Newbies hope you would learn lots of thing here! WElcome.
V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc
V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc
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Jul 27 2008, 09:15 AM
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Newbies hope you would learn lots of thing here! WElcome.
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Jul 27 2008, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(wtrbird @ Jul 27 2008, 09:14 AM) Hi to all Sifus, my bh is a 2 storey 20 x 70 & just completed haven't turn on the sound yet, may be this 1 or 2 days time. I DIY & get some infor here & there & also idea that from our friend's ebook. Now I've 1 issue to discuss & perhaps all sifus can give some idea/comment regarding the ground floor partitioning. Currently, i do not put up any partition & it's total open. bird will fly down thru staircase with 4 x 11 opening fr upper floor. Well, from one rancher to another, my humbel opinions are as followSome said, is good that to partition it to maintain room temp & brightness and as well as the bird in there will feel secured. For the brightness, i've observed & don't think is a issue - consider dark & just only able to see the opening area, but very dim(view from 1 corner at the end, never use any instrument). It's just my thought. Wish sifus can given some idea/comments. TQ..... Ground floor partition, are you sure that you are allow under the act to do it in Ground Floor, Expert pls advice! In some area even the first floor is not allowed. Make sure cos you are going to lose money renovating it for nothing. When you ask what you are asking, I shall presume that you are on your own, building your own BH and no consultant (Like this, consultants out of Buz lah) Pay a visit to swiftlets' websites, (your e-book should offer you the infos lah) and you will know the basic requirements for a BH. for example the temperature, light and conditions of the house. To mention here will be a repeat of what to do and a waste of time. Good sound system and good CDs are must. Taking about partition, yes or no, all depend on your BH's area. Personally speaking, I will partition only if the area is too big as Swiftlets have gangs and they prefer to be separated. Mind you that you need a space, big enough for them to play near and in the entrance place. Too bright or too dark or too windy are not good and feeling of security, sure for that why swiftlets build their nests first at corner............then, they spread out. Above, is alittle of my humble experiences to share with you. Aroma and perfume or what they call it, you need......most sifus offer them and I make no recommendation. Here, we have many members selling and you amy want to buy from them. I believe that they offer cheaper to this forum's members, ,,,,,,,,, and remember that I only half past six rancher. By the way, where is your BH? |
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Jul 27 2008, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(alexdiong @ Jul 23 2008, 08:25 AM) Anyone saw the banner in KLIA about imposing tax on bird nest? I guess there are just too many people taking it to China by hand-carrying. The banner in KLIA heard from quite a number of souces before so it should be true. Put up by PERHILITAN clowns to show power. Early this year a few cases of nests being brought out through airport was seized. Even an old lady bringing out 1 tael(両) of processed nests as gift also kena seized. Officially they're in charge of Taman Negara and cave nests. But do the clowns have the jurisdiction over house nests? It's an unclear area of the law. There was these 2 cases of 6kg and 1kg seized by them. Later on the bird nest merchant association of state preparing to fight for their rights in courst the clowns immediately dropped charges and returned the nests. (sources from Mr.L of Kedah Birdnest Merchant Association)So do they really have the jurisdiction on house nests? What they have is on cave nests only. House nests are different story. Just like catching wild arowana is illegal but buying commercially breed arowana is no problem. |
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Jul 27 2008, 02:06 PM
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Very good point here. This is also apply to Swiftlet Farming. All could be argued.
