An economy small land around 45k/ekar with water and electricity supply, if two ekars need 90k, plus all fees needed already comes to 100k. If an economy standalone BH 3 sty height need 300 k construction cost. total upfront cash in hand need to use is 350k with 50k loan from bank by morgage the land. Wondering how many of us got 350K cash in hand with untouchable for at least 2 to 3 years waiting for the nest harvested, that's also provided you are lucky enough if your BH is succes

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SACRED ROLES THAT SHOULD BE PLAYED BY THE PERHILITAN TO ASSIST THE NEW FOUND GOLDEN GOOSE (THE BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY) TO GROW AND THINGS THAT PERHILITAN SHOULD NOT DO TO KILL THE GOOSE.Dear fellow farmers,hopefully that this is another helpful proposal and opinion from the report on the industry,researched and written by a pioneer could be published in time to help the participants attending the seminar on 02.08.08 at the FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE to deliberate on and to find a solution.

For those attending the seminar,please download the report to be distributed to all the other participants of the seminar for them to have an indepth understanding of the present predicament and situation.And with UNITY AND COMBINED BRAIN POWER AND EFFORT,they should know what is the nest step.

If the present unwise act,suspected with hidden agenda of the PERHILITAN not rectified or stopped timely,the future of this industry in Malaysia looks groomy and all the 50,000 farmers with more to come combined with their dependents and the associated trades,millions in Malaysia would be having nightmares and Billions investments would go down to the drain.The present ill economy of the country will also be further aggravated.

I shall,from time to time,with the consent of the author,publish more of his findings to be shared with all of you.These are his personal experiences, findings,proposals and opinions for the industry.You need not agree with him.If you have a better and more positive proposal,please share with us.Always remember,all farmers are on the same boat,with even some can not see eye to eye.If there is a leak,everyone will have to get prepared to swim and be wet.For those who can't swim,god bless you.



FOUL PLAY,FAKE OR SCANDAL???????????Reliable information received that,a few volunteer practising lawyers are investigating into the few cases of birdhests being detained in the LCCI whereby the owners were harassed,abused and placed into lockup over the nightS by the PERHILITAN enforcement unit. These few particular cases happened sometime between end 2007 and early 2008.Understand that when the owners took up legal councils to defend their cases,the PERHILITAN dropped charges at the INSTRUCTIONS of the Deputy Public Prosecutor(DPP).The nests were released and returned.

For those cases whereby either the owners are all foreigners with no local contacts to assist or the owners are locals but too ignorant or afraid to fight the case and pledged guilty,the nests were consficated and owners served with a fine. There are still many cases happened and went unexposed.

The group of volunteers,after studying and reseaching into the papers and the latest WILD LIFE ACT,discovered and suspected there could be "foul"play on the part of the PERHILITAN. They discovered that among those photostated copies of purportedly certified copies of the actual ACT and supplied to all the PERHILITAN branches throughout the country to be given out to any enquirer,there is one copy -2516,2517-P.U.(A) 393/03 under the AMENDMENT could not be traced to or match the latest original ACT,no where to be found in the ACT.In another word,the copy deemed to be gazetted and certified true copy and had taken effect could be a fake or has yet to be passed and gazetted. Therefore,if the finding is confirmed true,then all the previous related cases incurred under such section taken by the PERHILITAN from the past up to today are all considered,WRONGFUL DETENTION,WRONGFUL ARRESTS,GROSSLY ABUSE OF POWER etc,which are all very serious charges against the PERHILITAN,THEIR DIRECTOR-GENERAL,THE MINISTER AND THE MALAYSIA FEDERAL GOVT.

I could not imagine how great the damaging effect and consequences going to be on the GOVT.It could be another national SCANDAL.If those victims were to take up counter sueing cases against the errant Authorities,they may win a BH each. It is very interesting now.

Can our fellow readers please help spread this message to those victims u know of and request them to contact me through PM or post it here.I will like to unite and round all of them up to be refered to a group of senior legal councils for a biggest case ever in the history of this industry if the facts are confirmed.

I am attaching the 3 (1,2,3)copies of the 'document' given out by the PERHILITAN and another copy (4)of the last page from the latest PROTECTION OF WILD LIFE ACT 1972(ACT 76)(AS AT 10TH SEPTEMBER 2007) AMENDMENT for your scrutiny.For those fellow readers who are interested esp those who have legal knowledge and willing to help in to do some good deed for this industry,please PM me.

