inflation finding doesn't seem to have any material effect on the Big Three's balance sheets.

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If group insurance brought in RM 840 million, investment-linked fund management fees another RM 770 million, and RM 367 million from Par Fund shareholder distributions, the income tallies to only RM 1.98 billion.

Which leaves another RM 3.7 billion unaccounted for from the Big Three's 2024 pre-tax total income of RM 5.7 billion.


I wonder where the Big Three could have sourced this magic RM 3.7 billion from????

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P.S. This serves as a quick check.

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The 2024 LIAM report shows that the ILP annual premiums from in-force business were RM 32.6 billion, compared to RM 29.6 billion in 2023.

If the Big Three had 70% of the regular premium ILP business, this line may likely have brought in RM 21.8 billion in 2024.

20% of RM 21.8 billion is RM 4.37 billion.

RM 3.7 billion (suspected ILP pre-tax profit margin from non-fund management fee sources) together with RM 770 million (fund management fees) comes to RM 4.5 billion.


Eerily close, no????


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This thread getting unreadable

hafizmamak85

If you think there is truly misconduct by the insurance companies, then

1) create a new thread to explain problems of the industry

2) make your content readable that people actually can and want to understand

3) what solution / alternative there is. Solution that is practical. Keeping in mind, the sole purpose of companies is to make money. Does not mean they are trying to cheat people off their money either. Thats why regulation/regulators exist.

Else, you are just depriving most people who come here to want to understand more about their current insurance policies and what practical alternatives they can go for.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 18 2025, 01:56 PM)
cherroy

This thread getting unreadable

hafizmamak85

If you think there is truly misconduct by the insurance companies, then

1) create a new thread to explain problems of the industry

2) make your content readable that people actually can and want to understand

3) what solution / alternative there is. Solution that is practical. Keeping in mind, the sole purpose of companies is to make money. Does not mean they are trying to cheat people off their money either. Thats why regulation/regulators exist.

Else, you are just depriving most people who come here to want to understand more about their current insurance policies and what practical alternatives they can go for.
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Just because you or a few others think my posts are 'unreadable' does not mean that there aren't others who see value and find them readable.

I've put plenty spoilers to shorten the posts.

We don't want the insurance talk V7 thread to be a place where only points of view championing insurers are paraded.

Otherwise this thread is just going to be a one note where everytime medical repricing or some other major insurance related matter gets mentioned, it's always championing the insurer's rights or viewpoints.

For the past few weeks not many of you have posted much. Just one or two matters related to insurance, there rest were all just small talk.

How do my posts hinder anyone else from posting or reading other posts???

You are just creating a problem when there is none because you clearly don't jive with my views.

You think insurers aren't really out there cheating people, but I'm sorry to tell you, that that is just plain wrong.

Just because there exist a regulator doesn't mean the regulator has done its job.

We are here to be a voice for the people.

To give them the relevant information they need so that they can take action and I'm sorry to say, this may actually mean suing the insurer and / or regulator.

So please, stop laying blame on me. I'm not hindering anyone from posting anything about current insurance policies or other alternatives.

This thread is called insurance talk. All the matters I bring up are relevant and are of interest to the public.

Let's try to get Koh Yaw Hui or Great Eastern to respond to all the issues I'm raising if he and GE think they are right.

Why are they so afraid to address these allegations?? Freedom of Information Act will be tabled soon.

Sooner or later they will have to come clean.

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QUOTE(hafizmamak85 @ Jul 18 2025, 02:20 PM)
Just because you or a few others think my posts are 'unreadable' does not mean that there aren't others who see value and find them readable.

I've put plenty spoilers to shorter the posts.

We don't want the insurance talk V7 thread to be a place where only points of views championing insurers are paraded.

Otherwise this thread is just going to be a one note where everytime medical repricing or some other major insurance related matter gets mentioned, it's always championing the insurer's rights or viewpoints.

For the past few weeks not many of you have posted much. Just one or two matters related to insurance, there rest were all just small talk.

How do my posts hinder anyone else from posting or reading other posts???

You are just creating a problem when there is none because you clearly don't jive with my views.

You think insurer's aren't really out there cheating people but I'm sorry to tell you that that is just plain wrong.

Just because there exist a regulator doesn't mean the regulator has done its job.

We are here to be a voice for the people.

To give them the relevant information they need so that they can take action and I'm sorry to say, this may actually mean suing the insurer and / or regulator.

So please, stop laying blame on me. I'm not hindering anyone from posting anything about current insurance policies or other alternatives.

This thread is called insurance talk. All the matters I bring up are relevant and are of interest to the public.