They could summon you on renovation but can't summon u on breeding the A.F as there is no captivity here. If your renovation doesn't goes againts the act they can't do anything. But most often the swiftlet farmers are too scare to fight back. The weakest will be the scape goat. This post has been edited by swifbuild: Jul 27 2008, 02:07 PM |
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Jul 27 2008, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 27 2008, 11:10 AM) Well, from one rancher to another, my humbel opinions are as follow Hi West Wing,Ground floor partition, are you sure that you are allow under the act to do it in Ground Floor, Expert pls advice! In some area even the first floor is not allowed. Make sure cos you are going to lose money renovating it for nothing. When you ask what you are asking, I shall presume that you are on your own, building your own BH and no consultant (Like this, consultants out of Buz lah) Pay a visit to swiftlets' websites, (your e-book should offer you the infos lah) and you will know the basic requirements for a BH. for example the temperature, light and conditions of the house. To mention here will be a repeat of what to do and a waste of time. Good sound system and good CDs are must. Taking about partition, yes or no, all depend on your BH's area. Personally speaking, I will partition only if the area is too big as Swiftlets have gangs and they prefer to be separated. Mind you that you need a space, big enough for them to play near and in the entrance place. Too bright or too dark or too windy are not good and feeling of security, sure for that why swiftlets build their nests first at corner............then, they spread out. Above, is alittle of my humble experiences to share with you. Aroma and perfume or what they call it, you need......most sifus offer them and I make no recommendation. Here, we have many members selling and you amy want to buy from them. I believe that they offer cheaper to this forum's members, ,,,,,,,,, and remember that I only half past six rancher. By the way, where is your BH? Ya, I did came across the rules and regulation for building a BH. Wait & see what will happen..... Infact the bandaraya ppl did came & advise to submit plan for d building & apply license (just verbal without any document). Their said if not anything happen then susah lah....scare the building collapse! I think sooner or later need to apply license already, because bandaraya ppl already knew we going to build a BH. I believe out there still have a lot of BH operate without any licensing. I had thought of that before, meaning go thru proper procedure. Somehow, my contractor told me that need to go thru lot of procedure & 2nd consume lot of time. Because it’s an agriculture land & need to apply for land lot splitting these & that lah.....if u want to build a building. Eventually, we still proceed without applying / submitting anything. For the GF, we do not want leave it empty, we just proceed & do it. ( My BH is a stand-alone type at kampong area somewhere at Kedah). Not me alone lah...with some member. This is also due to some already have their own BH (1-2kg/mth – 4 YO farm) and their claimed their idea is better & other one tak boleh pakai lah.... trust me lah..!!!! Look like everyone can become a consultant already. For me, no harm learning, listening & trying. We always look for the better & enhance the existing one. Learning is part of our life mah. In fact I’ve bought the love potion from James our member here. Very excited & wish it can show some amazing result as shown at his blog. Yr opinion, i think it make sense (will take note – thanks). wtrbird |
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Jul 27 2008, 07:14 PM
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![]() ![]() ![]() QUOTE(seeseng @ Jul 27 2008, 01:38 PM) The banner in KLIA heard from quite a number of souces before so it should be true. Put up by PERHILITAN clowns to show power. Early this year a few cases of nests being brought out through airport was seized. Even an old lady bringing out 1 tael(両) of processed nests as gift also kena seized. Officially they're in charge of Taman Negara and cave nests. But do the clowns have the jurisdiction over house nests? It's an unclear area of the law. There was these 2 cases of 6kg and 1kg seized by them. Later on the bird nest merchant association of state preparing to fight for their rights in courst the clowns immediately dropped charges and returned the nests. (sources from Mr.L of Kedah Birdnest Merchant Association) Hi,Seeseng,U r very right.Some good volunteer just confirmed the stupid act of the PERHILITAN by emailed to me the photos taken from LCCI inside the departure.I am putting it up here. This is the main reason for the recent drop in prices in the bird'snests in M'sia only.Looks like it will continue dripping downwards till dont know when unless someone/ones are prepared to do something immediately to stop the PERHILITAN from further damaging this with hidden agenda.Every farmer and those involved in the trade will be hard pressed and crying soon.M'sia 's economy will be greatly affected.I bet u if there is any by-election,there will be Tsunami again to defeat the BN Federal Govt due to this small bunch of clowns from PERHILITAN pulling their own master's leg.BN never learnt.Do u know that 80% of the BH owners voted for the oppositions during last election?So do they really have the jurisdiction on house nests? What they have is on cave nests only. House nests are different story. Just like catching wild arowana is illegal but buying commercially breed arowana is no problem. 1)In the past,without such implementation,there were many foreign buyers from e,g Indon and China,flew in here 4 to 6 times a month to fight for the nests.Becos of this stupid act of the PERHILITAN and its bereaucratic,red tapes, inefficiency,time consuming procedure and system that made thing difficult and inconvenient for the foreign buyers,thus,it deterred them from flying in as frequent as b4.Nowadays,if they do come,they come in submarine,may be once a month.And provided,your selling price is dirt cheap.If u dont sell,others will as they have their bank loan commitment or their children are studying in overseas. 