You say people simply blame you. But have you spare a thought on the neighbours who have to bear with the side-effects of your money making venture?

These people never asked for you to relocate your bird farm there, yet they are the one who have to live with the sound 12 hours per day, every day, every week , every month and every year. No break even on weekends, public holidays or even Chinese New Year.

Do you think the bird sound is music? It is noise, and very irritating noise at that. To you it may sound like music, it may even sound like the sound of money. Once you have your farm up and running, how often do you go there? Once a day? a week? a month?

To me the operators who set up their farms despite knowing that nearby there are a lot of people staying, they deserves all the brickbats and complains thrown at them. They are just inconsiderate, selfish, self-centred and do not care about other people's life and feelings.

Too bad then, too many of these "bad apples" among your so-called fellow bird farm operators are spoiling the image for the rest of you.

Just would like to share some good news from my friends BH. It is really imagine results just after 2nd days of operation with 200-300 or may be more birds are now staying in his new buildings (its a new building but cover with lot of pineapple) Really feel glad for him with such imagine results.

I wonder all sifus here can also share if you have ever see or your BH ever achieve such a good results. This is really something to cheer with and to motivate all of us and newbie

If you install CCTV inside BH,you will need IR Camera where you can watch their flying patterns in your farm and to find out if birds' flying paths are obstructed.

First and foremost, I wish to apologies to you and you must be one of those affected. When you are not in the buz, you neverf understand and understand. I don't blame you and I do understand you well. I am not going to give any excuses but try to lighten you.

If your neighbour play heavy music and life band during the day, what do you do? Just looking at their looks will scare the life out of you! If your area are red light area, do you report to the authorities, aren't you scare of those bad guys going after you? But if a BH is nearby, you quickly report to the authorities because BH ranchers are nice men for people who love bird can't be bad.

Giving you a example, once there was this one reporter who regularly report and write about what and how bad and noisy the BHs are and demand the authorities to take action. Now, he himself is in this industry, he is a active member of the swiftlet association explaining to the public about the industry and its advantages. Like me, I never like cat and I will chase away any cat but then I adore dogs and allow them on my bed, and even paying more then $1000 for his medical treatment which I don't even willing to pay for my own medical treatment.

So, I always remind all ranchers to understand, considerate and nice to your neighbors. Keep noice level to 40 DBL, international approved level.

My humble appologies again and pls. this is a forum to help BH ranchers in trouble.

You don't have to apologise to me. You are not the one to do me wrong. Of course, if you feel that you have affected other people with you bird farm, then you can apologize to them.

I know this is a swiftlet thread. Of course, I am not here to convert or to convince anyone to give up bird farming. It will be futile, not to mention stupid. It will be like going to a porno forum and tell the people there don't watch porno or going to a football forum and tell the people there don't gamble on football.

If you feel like enlightening me, then do so with proper reasons and don't patronise me, ok? Ask yourself honestly...how many of your so-called BH ranchers are in it because they "are nice men for people who love bird". If they really love the birds, they should rear them at home. How many of you does this?

And, yes I was an affected party once. The fella was a lawyer and talked big "If you dare go complain la..." And I did, and hard. I also ask him "is it ok if someone builds a bird farm next to your nice house. And let your parents, wife and kids enjoy the bird noise too?" He was taken aback for a few second, then quickly said "yes i dont mind, if he has the proper license". Yeah right, the few seconds of stunned silence already shows he is bullshitting. Nice men, indeed!

I was trying to point out that, those people who KNOWINGLY operate their farm when they know that surrounding areas are populated deserve whatever complaints and brickbats. And these are the people who give all of you a bad name. You may be an examplary farmer, operating your farms in the kampung and away from populated areas but you cannot help but be associated with them.

In fact, if you are trying to get the govt to promote and encourage bird farming in a big way (eg, reduce tax, improve infrastructure), you should lobby to have everything more regulated, do things properly and keep away from populated areas. Regulation will weed out the bad hats and opportunists and can only be good in the long run. Only then will the public have no reason to complain about you.

And sorry if I enter the wrong thread. The title is "Swiftlet Farming-EVERYTHING About The Industry -- Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc".

