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post Dec 31 2019, 09:10 AM, updated 3y ago

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Licensed Insurance Companies & Takaful Operators



No. Licensed Insurance Companies Category of License, Approval, or Registration
1 AIA Berhad Life Insurance Business
2 AIG Malaysia Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
3 Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad Life Insurance Business
4 AmMetLife Insurance Berhad Life Insurance Business
5 Berjaya Sompo Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
6 Chubb Insurance Malaysia Berhad General Insurance Business
7 Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad Life Insurance Business
8 FWD Insurance Berhad (formerly known as Gibraltar BSN Life Bhd) Life Insurance Business
9 Generali Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad (formerly AXA Affin Life) Life Insurance Business
10 Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad Life Insurance Business
11 Hong Leong Assurance Berhad Life Insurance Business
12 Liberty General Insurance Berhad (formerly AmGeneral Insurance) General Insurance Business
13 Lonpac Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
14 Manulife Insurance Berhad Life Insurance Business
15 MCIS Insurance Berhad Life Insurance Business
16 MSIG Insurance (Malaysia) Bhd General Insurance Business
17 Pacific & Orient Insurance Co. Berhad General Insurance Business
18 Pacific Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
19 Progressive Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
20 Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad Life Insurance Business
21 QBE Insurance (Malaysia) Berhad General Insurance Business
22 RHB Insurance Berhad General Insurance Business
23 Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd Life Insurance Business
24 Tune Insurance Malaysia Berhad General Insurance Business
25 Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad Life Insurance Business





No. Takaful Insurance Company Category of Business
1 AIA PUBLIC Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
2 AmMetLife Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
3 Etiqa Family Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
4 Etiqa General Takaful Berhad General Takaful Business
5 FWD Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
6 Great Eastern Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
7 Hong Leong MSIG Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
8 Prudential BSN Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
9 Sun Life Malaysia Takaful Berhad Family Takaful Business
10 Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Am Berhad General Takaful Business
11 Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Keluarga Berhad Family Takaful Business
12 Takaful Ikhlas Family Berhad Family Takaful Business
13 Takaful Ikhlas General Berhad General Takaful Business
14 Zurich General Takaful Malaysia Berhad General Takaful Business
15 Zurich Takaful Malaysia Berhad Family Takaful Business







No. Name Ownership


1 AIA Berhad
USA company


2 AXA Affin Life Insurance Berhad
affin bank group


Dear Valued Customer

On 30th August 2022, Generali Asia completed the purchase of the remaining 51% of MPI Generali shares adding to its existing 49% share ownership, making Generali the sole owner of MPI Generali (Find out more) .


On the same day, Generali also acquired approximately 53% of AXA Affin Ge neral Insurance Berhad (AAGI), whilst Affin Bank owns the remaining 47%. Generali has submitted a proposal to integrate the business of MPI Generali into AXA Affin General Insurance Berhad.


This business transfer is in accordance with Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM)’s single presence policy, where a shareholder can only own one General and one Life Insurance license.

We had previously communicated that this is expected to take effect on 28th February 2023.


However, we are now working towards a new date; 1st Apri 2023 or such a date as may be approved by the Court. When this happens, then the integrated company will be fully reremaining 30% branded “Generali”.


Upon the completion of this integration, Generali will hold 70% of the combined business and Affin Bank will hold the We would like to assure you that the benefits and terms of your insurance policies with us will not be affected as we undergo proposed business transfer and name change. Your rights and obligations under MPI Generali’s insurance policies wil to you.


I remain the same. We are committed as ever to be of service Once the business transfer is approved, our documents will showcase the new company name and inclusion of “formerly known as AXA Affin General Insurance Berhad” as is required by the regulations.


Following the launch of the newly branded company, the remaining integration activities will take place over an extended period of time. e insurer in Malaysia.

The future combined company and unified brand will form the second largest general insurer and an emerging lif This is yet another significant milestone for us and we are delighted as we countdown to introducing Generali to all Malaysians.



Generali is one of the largest global insurance and asset management providers.


Established in 1831, it is present in over 50 countries in the world, with a total premium income of € 81.5 billion in 2022.


192 years !!!!!

With 82,000 employees serving 68 million customers, the Group has a leading position in Europe and a growing presence in Asia and Latin America.


Generali is Italian company


Global Fortune 500 (#72);


Generali has a direct presence in 34 countries.

3 Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad

Germany company

4 AmMetLife Insurance Berhad ambank group


MetLife, Inc. is the holding corporation for the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, better known as MetLife, and its affiliates.


USA


5 Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad
Maybank group



6 Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad

bank simpanan nasional


It's Now Known As BSN Life

30 Apr 2014

HERE COMES GIBRALTAR BSN LIFE


KUALA LUMPUR - After just over a decade in operation, life insurer Uni.Asia Life Assurance Bhd (UAL) has ceased to exist, and is now known as Gibraltar BSN Life Bhd, following the entry of new owners Prudential Financial, Inc (PFI) of the US and Bank Simpanan Nasional (BSN).

PFI holds a 70% stake in Gibraltar BSN Life through its subsidiary, The Prudential Insurance Company of America (PICA), and BSN the remaining 30%, following a RM518 million acquisition of UAL which was completed in January 2014.


7 Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad
ocbc group singapore


8 Hong Leong Assurance berhad

HONG LEONG FINANCIAL GROUP BHD
KLSE (MYR): HLFG (1082)



9)MCIS Insurance Berhad
sanlam group

South africa



10 Manulife Insurance Berhad

Canada company

11 Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad

Uk company

12 Sunlife Malaysia Assurance Berhad

Sun Life Financial Inc. is a Canadian financial services company


13 Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd
Japan company

14 Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad

Switzerland company


15 Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Keluarga Berhad
TAKAFUL (6139)


But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?”



After that, we think the 5 years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every 5 years, there is one rate, the next 5 years, there is a different rate to pay.


Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”


That is how a

standalone medical card


is structured, and you must be prepared for that.




Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian
=
ILP medical card




Renewal Conditions


Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.


This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.



Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian =
Standalone medical card

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The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:12 AM)
The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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Why? Care to explain?
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Dec 31 2019, 09:13 AM)
Why? Care to explain?
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Insurance Co making the most profits out of the products
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:12 AM)
The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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So what product you buy?
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:20 AM

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RW Genting medical card.

Cover funeral fee if jump from First World Hotel 24th floor if kalah teruk in kasino.
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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Dec 31 2019, 09:13 AM)
Why? Care to explain?
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The commitment is high. And the investment not that great return.
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:20 AM)
RW Genting medical card.

Cover funeral fee if jump from First World Hotel 24th floor if kalah teruk in kasino.
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Heart attack from losing showhand in Casiono got cover?
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:22 AM

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Hehe... Pls show me term insurance which covers all life, tpd, ci, rnb, med, and cost less than ILP min funding.

I'll wait.
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Dec 31 2019, 09:22 AM)
Heart attack from losing showhand in Casiono got cover?
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Only if you die from the heart attack. Cover funeral fee as mentioned previously.
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Dec 31 2019, 09:19 AM)
Insurance Co making the most profits out of the products
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But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?” After that, we think the five years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every five years, there is one rate, the next five years, there is a different rate to pay. Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”


That is how a

standalone medical card


is structured, and you must be prepared for that.




Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian = Rider





Renewal Conditions


Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.


This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.





Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian = Standalone
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:12 AM)
The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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Yes, Cause insurance company's forte is not in investment. Those agents only want commission so sell insurance, what do they know about investment? Keep for long term? lol, easiest excuse given.

Insurance and investment are two different things. When you mix them up, they won't hold responsible if investment is good or bad. Usually investment return is bad.

Hence, keep insurance as insurance. And only get the insurance you need.
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Dec 31 2019, 09:22 AM)
Hehe... Pls show me term insurance which covers all life, tpd, ci, rnb, med, and cost less than ILP min funding.

I'll wait.
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You means ilp medical card is bad?

But it is guarantee renew
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM)
Yes, Cause insurance company's forte is not in investment. Those agents only want commission so sell insurance, what do they know about investment? Keep for long term? lol, easiest excuse given.

Insurance and investment are two different things. When you mix them up, they won't hold responsible if investment is good or bad. Usually investment return is bad.

Hence, keep insurance as insurance. And only get the insurance you need.
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But standalone medical card is not guarantee renew right??

So insurance company make the standalone medical card a bad way
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM)
But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?” After that, we think the five years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every five years, there is one rate, the next five years, there is a different rate to pay. Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”
That is how a

standalone medical card
is structured, and you must be prepared for that.
Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian = Rider
Renewal Conditions
Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.
This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.
Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian = Standalone
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Good info. /k take heed!
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:27 AM)
But standalone medical card is  not guarantee renew right??

So insurance company make the standalone medical card a bad way
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Hehe... U extrapolate dia punya cost when u age 45 then u know hehe
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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:21 AM)
The commitment is high. And the investment not that great return.
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Less than rm200 can get u a medical card, how is that a high commitment lol.. are u that fcuking poor?

Is a company, not charity organisation. What do u expect lol..



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QUOTE(tungfunglaw @ Dec 31 2019, 09:33 AM)
Less than rm200 can get u a medical card, how is that a high commitment lol..  are u that fcuking poor?

Is a company, not charity organisation. What do u expect lol..
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RM200 medical card vs RM200 medical investment linked card
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investment link product not for investment return. its for ur future protection. just buy what u can afford, based on ur income level, use a 10-20% to get a basic coverage. the return in policy is for u to cover back the future value cost. nasi lemak also increase price after 20-30years, what about ur medical cost. if uncertainty happen, some rider will still benefit u.

i just admit to hospital, i see everything great, the monthly payment for this kind of benefit, the medical bill already on par for what i paying all those year.

i dont think set aside 10-20% for u to backup is a huge cost, or stupid. for me it just a savings for emergency. some people spent 10-20% on phone bill, handphone, comestic, entertainment etc
but they didnt feel anything. spending in insurance is stupid, its like telling people u will be healthy and no uncertainty will be happen for whole life.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:27 AM)
But standalone medical card is  not guarantee renew right??

So insurance company make the standalone medical card a bad way
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Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.




Can u pls read wtf u posted instead of copy pasting and contradicting yourself?
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So which company provide best medical card with no investment linked?
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QUOTE(lulusantos @ Dec 31 2019, 09:38 AM)
So which company provide best medical card with no investment linked?
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abang adik, there is no the best. each have their pros and cons
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So which company provide best medical card with no investment linked?
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Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad have standalone medical card only

You can check on it
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:27 AM)
But standalone medical card is  not guarantee renew right??

So insurance company make the standalone medical card a bad way
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Yup. Nothing is this life is guaranteed.

Insurance don't guarantee payment with their 2000000 clauses printed in font size 5.

But medical cards can be purchased up to old ages, differs according to insurance companies.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:43 AM)
Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad have standalone medical card only

You can check on it
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How insurance companies can earn more than what will be claimed by insurers?
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How insurance companies can earn more than what will be claimed by insurers?
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they will revise the price so they can earn more than the payout..
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The cost of insurance, be it stand alone or attached to a investment link policy, increases every few years, based on age bracket. Get your agent to show the details when he presents the sales illustration. Standalone medical cards are still available in the market, however you may find that investment linked medical cards may have additional benefits that may not be available in standalone medical cards.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM)
But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?” After that, we think the five years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every five years, there is one rate, the next five years, there is a different rate to pay. Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”
That is how a

standalone medical card
is structured, and you must be prepared for that.
Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian = Rider
Renewal Conditions
Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.
This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.
Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian = Standalone
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The cost of insurance, be it stand alone or attached to a investment link policy, increases every few years, based on age bracket. Get your agent to show the details when he presents the sales illustration. Standalone medical cards are still available in the market, however you may find that investment linked medical cards may have additional benefits that may not be available in standalone medical cards.
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Was browsing etiqa, got this etakaful one that only costs rm50 ++ (much less if u opt for deductibles).

Best Thing is no lifetime limit.

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Also was browsing Philippines medical insurance. Fark the annual limit is only Like rm20k but price is more than rm100
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so apa sarahan.

stand alone or penipu scammer ILP?


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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Dec 31 2019, 12:22 PM)
The cost of insurance, be it stand alone or attached to a investment link policy, increases every few years, based on age bracket. Get your agent to show the details when he presents the sales illustration.  Standalone medical cards are still available in the market, however you may find that investment linked medical cards may have additional benefits that may not be available in standalone medical cards.
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Example of benefit list gain from ILP.



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QUOTE(Noyoudontcare @ Dec 31 2019, 11:32 AM)
Was browsing etiqa, got this etakaful one that only costs rm50 ++ (much less if u opt for deductibles).

Best Thing is no lifetime limit.
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How much year limit?
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i use prubsn anugerahplus which is medical card rider plan, the life insurance portion i only pay rm15 per month(which is the bare minimum rm10000 sum covered) and those medical card give significant more coverage compared to stand alone medical card.

the insurance version want probably cheaper, so if you only seeking for medical card only, then just ask them to configure the plan with the lowest sum covered.
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A Gibraltar BSN agent approach me for their ILP package. Suggested me to take the RM150 with the annual pay of RM1800 until age 70+ . And simulated investment returns of around RM600 per annum.

I was like, this is gooood! But, seems very fishy. Is it a scam?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 31 2019, 09:25 AM)
Yes, Cause insurance company's forte is not in investment. Those agents only want commission so sell insurance, what do they know about investment? Keep for long term? lol, easiest excuse given.

Insurance and investment are two different things. When you mix them up, they won't hold responsible if investment is good or bad. Usually investment return is bad.

Hence, keep insurance as insurance. And only get the insurance you need.
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so better get term insurance for med card instead of investment linked?
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Just a random thought, why is there no personal insurance that covers GP visits? oddly enough..
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"jaga diri sendiri and eat healthy" insurans card

monthly paid nothing

very good card
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QUOTE(ali00 @ Dec 31 2019, 11:48 AM)
A Gibraltar BSN agent approach me for their ILP package. Suggested me to take the RM150 with the annual pay of RM1800 until age 70+ . And simulated investment returns of around RM600 per annum.

I was like, this is gooood! But, seems very fishy.  Is it a scam?
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let see,
i use AIA for the calculation
you need to pay rm2805 per year for rm15000 sum covered (this is 20 years plan), with 5% profit per year, you will get rm750 per annum (dont forget remark Sila ambil perhatian bahawa pulangan pelaburan adalah TIDAK dijamin), so there is high chances you will not get 5% interest out of it.
does this sound good for you?

when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it.

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When insurance ppl say investment linked plan..what investment are they talking about?
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When insurance ppl say investment linked plan..what investment are they talking about?
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certain amount of premium paid being used to invested in mutual fund, and once you reach certain age then you can use the amount in mutual funds to continue pay insurance premium (you dont need to pay using your own money).

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certain amount of premium paid being used to invested in mutual fund, and once you reach certain age then you can use the amount in mutual funds to continue pay insurance premium (you dont need to pay using your own money).
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Oh i see. Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand better le
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1) Medical card Takafool PruBSN AnugerahPlus = RM163/month

2) Life Takafool PruBSN WarisanPlus = Rm448/month

3) Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) = RM 400/month

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let see,
i use AIA for the calculation
you need to pay rm2805 per year for rm15000 sum covered (this is 20 years plan), with 5% profit per year, you will get rm750 per annum (dont forget remark Sila ambil perhatian bahawa pulangan pelaburan adalah TIDAK dijamin), so there is high chances you will not get 5% interest out of it.
does this sound good for you?

when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it.
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So the plan matured after 20 years, what happens after that?
Don't really understand this one.