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Aug 1 2008, 12:33 AM

I meant that if our grandfather or father left with a vacant piece of land of just over acre which is more enough for this industry. Instead of wasting it, use it for this industry.................Build a building cheaply with technology like LCM which is strong and cheaper. Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build this BH, which you can get much more than you though........................................well, you will understand when you are in this industry................planting some fruits trees and vegetables around it. When you are free and need some peace, go to your BH and watch your Birds fly out and in, cycling around while you and your family have a picnic under the shade. Your children will love such outdoor activities so cheap and relaxing for people who stay in big cities. That's life, my friend and you live longer and healthy.

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Added on July 31, 2008, 8:55 pmI agreed with you that Perhilitan are suppose to ensure that swiftlets are properly take care off and not to tax you from exporting the nests.
These often happened to most agencies that they do not know what they are employed to preform but just try to create deficulties instate of trying to solve the problems that they are employed to. Protect swiftlets and ensure that no swiftlets are scarified for human greed. Looking at the increasing hugh number of swiftlets, Perlihatan suppose to congratulate us on our work well done. If we can do the same to endangered species , will we face similar action from Perhilitan. Before, swiftlets may become extinct due to over harvesting in East Malaysia. Now, not only the population of swiftlets have increase, the income of those involve have also increase. Sudenly, Perhilitan becomes sore eyes. House swiftlets have become like swallows that will build their nest in human building unlike those found in cave.

We should now diversify our industry to Rhinoceros (domestication) ranching and maybe we may get financial support from Perhilitan. Honestly, rhinoceros horns are very expensive and maybe we can also increase the population of rhinoceros to large enough to produce horns in quantity and then nobody would even bother to go into the jungle to hunt for horns. What say you, Pehilitan! or are you going to tax us when we domesticated rhinoceros for their horns.

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HA......HA....HA.....
Wow,what a brilliant idea,West Wing,I support your idea.Why not u start planning and forming a company? I don't mind to partner you or u can invite the readers here to take up shares ! Ha....Ha.....Ha.....

[quote=West Wing,Jul 31 2008, 06:24 PM]
I meant that if our grandfather or father left with a vacant piece of land of just over acre which is more enough for this industry. Instead of wasting it, use it for this industry.................Build a building cheaply with technology like LCM which is strong and cheaper. Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build this BH, which you can get much more than you though........................................well, you will understand when you are in this industry................planting some fruits trees and vegetables around it. When you are free and need some peace, go to your BH and watch your Birds fly out and in, cycling around while you and your family have a picnic under the shade. Your children will love such outdoor activities so cheap and relaxing for people who stay in big cities. That's life, my friend and you live longer and healthy.


Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build a standalone farm is not easy......... Asked many bank already, including bank pertanian but untill now still don't have any clue how get these loan.......Any recommendation for newbie like us ?

West wing good quote!

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[quote=West Wing,Jul 31 2008, 06:24 PM]
I meant that if our grandfather or father left with a vacant piece of land of just over acre which is more enough for this industry. Instead of wasting it, use it for this industry.................Build a building cheaply with technology like LCM which is strong and cheaper. Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build this BH, which you can get much more than you though........................................well, you will understand when you are in this industry................planting some fruits trees and vegetables around it. When you are free and need some peace, go to your BH and watch your Birds fly out and in, cycling around while you and your family have a picnic under the shade. Your children will love such outdoor activities so cheap and relaxing for people who stay in big cities. That's life, my friend and you live longer and healthy.
Get a loan from bank pertanian or other bank to build a standalone farm is not easy......... Asked many bank already, including bank pertanian but untill now still don't have any clue how get these loan.......Any recommendation for newbie like us ?

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Tongserseng,

Me, I don't have problem getting loan from Banks and they offer me 80% of the total cost of buildiing but as from bank Pertanian, I read from Harry 's website....he maybe able to enlighten you on the matter. I am going to build another soon if I get to buy the land and I already get consent from the bank's manager if ever I need a loan. So, I don't understand why you find it so difficult nowaday to get loan.........