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Friend,I agree with u that there are black sheep among the farmers who are very inconsiderate and take things for granted by full blasting that caused the intolerable noise pollution to neighbourhood.Despites I am an active farmer yet in several occassions together with few other farmers we confronted and made complaints against a couple of inconsiderate new farmers to lower their sound volume before the majlis do so in our town.One of the BHs belonged to a former YB.

I do not agree that all farmers are bird lovers.Majority of them love only money and they know nothing about birds except trying to learn about swiftlets.It is the potential wealth in this swiftlet farming that lures all sort of people into this trade.It doesn't matter whether they are bird lovers or money lovers to do this trade,but they must and better be real considerate of others'feeling and to follow the unwritten rule,that is to avoid causing nuisanes to the neighbourhood.

80% of the public complaints against BHs is the noise nuisanes to the neighbourhood. I would like to appeal to all the farmer readers that,please DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU.BE NICE,CONSIDERATE AND FRIENDLY TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS INCLUDING YOUR NEXT DOOR FARMERS WHO ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME FLOCKS OF SWIFTLETS. Remember whether you like it or not,all of us are on the same boat and we are still very vulnerable.All of us should exercise self discipline to avoid unneccessary complaints so that no excuse could be exploited by the unscrupulous POLITICAL BUGS and their agents with hidden agenda to capitalise on at the poor farmers' expense.(I wonder how is the KT govt going to "shift" the birds out from the towns.What they should do is to encourage the new farmers to do it on the outskirts as from now.For the existing ones and those who are compelled by circumstances to do in towns,the Authorities should formulate some form of reasonable guidelines to regulate them.)

I believe, to many of the farmers,the investment could have already costed their life savings or the BHs are their planned future retirement fund. Therefore,if any inconsiderate and drastic action by the Authority concerned would invite casthatropic reaction.Nevertheless,I would humbly suggest and encourage that all the farmers in their respective town should do their level best to join in the existing bird's nest associations if the leaders and the committee are sincere or form a new one to protect own interest.Alternatively,they may,en bloc join in to the local Chamber of Commerce or any local association to request a formation of a sub-committee taking care of the BH matter under the umbrella.Only with UNITY and the backup,you have the strength and the bargaining power.Do not be afraid of the YBs.Remember they are the YANG BERKHIDMATS elected by you to be at your service to solve yours and others problems.They are,as a matter of fact,more afraid of you,bcos of your votes.But,do be reasonable,be fair and behave yourself and have discipline.

Incidentally,I manage to grap hold of an article or report written by one of the pioneers on the HISTORY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDIBLE-NEST INDUSTRY OF MALAYSIA.This is only a small part of what he has written in his full report. With his consent,I am attaching here to share with all of you especially the newbies.Hope you will appreciate it.

Friend,I agree with u that there are black sheep among the farmers who are very inconsiderate and take things for granted by full blasting that caused the intolerable noise pollution to neighbourhood.Despites I am an active farmer yet in several occassions together with few other farmers we confronted and made complaints against a couple of inconsiderate new farmers to lower their sound volume before the majlis do so in our town.One of the BHs belonged to a former YB.

I do not agree that all farmers are bird lovers.Majority of them love only money and they know nothing about birds except trying to learn about swiftlets.It is the potential wealth in this swiftlet farming that lures all sort of people into this trade.It doesn't matter whether they are bird lovers or money lovers to do this trade,but they must and better be real considerate of others'feeling and to follow the unwritten rule,that is to avoid causing nuisanes to the neighbourhood.

80% of the public complaints against BHs is the noise nuisanes to the neighbourhood. I would like to appeal to all the farmer readers that,please DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU.BE NICE,CONSIDERATE AND FRIENDLY TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS INCLUDING YOUR NEXT DOOR FARMERS WHO ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME FLOCKS OF SWIFTLETS. Remember whether you like it or not,all of us are on the same boat and we are still very vulnerable.All of us should exercise self discipline to avoid unneccessary complaints so that no excuse could be exploited by the unscrupulous POLITICAL BUGS and their agents with hidden agenda to capitalise on at the poor farmers' expense.(I wonder how is the KT govt going to "shift" the birds out from the towns.What they should do is to encourage the new farmers to do it on the outskirts as from now.For the existing ones and those who are compelled by circumstances to do in towns,the Authorities should formulate some form of reasonable guidelines to regulate them.)