"when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it."
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better get the one without annual limit.. only lifetime limit
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I pay

1) Medical card  Takafool PruBSN AnugerahPlus = RM163/month

2) Life Takafool PruBSN WarisanPlus = Rm448/month

3) Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) = RM 400/month

oh waiii burning those monney  laugh.gif  whistling.gif
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Why so many plans?
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Why so many plans?
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only take takafool zurich plan just showing support to my sister who have just became their agent recently....LOL
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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:21 AM)
The commitment is high. And the investment not that great return.
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Commitment is high? U must be poorfag man

U wont feel its high when u kena some serious disease and need to admit hospital.

Put it this way la, nobody said the investment is gonna give u good returns.

If there is returns, consider it a bonus. If there is low returns, u are still covered.

I think u dont understand the concept here. If u think u can be a millionaire by getting an ILP, please dream on ya.

RM100 standalone medical card or RM100 ILP,

For sure i take ILP. Standalone medical card if nothing happens, u get 0
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I pay

1) Medical card  Takafool PruBSN AnugerahPlus = RM163/month

2) Life Takafool PruBSN WarisanPlus = Rm448/month

3) Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) = RM 400/month

oh waiii burning those monney  laugh.gif  whistling.gif
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wow, 2 life insurance plan ... i only have 1 life insurance, in case touch wood anything happen got some $ leave for family ..
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 31 2019, 12:48 PM)
Commitment is high? U must be poorfag man

U wont feel its high when u kena some serious disease and need to admit hospital.

Put it this way la, nobody said the investment is gonna give u good returns.

If there is returns, consider it a bonus. If there is low returns, u are still covered.

I think u dont understand the concept here. If u think u can be a millionaire by getting an ILP, please dream on ya.

RM100 standalone medical card or RM100 ILP,

For sure i take ILP. Standalone medical card if nothing happens, u get 0
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If ilp investment fail, have to topup and pay extra right?
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the medical card alone cost me rm350
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QUOTE(cofin @ Dec 31 2019, 12:51 PM)
Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad

the medical card alone cost me rm350
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let see,
i use AIA for the calculation
you need to pay rm2805 per year for rm15000 sum covered (this is 20 years plan), with 5% profit per year, you will get rm750 per annum (dont forget remark Sila ambil perhatian bahawa pulangan pelaburan adalah TIDAK dijamin), so there is high chances you will not get 5% interest out of it.
does this sound good for you?

when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it.
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the pyramid collapse if everyone cashed out for their insurance.
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If ilp investment fail, have to topup and pay extra right?
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Its low risk investment. Low risk, low return.

What do u mean by ILP investment fail?

I have been paying my usual premium for years. Never once i top up anything.
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If ilp investment fail, have to topup and pay extra right?
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ilp investment fail, you will only have lower return or negative return, it is using premium to invest in mutual funds...

you dont need to topup anything....
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let see,
i use AIA for the calculation
you need to pay rm2805 per year for rm15000 sum covered (this is 20 years plan), with 5% profit per year, you will get rm750 per annum (dont forget remark Sila ambil perhatian bahawa pulangan pelaburan adalah TIDAK dijamin), so there is high chances you will not get 5% interest out of it.
does this sound good for you?

when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it.
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2805 per year for 15000 sum insured? That seems very low coverage. U must be very old.

15000 is life or medical card?

Pls get ur facts right
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walaowei...you must be old...35 onwaards  hmm.gif
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no leh less than 32 ....is the insurance agent kelong me ?

Coz when i buy he ask me what is your budget i say rm350 ...then sell me rm1mil medical card rm350 per month
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QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 01:00 PM)
ilp investment fail, you will only have lower return or negative return, it is using premium to invest in mutual funds...

you dont need to topup anything....
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I thought the returns is use to offset the premium, but if negative return, means the premium will increase..something like that.. is it?
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i use prubsn anugerahplus which is medical card rider plan, the life insurance portion i only pay rm15 per month(which is the bare minimum rm10000 sum covered) and those medical card give significant more coverage compared to stand alone medical card.

the insurance version want probably cheaper, so if you only seeking for medical card only, then just ask them to configure the plan with the lowest sum covered.
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Prudential BSN Takaful Berhad


It is under prudential insurance


But not unlimited lifetime limit right???
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I thought the returns is use to offset the premium, but if negative return, means the premium will increase..something like that.. is it?
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You can use the return to offset with your future premium, not the current premium ... for my insurance i can only use the return to offset premium after age 60 or 70..

ilp concept is just that you pay a little more now to invest, then use it in future ... of course if you go for normal medical card, you pay lesser now, but you need to pay more/longer in future, so is lebih kurang the same ...

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QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 01:00 PM)
ilp investment fail, you will only have lower return or negative return, it is using premium to invest in mutual funds...

you dont need to topup anything....
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Just inside cash value will decrease right???
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QUOTE(cofin @ Dec 31 2019, 01:09 PM)
no leh less than 32 ....is the insurance agent kelong me ?

Coz when i buy he ask me what is your budget i say rm350 ...then sell me rm1mil medical card rm350 per month
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What insurance company???
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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Dec 31 2019, 12:05 PM)
Just a random thought, why is there no personal insurance that covers GP visits? oddly enough..
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general practitioner


means clinic right???
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I pay

1) Medical card  Takafool PruBSN AnugerahPlus = RM163/month

2) Life Takafool PruBSN WarisanPlus = Rm448/month

3) Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) = RM 400/month

oh waiii burning those monney  laugh.gif  whistling.gif
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what is inside Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) ???
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RW Genting medical card.

Cover funeral fee if jump from First World Hotel 24th floor if kalah teruk in kasino.
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QUOTE(ali00 @ Dec 31 2019, 11:48 AM)
A Gibraltar BSN agent approach me for their ILP package. Suggested me to take the RM150 with the annual pay of RM1800 until age 70+ . And simulated investment returns of around RM600 per annum.

I was like, this is gooood! But, seems very fishy.  Is it a scam?
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how many percent of rerurn???
must be projected
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 31 2019, 11:48 AM)
I use AIA
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how much???

what plan?
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 31 2019, 01:00 PM)
2805 per year for 15000 sum insured? That seems very low coverage. U must be very old.

15000 is life or medical card?

Pls get ur facts right
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im talking about this saving and investment plan, this is not medical card, but you could apply medical rider out of this.
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/savi...richgold-i.html
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how much???

what plan?
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One year pay RM5.5k.


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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Dec 31 2019, 12:05 PM)
Just a random thought, why is there no personal insurance that covers GP visits? oddly enough..
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Because GP visits are cheap as compared to what u need to pay the moment u are admittedly to a hospital for surgery or what not

But GP visits are claimable if after the visit, the Dr refers you to hospital
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im talking about this saving and investment plan, this is not medical card, but you could apply medical rider out of this.
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/savi...richgold-i.html
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What is A-EnrichGold-i?



A-EnrichGold-i is a Shariah-compliant Takaful coverage product which consists of Ordinary
Family Takaful and investment-linked portion which provides you with increasing Lifestyle
Benefit and maturity value. It also offers you the potential of upside investment gains and
the flexibility in managing your savings.
On top of that, it also provides coverage on death and Total and Permanent Disability (TPD)
and double Takaful coverage on accidental death and TPD.


what is special about takaful??
more safe?
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 31 2019, 01:27 PM)
One year pay RM5.5k.
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how old are you??

did you buy all in one??




36 Critical Illnesses,
Total and Permanent Disability (TPD),
death,
medical card?????

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im talking about this saving and investment plan, this is not medical card, but you could apply medical rider out of this.
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/savi...richgold-i.html
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This is endowment plan . Mainly focus on investment. This type no point to get.

Just get a IlP enough already.
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So the plan matured after 20 years, what happens after that?
Don't really understand this one.

"when the plan matured you get 150% out of sum covered, not all the money you invested into it."
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tutup buku la.

like insurance you are paying money per annum in order to get some protected value, this is what the called as sum covered. this is not like traditional saving like it you put rm2000 in a year, you are getting interest on thosse saving, the sum covered is like i give you do this amount fund from the start, so every year you pay me principal+interest, if every year got untung, i let you keep the untung. after the policy matured, i give you the agreed sum covered + bonus.

bahasa mudah, i give you loan for this amount, you pay me every year/month. since the loan amount is kept by me, i manage the fund for you, if got untung, i give you some, after 20 years, i give you hefty money, but we are done now.

make sense?
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 31 2019, 01:32 PM)
This is endowment plan . Mainly focus on investment. This type no point to get.

Just get a IlP enough already.
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it is one of the ilp offered by aia, which allow you to attach a rider medical card .

okay i got it wrong



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tutup buku la.

like insurance you are paying money per annum in order to get some protected value, this is what the called as sum covered. this is not like traditional saving like it you put rm2000 in a year, you are getting interest on thosse saving, the sum covered is like i give you do this amount fund from the start, so every year you pay me principal+interest, if every year got untung, i let you keep the untung. after the policy matured, i give you the agreed sum covered + bonus.

bahasa mudah, i give you loan for this amount, you pay me every year/month. since the loan amount is kept by me, i manage the fund for you, if got untung, i give you some, after 20 years, i give you hefty money, but we are done now.

make sense?
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But it is not guaranteed any return
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Any medical card these days that cover normal clinic visits .. and normal specialist visits , generally including consultation, medication, procedures, etc.. but doesn't fall under 36 critical illness

Which insurance cover the following :

1. riding a motorbike, fell down, broke an arm, put into cast, no hospitalisation.. what can be claimed ?

2. high fever , suspected dengue , refer hospital for observation , after one day discharge after fever subside ... not dengue

Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 01:51 PM)
But it is not guaranteed any return
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it only guarantee sum covered given upon maturity.
im not a participant of this, probably got guarantee untung
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Just inside cash value will decrease right???
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Yes, the cash value maybe will lower than the plan they show you, as i know they use historical of 5-6% return when stimulating the plan ...
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what is inside Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) ???
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Age : 29

For Zurich Takafool
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 300K
36 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 100K)

For PruBSN WarisanPlus

Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K...If die in accident like car...double the amount...
43 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 300K)



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Any medical card these days that cover normal clinic visits .. and normal specialist visits , generally including consultation, medication, procedures, etc.. but doesn't fall under 36 critical illness

Which insurance cover the following :

1. riding a motorbike, fell down, broke an arm, put into cast, no hospitalisation.. what can be claimed ?

2. high fever , suspected dengue , refer hospital for observation , after one day discharge after fever subside ... not dengue

Thanks in advance.
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Zurich takaful got i think...can check the website..PATINA2016..takafool product
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Whole family if 5 only rm567. No limit.
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I bought Great Eastern.

Medical - RM 350 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 50k
Medical coverage - RM 900k, increase Rm90k every 3 years if no claim
R&B - Rm 150 per night

Life - RM 400 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K, if Accident Death x 2, Public conveyance x 3, Oversea accident x 4.
Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty)
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bought Zurich medical card for me and my kid
rm1.2k+ annually for my daughter
last year 2018, it covered rm3k+ her medical bill
this year covered rm7k+ bill
these medical card really worth it if u got small kid

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bought Zurich medical card for me and my kid
rm1.2k+ annually for my daughter
last year 2018, it covered rm3k+ her medical bill
this year covered rm7k+ bill
these medical card really worth it if u got small kid
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Which items were covered, which were excluded ?
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general practitioner
means clinic right???
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Yep, clinic
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Which items were covered, which were excluded ?
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not sure, need to read the policy
but for my daughter case, 1st she got admitted coz of pneumonia, 2nd surgery to removed cysts, & 3rd admitted coz influenza A
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QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 02:45 PM)
I bought Great Eastern.

Medical - RM 350 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 50k
Medical coverage - RM 900k, increase Rm90k every 3 years if no claim
R&B - Rm 150 per night

Life - RM 400 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K, if Accident Death x 2, Public conveyance x 3, Oversea accident x 4.
Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty)
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You old?

These look kinda steep, unless the impact of adding riders is greater than what I thought.

For life, those PA/CI is eating into death TPD benefits, so it makes sense

Not so much for your medical tho, sth looks off
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What insurance company???
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Dec 31 2019, 11:35 AM)
Example of benefit list gain from ILP.
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Taking AIA as an example, the investment linked medical plan, A-Plus Health has the following benefits not available for the standalone A-Life Med Regular
1. Health Wallet, that credits your plan with RM$ an equivalent to 0.1% based on the plan you choose if no claims are made during the period. This credit can be used for few Benefits not provided under the medical plan including consultation for mental health.
2. Protection Boost, which can be utilised if your annual limits is fully used or payout upon death.
3. Extra Care, provides optical support and limited maternity benefits.

It also starts with a high annual limit, given the constantly increasing medical cost.
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Which insurance cover the following :

1. riding a motorbike, fell down, broke an arm, put into cast, no hospitalisation.. what can be claimed ?

2. high fever , suspected dengue , refer hospital for observation , after one day discharge after fever subside ... not dengue

Thanks in advance.
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Read up AIA Flex PA.
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RM300+ a month
RM1m max medical cover
RM100k for cacat
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AIA.

Whole family if 5 only rm567. No limit.
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Aia public takaful???

Parents plus 3 children?
Per month rm567?
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post Dec 31 2019, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 02:45 PM)
I bought Great Eastern.

Medical - RM 350 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 50k
Medical coverage - RM 900k, increase Rm90k every 3 years if no claim
R&B - Rm 150 per night

Life - RM 400 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K, if Accident Death x 2, Public conveyance x 3, Oversea accident x 4.
Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty)
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When you buy your medical card?
Nowadays medical card mostly unlimitee lifetime limit.
Both is ilp??

Why the rider so complicated?

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QUOTE(cofin @ Dec 31 2019, 03:29 PM)
Prudential loh
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At which year when you buy your prudential medical card?
It is ilp or standalone?

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Taking AIA as an example, the investment linked medical plan, A-Plus Health has the following benefits not available for the standalone A-Life Med Regular



1.  Health Wallet, that credits your plan with RM$ an equivalent to 0.1%  based on the plan you choose if no claims are made during the period. This credit can be used for few Benefits not provided under the medical plan including consultation for mental health.


2.  Protection Boost, which can be utilised if your annual limits is fully used or payout upon death.


3.  Extra Care, provides optical support and limited maternity benefits.

It also starts with a high annual limit, given the constantly increasing medical cost.
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How big is the protection boost?
Need to top up when you want to use it?
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QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Dec 31 2019, 02:30 PM)
Age : 29

For Zurich Takafool
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 300K
36 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 100K)

For PruBSN WarisanPlus

Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K...If die in accident like car...double the amount...
43 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 300K)
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Covered HIV Due To Blood Transfusion
And Covered Occupationally Acquired HIV

Nowadays many this case???

43 critical illness included this.........

What means occupationally acquired hiv?

Your collague transmitted to you?
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QUOTE(cofin @ Dec 31 2019, 01:09 PM)
no leh less than 32 ....is the insurance agent kelong me ?