2) A small group of volunteers are presently investigating and researching into the WILD LIFE ACT,suspecting that the PERHILITAN is circumventing the law and abusing their power by implementing such action by misleading the Minister concerned and jumping the gun for hidden agenda.They think that it is illegaL AND ILLEGITIMATE for the PERHILITAN to do that.They are waiting for certain evidences.They confirm those cases u mentioned are true and there are much more which have not been exposed. 3) This small group has highlighted and appealed to the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce recently requesting them to help to look into the matter seriously by using their established resources, manpower and machinery.Only the Chamber has the experience,calibre,ability,unity, sincerity and the machinery to do that with the past proven records.YOU may ask,where the hell are the birdnests associations and what have they done? Let me tell you this.Most of the committee members from the numerous birdnest associations across M'sia are of no calibres,useless, selfish and what the Chinese say "small People".Many of them can not read or write proper.For those who are of higher calibre and with better education background,wont want to do the dirty job for own hidden agenda.They only want to hold positions with their name cards printed to impress the newbies so they can act as Con-sultants or at the end of the days get nominated for the Sultans'A to Z titles.This also goes to the self- proclaimed Federation President ,a senior Dato from Kedah who is good for nothing.Just imagine,he was the YB and Exco in Kedah for many years,yet,till today,he did nothing during his tenure as Exco to convince the former BN Govt to license the BHs in Kedah.In fact,he himself owns the most BHs with no less than 100s in the region.He should thank to this trade as he was the developer one time burdened with hundreds of unable to sell shophouses b4 this trade emerged.He could have gone bankrupt.In Kedah,almost every farmer got harassed and summoned except his.This is the truth all Kedah BH farmers know and angry with.Understand today,he is blessed with lung cancer due to the too many "good deeds" done. 4)Also that,many associations committee can not see eye to eye due to conflict of interest or crash of business.One worst example is the former unscrupulous 1st President of the M""" Birdnest Association.Of course,not everyone is like that,there are some very dedicated,committed,sincere,prepared to contribute and yet frustrated committee from various associations,except that their numbers are very little,isolated and short-handed and inexperienced. These good men should surface, take the lead widen the gene-pool to hunt down each other and keep in touch with each other,put aside their differences and be united and organised with true sense of commitment,dedication to fight for what they sworn as a committee for the betterment for this industry which in the end of the day,their own interest as well. 5) These sincere committee from various individual associations together with those educated readers with righteousness of this blog should volunteer jointly to help out the Chamber to help this industry and in the end help your ownself,hopefully,b4 it is too late. If everyone were to contribute a little in his own positive way or resource and be united with no personal agenda and with one heart,I think those high-handed clowns from the PERHILITAN would retreat. 6) Just sit back and close your eyes for a while,dont fall asleep,start visualising what will happen if nobody comes forwards and volunteer to help in the situation?Just imagine what will happen to your already spent few hundreds thousands to the millions of yours or your dad's life time saving of investment?There is a saying,becomes water.Or do u want to take chance to count on luck that some samaritan would be sent by god to help resolve your immediate problem?So,u want to help urself or u want someone to help u and what if,that someone forget to turn up?Who has more to lose?Its either u come out to help urself or u assist others to help urself in so many ways. 6) I understand that The Federation of The Chinese Chamber of Commerce in KL will be organising a seminar cum symposium to discuss mainly this issue besides other birdnest related topics on 02.08.08 Saturday from 10 am onwards.I would like to appeal to this blog readers who are concern of the future of ths industry and prepare to contribute and to help out to help urself,please voluntarily call up the following phone to register to attend and for details.Participation is limited.Construtive proposals and actions expected and welcome.Also,spread the msg to persuade those whom u think would be able to contribute.We are on the same 'sampan'now,every single drop of help is important.Everyone of us can contribute in many different ways to reverse the situatiuon to our favour.Only with UNITY,can we win. No point for all of us talk c*** here and do nothing positive. There is a saying,everybody expects somebody to do it,in the end nobody does it and then everybody hugs each other and sink! Do u want that? 03-21452503 Mrs Kam, secretary (FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE) GOOD LUCK |