I believe, to many of the farmers,the investment could have already costed their life savings or the BHs are their planned future retirement fund. Therefore,if any inconsiderate and drastic action by the Authority concerned would invite casthatropic reaction.Nevertheless,I would humbly suggest and encourage that all the farmers in their respective town should do their level best to join in the existing bird's nest associations if the leaders and the committee are sincere or form a new one to protect own interest.Alternatively,they may,en bloc join in to the local Chamber of Commerce or any local association to request a formation of a sub-committee taking care of the BH matter under the umbrella.Only with UNITY and the backup,you have the strength and the bargaining power.Do not be afraid of the YBs.Remember they are the YANG BERKHIDMATS elected by you to be at your service to solve yours and others problems.They are,as a matter of fact,more afraid of you,bcos of your votes.But,do be reasonable,be fair and behave yourself and have discipline.

Incidentally,I manage to grap hold of an article or report written by one of the pioneers on the HISTORY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDIBLE-NEST INDUSTRY OF MALAYSIA.This is only a small part of what he has written in his full report. With his consent,I am attaching here to share with all of you especially the newbies.Hope you will appreciate it.





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wow....been away for few day.......take me hours to finish up the reading...........

Hi all, I'm new to this business and planning to buy over one of the swiftlet house in Pontian. Please advice
1.What precaution I need to look at and is it possible to get lessen there?
2.Is it consider success SH if got abt 200 nests in 2 years time?

Thanks in advance

This post has been edited by long2292: Jul 30 2008, 03:35 PM

Very good sign but staying permanently is still too early to say, just tumpang ...........staying is when the started to make nest or otherwise, they may leave the way they came in.
Having 200 or more to tumpang for a night only after 2 days is itself an achievement. V good sign and great location to have the BH. Hope to hear good news after a few weeks.


Above are my humble comments and from the little that I know

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Thanks.

If i were you, i will avoid investing in commercial shop lot for BH instead of purposed built BH on agri land. There were indications from the local councils to discourage BH in the populated area and the recent statement from Terengganu MB was one good example. The risk is high if the BH is located in the commercial area cos we never know when the local town council want to chase us out due to political reason.
BH is a long term investment, if you have a choice better avoid the risk which is clearly visible before your own eyes.

You are trying to scare all newbiz away and you are not in D industry> So, what do you really know about D swiftlets industry? Even the MB doesn't know and maybe some experts may go and see him to explain the matters. Politics ar Politics..... You think that we move, the birds move. The investors will suffer and so are the birds. Once, they are there, they live their whole life there and even one tiny hole, they will still enter and may die trying.

Let me brief you

1. Doing new BHs in estate or plantation are good but you can't solve the problems.
a. Predators, how to prevent bats, rats, snakes, owl and others from attacking the swiftlets and eggs.
b. How to prevent thieve from stealing the nests and in the same time destroying the eggs and killing the chicks. In town, it is already so difficult and on so many occasions, thieves broke in even with 2 to 3 steel doors. Using gas cutters, in estate, they need not use these small tools, they use JCB or even bulldozers. They are no longer thieves but robbers without any concern for the law.
c. If your BH in your estate has 3000 nest value @ Rm60,000......what do you think the robbers will do, just for ten thousands, they robbed the bank taking such big risk. You and your wife or partner will be easy target, my friend. They let you harvest, they take all the nests and killing you off so you cannot remember them.
d. Nowaday, even near the Polis Station isn't safe, so how safe are you with ten of thousand white gold coming out of jungle?
e. Then, coming to so called Eco farming..................building 100 or more BHs in a clear area, the company make million selling these BHs @ over 300,000 to 1,000,000. Success promised, in words only.....only stupid investors will believe such story.......in three years, you will hundred thousand and what if not? Do they refund you all your lost, principle plus interest!!!! 100 BHS in one area, tell me how to get enough birds for the hundred BHs to be successful. A handful of them maybe but then what about the rest?
f. I am a successful Swiftlets rancher, so the day they force me to move, I will quit but then I have already make my money in three years of good harvest, but what about all those still unsuccessful or those trying to make even and what you have to say to them. Buy a piece of land and build a BH in the land far away. Where is the money?
g. Do you know that there is a glut for shop houses and do you know what is costing the Shop Houses to go up? Now, no matter how many Shop Houses you build, it is sold and at so high a price.......good for the developers. Why, people have dream, and they want to live easy and have a happy life. BHs give them the option, a really good opportunity .......if they miss it, so are their dream. Only a dream, you may say...........our neighbour comtries, Indonesia and Thailand make billions and billions and we are still trying to catch up. Oil Palm are good but they take up alot of land, causing hugh damage to the eco system, climate and maybe the future...................which the swftlets industry can solve. Only problems with swiftlets industry, the sound and the smell. I rather the authorities move the town and not the industry...why? By mowing the town to a non swiftlet zone, and the hugh money generated by the industry will well afford the people to buy into the new township. Even those shop owners formally can't sell their shop houses at cost have sold them at 3 times the value. Meaning that they can now buy 3 shop houses in new township......what a win,win situation.