Coz when i buy he ask me what is your budget i say rm350 ...then sell me rm1mil medical card rm350 per month
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Hi cofin, I did a similar quotation. For your budget, you can get a pretty comprehensive coverage for your medical card which covers up to 90 years old. Whether or not your agent kelong you, I will need to have a look at your policy. One of the important fine prints in the policy is the sustainability factor. Usually in some insurance companies, they can quote a policy with low premium because their sustainability is low and policy holders will get surprise price hike when their cash value reaches 0.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 31 2019, 01:52 PM)
Any medical card these days that cover normal clinic visits .. and normal specialist visits , generally including consultation, medication, procedures, etc.. but doesn't fall under 36 critical illness

Which insurance cover the following :

1. riding a motorbike, fell down, broke an arm, put into cast, no hospitalisation.. what can be claimed ?

2. high fever , suspected dengue , refer hospital for observation , after one day discharge after fever subside ... not dengue

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Hi gooroojee, any outpatients (normal clinic visits without overnight in hospital) is not claimable under medical card unless the reason is caused by accident. Usually, for normal clinic visit, some companies you work for do offer panel clinic which you can claim under your company medical benefits.

1. Accident during riding motorbike without hospitalisation can claim under medical card. The maximum claimable amount is usually around RM3,000 in this scenario.

2. Yes, claimable. As long as admitted to hospital and stayed overnight. Any treatment within 90 days after hospitalisation is also claimable.

QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Dec 31 2019, 02:30 PM)
Age : 29

For Zurich Takafool
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 300K
36 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 100K)

For PruBSN WarisanPlus

Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K...If die in accident like car...double the amount...
43 Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty if claim, so left RM 300K)
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Interesting. That means you have 2 policies which function as income replacement/debt cancellation.

Total life/TPD: 800k
Critical Illness: 400k

I would say you are quite good in coverage if there is anything happen to you from now on. Do you happen to have family/loans which is the reason why you bought these policies?

QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 02:45 PM)
I bought Great Eastern.

Medical - RM 350 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 50k
Medical coverage - RM 900k, increase Rm90k every 3 years if no claim
R&B - Rm 150 per night

Life - RM 400 per month
Death/Total and permanent disability (TPD) - RM 500K, if Accident Death x 2, Public conveyance x 3, Oversea accident x 4.
Critical Illness - RM 200K (Deductible from Death/Permanent Disabilty)
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Hi WeiLoonChuak, hmm, I'm a Great Eastern agent myself and I don't think that the annual medical coverage limit will increase by 10% every 3 years if there is no claim.

I believe it refers to another rider which increases the Room & Board by 10% every 3 years instead of increasing your annual medical coverage limit. Also, R&B RM150 per night is not eligible for this rider. I strongly advise to discuss this with your agent on this respect since there might be some misunderstanding. Or you may send me your policy summary for a review.

For your second policy, which functions as a income replacement/debt cancellation, I think it is alright. However, I usually quote 500k for life and 500k for critical illness. For Great Eastern SPLM policy, I don't think that Critical Illness is deductible from Life/TPD. Life and CI are independent of each other in this policy for GE.

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Hi cofin, I did a similar quotation. For your budget, you can get a pretty comprehensive coverage for your medical card which covers up to 90 years old. Whether or not your agent kelong you, I will need to have a look at your policy. One of the important fine prints in the policy is the sustainability factor. Usually in some insurance companies, they can quote a policy with low premium because their sustainability is low and policy holders will get surprise price hike when their cash value reaches 0.
Hi gooroojee, any outpatients (normal clinic visits without overnight in hospital) is not claimable under medical card unless the reason is caused by accident. Usually, for normal clinic visit, some companies you work for do offer panel clinic which you can claim under your company medical benefits.

1. Accident during riding motorbike without hospitalisation can claim under medical card. The maximum claimable amount is usually around RM3,000 in this scenario.

2. Yes, claimable. As long as admitted to hospital and stayed overnight. Any treatment within 90 days after hospitalisation is also claimable.
Interesting. That means you have 2 policies which function as income replacement/debt cancellation.

Total life/TPD: 800k
Critical Illness: 400k

I would say you are quite good in coverage if there is anything happen to you from now on. Do you happen to have family/loans which is the reason why you bought these policies?
Hi WeiLoonChuak, hmm, I'm a Great Eastern agent myself and I don't think that the annual medical coverage limit will increase by 10% every 3 years if there is no claim.

I believe it refers to another rider which increases the Room & Board by 10% every 3 years instead of increasing your annual medical coverage limit. Also, R&B RM150 per night is not eligible for this rider. I strongly advise to discuss this with your agent on this respect since there might be some misunderstanding. Or you may send me your policy summary for a review.

For your second policy, which functions as a income replacement/debt cancellation, I think it is alright. However, I usually quote 500k for life and 500k for critical illness. For Great Eastern SPLM policy, I don't think that Critical Illness is deductible from Life/TPD. Life and CI are independent of each other in this policy for GE.
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Hi sir.

Kindly provide contact for sexy young GE agent moi for further discussion on insurance plan.

Thank you sir and have a nice day.
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Ini topic mod can pin

but i iz like all /k here

i iz bodo

just tell me which medical insurance gooding and cheap

currently now prudential takaful 200 bucks, dont know what they cover.

kind of scared because heard got insurance will taichi puting beliung dont want to cover

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Dec 31 2019, 09:22 AM)
Hehe... Pls show me term insurance which covers all life, tpd, ci, rnb, med, and cost less than ILP min funding.

I'll wait.
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Dude, I have been talked to you since like 2013, you haven't bought it?
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 31 2019, 07:03 PM)
Hi sir.

Kindly provide contact for sexy young GE agent moi for further discussion on insurance plan.

Thank you sir and have a nice day.
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QUOTE(raymancantona @ Dec 31 2019, 07:09 PM)
Ini topic mod can pin

but i iz like all /k here

i iz bodo

just tell me which medical insurance gooding and cheap

currently now prudential takaful 200 bucks, dont know what they cover.

kind of scared because heard got insurance will taichi puting beliung dont want to cover
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Usually you won't go wrong with the big 3 giants in insurance, i.e Great Eastern, AIA and Prudential. It depends on the agents because many agents simply don't understand their clients needs and the products well enough.

Great Eastern RM200 per month can be quoted for a comprehensive medical card with early stage CI included.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Dec 31 2019, 08:20 PM)
Later leng lui agent kelong u kao kao oh
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I dont have any insurance yet. At least kena scammed by amoi hnggg better than kena scammed by ahpek.
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I dont have any insurance yet. At least kena scammed by amoi hnggg better than kena scammed by ahpek.
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Sounds like you had a bad experience with insurance agents. Not all agents carry the intention to scam people.
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Sounds like you had a bad experience with insurance agents. Not all agents carry the intention to scam people.
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Nope i dont have bad experience with insurance agent. I dont even have a plan yet.
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kalau pandai susun duit, ILP shouldnt be a problem

im using ILP, in fact all my siblings subs to ILP

already received benefit from it in terms of claims.
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lel

Investment linked package mine i pay RM300 monthy

Obviously you can't expect much since is only like RM100 a month but you can still withdraw. Not sure if your agent told you

At least 10 years to withdraw to see fruitful $. At least few k

Investment linked plan means you are investing. Therefore got untung.

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QUOTE(zeist @ Dec 31 2019, 09:01 PM)
lel

Investment linked package mine i pay RM300 monthy

Obviously you can't expect much since is only like RM100 a month but you can still withdraw. Not sure if your agent told you

At least 10 years to withdraw to see fruitful $. At least few k

Investment linked plan means you are investing. Therefore got untung.
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I paid rm200 monthly for 20 years for ILP... So total put in rm48k.. as of now surrender value is only rm24k or so...

Just my personal experience... never claimed anything
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 31 2019, 09:08 PM)
I paid rm200 monthly for 20 years for ILP... So total put in rm48k.. as of now surrender value is only rm24k or so...

Just my personal experience... never claimed anything
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For investment linked package, ro get a good deal fpr tour medical usually RM300 onwards. Anything below your medical card don't think can get 100k annually. Maybe 50k only

Different policy type different rate and package
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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Dec 31 2019, 12:04 PM)
so better get term insurance for med card instead of investment linked?
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Yes, separate them because they are two very different things.

You are the best person to handle your investment, to be honest. Even if you don't, even an EPF average of 6% will do its magic for you.

There are medical cards that goes up to 99/100 years old. Such medical card should last a while.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 06:31 PM)
Aia public takaful???

Parents plus 3 children?
Per month rm567?
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Yes sir. The package is for up to 4 kids but I have only 3. Could have maximise the card more hahahha. Also all these while we only used the card once due to my youngest kena Influenza A. Have to be thankful since no sakit, but then you pay the peace of mind I guesss
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Get hybrid version.. some insurance takaful provider now already initiating this concept

no need to spend so much for insurance.
Co coverage as deductible + additional coverage by insurance.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Dec 31 2019, 09:33 PM)
Yes sir. The package is for up to 4 kids but I have only 3. Could have maximise the card more hahahha. Also all these while we only used the card once due to my youngest kena Influenza A. Have to be thankful since no sakit, but then you pay the peace of mind I guesss
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Can intro ur agent ? Wanna stop my prubsn and take this ....now paying almost 1k monthly for whole family (3kids)
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 06:45 PM)
Covered HIV Due To Blood Transfusion
And Covered Occupationally Acquired HIV

Nowadays many this case???

43 critical illness included this.........

What means occupationally acquired hiv?

Your collague transmitted to you?
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Ayam not sure...i think for occupationally acquired HIV is related to those who are working as health worker like nurses or MA who might got infeected by hiv by other means...ie accidentally hiv blood is spill/in contact with the victim ahaha
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Dec 31 2019, 06:59 PM)

Interesting. That means you have 2 policies which function as income replacement/debt cancellation.

Total life/TPD: 800k
Critical Illness: 400k

I would say you are quite good in coverage if there is anything happen to you from now on. Do you happen to have family/loans which is the reason why you bought these policies?
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My family dont have any debt significant (like house/car loan) anymore...only got F&B business related debt which i think below RM100k...nah i only bought the plan early so that the premium pay is lower... laugh.gif

FYI im a smoker...i can see the premium fee calculation factor/coefficient for a smoker is really high....i see the coefficient for woman smoker is really damn high compared to the man smoker sweat.gif
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 06:43 PM)
How big is the protection boost?
Need to top up when you want to use it?
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The Protection Boost comes from the unutilised 0.1% that is credited for every year no claims are made against the medical plan, for a maximum of 10 times. How big the amount depends on the chosen plan; a RM2mil plan gives a higher amount compared to a RM500k plan (of course higher plan you pay higher premium). There are no option to top up.
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Why plan getting more and more complicated? Rider lah deductible lah.
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 31 2019, 09:08 PM)
I paid rm200 monthly for 20 years for ILP... So total put in rm48k.. as of now surrender value is only rm24k or so...

Just my personal experience... never claimed anything
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The difference would have being deducted for the insurance cost which is based on what coverage and riders that you have included. You should do a review with your agent if your riders are still relevant or too high.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 06:31 PM)
Aia public takaful???

Parents plus 3 children?
Per month rm567?
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Dec 31 2019, 09:33 PM)
Yes sir. The package is for up to 4 kids but I have only 3. Could have maximise the card more hahahha. Also all these while we only used the card once due to my youngest kena Influenza A. Have to be thankful since no sakit, but then you pay the peace of mind I guesss
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QUOTE(creep @ Dec 31 2019, 10:11 PM)
Can intro ur agent ? Wanna stop my prubsn and take this ....now paying almost 1k monthly for whole family (3kids)
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AXA eMedic.
Axa eMedic

Costs me RM348/month for family of 4..

Package includes Rm100,000/year hospitalisation limit for each individual.

Unlimited lifetime coverage.

Auto renewal.

Cashless admission. Axa pays everything if you are hospitalised.

RM250/day room-rates. Means I can afford a single suite at all the private hospitals.

Same list of health coverage as AIA/Prudential. Cancer, stroke, heart attacks, hospitalisation, etc..

overseas Brunei, & SG temporary travel coverage. Includes repatriation costs and overseas ambulance coverage.

etc.

Dont think twice.. just sign up and cancel all of your other plans..even those ILP.. you will be saving alot of $$$$$ over the long run.. this is a no brainer for me really..


Individual coverage, 200k rm/year, unlimited lifetime limit, auto renewal.. at only rm100/month..

Family or individual.. GET THIS PLAN ASAP.

This post has been edited by Liamness: Dec 31 2019, 11:48 PM
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Tldr: The brochure promised 5% to 9% return on investment but instead it was negative 5% for me, so you pandai-pandai la gamble your money.

I'm currently on an investment link plan by one of the big ones.
As far as I understand:
The amount of money I pay in premiums buy a certain number of unit trust managed by the insurance company.
The number of units I get depends on the current price of that trust.
The insurance company will then minus from these units the cost of my medical card, management fees and sales commissions.
The amount they minus will change based on the cost of your medical insurance etc.

The amount they charge you is fixed in RM, whereas the amount of money in your account depends on the price of the unit trust.

From the very start, they charge you the full amount. So even if your unit trust fail completely, every year you are paying enough to keep you covered. But you will be losing alot of money for nothing.

If your unit trust does very well, then there is a chance you can still have coverage for few years even if you don't pay even one sen. Depends how many unit trust in your account and the price of each in RM.

For me, the unit trust that I bought with this insurance hasn't been doing well. In the brochure they promise me 5-9%, whereas this one was negative 5. So I'm going for standalone medical instead and I invest in something that gives guaranteed returns, like a regular bank.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Dec 31 2019, 11:39 PM)
AXA eMedic.
Axa eMedic

Costs me RM348/month for family of 4..

Package includes Rm100,000/year hospitalisation limit for each individual.

Unlimited lifetime coverage.

Auto renewal.

Cashless admission. Axa pays everything if you are hospitalised.

RM250/day room-rates. Means I can afford a single suite at all the private hospitals.

Same list of health coverage as AIA/Prudential. Cancer, stroke, heart attacks, hospitalisation, etc..

overseas Brunei, & SG temporary travel coverage. Includes repatriation costs and overseas ambulance coverage.

etc.

Dont think twice.. just sign up and cancel all of your other plans..even those ILP.. you will be saving alot of $$$$$ over the long run.. this is a no brainer for me really..
Individual coverage, 200k rm/year, unlimited lifetime limit, auto renewal.. at only rm100/month..

Family or individual.. GET THIS PLAN ASAP.
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Same rate until die ?
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Dec 31 2019, 08:20 PM)
Later leng lui agent kelong u kao kao oh
Usually you won't go wrong with the big 3 giants in insurance, i.e Great Eastern, AIA and Prudential. It depends on the agents because many agents simply don't understand their clients needs and the products well enough.

Great Eastern RM200 per month can be quoted for a comprehensive medical card with early stage CI included.
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How about allianz????


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QUOTE(maxera @ Dec 31 2019, 10:58 PM)
Prudential BSN
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You buy this company medical insurance?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 31 2019, 09:24 PM)
Yes, separate them because they are two very different things.

You are the best person to handle your investment, to be honest. Even if you don't, even an EPF average of 6% will do its magic for you.

There are medical cards that goes up to 99/100 years old. Such medical card should last a while.
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Do uou know which standalone medical card plan have coverage until age 99??


And which one have big coverage???