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Jul 27 2008, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jul 27 2008, 07:14 PM) ![]() ![]() ![]() Hi,Seeseng,U r very right.Some good volunteer just confirmed the stupid act of the PERHILITAN by emailed to me the photos taken from LCCI inside the departure.I am putting it up here. This is the main reason for the recent drop in prices in the bird'snests in M'sia only.Looks like it will continue dripping downwards till dont know when unless someone/ones are prepared to do something immediately to stop the PERHILITAN from further damaging this with hidden agenda.Every farmer and those involved in the trade will be hard pressed and crying soon.M'sia 's economy will be greatly affected.I bet u if there is any by-election,there will be Tsunami again to defeat the BN Federal Govt due to this small bunch of clowns from PERHILITAN pulling their own master's leg.BN never learnt.Do u know that 80% of the BH owners voted for the oppositions during last election? 1)In the past,without such implementation,there were many foreign buyers from e,g Indon and China,flew in here 4 to 6 times a month to fight for the nests.Becos of this stupid act of the PERHILITAN and its bereaucratic,red tapes, inefficiency,time consuming procedure and system that made thing difficult and inconvenient for the foreign buyers,thus,it deterred them from flying in as frequent as b4.Nowadays,if they do come,they come in submarine,may be once a month.And provided,your selling price is dirt cheap.If u dont sell,others will as they have their bank loan commitment or their children are studying in overseas. 2) A small group of volunteers are presently investigating and researching into the WILD LIFE ACT,suspecting that the PERHILITAN is circumventing the law and abusing their power by implementing such action by misleading the Minister concerned and jumping the gun for hidden agenda.They think that it is illegaL AND ILLEGITIMATE for the PERHILITAN to do that.They are waiting for certain evidences.They confirm those cases u mentioned are true and there are much more which have not been exposed. 3) This small group has highlighted and appealed to the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce recently requesting them to help to look into the matter seriously by using their established resources, manpower and machinery.Only the Chamber has the experience,calibre,ability,unity, sincerity and the machinery to do that with the past proven records.YOU may ask,where the hell are the birdnests associations and what have they done? Let me tell you this.Most of the committee members from the numerous birdnest associations across M'sia are of no calibres,useless, selfish and what the Chinese say "small People".Many of them can not read or write proper.For those who are of higher calibre and with better education background,wont want to do the dirty job for own hidden agenda.They only want to hold positions with their name cards printed to impress the newbies so they can act as Con-sultants or at the end of the days get nominated for the Sultans'A to Z titles.This also goes to the self- proclaimed Federation President ,a senior Dato from Kedah who is good for nothing.Just imagine,he was the YB and Exco in Kedah for many years,yet,till today,he did nothing during his tenure as Exco to convince the former BN Govt to license the BHs in Kedah.In fact,he himself owns the most BHs with no less than 100s in the region.He should thank to this trade as he was the developer one time burdened with hundreds of unable to sell shophouses b4 this trade emerged.He could have gone bankrupt.In Kedah,almost every farmer got harassed and summoned except his.This is the truth all Kedah BH farmers know and angry with.Understand today,he is blessed with lung cancer due to the too many "good deeds" done. 4)Also that,many associations committee can not see eye to eye due to conflict of interest or crash of business.One worst example is the former unscrupulous 1st President of the M""" Birdnest Association.Of course,not everyone is like that,there are some very dedicated,committed,sincere,prepared to contribute and yet frustrated committee from various associations,except that their numbers are very little,isolated and short-handed and inexperienced. These good men should surface, take the lead widen the gene-pool to hunt down each other and keep in touch with each other,put aside their differences and be united and organised with true sense of commitment,dedication to fight for what they sworn as a committee for the betterment for this industry which in the end of the day,their own interest as well. 5) These sincere committee from various individual associations together with those educated readers with righteousness of this blog should volunteer jointly to help out the Chamber to help this industry and in the end help your ownself,hopefully,b4 it is too late. If everyone were to contribute a little in his own positive way or resource and be united with no personal agenda and with one heart,I think those high-handed clowns from the PERHILITAN would retreat. 6) Just sit back and close your eyes for a while,dont fall asleep,start visualising what will happen if nobody comes forwards and volunteer to help in the situation?Just imagine what will happen to your already spent few hundreds thousands to the millions of yours or your dad's life time saving of investment?There is a saying,becomes water.Or do u want to take chance to count on luck that some samaritan would be sent by god to help resolve your immediate problem?So,u want to help urself or u want someone to help u and what if,that someone forget to turn up?Who has more to lose?Its either u come out to help urself or u assist others to help urself in so many ways. 6) I understand that The Federation of The Chinese Chamber of Commerce in KL will be organising a seminar cum symposium to discuss mainly this issue besides other birdnest related topics on 02.08.08 Saturday from 10 am onwards.I would like to appeal to this blog readers who are concern of the future of ths industry and prepare to contribute and to help out to help urself,please voluntarily call up the following phone to register to attend and for details.Participation is limited.Construtive proposals and actions expected and welcome.Also,spread the msg to persuade those whom u think would be able to contribute.We are on the same 'sampan'now,every single drop of help is important.Everyone of us can contribute in many different ways to reverse the situatiuon to our favour.Only with UNITY,can we win. No point for all of us talk c*** here and do nothing positive. There is a saying,everybody expects somebody to do it,in the end nobody does it and then everybody hugs each other and sink! Do u want that? 03-21452503 Mrs Kam, secretary (FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE) GOOD