Let's try to get Koh Yaw Hui or Great Eastern to respond to all the issues I'm raising if he and GE think they are right.

Why are they so afraid. Freedom of Information Act will be tabled soon.

Sooner or later they will have to come clean.
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You are right bro. I also wish Koh Yaw Hui will take the time to respond to the issues you raise here.

I truly believe you should take every member of LIAM & MTA to court, as well as BNM, and the MOF as well.
While you're at it, every private hospital operator too, and name the MOH in your lawsuits too.

Just as a start, maybe check with the FMOS first just to have some relevant eyeballs on your case to ensure feasibility.
FMOS services are free. thumbsup.gif

And I think you are the only person to do it too. Because you are the only expert with all the information.
Nobody else comes remotely close

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QUOTE(hafizmamak85 @ Jul 18 2025, 02:20 PM)
Just because you or a few others think my posts are 'unreadable' does not mean that there aren't others who see value and find them readable.

I've put plenty spoilers to shorten the posts.

We don't want the insurance talk V7 thread to be a place where only points of view championing insurers are paraded.

Otherwise this thread is just going to be a one note where everytime medical repricing or some other major insurance related matter gets mentioned, it's always championing the insurer's rights or viewpoints.

For the past few weeks not many of you have posted much. Just one or two matters related to insurance, there rest were all just small talk.

How do my posts hinder anyone else from posting or reading other posts???

You are just creating a problem when there is none because you clearly don't jive with my views.

You think insurers aren't really out there cheating people, but I'm sorry to tell you, that that is just plain wrong.

Just because there exist a regulator doesn't mean the regulator has done its job.

We are here to be a voice for the people.

To give them the relevant information they need so that they can take action and I'm sorry to say, this may actually mean suing the insurer and / or regulator.

So please, stop laying blame on me. I'm not hindering anyone from posting anything about current insurance policies or other alternatives.

This thread is called insurance talk. All the matters I bring up are relevant and are of interest to the public.

Let's try to get Koh Yaw Hui or Great Eastern to respond to all the issues I'm raising if he and GE think they are right.

Why are they so afraid to address these allegations?? Freedom of Information Act will be tabled soon.

Sooner or later they will have to come clean.
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Your post are sop annoyingly long and pointless to the general readers in this thread. Was the previous ban insufficient and a perma ban required?

Start your OWN DAMN Thread or at least sue the spoiler if you want to write inactionable nonsense with 5000 words FFS.
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Jfyi, he had started a thread of almost similar topic/info months ago, on 1 April 2024 in FBIH, but was moved to KOPITIAM.

RM 2.37 Billion Misappropriation by GELM - MySalam, Misappropriation of Insurance Funds
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5449050

His last posting in that thread of his was 10 Oct 2024.

Last year Feb, There was a write up in, Dewan Himpunan Pendukung PAS online portal

Great Eastern Malaysia’s participating policyholders scammed RM2.37 billion for MySalam
Feb 17, 2024
https://dhpp.my/mal/2024/02/17/great-easter...on-for-mysalam/

And
In Media Islam online portal
MySalam: Pemegang Polisi Tuntut Jawapan Isu RM2.37 Bilion on February 17, 2024 too
https://mediaislam.net/berita/2024/02/17/my...-rm2-37-bilion/

And also,

https://murrayhunter.substack.com/p/great-e...-rm-237-billion

Twitter
https://x.com/hafiziqbal1985/status/1877265270722490778

Malaysian Foreign Insurers' Divestment Puzzle & Mystery
https://www.scribd.com/document/765339853/M...uzzle-Mystery-2

This LinkedIn post
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jessicalaima...2241785857-luqv
Linking to/info obtained from/and this blogspot
https://ktemoc.blogspot.com/2024/01/great-e...ion-of.html?m=1

mentioned,
"..... Muhammad Hafiz treated with disdain by senior management of Bank Negara Malaysia & terminated for pointing out 1-sided agreement favouring GEH, at cost to Malaysians, due to loss of revenue & GELM policyholders.

Muhammed Hafiz later went to the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC), with an official complaint, but was not even accorded a case file number for his complaint."

This posting in here,
https://klse1.i3investor.com/servlets/forum...09264.jsp?fp=77
"GELM misappropriated RM 2.37 billion from policyholders, GEH lied to shareholder"....
Has post removed or link deliberately broken. ( cannot find it now, unless some good soul can provides latest link)

Eventhough, it is annoying to many regulars in fbih.
Unless, someone can ban him from continuing to write those thought of his here, i believes this thread in this forum will continue to be a place for him to express his thoughts.