Many ilp have big coverage and until age 99.
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 1 2020, 01:52 AM)
Same rate until die ?
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Not sure. But it doesnt increase much i think.
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 31 2019, 08:46 PM)
Nope i dont have bad experience with insurance agent. I dont even have a plan yet.
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I see. Without basic protection, you might need to fork out hefty medical fees (if anything happens to you) or buy even more expensive plans for yourself in the future.

If every month you are able to save around RM300, it’s better to buy yourself the most basic form of protection, i.e. medical card.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 31 2019, 09:08 PM)
I paid rm200 monthly for 20 years for ILP... So total put in rm48k.. as of now surrender value is only rm24k or so...

Just my personal experience... never claimed anything
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You need to know that the purpose of insurance mainly is for protection. The idea of getting returns on investment linked products is a wrong concept to begin with.

Also, eventually all cash value in ILP will become zero due to increasing insurance charges. How fast it goes to zero depends on the sustainability of the policy which is designed by your agent.

As for your case on why the cash value is not up to par, I suspect that 1) your agent designed a maximum protection policy for you, hence a lower portion for investment, 2) the fund performance of the insurance company is not doing well, 3) sustainability is too low, your premium of RM200 is not sufficient to cover the insurance charges, hence the cash in your ILP is used to cover the remaining cost.

QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 31 2019, 09:24 PM)
Yes, separate them because they are two very different things.

You are the best person to handle your investment, to be honest. Even if you don't, even an EPF average of 6% will do its magic for you.

There are medical cards that goes up to 99/100 years old. Such medical card should last a while.
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Standalone medical card we usually propose to clients who have really low budget or already too old. In such medical card, there will be no life/TPD, no CI and no cash value. Clients will have to fork out another few hundred in the future to buy a life/CI insurance for this purpose. But if using ILP, at least you are getting a protection of everything included.

QUOTE(gogocan @ Dec 31 2019, 10:04 PM)
Get hybrid version.. some insurance takaful provider now already initiating this concept

no need to spend so much for insurance.
Co coverage as deductible + additional coverage by insurance.
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Co-insurance is something agents would propose to clients who are old with super limited budget. This is because in the future when clients need to do claims from hospital will get shocked by co-insurance bills and expected everything to be free.

QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Dec 31 2019, 10:48 PM)
My family dont have any debt significant (like house/car loan) anymore...only got F&B business related debt which i think below RM100k...nah i only bought the plan early so that the premium pay is lower... laugh.gif

FYI im a smoker...i can see the premium fee calculation factor/coefficient for a smoker is really high....i see the coefficient for woman smoker is really damn high compared to the man smoker  sweat.gif
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I see. They are very good plans and you are very well protected if anything happens. You can use the money to get treated in the best hospitals in the world if you want to.



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QUOTE(Liamness @ Dec 31 2019, 11:39 PM)
AXA eMedic.
Axa eMedic

Costs me RM348/month for family of 4..

Package includes Rm100,000/year hospitalisation limit for each individual.

Unlimited lifetime coverage.

Auto renewal.

Cashless admission. Axa pays everything if you are hospitalised.

RM250/day room-rates. Means I can afford a single suite at all the private hospitals.

Same list of health coverage as AIA/Prudential. Cancer, stroke, heart attacks, hospitalisation, etc..

overseas Brunei, & SG temporary travel coverage. Includes repatriation costs and overseas ambulance coverage.

etc.

Dont think twice.. just sign up and cancel all of your other plans..even those ILP.. you will be saving alot of $$$$$ over the long run.. this is a no brainer for me really..
Individual coverage, 200k rm/year, unlimited lifetime limit, auto renewal.. at only rm100/month..

Family or individual.. GET THIS PLAN ASAP.
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Hi Liamness, the plan you mentioned I believe it's a standalone medical card. GE also has such plans and can be done less than RM100 a month depending on age per individual with much higher annual limit. As argued above, agents won't usually propose such plans because the protection is just inadequate for today's individual needs.

QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 1 2020, 12:11 AM)
Tldr: The brochure promised 5% to 9% return on investment but instead it was negative 5% for me, so you pandai-pandai la gamble your money.

I'm currently on an investment link plan by one of the big ones.
As far as I understand:
The amount of money I pay in premiums buy a certain number of unit trust managed by the insurance company.
The number of units I get depends on the current price of that trust.
The insurance company will then minus from these units the cost of my medical card, management fees and sales commissions.
The amount they minus will change based on the cost of your medical insurance etc.

The amount they charge you is fixed in RM, whereas the amount of money in your account depends on the price of the unit trust.

From the very start, they charge you the full amount. So even if your unit trust fail completely, every year you are paying enough to keep you covered. But you will be losing alot of money for nothing.

If your unit trust does very well, then there is a chance you can still have coverage for few years even if you don't pay even one sen. Depends how many unit trust in your account and the price of each in RM.

For me, the unit trust that I bought with this insurance hasn't been doing well. In the brochure they promise me 5-9%, whereas this one was negative 5. So I'm going for standalone medical instead and I invest in something that gives guaranteed returns, like a regular bank.
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The performance of unit trusts also depends on the type of unit trusts you bought. Some unit trusts are higher risk than others, (eg equity fund) and hence more volatile. There are agents who would opt for the highest risk unit trust without telling the client because they can quote a lower premium and close the deal.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 1 2020, 01:52 AM)
Same rate until die ?
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Not necessarily same rate. Standalone medical card will increase price every 5 years.
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You need to know that the purpose of insurance mainly is for protection. The idea of getting returns on investment linked products is a wrong concept to begin with.

Also, eventually all cash value in ILP will become zero due to increasing insurance charges. How fast it goes to zero depends on the sustainability of the policy which is designed by your agent.

As for your case on why the cash value is not up to par, I suspect that 1) your agent designed a maximum protection policy for you, hence a lower portion for investment, 2) the fund performance of the insurance company is not doing well, 3) sustainability is too low, your premium of RM200 is not sufficient to cover the insurance charges, hence the cash in your ILP is used to cover the remaining cost.
Yes just sharing one experience .. see how others view this .. I don't know and as such am not in a position to say it's good or bad.. if I can remember a conversation 20 years ago, it's something like.. after 20-30 years the cash value is enough to stop paying premium and stay covered until I die... Something like that.. I can't imagine continue paying such sums after I retire...

QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jan 1 2020, 12:17 PM)
Not necessarily same rate. Standalone medical card will increase price every 5 years.
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Yeah I think that's the scary part about medical cards, they increase exponentially.. until they are freaking expensive like when you're 60-80, and then they no longer cover you at a certain point (is it medical coverage until 99 years old now?)

How much is a medical card for someone 70 years old?
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jan 1 2020, 12:17 PM)
Hi Liamness, the plan you mentioned I believe it's a standalone medical card. GE also has such plans and can be done less than RM100 a month depending on age per individual with much higher annual limit. As argued above, agents won't usually propose such plans because the protection is just inadequate for today's individual needs.
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Typical insurance agent Bullshit..

What part is inadequate? GE doesnt have any plan coverage for family of 4. Show me a family package of 4 people that doesnt cost more than RM400 per month and each individual has at least rm100k/year, unlimited lifetime limit and auto renewal.

And covers all major illnesses including cancer, tumour, heart attack, stroke, etc..

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 1 2020, 12:52 PM)
Typical insurance agent Bullshit..

What part is inadequate? GE doesnt have any plan coverage for family of 4. Show me a family package of 4 people that doesnt cost more than RM400 per month and each individual has at least rm100k/year, unlimited lifetime limit and auto renewal.

And covers all major illnesses including cancer, tumour, heart attack, stroke, etc..
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I think he's a bull too.

Now, he wanna look for clients here, so call himself GE agent.

We need perspectives from public people, not from him as agent.

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QUOTE(djtong @ Jan 1 2020, 12:11 AM)
Tldr: The brochure promised 5% to 9% return on investment but instead it was negative 5% for me, so you pandai-pandai la gamble your money.

I'm currently on an investment link plan by one of the big ones.
As far as I understand:
The amount of money I pay in premiums buy a certain number of unit trust managed by the insurance company.
The number of units I get depends on the current price of that trust.
The insurance company will then minus from these units the cost of my medical card, management fees and sales commissions.
The amount they minus will change based on the cost of your medical insurance etc.

The amount they charge you is fixed in RM, whereas the amount of money in your account depends on the price of the unit trust.

From the very start, they charge you the full amount. So even if your unit trust fail completely, every year you are paying enough to keep you covered. But you will be losing alot of money for nothing.

If your unit trust does very well, then there is a chance you can still have coverage for few years even if you don't pay even one sen. Depends how many unit trust in your account and the price of each in RM.

For me, the unit trust that I bought with this insurance hasn't been doing well. In the brochure they promise me 5-9%, whereas this one was negative 5. So I'm going for standalone medical instead and I invest in something that gives guaranteed returns, like a regular bank.
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GE boy, why you no explain fake info by the brochure, stop blaming agents liao. When brochure promises so, why blame agent????

So clever, later, one day, will blame client no read fine prints ah, didn't read, just sign, and listen agents talk cock sing song play ping pong ah...Ah hahahahaha.


QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jan 1 2020, 12:16 PM)


Also, eventually all cash value in ILP will become zero due to increasing insurance charges. How fast it goes to zero depends on the sustainability of the policy which is designed by your agent.


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GE boy, if so, why called investment linked product. You know what is investment? Investment means hopefully one day when reach ah gong ah ma time, the money grows to be bigger. If it becomes zero, then should call IBZ product = INVESTMENT BECOMES ZERO product. Like that won't sounds deceitful mah.

Oh wait, you may say some UT does well. But But. I am addressing those that EVENTUALLY THEY WILL ALL BECOME ZERO VALUE PRODUCT. Why still call ILP?


"Insurance agents end of the day want their commission, nothing about you getting the right lifestyle of best suited insurance/medical card"[I] Even can praise smokers saying they will get best treatment because they are covered well, lol. Where is the please stop smoking advice.

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You buy this company medical insurance?
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yeah rm199 per month. the coverage quite good including the takaful savings.
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AXA eMedic.
Axa eMedic

Costs me RM348/month for family of 4..

Package includes Rm100,000/year hospitalisation limit for each individual.

Unlimited lifetime coverage.

Auto renewal.

Cashless admission. Axa pays everything if you are hospitalised.

RM250/day room-rates. Means I can afford a single suite at all the private hospitals.

Same list of health coverage as AIA/Prudential. Cancer, stroke, heart attacks, hospitalisation, etc..

overseas Brunei, & SG temporary travel coverage. Includes repatriation costs and overseas ambulance coverage.

etc.

Dont think twice.. just sign up and cancel all of your other plans..even those ILP.. you will be saving alot of $$$$$ over the long run.. this is a no brainer for me really..
Individual coverage, 200k rm/year, unlimited lifetime limit, auto renewal.. at only rm100/month..

Family or individual.. GET THIS PLAN ASAP.
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I checked the link on this product.. medical only cover until you age 49... So what happens after that?

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 1 2020, 12:32 PM)
Yes just sharing one experience .. see how others view this .. I don't know and as such am not in a position to say it's good or bad.. if I can remember a conversation 20 years ago, it's something like.. after 20-30 years the cash value is enough to stop paying premium and stay covered until I die... Something like that.. I can't imagine continue paying such sums after I retire...
Yeah I think that's the scary part about medical cards, they increase exponentially.. until they are freaking expensive like when you're 60-80, and then they no longer cover you at a certain point (is it medical coverage until 99 years old now?)

How much is a medical card for someone 70 years old?
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Yes. Cash value for no matter which ILP from any insurance company will become 0 in the end. If the sustainability is high, that means the price hike will only come at 80 years old instead of 60 years old. Which is why cheaper insurance doesn't necessarily mean a good thing for the client. The client will have to pay for the difference in the end.

The cheapest standalone medical card for 70 years old, with 90k annual limit and no lifetime limit, is RM5k per year. For the next 5 years, it would be RM7.5k per year. And for the subsequent 5 years, it would be 11k per year. So this is how standalone medical card works without ILP. You can do the maths if the person continues to live.

This is why insurance is something a person must buy whenever is able to at the youngest age (Only applies to ILP due to compound interest in cash value).

QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 1 2020, 12:52 PM)
Typical insurance agent Bullshit..

What part is inadequate? GE doesnt have any plan coverage for family of 4. Show me a family package of 4 people that doesnt cost more than RM400 per month and each individual has at least rm100k/year, unlimited lifetime limit and auto renewal.

And covers all major illnesses including cancer, tumour, heart attack, stroke, etc..
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It's true that GE doesn't have a family package. I believe the rationale behind this is that different people have different needs at different life stages. Some prefer to get more protection, some less.

Based on the AXA eMedic fact sheet, I think it's a great standalone medical card for its price. However, looking at the inflation rate in medical industry which is more than 10% every year, RM100k/year is not going to be sufficient for serious illnesses. GE can do the very same standalone card for less than RM100 per month for an individual but with 1.2 mil annual limit and no lifetime limit.

As for the inadequacy of a standalone medical card, I would say that it doesn't come with any life/TPD/CI coverage. If you happened to die in an accident, or you managed stay healthy up to old age without having the need to visit a hospital, the premium you paid for standalone medical card is wasted. At least with ILP, you are getting your sum assured back if you get CI or you can pass the money to your next of kin if you pass away.

QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 1 2020, 01:43 PM)
GE boy, why you no explain fake info by the brochure, stop blaming agents liao. When brochure promises so, why blame agent????

So clever, later, one day, will blame client no read fine prints ah, didn't read, just sign, and listen agents talk cock sing song play ping pong ah...Ah hahahahaha.
GE boy, if so, why called investment linked product. You know what is investment? Investment means hopefully one day when reach ah gong ah ma time, the money grows to be bigger. If it becomes zero, then should call IBZ product = INVESTMENT BECOMES ZERO product. Like that won't sounds deceitful mah.

Oh wait, you may say some UT does well. But But. I am addressing those that EVENTUALLY THEY WILL ALL BECOME ZERO VALUE PRODUCT. Why still call ILP?
"Insurance agents end of the day want their commission, nothing about you getting the right lifestyle of best suited insurance/medical card"[I] Even can praise smokers saying they will get best treatment because they are covered well, lol. Where is the please stop smoking advice.
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I am just trying to explain, considering the number of misconceptions about insurance in this thread.

For the performance of unit trust, it's dependent on the type of unit trust. If the client cannot accept high risk with volatile returns, I would advise to go for a fixed income fund which is the most stable of all.

Yes, ILP will become 0 in the end to prevent the premium from increasing a few thousand RM every 5 years like the illustration above about standalone medical card. Because it is investment-based, it comes with flexibility that you can choose to withdraw some of the money if you have any emergency needs but for standalone, you must continue to pay whether you like it or not.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 1 2020, 02:47 PM)
I checked the link on this product.. medical only cover until you age 49... So what happens after that?
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I have read the AXA eMedic fact sheet. The 49 years old refers to the age limit who can buy this policy. Any older than 49 will have to opt for other policies. AXA eMedic covers up to 80 years old only.

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got any medical card only fo Permanant Disability?
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QUOTE(Ash muhammad 28 @ Jan 2 2020, 11:40 AM)
got any medical card only fo Permanant Disability?
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No, there is no medical card for permanent disability. Permanent disability is a condition you cannot do your daily work. You can have insurance to pay you when you are not able to work due to permanent disability. Medical card will pay your hospital bills, accident and illness.
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QUOTE(focusrite @ Jan 2 2020, 02:17 PM)
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already claim close aroud 70k so quite worth it
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Ilp or standalone???