What I don't see is that big town guys like to buy big fast car spending over 100K and not able to buy building which appreciate in price and many folds if the building is a successful BH. Don't change your car and you will able to invest in BH and 3 years later, you maybe able to buy your dream car in cash.
I did and I am proud to say that I did it in 3 years so can you. Sorry if I sound boosting but that I want to share my good fortune to others and I want others to share my God's given wealth; I am not selfish and want you to try and if you are successful, just remember me and pm me when you become rich as I will be very happy knowing that I have help another fellow man.

u r a good writer west wing......SALUTE!

Thanks West Wing, may be i should purchase 2 ekar land at Rompin Pahang as my 1st step, after 3 years when i am rich sure will look for you for big makan before i buy my dream car in cash .......

I shall be waiting for your makan maybe faster than me.....in two years having over 1000 nests..........it is possilbe, my friend........your makan must include Birdnest's in coconut, my favourite. You must like birdnest to appreciate and keep your health in prefect condition.

who wan n me exchange swiftlet sound external...............add me swiftletnest@yahoo.com....

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I have read about the urtra sound adapter and I believe that it is no an amplifier. Something that we can't hear but the swiftlet can.....that a good compromise for BHs in towns, then those again BHs will have a 1 less reason for preventing you from doing so. I like to try but it's expensive and my old BH don't even need music to attract the birds......they make their own music, the own original creation, hahahaha....

The most importance of all, is it effective? Have any of our forum readers used the product and what's the result? c'mon if you have then share with us, it's good than others know about this and if it's good, then it's better......otherwise because of those load noises from other BHs, down comes your BH, too just like too bad like Humdy Dumdy lah.

If it is bad, then we, the rest will appreciate your kind contributions toward our community, the Swiftlets Ranchers.

I had already did a write about it on my blog. Don't waste your money my fren.

It has been confirmed & confirmed & confirmed and research & research that A.F is unable to response to ultrasonic sound as the frequency is beyong the A.f listening capability.

What to do Swiftlet farmers tended and trying hard to be different. So for those who has lots of cash you can buy it and use it for self sastifaction. As long you feel good!

TQ my friend, so all fellow ranchers, don't waste your money on this ultrasonic thing, Swifbuild has confirmed that it is useless.....we meet ultraman now to help us solve the problem in Trg if you have read recent news.

If only someone can come out with something that the swiftlets like and the human being don't mind ........very difficult, more difficult than striking 4D.
C'mon, put all heads together and solve sound problem, then you will have shit problem and then bugs problem and more to come...........maybe smell problem, too.

A small and friendly advice...................those old successful BH need not raise your sound system just because someone build a BH next or near to your BH, your birds will be your birds. Experience taught me that my BH need not increase sound now and the number are increasing and many new BHs are coming up. Good for the birds, good for me because the more BHs, the stronger we are and more new young birds will be flying out very 4 months. Explain to the newbiz to conform to the authority guideline for a win win solution. TQ again, swifbuild

About the ultrasound, I did ask this question to CS experts before and they too rejected the claim that it will attract more births. CS said swiflets have more or less the sound hearing ability as human being and what human can't hear, Swiflets can't hear it too. CS advised don't wait money on this method.


Well, to me, you don't sound boosting at all. you are just being truthful in your writing and I respect your willingness to share and help other fellow man and your unselfishness virtue.

Guys,read through 'Swiftlets Of Borneo' the writer also confirmed that swiftlets sound is audible to human ears.So,ultrasound??

hello...

http://worldofswiftletfarming.blogspot.com

West Wing,

Why making us all swiftlet farmers so hard to cari makan? Isn't it we all are also malaysian that had contributed to the economy.

If we 2nd class citizen all go bankrup where the goverment going to get the tax from? No tax who is going pay all goverment salary including all the YB.

They are silly , in other words they themselves are breaking their own rice bowl. I don't know how many YB actually know this or they couldn't be bother.

All they know is big cars Benz and good allowances , where is all this money come from ? From the rayat and they are not proctecting us.

I guess no matter how if anything that is good that will contribute to the economy if this mentality 2nd class citizen prevail the top people rather pour the money into the drain than helping the 2nd class citizen.

They wanted an apple tree that has lot apples but they don't want to put fertaliser or watering it.
worst of all they want to poison the apple tree yet they want the apples "apa macam?how can?

hopefully change will come very soon.