LUCK u guys only know how to complain,newbies may i call it.PERHILITAN didnt make this call,swift birds are catagory at II grad protected animal at perhilitan chart n any one have to apply licences to deal with it,even harvesting feather nest at cave also need licences n tender frm to goverment to do it n even buying in babi hutan meat also ned this licences BUT the truth is if when u apply this licences fr trading swift nest u can either sell of buy locally(can any indon or china man come into MAL to buy plam oil or timber n ship out this country without paying any tax or going over any procedue???)same thing like nest trading.first must have an trading licences so the goverment can trace.wat r the gov up to???its not about the rm100 tat perhilitan get,when fr export u have to get another permit frm an company name DAGANG NET(e licences)only when u have the licences to trade then only u can go on line apply fr this export licences.tell u guys this dagang net is own 100% by BANK NEGARA,why this???cause u nuts DIDNT PAY TAX.MAL monthly nest is about 5ton,so with that amount ,do u know how much is the value???they can get 28% frm it cause its net profit.so dont shout when u donno nothing.they r trying to trace the farmers.any deal by us will have to record the seller ID n name..will u guys provide fr us???bet u dont have the balls to do so.oh u guy voted fr oppersition n now is the time to TAKE TAT!!!! complain about prices drop,,,also no school one,,,,last 6 month when prices was 4800/KG but do u relise at that time RM was 3.50 compare with US$1.00.so u do this,rm4,800 with devide 3.50 n X back to now rm3.20 compare with USD$=so ow much u get????nest is an international trade so we must deal with USD .its our money tat rise compare with USD not prices drop.but if our country keep it at rm3.50 or rm3.60 then we will have to pay more expresive petrol.make yr choices. we still dealing as usual till today.dont take malaysia nest industrail so proud,we r only 10% of the world market monthly.u farmers always wanna sell yr nest at the highest prices like selling siew mai.""siew mai""har kau""siew mai""har kau""'knn,,,we processer only make tat rm400 per kg but u guys wanna suck it all frm us even the rm400 also not let us make.we have 2500 workers at indon tat process over 5TON/monthly BUt if we met sellerl ike siew mai n harkau our factory sure die of n die hard very early.indonesia farmers are very mature,they supply to us n dont compare at marketat large amount monthly,higher rm100 or lower rm100 they dont care as long we makan all his nest.we r talking about 100 to 200kg each seller.not 1 or 10kg siew mai customers .we ned an stable supply so our workers will have an stable job.ai!!! we dont use submarine yet.no money to buy yet,,,meaby later about 3rd n 4th matters,also u donno yet ,about Kedah,he now own more than 156 (i manage his nest)aready cause another 56 at Kampian.do u know how much we aready contribute???DO U ???How many tens of thousand of ringgit n KGs of cleaned nest been sent to the sultan n YB but does u guys contribute even 10cent???n u say he will bankrup cause his shop hs cannot sell ah???u wake up aready or not??selling bird hs or selling empty shop makes more ??how much we aready spent over the years bringing gov people to go study about nest farming industrail at indonesia n spending over hundreds of thousand but did u guys make any contribute???just know how to stand back u watch n talk c***.about consultant n CCC i wanna dont wanna comment about it ,tats the way they cari makan.u wanna trust them go ahead. about the first MAL assocation president(Tis guy i know him well n call him "SIR")he has been contribute to this line so much n had spent so many years n not to talk about $$$ just to fight n nego with goverment just to issue us licences but do u make any move yet or make any 10cent contribution on this????aready 8 year we hold talks with goverment from lim leong sik till ong ka ting but donno whos coming up now.all previous works are usless sinces the gov always the kerusi cannot sit long one. when we hold meting about forming assocation n holding talks with Gov,,,alll cabut lari saying fees to mahal,,aiyo,,we need an offices spaces,fax machine,phone,table,chair n many more lah,but is there any contributions fr u guys???all know how to just sit back n watch n thinking they will sattle it with the gov n we just wait n see but when fire is burning at his ass then he will jump here n there to look fr help.we had been working with toghether with the goverment to issue us licences n even let Bomba n kesihatan to check our bird hs n apply plan n licences but u guys still sitting back there trying to hide.every one is trying to protect their rich bowl here but many r hiding behind hoping other should do their job fr them.same like nest farming,now days when we open new farm,we can get 100 of birds to stay over night just in an week time but many ask to share.MANA BOLEH SHARE,sharing means when i can get 100 birds to stay if i share with u ah means meaby calling 50 to 80 to go stay at yr place then me only have 20 left.***,,,its an BIZ lah.to get the most customers as possible.we r all full time nest farmers,traders n processor not hobby lovers or meaby u share half of yr gaji with me??? today aready share many info fru guys.at indon nest are not allow to be farm at town area many years ago,any nest farm at town area with over 1000pieces conditions is worst than any cicken farm not to talk about farms with over 10,000pcs of nest.jus imagine if u have an pieces of land at town area n u go apply licences to do cicken farm will the gov approf fr u??wake up,,sooner or later gov tsunami will be here tru the years we had make many contribution but no need to let u guys know lah,even u know also u wont relise wat we r doing.let the tsunami come sinces we r ready fr it cause many is hiding n kep on the good work This post has been edited by kohloh: Jul 27 2008, 10:52 PM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Jul 28 2008, 12:41 PM
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Wah so long the the write out.