What deceases?
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Ilp or standalone???
What deceases?
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i have no idea what any of that means


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rm200 allianz

already claim close aroud 70k so quite worth it
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What did you claim for ?
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What did you claim for ?
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Knee surgery 2 times

Few years apart.
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Knee surgery 2 times

Few years apart.
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Yeah.. that's why insurance is a must.. but the scary thing is paying a lot and then claim got problem.. exclusions, preexisting conditions, terms and conditions...
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Yeah.. that's why insurance is a must.. but the scary thing is paying a lot and then claim got problem.. exclusions, preexisting conditions, terms and conditions...
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My aunty is my agent so feel more relax haha
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i have no idea what any of that means
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what is your medical plan name???
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what is your medical plan name???
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I have no idea
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jan 1 2020, 04:02 PM)
Yes. Cash value for no matter which ILP from any insurance company will become 0 in the end. If the sustainability is high, that means the price hike will only come at 80 years old instead of 60 years old. Which is why cheaper insurance doesn't necessarily mean a good thing for the client. The client will have to pay for the difference in the end.

The cheapest standalone medical card for 70 years old, with 90k annual limit and no lifetime limit, is RM5k per year. For the next 5 years, it would be RM7.5k per year. And for the subsequent 5 years, it would be 11k per year. So this is how standalone medical card works without ILP. You can do the maths if the person continues to live.

This is why insurance is something a person must buy whenever is able to at the youngest age (Only applies to ILP due to compound interest in cash value).
It's true that GE doesn't have a family package. I believe the rationale behind this is that different people have different needs at different life stages. Some prefer to get more protection, some less.

Based on the AXA eMedic fact sheet, I think it's a great standalone medical card for its price. However, looking at the inflation rate in medical industry which is more than 10% every year, RM100k/year is not going to be sufficient for serious illnesses. GE can do the very same standalone card for less than RM100 per month for an individual but with 1.2 mil annual limit and no lifetime limit.

As for the inadequacy of a standalone medical card, I would say that it doesn't come with any life/TPD/CI coverage. If you happened to die in an accident, or you managed stay healthy up to old age without having the need to visit a hospital, the premium you paid for standalone medical card is wasted. At least with ILP, you are getting your sum assured back if you get CI or you can pass the money to your next of kin if you pass away.
I am just trying to explain, considering the number of misconceptions about insurance in this thread.

For the performance of unit trust, it's dependent on the type of unit trust. If the client cannot accept high risk with volatile returns, I would advise to go for a fixed income fund which is the most stable of all.

Yes, ILP will become 0 in the end to prevent the premium from increasing a few thousand RM every 5 years like the illustration above about standalone medical card. Because it is investment-based, it comes with flexibility that you can choose to withdraw some of the money if you have any emergency needs but for standalone, you must continue to pay whether you like it or not.
I have read the AXA eMedic fact sheet. The 49 years old refers to the age limit who can buy this policy. Any older than 49 will have to opt for other policies. AXA eMedic covers up to 80 years old only.
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This is correct. Last entry age is 49. But cover till 80. 100k with 250 room. Very low monthly. A good add one or good min coverage. If u need 1mil a year. U might be dead already.
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QUOTE(thepark @ Jan 6 2020, 06:08 AM)
This is correct. Last entry age is 49. But cover till 80. 100k with 250 room. Very low monthly. A good add one or good min coverage. If u need 1mil a year. U might be dead already.
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But 100k coverage enough meh?
Nowadays medical fees very high
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QUOTE(Hardcore Leveling Warrior @ Dec 31 2019, 09:12 AM)
The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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Me past 3 years - yes correct
Me now - nope. That is the best plan. Why? Because stand alone medical card premium will go up. With investment link, it will help to sustain your premium where usually if premium go up, they will just take from the investment so that u can enjoy same/low increase of premium until the end.

Been there.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Jan 6 2020, 07:34 AM)
Me past 3 years - yes correct
Me now - nope. That is the best plan. Why? Because stand alone medical card premium will go up. With investment link, it will help to sustain your premium where usually if premium go up, they will just take from the investment so that u can enjoy same/low increase of premium until the end.

Been there.
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So what medical plan you have now???


If the ilp mutual fund not doing well,later you need to top up your premium or not?
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So what medical plan you have now???
If the ilp mutual fund not doing well,later you need to top up your premium or not?
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I changed to medical + life + investment now. Not sure how it works in detail but ofcourse need to topup if the investment not performing but not 100% will cover by me alone. Some will take from the investment. They didnt tell me but i ask them this question last time and they nod. so, i set the investment the lowest just enough to cover the premium in case need to topup premium
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I changed to medical + life + investment now. Not sure how it works in detail but ofcourse need to topup if the investment not performing but not 100% will cover by me alone. Some will take from the investment. They didnt tell me but i ask them this question last time and they nod. so, i set the investment the lowest just enough to cover the premium in case need to topup premium
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What company???
How many percentage you set???
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What company???
How many percentage you set???
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Forgot ady what percentage but he give me minimum. Dont be too excited coz my yearly coverage is quite low. Around 100k annually but to me its enough for now. This u can set. I going to increase it once reach 35 yo. Maybe around 500k. I took etiqa under maybank.
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Forgot ady what percentage but he give me minimum. Dont be too excited coz my yearly coverage is quite low. Around 100k annually but to me its enough for now. This u can set. I going to increase it once reach 35 yo. Maybe around 500k. I took etiqa under maybank.
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Can change the limit every year???

So special
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Can change the limit every year???

So special
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That what they told last time. I can increase the limit in future they said but didn't specifically told the procedures and t&c
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QUOTE(thepark @ Jan 6 2020, 06:08 AM)
This is correct. Last entry age is 49. But cover till 80. 100k with 250 room. Very low monthly. A good add one or good min coverage. If u need 1mil a year. U might be dead already.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 6 2020, 07:32 AM)
But 100k coverage enough meh?
Nowadays medical fees very high
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1 mil is usually the recommended annual limit nowadays. It is meant for future protection as medical inflation is increasing every year by at least 10%. Also, for cancer treatments it can go up to 400k for treatment. At least you will know that you have exhausted all the available options to survive if you had the right insurance. If only 100k, means you are choosing inferior medicine for yourself because of budget problems.

QUOTE(lol~ @ Jan 6 2020, 07:34 AM)
Me past 3 years - yes correct
Me now - nope. That is the best plan. Why? Because stand alone medical card premium will go up. With investment link, it will help to sustain your premium where usually if premium go up, they will just take from the investment so that u can enjoy same/low increase of premium until the end.

Been there.
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Yes. Thats the advantage of investment link. If a person bought a standalone at age 26, the premium per month is easily less than RM100 per month. But at age 70, it would skyrocket to RM1k per month. Also you won't be getting death benefit or any investment returns in standalone.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Jan 6 2020, 07:34 AM)
Me past 3 years - yes correct
Me now - nope. That is the best plan. Why? Because stand alone medical card premium will go up. With investment link, it will help to sustain your premium where usually if premium go up, they will just take from the investment so that u can enjoy same/low increase of premium until the end.

Been there.
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The cost of medical plan is generally the same, both for standalone and investment link. Any difference can probably to attributed to the additional features that you may find in the investment link product. In the standalone medical plan, the premium is fixed and as you age the premium increases, based on risk. In a investment link plan, you may be blinded on the actual cost of the medical plan that may form part of the investment link policy. Unlike standalone, for investment link, the insurer will set a minimum annual premium, say RM1800.

For a 30 old male, a 150 medical plan, annually will cost +-RM700. In a standalone plan, you pay only RM700, but in a investment link plan you will be paying premium of RM1800, but the cost of insurance for the same 150 plan would be approximately +-RM700. The balance, is invested on your behalf, assuming you did not have life insurance included. This invested portion is assumed will generate returns that will pay your medical plan when you are 60 year old and the cost of the medical plan has increased from RM700 (age 30,) to +-RM2,300 (age 60).
So, if you have a investment link plan, you hope that your investment has grown to cover the gap of RM 500. (2300-1800) and you still continue to pay annual premium of RM1,800. A person knowingly buying a standalone plan would have probably invested the difference (1800-700) in a unit trust or other investment that would have also grown for him to gladly pay RM2,300 when he is 60 years old.

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That what they told last time. I can increase the limit in future they said but didn't specifically told the procedures and t&c
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Be aware that it may be difficult for you to increase your coverage once you have made a claim.

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rm200 AIA, im 29 years old.

1.5mil p.a. till age 70

i know it sounds high at this moment, but i got 41 years till 70, and considering medical inflation, 1.5mil is not a lot of $$ 40 years down the road. My logic makes sense?

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rm200 AIA, im 29 years old.

1.5mil p.a. till age 70

i know it sounds high at this moment, but i got 41 years till 70, and considering medical inflation, 1.5mil is not a lot of $$ 40 years down the road. My logic makes sense?
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standalone or ilp???


this one until 85 years old

https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/crit...icalcare-i.html
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The cost of medical plan is generally the same, both for standalone and investment link. Any difference can probably to attributed to the additional features that you may find in the investment link product. In the standalone medical plan, the premium is fixed and as you age the premium increases, based on risk. In a investment link plan, you may be blinded on the actual cost of the medical plan that may form part of the investment link policy. Unlike standalone, for investment link, the insurer will set a minimum annual premium, say RM1800.

For a 30 old male, a 150 medical plan, annually will cost +-RM700. In a standalone plan, you pay only RM700, but in a investment link plan you will be paying premium of RM1800, but the cost of insurance for the same 150 plan would be approximately +-RM700. The balance, is invested on your behalf, assuming you did not have life insurance included. This invested portion is assumed will generate returns that will pay your medical plan when you are 60 year old and the cost of the medical plan has increased from RM700 (age 30,) to +-RM2,300 (age 60).
So, if you have a investment link plan, you hope that your investment has grown to cover the gap of RM 500. (2300-1800) and you still continue to pay annual premium of RM1,800. A person knowingly buying a standalone plan would have probably invested the difference (1800-700) in a unit trust or other investment that would have also grown for him to gladly pay RM2,300 when he is 60 years old.
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Ilp is susah dulu senang later
Standone is senang dulu susah later right???
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Why plan getting more and more complicated? Rider lah deductible lah.
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Covered HIV Due To Blood Transfusion
And Covered Occupationally Acquired HIV

Nowadays many this case???

43 critical illness included this.........



36 become 43 nowadays


Many penyakit
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Dec 31 2019, 09:10 AM)
Licensed Insurance Companies & Takaful Operators

No.  Name  Ownership
1 AIA Berhad
2 AXA Affin Life Insurance Berhad affin bank grouo
3 Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
4 AmMetLife Insurance Berhad ambank group
5 Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad  maybank group
6 Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad    bank simpanan nasional
7 Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad
8 Hong Leong Assurance Berhad  hong leong bank group
9 MCIS Insurance Berhad sanlam group
10 Manulife Insurance Berhad
11 Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad
12 Sunlife Malaysia Assurance Berhad
13 Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd
14 Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
15    Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Keluarga Berhad
But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?” After that, we think the five years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every five years, there is one rate, the next five years, there is a different rate to pay. Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”
That is how a

standalone medical card
is structured, and you must be prepared for that.
Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian =ILP medical card
Renewal Conditions
Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.
This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.
Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian = Standalone medical card
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Just bought online aia public takaful critical illness. 250k rm277 annually.


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better get the one without annual limit.. only lifetime limit
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Just bought online aia public takaful critical illness. 250k rm277 annually.
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Year limit 250k
Lifetime limit how much?
Bought from which website?


So ilp medical card plus critical illness???
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Year limit 250k
Lifetime limit how much?
Bought from which website?
So ilp medical card plus critical illness???
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Thisnis like term product lah. U hit any of ci, they pay 250k. Straightforward. Not medical card kind


Bought at aia website.

Not ilp. Just protection.


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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Jan 7 2020, 06:39 AM)
Ilp is susah dulu senang later
Standone is senang dulu susah later right???
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No, I won't describe it as senang dulu, senang later. Each would serve it's purpose for different groups of people with different needs. Some may find it less risky and more managable to pay a level premium through out the policy life.
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Jan 7 2020, 02:00 PM)
Thisnis like term product lah. U hit any of ci, they pay 250k. Straightforward. Not medical card kind
Bought at aia website.

Not ilp. Just protection.
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until age 65 only right???
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tutup buku la.

like insurance you are paying money per annum in order to get some protected value, this is what the called as sum covered. this is not like traditional saving like it you put rm2000 in a year, you are getting interest on thosse saving, the sum covered is like i give you do this amount fund from the start, so every year you pay me principal+interest, if every year got untung, i let you keep the untung. after the policy matured, i give you the agreed sum covered + bonus.

bahasa mudah, i give you loan for this amount, you pay me every year/month. since the loan amount is kept by me, i manage the fund for you, if got untung, i give you some, after 20 years, i give you hefty money, but we are done now.

make sense?
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but you get insurance coverage during the tenure + possible bonus. unlike traitional savings that you can only get interest.
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standalone or ilp???
this one until 85 years old

https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/crit...icalcare-i.html
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i was told by the agent that it is ILP but returns are used to offset premium. Standalone apparently was much more expensive.
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until age 65 only right???
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Till age 70.
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until age 65 only right???
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i was told by the agent that it is ILP but returns are used to offset premium. Standalone apparently was much more expensive.
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return like shit for what
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I think almost all medical card / assurance is same.
I using Allianz which offered cover 150 critical illness conditions, including early critical illness (C.I.)
I remember Great Eastern is almost similar.

Most you want to check is:
1. Guarantee renew
2. Make sure critical illness included early stage
3. Room & boarding $$
4. Other terms & conditions that will reduce your benefits.

Then for those plan, you can consult with your agent, on higher or lower the value, e.g. lower my Life, and higher my C.I..

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I think almost all medical card / assurance is same.
I using Allianz which offered cover 150 critical illness conditions, including early C.I.
I remember Great Eastern is almost similar.

Most you want to check is:
1. Guarantee renew
2. Room & boarding $$
3. Other terms & conditions that will reduce your benefits.

Then for those plan, you can consult with your agent, on higher or lower the value, e.g. lower my Life, and higher my C.I..
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what is ci???



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what is ci???
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what is ci???
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Critical illness


QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 7 2020, 08:28 PM)
Cost of Insurance
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RM 200 above
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Can increase limit?
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return like shit for what
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Actually the ILP is not for the return. The percentage of investment in your premium is to sustain your policy to max year of maturity. So you don’t have to top up or add premium amount at certain period. 😊
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QUOTE(Allianz@hidayah @ Apr 27 2020, 12:36 PM)
Actually the ILP is not for the return. The percentage of investment in your premium is to sustain your policy to max year of maturity. So you don’t have to top up or add premium amount at certain period. 😊
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Yeah. If the return sucks.... Not if. The return always sucks
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AIA all the way
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why???
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My son - 22, was recently diagnosed with a mild case of proctitis. On medication now to see how it goes. Will this be an issue to obtain a medical card?
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I bought aia basic medical card only.. cover 100k per year.