For now, I rest my case on behalf of all Swiftlets Ranchers and you or others who disagree with me may pm me personally to disagree or kick my ass for I am always ready for you. After all, I build swiftlets sanctuary where swftlets came and go as they please, safe and sound from all predators, away from harm and kept warm during monsoon just like I care for my children. Why, cos they pay me for the 6 stars services......I will keep my promises to the swiftlet, never harm the ones that feed me.

what you mean?total time is nearly 3 months.
At first i bring around half KG of nest,but that time the guy shortage of money and i left the nest to him and that
guy agree to TT me the money in the next day.How i know that guy next day never ending once,delay and delay
and outstation whatever reason lah.until i fed up already..Just send your product(hormone or whatever) to cover the outstanding,he was ok with that and say my thing already prepare and packed and send through KT forwarder( i don't know what is this forwarder company,exist or not,i also not sure),but this forwarder take 2 weeks from klang also can't not deliver the stock to my hand..and last sunday i was inform my stock already arrive taiping at perak,my area only 60 km from taiping,until today still can't deliver to my hand.........three day walk from taiping also can reach alor setar already...............
so every body what you all think?????????

Wow !!.... what an overreaction from you West Wing. Sorry if i ever stepped on your toe.
Relax Bro....It was just merely my spontaneous personal view responded to long2292 query in open forum.. ..... I did not purposely write a stand alone post with intention to scare off new investor and i am not even from the group of people who wanted to built the so called BH Eco farm. I join this thread simply because I am interested to DIY a small BH my self and learn from all sifus here that is all.

My intention to reply long2292 query was just want to share some of my little info I heard from my BH owner friends from KT that there were people sabotaging town BH owners by hanging banner in KT town area to urge state government to take action against BH owners. Maybe nothing will happen in the next foreseeable future but the political pressure is getting heavier then ever from the non breeders...therefore we can't just look at the bright side only as local council policies changes is a risk in swiflet farming that breeders can not deny.......wait a minute ?? is it wrong or too sensitive to share such info here ?? But the title of this thread is "Swiftlet Farming-EVERYTHING About The Industry" what ?
To all town BH owners, no offence intended. I am just sharing info here in this open forum.


Anyway, I have learn quite a fair bit of swiflet knowledges from your previous posts and including your last post as your mentioned about the disadvantages of BH farming in Kg area and the risk of so called BH Eco park. Thank you for sharing and kudos to thread starter seeseng and all sifus here who were willing to share their experiences in this very tight-mouthed industry. .

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This post has been edited by seeseng: Jul 31 2008, 12:59 AM

Good writing West Wing.

To live a life is so difficult now and will be worse in the future esp. for the ones like us who are neither B nor M. You need to be smart and see the future and depand only on yourself for if you fail, nobody will going to bail you out, cos you are neither of both. They can have their loans wirtten off but you can't and so you have only one change to make it good, else you are down and there will no second change to climb up.

Be wise, never invest all your wealth into one area, invest only what you can afford because your excess money became smaller and smaller each day and it is so fast that your FD hardly cove 10% of the inflation. Lucky that I have invested in BH 6 years ago for that I am able to sitting chatting with you or otherwise with my 100,000 life insurance can hardly buy me a decent place to stay when I retire 10 years from now.

Palm Oil prices has gone too high and that to invest now is rather too expensive and opportunity now is to convert your small land to BH and with small investment, you may have a opportunity to retire in style. No hard work, simple clean up job and picking nest that even a 70 years old can do.