I had to print out...hahaha.To james or swiftbuild, how much do you sale your love portion.? I had tried nest tech, like shit. You are not CON-sultant rite as you are given free or charge? Kelvin, receive your order and product just now, will try out your hormone.My uncle want to thank you for saving his BH last month.Now improve alots.Never mind about what people said, keep up the good work. Kelvin do not charge any failed farm so those who had failed farm perhaps can call him up. My uncle did and we are happy to know him. Regards, Hj This post has been edited by hockjoo: Jul 28 2008, 12:42 PM |
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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jul 27 2008, 07:14 PM) ![]() ![]() ![]() Hi,Seeseng,U r very right.Some good volunteer just confirmed the stupid act of the PERHILITAN by emailed to me the photos taken from LCCI inside the departure.I am putting it up here. This is the main reason for the recent drop in prices in the bird'snests in M'sia only.Looks like it will continue dripping downwards till dont know when unless someone/ones are prepared to do something immediately to stop the PERHILITAN from further damaging this with hidden agenda.Every farmer and those involved in the trade will be hard pressed and crying soon.M'sia 's economy will be greatly affected.I bet u if there is any by-election,there will be Tsunami again to defeat the BN Federal Govt due to this small bunch of clowns from PERHILITAN pulling their own master's leg.BN never learnt.Do u know that 80% of the BH owners voted for the oppositions during last election? 1)In the past,without such implementation,there were many foreign buyers from e,g Indon and China,flew in here 4 to 6 times a month to fight for the nests.Becos of this stupid act of the PERHILITAN and its bereaucratic,red tapes, inefficiency,time consuming procedure and system that made thing difficult and inconvenient for the foreign buyers,thus,it deterred them from flying in as frequent as b4.Nowadays,if they do come,they come in submarine,may be once a month.And provided,your selling price is dirt cheap.If u dont sell,others will as they have their bank loan commitment or their children are studying in overseas. 2) A small group of volunteers are presently investigating and researching into the WILD LIFE ACT,suspecting that the PERHILITAN is circumventing the law and abusing their power by implementing such action by misleading the Minister concerned and jumping the gun for hidden agenda.They think that it is illegaL AND ILLEGITIMATE for the PERHILITAN to do that.They are waiting for certain evidences.They confirm those cases u mentioned are true and there are much more which have not been exposed. 3) This small group has highlighted and appealed to the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce recently requesting them to help to look into the matter seriously by using their established resources, manpower and machinery.Only the Chamber has the experience,calibre,ability,unity, sincerity and the machinery to do that with the past proven records.YOU may ask,where the hell are the birdnests associations and what have they done? Let me tell you this.Most of the committee members from the numerous birdnest associations across M'sia are of no calibres,useless, selfish and what the Chinese say "small People".Many of them can not read or write proper.For those who are of higher calibre and with better education background,wont want to do the dirty job for own hidden agenda.They only want to hold positions with their name cards printed to impress the newbies so they can act as Con-sultants or at the end of the days get nominated for the Sultans'A to Z titles.This also goes to the self- proclaimed Federation President ,a senior Dato from Kedah who is good for nothing.Just imagine,he was the YB and Exco in Kedah for many years,yet,till today,he did nothing during his tenure as Exco to convince the former BN Govt to license the BHs in Kedah.In fact,he himself owns the most BHs with no less than 100s in the region.He should thank to this trade as he was the developer one time burdened with hundreds of unable to sell shophouses b4 this trade emerged.He could have gone bankrupt.In Kedah,almost every farmer got harassed and summoned except his.This is the truth all Kedah BH farmers know and angry with.Understand today,he is blessed with lung cancer due to the too many "good deeds" done. 4)Also that,many associations committee can not see eye to eye due to conflict of interest or crash of business.One worst example is the former unscrupulous 1st President of the M""" Birdnest Association.Of course,not everyone is like that,there are some very dedicated,committed,sincere,prepared to contribute and yet frustrated committee from various associations,except that their numbers are very little,isolated and short-handed and inexperienced. These good men should surface, take the lead widen the gene-pool to hunt down each other and keep in touch with each other,put aside their differences and be united and organised with true sense of commitment,dedication to fight for what they sworn as a committee for the betterment for this industry which in the end of the day,their own interest as well. 5) These sincere committee from various individual associations together with those educated readers with righteousness of this blog should volunteer jointly to help out the Chamber to help this industry and in the end help your ownself,hopefully,b4 it is too late. If everyone were to contribute a little in his own positive way or resource and be united with no personal agenda and with one heart,I think those high-handed clowns from the PERHILITAN would retreat. 