Paid rm75 only.. i downgrade from aia plan 1mil cover per year.. its too heavy for me..need to pay rm260 permonth..
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My son - 22, was recently diagnosed with a mild case of proctitis. On medication now to see how it goes. Will this be an issue to obtain a medical card?
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No issues just apply but make sure you disclose the illness. The insurer will probably ask for medical report then they will decide whether to take you in or not. Maybe omit the coverage for proctitis.

QUOTE(ixaRA @ Dec 27 2021, 08:07 AM)
I bought aia basic medical card only.. cover 100k per year.

Paid rm75 only.. i downgrade from aia plan 1mil cover per year.. its too heavy for me..need to pay rm260 permonth..
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100k can do what? Cost of treatment will increase over time because of medical inflation. After some time the 100k coverage won't be enough. You see the viral covid cost treatment at private also can know dy
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I bought aia basic medical card only.. cover 100k per year.

Paid rm75 only.. i downgrade from aia plan 1mil cover per year.. its too heavy for me..need to pay rm260 permonth..
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can downgrade one ah?

Lifetime limit how much?
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can downgrade one ah?

Lifetime limit how much?
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Lifetime..unlimited
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The most stupid product is investment linked medical card.
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if they dont sell u investment-linked products they cannot hadiah-hadiah merc and holiday to agent.

hahahaha i hate investment linked products.
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Medical coverage is very important

1 serious illness can wipe off your lifetime saving

Insurance is tend to offer protection, not ROI

Don't listen to cock talker, don't be naïve and ruin your own life.

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QUOTE(iandope @ Dec 28 2021, 10:50 AM)
if they dont sell u investment-linked products they cannot hadiah-hadiah merc and holiday to agent.

hahahaha i hate investment linked products.
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So which medical plan you bought?
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Dec 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
Medical coverage is very important

1 serious illness can wipe off your lifetime saving

Insurance is tend to offer protection, not ROI

Don't listen to cock talker, don't be naïve and ruin your own life.
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How much you buy???


Medical plan.
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How much you buy???
Medical plan.
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Current plan is stand-alone, only 140k p.a (lifetime unlimited) I'm regret didn't get a medical card with rider when I was young...

The 140k plan is not ideal at all to cover medical bills until old, I plan to upgrade and choose "branded" AIA medical card (with rider)

BUT they offer 1.5m annual coverage for now, which means the premium is very expensive for my personal appetite. I tend to get annual coverage of 1m p.a (maybe other company) and the rest standard package like other medical card with rider plan.
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Dec 28 2021, 03:59 PM)
Current plan is stand-alone, only 140k p.a (lifetime unlimited) I'm regret didn't get a medical card with rider when I was young...

The 140k plan is not ideal at all to cover medical bills until old, I plan to upgrade and choose "branded" AIA medical card (with rider)

BUT they offer 1.5m annual coverage for now, which means the premium is very expensive for my personal appetite. I tend to get annual coverage of 1m p.a (maybe other company) and the rest standard package like other medical card with rider plan.
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Why now old cannot get medical card with rider?
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Dec 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
Medical coverage is very important

1 serious illness can wipe off your lifetime saving

Insurance is tend to offer protection, not ROI

Don't listen to cock talker, don't be naïve and ruin your own life.
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Nope not really. Life insurance is more important to protect your family if you die. If ill can just go gov hospital to save money
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Nope not really. Life insurance is more important to protect your family if you die. If ill can just go gov hospital to save money
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Too serious disease like 70 critical illness government hospital need to wait leh
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Too serious disease like 70 critical illness government hospital need to wait leh
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If got money for both life and medical feel free to get both. If can only afford one then take life only
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Dec 28 2021, 05:27 PM)
Nope not really. Life insurance is more important to protect your family if you die. If ill can just go gov hospital to save money
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Not only when die la, like critical illness you cannot work can do early redemption of sum insured.
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Not only when die la, like critical illness you cannot work can do early redemption of sum insured.
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If becum disabled until cannot do anything consider die also lulz
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So which medical plan you bought?
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my whole family is on Great Eastern Takaful. all standalone life and medical card. quite hefty tho even standalone.
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my whole family is on Great Eastern Takaful. all standalone life and medical card. quite hefty tho even standalone.
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When you buy?

Now is it only left takaful insurance have standalone life and medical card?
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When you buy?

Now is it only left takaful insurance have standalone life and medical card?
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i bought it early last year. all insurance company would still have standalone product.

if an agent tell you they don't have, that means the agent is lying. the reason why they said so is because, for standalone, they dont get much commision out of it for all the trouble, else, how can their agency reward them with a brand new merc, alphard, langkawi holidays etc etc.

from this also you would know how helpful will these agents be when they have collected their 6 months commisions.
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QUOTE(iandope @ Dec 30 2021, 11:32 AM)
i bought it early last year. all insurance company would still have standalone product.

if an agent tell you they don't have, that means the agent is lying. the reason why they said so is because, for standalone, they dont get much commision out of it for all the trouble, else, how can their agency reward them with a brand new merc, alphard, langkawi holidays etc etc.

from this also you would know how helpful will these agents be when they have collected their 6 months commisions.
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6 months commisions of your monthly premium or yearly premium?


So after you compare standalone medical insurance with ilp medical insurance,standalone still better right?
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6 months commisions of your monthly premium or yearly premium?
So after you compare standalone medical insurance with ilp medical insurance,standalone still better right?
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i believed that they are getting a certain percentage of commision based on your monthly premium up to 6 months. that's what i understand from my old stupid agent, after 6th month, she dont even bother to check on you even if you dont pay.

it depends on your budget and planning tbh. currently i am paying RM460 for myself, wife and daughter. if i go for ILP, it would have cost me double the amount. either ILP or standalone, after a certain period of time, the premium will increase so if you think you can handle ILP now, you have to make sure you can handle the ILP increase in let say after 5 years.


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That what they told last time. I can increase the limit in future they said but didn't specifically told the procedures and t&c
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No plan can change limit. Changes limit only can be done with new policy with new price (35year age price)
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QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Dec 31 2019, 12:42 PM)
I pay

1) Medical card  Takafool PruBSN AnugerahPlus = RM163/month

2) Life Takafool PruBSN WarisanPlus = Rm448/month

3) Life Takafool Zurich (takafoolink) = RM 400/month

oh waiii burning those monney  laugh.gif  whistling.gif
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Why u took life takaful twice?
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Parking need to know as well
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so do you bought it?
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No plan can change limit. Changes limit only can be done with new policy with new price (35year age price)
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Not really true. I changed mine after many years. Increased coverage amount, increased premium on existing policy.
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RM1.6 mil coverage. RM300 per month. Bought insurance at a young age as they might increase your premium and lower the amount of coverage if you get older. Worst if you have medical complications, they wont even accept you.
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Mar 13 2022, 08:51 PM)
Not really true. I changed mine after many years. Increased coverage amount, increased premium on existing policy.
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same insurance company??

it is because in old times,company do not have such competition and power


before 20 years ago, over 60 cannot buy medical card

now can until 70
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AIA.

RM1.6 mil coverage. RM300 per month. Bought insurance at a young age as they might increase your premium and lower the amount of coverage if you get older. Worst if you have medical complications, they wont even accept you.
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is it ilp product?

how old are you?
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is it ilp product?

how old are you?
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Yea. Close to mid 20s
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QUOTE(iandope @ Dec 30 2021, 01:55 PM)
i believed that they are getting a certain percentage of commision based on your monthly premium up to 6 months. that's what i understand from my old stupid agent, after 6th month, she dont even bother to check on you even if you dont pay.

it depends on your budget and planning tbh. currently i am paying RM460 for myself, wife and daughter. if i go for ILP, it would have cost me double the amount. either ILP or standalone, after a certain period of time, the premium will increase so if you think you can handle ILP now, you have to make sure you can handle the ILP increase in let say after 5 years.
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GG insurance agent after this?
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Recently I bought for my family member under GE SMM200.. 3.5m annual no limit lifetime

3yo 3600 annual
4yo 3400 annual
7yo 3000 annual
Wife 30’s 6600 annual….

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 17 2022, 06:19 PM)


GG insurance agent after this?
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Nay, i believe agents will still be around. Nothing beats having an agent helping out when doing claim and answering even the smallest questions.

By the way i see several insurance companies selling online.


QUOTE(goldrush @ Mar 17 2022, 06:40 PM)
Recently I bought for my family member under GE SMM200.. 3.5m annual no limit lifetime

3yo 3600 annual
4yo 3400 annual
7yo 3000 annual
Wife 30’s 6600 annual….
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Why choose GE?
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QUOTE(Omni-Man @ Mar 17 2022, 06:53 PM)
Nay, i believe agents will still be around. Nothing beats having an agent helping out when doing claim and answering even the smallest questions.

By the way i see several insurance companies selling online.
Why choose  GE?
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the same arguments on car insurance last time. too many agents plotex plotex

but now the insurance co. make it so much easier to buy and to claim as well. all via online.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 17 2022, 07:09 PM)
the same arguments on car insurance last time. too many agents plotex plotex

but now the insurance co. make it so much easier to buy and to claim as well. all via online.
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I'm still buying car insurance through my agent. I can probably get it cheaper elsewhere but old friend, what to do? Calls me up yearly for the renewal too, so I don't forget LOL.
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Tumpang thread, tq.
Investment link vs Standalone medical card

Which one better?

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Mar 17 2022, 07:18 PM)
I'm still buying car insurance through my agent. I can probably get it cheaper elsewhere but old friend, what to do? Calls me up yearly for the renewal too, so I don't forget LOL.
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now BJAK and someone from Kurnia will whatsapp/call me , reminding me about those things

10% is quite a lot tbh
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Mar 17 2022, 07:21 PM)
Tumpang thread, tq.
Investment link vs Standalone

Which one better?
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most of your investment link portion will goes to your agent new Merc/BMW fund cool2.gif
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Tumpang thread, tq.
Investment link vs Standalone

Which one better?
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a good agent will show u.

IL is better IMO but that's up to personal preference & most of the plans are IL.

Just like technology, it's moving forward all the time.




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Nay, i believe agents will still be around. Nothing beats having an agent helping out when doing claim and answering even the smallest questions.

By the way i see several insurance companies selling online.
Why choose  GE?
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buy thru cousin who handles all our insurance under GE.
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QUOTE(goldrush @ Mar 17 2022, 10:10 PM)
buy thru cousin who handles all our insurance under GE.
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in another word, you are paying 20-25% contribution as your cousin's salary for the next few years. ok la.. better kakilang then outsiders.
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in another word, you are paying 20-25% contribution as your cousin's salary for the next few years. ok la.. better kakilang then outsiders.
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QUOTE(goldrush @ Mar 17 2022, 06:40 PM)
Recently I bought for my family member under GE SMM200.. 3.5m annual no limit lifetime

3yo 3600 annual
4yo 3400 annual
7yo 3000 annual
Wife 30’s 6600 annual….
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means 4 person in one plan???

High Overall Annual Limit with no Overall Lifetime Limit

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...on-brochure.pdf


so share the 3.5 million annual limit?


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means 4 person in one plan???

High Overall Annual Limit with no Overall Lifetime Limit

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...on-brochure.pdf
so share the 3.5 million annual limit?
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Sorry salah…

3.8m each for kid under smart protect junior
3.5m for wife under smart protect essential

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AIA cover C19, others not sure…

GE cheat money wan..lolx
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AIA cover C19, others not sure…

GE cheat money wan..lolx
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So, which insurance company provides best value of protection vs commitment?
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So, which insurance company provides best value of protection vs commitment?
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Hi this is my insurance policy benefits :

what does each description means ? they give me a medical card


AmMetLife Lifestyle (Ins) 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Accelerated TPD (All Causes) 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Additional Critical Illness 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Dread Disease WOP 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 300.00 In Force

HealthCare Choice Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force

HCC BoostUp Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force

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QUOTE(incubus69 @ Mar 25 2022, 04:42 PM)
Hi this is my insurance policy benefits :

what does each description means ? they give me a medical card
AmMetLife Lifestyle (Ins) 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Accelerated TPD (All Causes) 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Additional Critical Illness 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Dread Disease WOP 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 300.00 In Force

HealthCare Choice Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force

HCC BoostUp Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force
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Additional Critical Illness

Dread Disease WOP

HealthCare Choice Rider

HCC BoostUp Rider


why so many rider???
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I chose crowdshare medical protection plan cover RM1 million for less than RM50 per month from www.gathercare.xyz

nod.gif RM1 million medical protection per year
nod.gif RM5k bereavement payment (increase RM1k yearly)
nod.gif RM100k outpatient cancer per year
nod.gif RM150 board & room
nod.gif RM250 ambulance service
nod.gif RM15k compensation death of covid

For 2021, average contribution all-in, around RM40/mth. Very cheap, affordable. If you are looking for cheap and affordable medical protection, look for www.gathercare.xyz

This plan can be either your main protection plan, or simply as backup. In case existing medical card not enough limit. icon_rolleyes.gif

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OP/TS, dont get PM Care. it freaking sucks ballz
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I used to think standalone is better because it's cheap right?!

Wrong. ILP has its benefits. We all know medical fees increased every few years and will have adjustments. ILP's cash value that you have will be used to offset or top up the adjustment, hence you still pay the same amount. That's how they keep your premium stable for the next 30-40 years.

Standalone mean while, has no cash value. Hence whenmedical fees increased you also need to pay more, every few years. And you get nothing at the end of maturity.

BUT, keep in mind don't ever treat ILP as an investment. Their fund managers are shit and typically cannot produce returns that exceed inflation. See ILP as a form of stable protection. As long as you have some protection and cash value, you're good to go. Don't see it as an investment vehicle because it's NOT.


Hope this helps.

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QUOTE(rem @ Mar 31 2022, 08:32 AM)
I chose crowdshare medical protection plan cover RM1 million for less than RM50 per month from www.gathercare.xyz

nod.gif RM1 million medical protection per year
nod.gif RM5k bereavement payment (increase RM1k yearly)
nod.gif RM100k outpatient cancer per year
nod.gif RM150 board & room
nod.gif RM250 ambulance service
nod.gif RM15k compensation death of covid

For 2021, average contribution all-in, around RM40/mth. Very cheap, affordable. If you are looking for cheap and affordable medical protection, look for www.gathercare.xyz

This plan can be either your main protection plan, or simply as backup. In case existing medical card not enough limit.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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what is your age?

how come so cheap?

why no insurance partner inside the company?



https://www.bnm.gov.my/web/guest/life-business

https://www.bnm.gov.my/web/guest/general-business

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OP/TS, dont get PM Care. it freaking sucks ballz
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what means?
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QUOTE(CoolStoryWriter @ Mar 31 2022, 09:50 AM)
I used to think standalone is better because it's cheap right?!

Wrong. ILP has its benefits. We all know medical fees increased every few years and will have adjustments. ILP's cash value that you have will be used to offset or top up the adjustment, hence you still pay the same amount. That's how they keep your premium stable for the next 30-40 years.

Standalone mean while, has no cash value. Hence whenmedical fees increased you also need to pay more, every few years. And you get nothing at the end of maturity.

BUT, keep in mind don't ever treat ILP as an investment. Their fund managers are shit and typically cannot produce returns that exceed inflation. See ILP as a form of stable protection. As long as you have some protection and cash value, you're good to go. Don't see it as an investment vehicle because it's NOT.
Hope this helps.
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just feel ilp fund got sales charges that goes mostly to agent commisions....