Anyway, I am pretty sure, whatever his intention here are, it will be a futile effort, (unless his intention/effort here is to annoy other forummers here), as I think no one cares to read, or understand, or believes what is in those lengthy and jargonful postings. And judging from the interactions he get from his postings here, ...... there seems to be little or none availability of forummers here that he can engage in that same gist from the same pov of those thoughts of his.

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Sorry, just come to know about GE news. I'm one of the policy holder. Will it affect us the policy? Will it get terminated? If yes, they will reimburse our fund?

Trying to read the news but I still lost.
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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jul 19 2025, 04:59 PM)
Sorry, just come to know about GE news. I'm one of the policy holder. Will it affect us the policy? Will it get terminated? If yes, they will reimburse our fund?

Trying to read the news but I still lost.
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What news?
Is GE closing down?
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Guys, want to know how much % portion of your cash value based on monthly premium?
For example, your medical will retain certain amount of cash value (based in certain %) since 1st month of purchase.

I noticed certain insurance plan will have different cash value allocation.

You do your calculation and whether all of us having similar cash value allocation or there are big gaps. My table is for illustration only.


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user posted image

Guys, want to know how much % portion of your cash value based on monthly premium?
For example, your medical will retain certain amount of cash value (based in certain %) since 1st month of purchase.

I noticed certain insurance plan will have different cash value allocation.

You do your calculation and whether all of us having similar cash value allocation or there are big gaps. My table is for illustration only.
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While waiting for responses, ...hopefully this article can provide you with some info while you wait for responses.
SURRENDER VALUE AND PAID-UP VALUE
STANDARD FOR LIFE INSURANCE
Prepared by: Actuarial Society of Malaysia
(ASM)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...YSY7LV8gSvMVfAB


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QUOTE(X-SenZ @ Jul 23 2025, 05:35 PM)
user posted image

Guys, want to know how much % portion of your cash value based on monthly premium?
For example, your medical will retain certain amount of cash value (based in certain %) since 1st month of purchase.

I noticed certain insurance plan will have different cash value allocation.

You do your calculation and whether all of us having similar cash value allocation or there are big gaps. My table is for illustration only.
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So this is the generic premium allocation rate in your ILP policy.
Your medical rider (and all other riders) charges the COI to your policy, and your policy pays for it by way of selling units.
This is the same across the industry.

For more of your independent reading: https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/Insurance/W...-Insurance.html
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QUOTE(X-SenZ @ Jul 23 2025, 05:35 PM)
user posted image

Guys, want to know how much % portion of your cash value based on monthly premium?
For example, your medical will retain certain amount of cash value (based in certain %) since 1st month of purchase.

I noticed certain insurance plan will have different cash value allocation.

You do your calculation and whether all of us having similar cash value allocation or there are big gaps. My table is for illustration only.
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How does investment-linked plan works?

You as the customer pay premium to the insurance company. Example, RM200 a month. This RM200 a month is premium. The insurance company will take a portion of the money and after that then only use it to buy the investment fund.

According to the screenshot shared by the poster above, you can see the allocation rate is 60% in the 1st year. this means RM80 is taken by the insurance company (to cover their expenses, pay commission to agents, or for their own profit and loss) and RM120 is allocated into your investment fund.

every single month, there is insurance charges or cost of insurance (COI) that will be deducted from your investment fund to pay for your insurance coverage. for simplicity, assume the cost of insurance is RM105. so it will then deduct RM105 worth of investment from your RM120.

Now the money sitting in your account now is RM15, this is your "cash value". This RM15 is just the current investment value, as we know value of investment can decrease or increase daily.

This process repeats every month.

Why some people will have more or less cash value depends on...
1) how much premium they paid
2) how much COI is charged
3) what investment fund they chose (every fund of course performs differently)

Assuming someone paid the same premium, chose the same fund, they may have different cash value because if you have MORE coverage, this means MORE COI is deducted resulting in lower cash value that you may have.

To answer your original question, how much is allocated to the investment is actually set by BNM. to be specific, the number BNM set, is the minimum, of course some insurance companies can give higher than what is set by BNM, but that would mean they earn less, assuming their expenses didnt reduce.