6) Just sit back and close your eyes for a while,dont fall asleep,start visualising what will happen if nobody comes forwards and volunteer to help in the situation?Just imagine what will happen to your already spent few hundreds thousands to the millions of yours or your dad's life time saving of investment?There is a saying,becomes water.Or do u want to take chance to count on luck that some samaritan would be sent by god to help resolve your immediate problem?So,u want to help urself or u want someone to help u and what if,that someone forget to turn up?Who has more to lose?Its either u come out to help urself or u assist others to help urself in so many ways. 6) I understand that The Federation of The Chinese Chamber of Commerce in KL will be organising a seminar cum symposium to discuss mainly this issue besides other birdnest related topics on 02.08.08 Saturday from 10 am onwards.I would like to appeal to this blog readers who are concern of the future of ths industry and prepare to contribute and to help out to help urself,please voluntarily call up the following phone to register to attend and for details.Participation is limited.Construtive proposals and actions expected and welcome.Also,spread the msg to persuade those whom u think would be able to contribute.We are on the same 'sampan'now,every single drop of help is important.Everyone of us can contribute in many different ways to reverse the situatiuon to our favour.Only with UNITY,can we win. No point for all of us talk c*** here and do nothing positive. There is a saying,everybody expects somebody to do it,in the end nobody does it and then everybody hugs each other and sink! Do u want that? 03-21452503 Mrs Kam, secretary (FEDERATION OF THE CHINESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE) GOOD LUCK If you want to talk about politics, there are other forum, creating anti government sentiments in swiftlets forum will only create problem to swiftlet communities. SO, pls refrain from doing so as I know that MCA has a division handling matters concerning swiftlets and have been concerned about the matter. Although, I wasn't involve in politics but wishes to thank them for their concerned. Swftlets members consist of either Government or Opposition supporters. Therefore, if any parties, politics or NGOs wish to help us, we welcome and appreciate their concerns and assistance. Who to vote and how to vote, I believe that we shall leave it to the members themselve and I believe we are clever enough to think for ourselve. If Perhilitan is the problem, why not bring to the attention of your Yang Berhormat, if they are Yang Berhormat or otherwise Tak Dihormat. Begging your pardon, above are my opinions and comment and has no political motive, thus, my sincere apologize if feel offended. Only concerned if it goes too far creating anti government forum here and offended the Federal Government and that's will be hell for us. Good health for all who help us, AMEN Added on July 28, 2008, 5:22 pm QUOTE(hockjoo @ Jul 28 2008, 12:41 PM) Wah so long the the write out. Really that Kelvin provide Free service, then I would want him to visit me to have a look at my new BH. So, Kelvin, I seek an appointment with you @ my place to investigate problem with my BH and tell me the date and time. Hope to see you soon .I had to print out...hahaha.To james or swiftbuild, how much do you sale your love portion.? I had tried nest tech, like shit. You are not CON-sultant rite as you are given free or charge? Kelvin, receive your order and product just now, will try out your hormone.My uncle want to thank you for saving his BH last month.Now improve alots.Never mind about what people said, keep up the good work. Kelvin do not charge any failed farm so those who had failed farm perhaps can call him up. My uncle did and we are happy to know him. Regards, Hj Nest Tech portion........like shit and luckly that I didn't use them cos I use my own bird shit, FOC, hahaha. Thanks for the info and how about Kelvin hormone, working well? and about James hormone? PM me .......and we may discuss more about shit, hormone, aroma and perfumes. Some are really OK, you know. This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 28 2008, 05:22 PM |
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州大臣:市區養燕問題多‧登尋地點闢養燕區
http://mykampung.sinchew.com.my/node/38400?tid=10 To swiftlet breeders from KT, I intend to build a farm out side of KT town ( low density kampong area ). Will the proposed centralisation farming give any impact to my project ? |