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Heres and advice. Just skip agent. Take standaolne medical card and buy , CI and life directly from company. Far cheaper than using agents. This is the truth.
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All of them are actually more or less the same. The thing is your agent will persuade you to modify or 'upgrade' your policy to earn commission.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Apr 2 2022, 12:21 AM)
what is your age?

how come so cheap?

why no insurance partner inside the company?
https://www.bnm.gov.my/web/guest/life-business

https://www.bnm.gov.my/web/guest/general-business
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Im 38 boss.

Cheap because, in Gathercare(GC), no monthly commission for agent/introducer. All monthly contributions 100% for paying medical costs for members. Having a platform using crowd share method, GC can reduce monthly insurance/medical card premiums. GC really use 'takaful' mechanism, to help people who need a good medical plan, with low commitment.

Yes, it is not an insurance company, its not a profit-making company. If it's registered with BNM, it would become a high premium contribution medical card plan. Many insurance/takaful agents join this to promote to their clients as a backup/low-cost medical plan.

I also have this as backup, besides having PruBSN Health Enrich. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Apr 2 2022, 12:24 AM)
Heres and advice. Just skip agent. Take standaolne medical card and buy , CI and life directly from company. Far cheaper than using agents. This is the truth.
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which comoany you buy?

just go the state branch can skip agent?

if anything happen,just go state office and claim?
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which comoany you buy?

just go the state branch can skip agent?

if anything happen,just go state office and claim?
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Yes u can do that.
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Im 38 boss.

Cheap because, in Gathercare(GC), no monthly commission for agent/introducer. All monthly contributions 100% for paying medical costs for members. Having a platform using crowd share method, GC can reduce monthly insurance/medical card premiums. GC really use 'takaful' mechanism, to help people who need a good medical plan, with low commitment.

Yes, it is not an insurance company, its not a profit-making company. If it's registered with BNM, it would become a high premium contribution medical card plan. Many insurance/takaful agents join this to promote to their clients as a backup/low-cost medical plan.

I also have this as backup, besides having PruBSN Health Enrich. icon_idea.gif
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when Gathercare(GC) is established?

if it do not have license, how to do insurance business at malaysia?

LAWS OF MALAYSIA
Act 553

Insurance Act 1996

Date of Royal Assent 13-Sep-1996
Date of publication in the


Gazette 26-Sep-1996


An Act to provide new laws for the licensing and regulation
of insurance business, insurance broking business, adjusting
business and financial advisory business and for other related
purposes.



Minimum paid-up
share capital or surplus
of assets over
liabilities.


18. (1) A licensed local insurer shall maintain a minimum
paid-up share capital of such amount as may be prescribed.
Penalty: Three million ringgit. Default penalty.
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Apr 2 2022, 02:51 AM)
when Gathercare(GC) is established?

if it do not have license, how to do insurance business at malaysia?

LAWS OF MALAYSIA
Act 553

Insurance Act 1996

Date of Royal Assent 13-Sep-1996
Date of publication in the
Gazette 26-Sep-1996
An Act to provide new laws for the licensing and regulation
of insurance business, insurance broking business, adjusting
business and financial advisory business and for other related
purposes.
Minimum paid-up
share capital or surplus
of assets over
liabilities.
18. (1) A licensed local insurer shall maintain a minimum
paid-up share capital of such amount as may be prescribed.
Penalty: Three million ringgit. Default penalty.
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Since 2017. Its not an insurance company, it's a crowd-sharing platform for medical bill settlement. Less than RM50 per month. https://gathercare.com/ for more info smile.gif
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QUOTE(rem @ Apr 5 2022, 10:06 AM)



Since 2017. Its not an insurance company, it's a crowd-sharing platform for medical bill settlement. Less than RM50 per month. https://gathercare.com/ for more info  smile.gif
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Any testimonies of claim successfully or otherwise?
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Any testimonies of claim successfully or otherwise?
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Here you can view video testimonial
https://gathercare.com/testimonials/

And not just that, on the website itself, they publish all claim record since 2017, very transparent. If no claim, then no deduction. Simple. Maximum deduction capped at RM50
https://gathercare.com/history/

For example in March 2022, claim RM54K for 10 cases. So all sharers just need to commit the amount claimed only. Now we have 5000 sharers, so roughly RM54k/5000 = RM11 shared per person. Yes 100% monthly deduction went to claim/sharing

I personally don't feel this is a burden. Its just below RM50. And if I don't claim, at least I feel satisfied I contribute to other people's hospital bills. Meaning to say, we are helping others with their needs. We all know nowadays insurance/medical card gone high with at least RM100 per person, and keep increasing. Some ppl are not able to contribute high premium. So this is a good alternative/backup. flex.gif

Some asking me, what happen if u pay, then cannot use later. Im asking, are u sure ur current medical card is 100% later can claim? So no need to worry at all, or maybe use this as backup. After all, I already know my current monthly contribution is HELPING others at least.
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I would recommend going through an agent, if anything u can call them for advice, and they can help u follow-up on your claims etc. Get a good agent of course. My agents were helpful, they came and passed me the form, help me filled up the necessaries, and came and collect any additional documents when required.

Anyone got any experience of making claim without insurance agent? Mind sharing the process?
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In your opinion, what's the best all-rounder comprehensive medical insurance for the year 2023 within the Malaysian context?

Am considering changing my current Prudential PRUHealth 400 to AIA's A Plus Health or GE's SmartMedic Shield.

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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Apr 2 2022, 12:24 AM)
Heres and advice. Just skip agent. Take standaolne medical card and buy , CI and life directly from company. Far cheaper than using agents. This is the truth.
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but standalone medical card is not guarantee renewal.
and, even direct to company, they r not likely to deduct the agent's commission to give u cheaper premium compare to what agent quoted u for the same thing.
3rdly, im not sure which product that direct company able to sell to u but so far i encounter, when coming to purchase a product, most of the customer service will ask u to liase with agent.
they will not sell direct to u.

please correct me if im wrong.
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personally i sticked with standalone policy.
very scared of those investment link....
they could keep increasing your premium and you stuck and have to pay for next XX years due to contract .(high risk, high return)literally they already locked you in.
bad case, lets say one day you out of job ,cannot afford to pay anymore. that time you have no choice but to end policy,you found out most probably kacang left after all deduction and worst mau beli insurance lain but premium so high due to age. literally stuck at even shittier position.

but both have pros and cons...just depends on your budget.

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i got an experience buying through an agent... was hospitalized for 2 weeks.. all the necessary form my agent help me sort out i just need to sign.. follow up treatment all covered.. but of course must find a good agent.

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QUOTE(K555 @ Jan 10 2023, 05:46 PM)
but standalone medical card is not guarantee renewal.
and, even direct to company, they r not likely to deduct the agent's commission to give u cheaper premium compare to what agent quoted u for the same thing.
3rdly, im not sure which product that direct company able to sell to u but so far i encounter, when coming to purchase a product, most of the customer service will ask u to liase with agent.
they will not sell direct to u.

please correct me if im wrong.
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There are standalone cards which have guaranteed renewal.
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Apr 2 2022, 12:24 AM)
Heres and advice. Just skip agent. Take standaolne medical card and buy , CI and life directly from company. Far cheaper than using agents. This is the truth.
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Sorry tag you. How to skip agent? Last time go to branch, they tell me msit go via agent. What insurance company that you are using that can skip agent?

Also what's the name of the plan that you bought for medical. CI and life?

Thank you.

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There are standalone cards which have guaranteed renewal.
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Mind to share?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2023, 06:16 PM)
Sorry tag you. How to skip agent? Last time go to branch, they tell me msit go via agent. What insurance company that you are using that can skip agent?

Also what's the name of the plan that you bought for medical. CI and life?

Thank you.
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Good. Me also wanna know.
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In your opinion, what's the best all-rounder comprehensive medical insurance for the year 2023 within the Malaysian context?

Am considering changing my current Prudential PRUHealth 400 to AIA's A Plus Health or GE's SmartMedic Shield.
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Having sold different medical plans to different people. The plans are more or less the same, certain company have perks here and there to differentiate themselves.

End of the day, the agent that you engage should be your option as the person can advise you and service you.
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QUOTE(K555 @ Jan 10 2023, 06:51 PM)
Mind to share?
Good. Me also wanna know.
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actually why so worry on renewal. so far haven't heard a insurance company kick customer off just because he has a serious illness.
they too have reputation to jaga, of course they will increase your premium next year much higher. (nowdays all health insurance very long duration some up to 99 years)
but they do wish you to cancel or unable to renew the policy voluntarily. devil.gif devil.gif
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QUOTE(TRAZE99 @ Jan 10 2023, 07:09 PM)
actually why so worry on renewal. so far haven't heard a insurance company kick customer off just because he has a serious illness.
they too have reputation to jaga, of course they will increase your premium next year much higher. (nowdays all health insurance very long duration some up to 99 years)
but they do wish you to cancel or unable to renew the policy voluntarily. devil.gif  devil.gif
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True LA but then even if they dun wan renew the customer policy, they are not at default. T&C already written-so as company has right to not-to renew policy though.

But even customer got kicked out, there will be no report on this also.
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Co. cover Etiqa. 350k a year for each family members.
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Hehe... Pls show me term insurance which covers all life, tpd, ci, rnb, med, and cost less than ILP min funding.

I'll wait.
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Actually ilp have benefits

You can paid first many premium later no need to pay

Normal one cannot
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Co. cover Etiqa. 350k a year for each family members.
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Heres and advice. Just skip agent. Take standaolne medical card and buy , CI and life directly from company. Far cheaper than using agents. This is the truth.
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You directly go insurance company state office and buy from staff?

Can meh?
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in another word, you are paying 20-25% contribution as your cousin's salary for the next few years. ok la.. better kakilang then outsiders.
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Hi this is my insurance policy benefits :

what does each description means ? they give me a medical card
AmMetLife Lifestyle (Ins) 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Accelerated TPD (All Causes) 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Additional Critical Illness 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force

Dread Disease WOP 15 April 2049 For 30 Years RM 300.00 In Force

HealthCare Choice Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force

HCC BoostUp Rider 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 150.00 In Force
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AmMetLife Lifestyle (Ins) 15 April 2083 For 64 Years RM 100,000.00 In Force


Your life insurance can paid until age 70 ,but free protection until age 100?
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You directly go insurance company state office and buy from staff?

Can meh?
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Website ada.
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Website ada.
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Yes, Cause insurance company's forte is not in investment. Those agents only want commission so sell insurance, what do they know about investment? Keep for long term? lol, easiest excuse given.

Insurance and investment are two different things. When you mix them up, they won't hold responsible if investment is good or bad. Usually investment return is bad.

Hence, keep insurance as insurance. And only get the insurance you need.
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Depends though. If you can get one who invest in fixed returns.

The advantage of such is, you can get tax breaks.

But most agents especially Malaysians are not that smart anyway. They just dunno how to see further then their own pockets and dunno how to provide their clients with actual value add.

Something like a product which can guarantee at least 1% or even 0% return but cannot be more then say -1% but at the same time provide enough cover for illness. If agent can think of such a plan and allow the person to save on income tax. Ppl will definitely buy.

They already got the leverage that this is income deductible and if insurance agent can assure that there is such a plan whereby ppl can save on taxes. Ppl will surely go for it.

But insurance agent gets confused the moment someone suggest something like this to them.
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QUOTE(WeiLoonChuak @ Dec 31 2019, 01:00 PM)
ilp investment fail, you will only have lower return or negative return, it is using premium to invest in mutual funds...

you dont need to topup anything....
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Licensed Insurance Companies & Takaful Operators

No.  Name  Ownership
1 AIA Berhad
2 AXA Affin Life Insurance Berhad affin bank grouo
3 Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
4 AmMetLife Insurance Berhad ambank group
MetLife, Inc. is the holding corporation for the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, better known as MetLife, and its affiliates.
USA
5 Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad  maybank group
6 Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad   

bank simpanan nasional
It's Now Known As BSN Life

30 Apr 2014

HERE COMES GIBRALTAR BSN LIFE


KUALA LUMPUR - After just over a decade in operation, life insurer Uni.Asia Life Assurance Bhd (UAL) has ceased to exist, and is now known as Gibraltar BSN Life Bhd, following the entry of new owners Prudential Financial, Inc (PFI) of the US and Bank Simpanan Nasional (BSN).

PFI holds a 70% stake in Gibraltar BSN Life through its subsidiary, The Prudential Insurance Company of America (PICA), and BSN the remaining 30%, following a RM518 million acquisition of UAL which was completed in January 2014.
7 Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad
ocbc group singapore
8 Hong Leong Assurance Berhad 
hong leong bank group

9 MCIS Insurance Berhad
sanlam group

10 Manulife Insurance Berhad

canada company

11 Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad
12 Sunlife Malaysia Assurance Berhad

Sun Life Financial Inc. is a Canadian financial services company


13 Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd
14 Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
15    Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Keluarga Berhad
But nowadays no much more medical card that is not ILP

A lot of people find this hard to accept. Maybe when they bought their cards, their advisor or agent told them, “This is cheap, right?” After that, we think the five years, normally, the cost of this medical card increase every five years, there is one rate, the next five years, there is a different rate to pay. Then, you say, “Hey, how come it keeps on increasing?”
That is how a

standalone medical card
is structured, and you must be prepared for that.
Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian =ILP medical card
Renewal Conditions
Most standalone policies provide a guarantee that your policy will be renewed even though you’ve been diagnosed with an illness before your next renewal date.
This is good to have. Here’s the reason why. Say if you were diagnosed with diabetes this year, and your policy is not a guaranteed renewal policy, the company has every right to reject your renewal.

Now, you’re left with zero coverage for next year. Adding to that, other insurance companies won’t accept your application either, because now you have diabetes and it’s a risk they are usually not willing to take.
Bersenang-senang dahulu, Bersusah-susah kemudian = Standalone medical card
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I buy GE reason is the GE insurance sales agent is a lady and provide good service until now hahhaa

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I buy GE reason is the GE insurance sales agent is a lady and provide good service until now hahhaa
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How many years you buy ge until now?
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The commitment is high. And the investment not that great return.
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But life insurance with ilp good right?
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But life insurance with ilp good right?
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Kindly read the stuff before and decided if ILP good or not.
https://investmentmoats.com/budgeting/insur...-right-reasons/

https://investmentmoats.com/budgeting/insur...rance-and-ilps/

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In a simple sense, ILP take your money, pay expenses and invest the rest.
If their investment do well (in the future), ILP pays your premium, and the rest are profit (for them).
If it doesn't, you'll end up paying any premium deficit.
So insurance company get the upside, while we shoulder the risk. How is that a good deal for us?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MalaysianPF/commen...egular_medical/

For me I am buying AIA a-med life regular with booster (standalone). Avoid ILP.

ILP Holiday premium
You can don't pay for a while but you will need to pay for it eventually. How many months depend on how good is the investment. If you look at majority of the investment, cannot even match EPF return.
If you are a good pay master (always pay on time) standalone make more sense. Of course if you can generate 50% returns with the money saved by not paying premium, than ILP might be better choice. How many normal humans you know can generate that kind of returns?

ILP waiver
Only applicable if you got critical illness which is not early stage.

If you want to buy life insurance, just buy term until you retire. Don't need to buy until old age.