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Hi guys
hopefully not off topic much

my wife and I are expecting our first born in less than 2 month

therefore I am looking to buy insurance (medical card) for the baby

can you guys give some suggestion or input
from my reading, information on baby/child insurance is more chaotic unlike adult medical card

here's our requirement (hopefully can tick as many of the boxes as possible)

-standalone medical card (we are price sensitive family, prefer to keep the premium as low as possible)
-no need before deliver coverage, Im ok with 15 days of life, a month or even few months old
-prefer online sign up (hard to find compared to adult), no offence against agent
-baby only coverage, no need family, both of us have our own dinosour coverage

some of the one I have looked/read

-etiqa one medical (family plan-no baby only)
-allianz health assured
-ceupacs care (also family plan) but cheapest -I am a civil servant


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saw on rednote many bought a plan called wealth elite AIA from public bank, bank staff promised pay for 5 years only then can enjoy the coverage till 99 years old and after 5 years u can withdraw anytime with the interest of around 5-8% pa

but I witness many cases on the 5th year when they want to withdraw, loss about 30%
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saw on rednote many bought a plan called wealth elite AIA from public bank, bank staff promised pay for 5 years only then can enjoy the coverage till 99 years old and after 5 years u can withdraw anytime with the interest of around 5-8% pa

but I witness many cases on the 5th year when they want to withdraw, loss about 30%
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I just think selling an insurance policy under the guise of an investment product is the crux of the issue from what you described.
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maybe this has mentioned before somewhere in this thread, but I guess won't hurt to ask again hmm.gif

basically, AIA has sent revision letter recently, and you'd guessed it, it's about price hike. they're giving reason along the line of "rising medical costs", and not the first time this has happened (precisely this will be the 2nd time).

back in 2024, my insurance premium rose from 3k/annum to 3.6k. aight fine. then very shortly after, BNM released interim measures to curb premium adjustments till 2026 (I don't have full knowledge of what was outlined in the list of measures taken)

this month AIA sent this revision letter about another readjustment, stating that for the 26-27 premium payable will be increased by ~6% to >3.8k/annum. then further forecasting that in 27-28, it'll be >4.1k (7.5% hike relative to the previous year), 28-29 it'll be >4.4k (another 7% hike relative to the previous year).

it's even worse for older age people like my parent (>60yo, also using AIA), the relative hike is >10% for 2027 and 2028, and on 2028 onwards the premium hikes to >10k/annum, compared to 6k/annum in 2023 (2024 hiked to 7.5k). it would grow to almost 70% hike for 2028.

though, there's a statement mentioning "please note that the premiums payable from policy anniversary in 2027 and 2028 are indicative and not guaranteed and may be subject to change"

the vague question that I wanna ask, is this really normal? the hike is way too high and I don't think it's actually following the inflation rate (ofc I don't think, but reality may be different)
has anyone also received similar revision letter around this year, in a format where they forecast the premium hike for the next few years?

more info: this is about A-Plus Health, part of A-LifeLink 2 life insurance.
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Jul 25 2025, 04:54 PM)
maybe this has mentioned before somewhere in this thread, but I guess won't hurt to ask again  hmm.gif

basically, AIA has sent revision letter recently, and you'd guessed it, it's about price hike. they're giving reason along the line of "rising medical costs", and not the first time this has happened (precisely this will be the 2nd time).

back in 2024, my insurance premium rose from 3k/annum to 3.6k. aight fine. then very shortly after, BNM released interim measures to curb premium adjustments till 2026 (I don't have full knowledge of what was outlined in the list of measures taken)

this month AIA sent this revision letter about another readjustment, stating that for the 26-27 premium payable will be increased by ~6% to >3.8k/annum. then further forecasting that in 27-28, it'll be >4.1k (7.5% hike relative to the previous year), 28-29 it'll be >4.4k (another 7% hike relative to the previous year).

it's even worse for older age people like my parent (>60yo, also using AIA), the relative hike is >10% for 2027 and 2028, and on 2028 onwards the premium hikes to >10k/annum, compared to 6k/annum in 2023 (2024 hiked to 7.5k). it would grow to almost 70% hike for 2028.

though, there's a statement mentioning "please note that the premiums payable from policy anniversary in 2027 and 2028 are indicative and not guaranteed and may be subject to change"

the vague question that I wanna ask, is this really normal? the hike is way too high and I don't think it's actually following the inflation rate (ofc I don't think, but reality may be different)
has anyone also received similar revision letter around this year, in a format where they forecast the premium hike for the next few years?

more info: this is about A-Plus Health, part of A-LifeLink 2 life insurance.
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In Dec 2024, BNM issued this
https://www.bnm.gov.my/-/mhit-pr

There was a thread in FBIH about it started in Mar 2019
medical insurance cost sudden increase 29%, normal !?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4753108


This post has been edited by MUM: Jul 25 2025, 06:55 PM


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