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How many years you buy ge until now?
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Not every insurance company accept this buy through online skip agent
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You're right, plans we can sign up online is limited. Only certain plans/type can.

For the others, even if we contact them they'll pass us to an agent anyway


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You're right, plans we can sign up online is limited. Only certain plans/type can.

For the others, even if we contact them they'll pass us to an agent anyway
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Your life insurance is ILP?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2023, 10:07 AM)
Kindly read the stuff before and decided if ILP good or not.
https://investmentmoats.com/budgeting/insur...-right-reasons/

https://investmentmoats.com/budgeting/insur...rance-and-ilps/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MalaysianPF/commen...egular_medical/

For me I am buying AIA a-med life regular with booster (standalone). Avoid ILP.

ILP Holiday premium
You can don't pay for a while but you will need to pay for it eventually. How many months depend on how good is the investment. If you look at majority of the investment, cannot even match EPF return.
If you are a good pay master (always pay on time) standalone make more sense. Of course if you can generate 50% returns with the money saved by not paying premium, than ILP might be better choice. How many normal humans you know can generate that kind of returns?

ILP waiver
Only applicable if you got critical illness which is not early stage.

If you want to buy life insurance, just buy term until you retire. Don't need to buy until old age.
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For life insurance, you got recommendation too?
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For life insurance, you got recommendation too?
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Yes avoid ILP. Buy a term insurance that covers until your retirement age. Get term and invest the rest. Dump the savings into EPF if you don't know how to invest. If you know how to invest, substitute WPF with S&P500 etf. Why EPF? Cause majority of the ILP cannot even match EPF returns. So by you putting your money into EPF you already beat like 9x%+ of the ILP funds already. Of course cons of EPF is need to wait until 55 years old to access the money and you are holding RM.

That's means insure until retirement than no need anymore cause at retirement theoretically you should have any much dependant anymore (kids likely grow up already, house mortgage likely settle, no debts).

If you cannot fulfilled the above, need to work on your retirement planning

Read here for more detail.
https://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....rm-how.html?m=1.

If you got time, just read though his entire blog (it will help you a lot). He helped me when I was clueless and starting out. So basically he's mine online financial teacher that I never had.

QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Apr 5 2023, 04:01 PM)
You're right, plans we can sign up online is limited. Only certain plans/type can.

For the others, even if we contact them they'll pass us to an agent anyway
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Good medical insurance that you can sign up online only exist one. The one sold by fi.life by AXA.

To get good standalone medical insurance with coverage of RM1m+ no choice have to go via agent.

If one is ok coverage of RM100k-150k, many exist online (suitable for kids), not so much for adults.

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Is it hard to apply to become insurance agent? Thinking of doing part time only.
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Is it hard to apply to become insurance agent? Thinking of doing part time only.
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Quite easy to pass , use common sense sikit can dy
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Is it hard to apply to become insurance agent? Thinking of doing part time only.
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You need to pass exam. After that you need to apply. I am not sure if there is a target and what happen if didn't hit the target.
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Anyone know why insurance agent don't want to entertain you if you want to buy standalone medical insurance? Happened to me twice so far, recently at petrol station they have insurance booth were they will approach you while pumping and ask you to sign up.

But twice I kena after they know you are only interested in the just plan medical insurance they just disappear and don't get back to you.
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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Apr 6 2023, 04:21 PM)
Anyone know why insurance agent don't want to entertain you if you want to buy standalone medical insurance? Happened to me twice so far, recently at petrol station they have insurance booth were they will approach you while pumping and ask you to sign up.

But twice I kena after they know you are only interested in the just plan medical insurance they just disappear and don't get back to you.
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no idea, maybe they don't do standalone?

I do sell standalone insurance to my customers, depending on what they're looking for and affordability.
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Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 01:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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This is until die/ forever?
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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Apr 19 2023, 07:43 AM)
This is until die/ forever?
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Till age 70 and have surrender value / maturity value
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 4 2023, 01:35 AM)
Depends though. If you can get one who invest in fixed returns.

The advantage of such is, you can get tax breaks.

But most agents especially Malaysians are not that smart anyway. They just dunno how to see further then their own pockets and dunno how to provide their clients with actual value add.

Something like a product which can guarantee at least 1% or even 0% return but cannot be more then say -1% but at the same time provide enough cover for illness. If agent can think of such a plan and allow the person to save on income tax. Ppl will definitely buy.

They already got the leverage that this is income deductible and if insurance agent can assure that there is such a plan whereby ppl can save on taxes. Ppl will surely go for it.

But insurance agent gets confused the moment someone suggest something like this to them.
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Does not depends

Its still bad

Separate ur investment from insurance

Both basically polar opposite

For the small amount of tax breaks not worth it

But for financial noobs at least u are doing abit of investment with this. I rather u extra contribute the amount into epf than giving free to insurance company

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Till age 70 and have surrender value / maturity value


If die get 10k only? N yearly hosp bil 200k max?

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Is it hard to apply to become insurance agent? Thinking of doing part time only.
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 05:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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Pretty good price & package for ur age. Cant complain
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Apr 19 2023, 02:08 PM)
Pretty good price & package for ur age. Cant complain
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 02:23 PM)
Not sure have to think properly  tongue.gif bleeding for every month  doh.gif  doh.gif
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200 a mth is cheap for ur age. I remember paying 200 a mth for insurance at the age of 25
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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Apr 19 2023, 02:02 PM)
Does not depends

Its still bad

Separate ur investment from insurance

Both basically polar opposite

For the small amount of tax breaks not worth it

But for financial noobs at least u are doing abit of investment with this. I rather u extra contribute the amount into epf than giving free to insurance company
If die get 10k only? N yearly hosp bil 200k max?
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If you can find a investment that can guarantee more then my income tax rate sure.

But most Malaysians like you dunno what you are talking about.
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If you can find a investment that can guarantee more then my income tax rate sure.

But most Malaysians like you dunno what you are talking about.
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So how much is ur insurance each month and how much u claim it for relief

Dont expect all malaysians income 20k like u


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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Apr 19 2023, 05:41 PM)
So how much is ur insurance each month and how much u claim it for relief

Dont expect all malaysians income 20k like u
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Private matter.
But you get the point.
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Private matter.
But you get the point.
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Insurance agent need more people like u

Thats why all their products can be selling well
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 05:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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What is your main concern to subscribe insurance? Cancer protection? Income protection? Hospitalization? The package stated almost cover everything. You can customize the plan if you feel some are unnecessary.
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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Apr 19 2023, 09:14 PM)
Insurance agent need more people like u

Thats why all their products can be selling well
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Actually I am totally against insurance other them for tax benefits.

If insurance agent can assure me that the money that I put into insurance is much more then if say I put that same money after tax in FD then why not?

It should not be too hard for them if they are serious because tax rate is around 22%. So if say even I suffer a 10% lost it is stil worth putting that money into insurance that can do that.

If an insurance agent can come out with a plan that ensures that i am much better off from a tax perspective he deserves to strike it rich. But like I imply. Malaysians in general is just not that sophisticated. Just like you. You see, it's people who see beyond the system that strike it rich. And there are nobodies like you.

I mean dun you feel embarrassed that someone has to explain this to you?

But you are probably too dumb to see further.

I get it.

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Insurance agent need more people like u

Thats why all their products can be selling well
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You are a sorry case that he honest.
Major insecurity issues.

First you imply that you understood then you come out with this rubbish.

You are the true representation of Malaysia to be honest
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 19 2023, 06:31 PM)
You are a sorry case that he honest.
Major insecurity issues.

First you imply that you understood then you come out with this rubbish.

You are the true representation of Malaysia to be honest
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Sure. As expected, from someone of your level.

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 19 2023, 06:44 PM)
Sure. As expected, from someone of your level.
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Whats ur great returns from insurance investment so far?

Epf n Fd should learn from u all in insurance products caz high roi

Wonderful
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Whats ur great returns from insurance investment so far?

Epf n Fd should learn from u all in insurance products caz high roi

Wonderful
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I am not an insurance agent.
But pointless discussing with a brainless person like you.
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I am not an insurance agent.
But pointless discussing with a brainless person like you.
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So u should believe insurance agent about the guranteed great returns on your investments


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Just say no to Great Eastern and Prudential.
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So u should believe insurance agent about the guranteed great returns on your investments
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When did I say that insurance agents should be believed.
I said they are lousy. Just like you.
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 05:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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Say no to GE. Rm200k is not enough to last you until 70 years old it's enough for say 10 years and this is assume you don't landed up in. ICU. ICU is RM5-10k/day.
If it's normal ward and no major surgery, more than enough.

You can get it cheaper if you DIY instead of bundling everything
AXA emedic plus
Deartime or fi.life death + TPD or FWD

QUOTE(Halibut @ Apr 19 2023, 07:57 AM)
user posted image

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Anyone subscribed and any inputs? Tq
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Depend on what you want. If you want the cheapest plan. Nope. Cheapest is medisavers.
If you want fully online with no agent and million coverage, you got yourself a winner (fi.life)

QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Apr 19 2023, 02:02 PM)
Does not depends

Its still bad

Separate ur investment from insurance

Both basically polar opposite

For the small amount of tax breaks not worth it

But for financial noobs at least u are doing abit of investment with this. I rather u extra contribute the amount into epf than giving free to insurance company
If die get 10k only? N yearly hosp bil 200k max?
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Never take ILP. Always take standalone and invest the rest.
Also don't overinsure just to chase the income tax portion. Just insure enough and claim what you pay.

QUOTE(Truth Angel @ Apr 19 2023, 11:09 PM)
Just say no to Great Eastern and Prudential.
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What's wrong with Prudential? I know Great Eastern got very bad rep.

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When did I say that insurance agents should be believed.
I said they are lousy. Just like you.
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Please make up your mind woman

Trust or no trust

Just now said good investment now say cannot believe


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Please make up your mind woman

Trust or no trust

Just now said good investment now say cannot believe
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Anything related to insurance is never a good investment. It's a huge gamble. Good to have. Kalau takde also ok. They will try their best to avoid to compensate you when the time comes. Macam2 shitty alasan. Happened to my parents sad.gif
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no idea, maybe they don't do standalone?

I do sell standalone insurance to my customers, depending on what they're looking for and affordability.
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Boss, can pm me more details? But ayam jobless so affordability is low ya. Let know boss in advance cause most agents do not wanna waste time layan peasants. Thks
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Boss, can pm me more details? But ayam jobless so affordability is low ya. Let know boss in advance cause most agents do not wanna waste time layan peasants. Thks
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Good morning, sure. will drop you the PM.
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Please make up your mind woman

Trust or no trust

Just now said good investment now say cannot believe
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You have major psychological and comprehension issues.

When did I ever said that Malaysian insurance agent is good

You better come off your pills soon retard

I said that if someone can come out with a strategy to make use of the income tax loophole, that person deserve to be rich.

But obviously no one did that.

Now go to tanjung rambutan. Stupid.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Apr 20 2023, 08:35 AM)
You have major psychological and comprehension issues.

When did I ever said that Malaysian insurance agent is good

You better come off your pills soon retard

I said that if someone can come out with a strategy to make use of the income tax loophole, that person deserve to be rich.

But obviously no one did that.

Now go to tanjung rambutan. Stupid.
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I have booked my room at tanjung rambutan with u

What loophole is that

WHere u looping to

Why u so smart can think of this loophole which gurantees ur investment

Warren Buffet need to take lessons from u

Maybe he can be richer if he listens to u
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 05:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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Its important to know also the budget that you are willing to put in. Based on the plan, some good some can be improved.

Your budget will determine the value of it.
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Aia isn’t a Hong Kong company?
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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 19 2023, 05:28 AM)
Hi Guys. Just need your good input on this deal package from Prudential for age 44

RM203/sebulan
➡️Manfaat kematian/TPD - RM10k
➡️Medical limit- RM200k/setahun, unlimited/seumur hidup (*smartsaver300)
➡️Room & board - RM200/hari
➡️ limit Cancer, buah pinggang, jantung - RM400k/setahun
➡️Outpatient chemo, radiotherapy, dialisis - RM1juta/seumur hidup
➡️Emergency outpatient accident - RM2000/setahun
➡️Elaun gov hospital- RM100/day
➡️Income protector - RM2k/setahun
*smartsaver300- bil hospital tk cover hanya RM300. cth total bil RM10k, insuran cover RM9.7k, client byr sendiri RM300
*income protector- jika terkena salah satu dari 43 jenis sakit kritikal, antaranya cancer, setiap tahun akn dpt cash RM2k

Good deal or pass ?
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May i know what this package name?
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QUOTE(RonanGow @ Apr 20 2023, 01:09 PM)
Aia isn’t a Hong Kong company?
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actually is usa

But listed in hong kong



AIA Group Limited, often known as AIA (Chinese: 友邦保險; pinyin: Yǒubāng Bǎoxiǎn), is an American [3]- Hong Kong-based multinational insurance and finance corporation.


It is the largest publicly listed life insurance group in Asia-Pacific. Il



It offers insurance and financial services, writing life insurance for individuals and businesses,


as well as accident and health insurance, and offers retirement planning, and wealth management services, variable contracts, investments and securities.



1299 hk

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Government hospital is the best medical card
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RW Genting medical card.

Cover funeral fee if jump from First World Hotel 24th floor if kalah teruk in kasino.
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Genting rewards

Genting casino rewards card



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May i know what this package name?
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Pure Medical Protector Card
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Actually what happen with those plan let say coverage till 70 yrs old and auto extend till 100. what does that mean? if i read the policy it will continue after age 70 if there is "saving" or cash value left in the account. am i right?
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Actually what happen with those plan let say coverage till 70 yrs old and auto extend till 100. what does that mean? if i read the policy it will continue after age 70 if there is "saving" or cash value left in the account. am i right?
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Insurance is like a prepaid account nowadays.

You pay your premium monthly, but your actual cost is the annual insurance charges and some commissions + service charges by insurance company.

When you’re young (sub 50), the annual insurance charges is actually just few hundreds, hence you effectively saved up a large sum of your premiums as savings/cash value into your acc.

As you grow old, the insurance charge will grow exponentially, up till like you’re 70-80, it’s costing over 10-20k per year and burning out whatever cash value you saved till then in no time.
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Actually what happen with those plan let say coverage till 70 yrs old and auto extend till 100. what does that mean? if i read the policy it will continue after age 70 if there is "saving" or cash value left in the account. am i right?
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got more info on the actual policy? not sure what the auto extend means...
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QUOTE(devilmaycry9 @ Nov 10 2023, 03:56 PM)
Actually what happen with those plan let say coverage till 70 yrs old and auto extend till 100. what does that mean? if i read the policy it will continue after age 70 if there is "saving" or cash value left in the account. am i right?
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It means that you can extend it till 100 if it expires by 70. But you have to top up any difference for the extension
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Prudential BSN keep increasing the payment nowadays. Is there better alternatives?
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Prudential BSN keep increasing the payment nowadays. Is there better alternatives?
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What is your age?

Increase how much percentage?


Prudential BSN Takaful Berhad

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Actually what happen with those plan let say coverage till 70 yrs old and auto extend till 100. what does that mean? if i read the policy it will continue after age 70 if there is "saving" or cash value left in the account. am i right?
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Which insurance company?

Everyone must be paid the high premium when they reach after 65 years old.

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