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Jul 28 2008, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(KELVINHENG @ Jul 26 2008, 07:42 PM) Kelvin,KT forwarder until today never deliver the stock..... Every day tai chee kung fu....today story no ending... Please check with him.....When is the actual date and time? I lazy to listen today story every day.... Please............... Regards Tang |
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Jul 28 2008, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(wtrbird @ Jul 27 2008, 03:07 PM) Hi West Wing, Hi Wtr,Ya, I did came across the rules and regulation for building a BH. Wait & see what will happen..... Infact the bandaraya ppl did came & advise to submit plan for d building & apply license (just verbal without any document). Their said if not anything happen then susah lah....scare the building collapse! I think sooner or later need to apply license already, because bandaraya ppl already knew we going to build a BH. I believe out there still have a lot of BH operate without any licensing. I had thought of that before, meaning go thru proper procedure. Somehow, my contractor told me that need to go thru lot of procedure & 2nd consume lot of time. Because it’s an agriculture land & need to apply for land lot splitting these & that lah.....if u want to build a building. Eventually, we still proceed without applying / submitting anything. For the GF, we do not want leave it empty, we just proceed & do it. ( My BH is a stand-alone type at kampong area somewhere at Kedah). Not me alone lah...with some member. This is also due to some already have their own BH (1-2kg/mth – 4 YO farm) and their claimed their idea is better & other one tak boleh pakai lah.... trust me lah..!!!! Look like everyone can become a consultant already. For me, no harm learning, listening & trying. We always look for the better & enhance the existing one. Learning is part of our life mah. In fact I’ve bought the love potion from James our member here. Very excited & wish it can show some amazing result as shown at his blog. Yr opinion, i think it make sense (will take note – thanks). wtrbird Well, if you wish your new BH can get imagine results with aroma or other newly prodcuts, then i wish you are lucky then. What I tried to said is the successful BH is not only rely on aroma or potion. You can check here that some BHs even with more good results without applying those so call amazing liquid. Myself have tried some products and i dun see good results. One of my uncle friends tried the new one also no immediate results. So I guess for you and for newbie is to think and get more feedback 1st and not only read what they claimed a effective one Anyhow, since your BH will soon operate and may be you can tell us how is the results later then |
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Jul 28 2008, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 28 2008, 06:21 PM) 州大臣:市區養燕問題多‧登尋地點闢養燕區 An article borrowed from World of Swiftlet Farming Blog.http://mykampung.sinchew.com.my/node/38400?tid=10 To swiftlet breeders from KT, I intend to build a farm out side of KT town ( low density kampong area ). Will the proposed centralisation farming give any impact to my project ? Monday, July 28, 2008 Monkeys Still Alive !!!! It is disgusting to hear that some monkeys are actually planning to locate a place for swiftlet farming in KT.....and then asked those existing farmers to relocate to that area.... Did u smells something here.....monkeys still alive lah!!! some jokers are trying to profit from this thing....buy a cheap land ( no need to buy...JV wt the monkeys lah then can get free land, build a swiftlet eco park and get those farmers to buy there...can share profits already mah!!! huge one too....) niamah!!!! Are u sure u want to wipe out the earlier investment that farmers have invested, lets calculate : estimated 50,000 farms in malaysia : renovation works : assume each farm spends about RM30,000 to renovate .... Total Invested Amount : RM 1,500,000,000.00 (this is just renovation works). Most of the farms, i would said, 80% are situated in not so crowded places, and the shoplots if not used for farming, will end up idle..vacant!!!! with no revenue!!!!!!! If included the shops investment, this worked out to :::::: RM 11,500,000,000.00 So, did the monkeys do this calculation before talk kok!!!! I applauded MCA and the federal Govt that earlier, Ong ka chuan had mentioned that the govt allowed ` All shoplots to operate as Swiftlet farm!!!!! '... So the monkeys please follow lah!!!! sudah dapat kereta bagus ....sekarang mau apa lagi!!!! Lamborgini kah!!!!! niamah!!! |
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QUOTE(seeseng @ Jul 28 2008, 11:33 PM) An article borrowed from World of Swiftlet Farming Blog. Sometime I wonder that the road ahead for those having BHs in the town are going to face alot of troubles. One of the reasons because those not doing BH will always complain and everything that happened are cause by swiftlets. Dengue, fever, insect bite, and only one month ago, a man whose wife just admitted to the hospital for mental disorder blamed it on the swiftlet sound. Maybe, earthquake and flood maybe blamed on us.Monday, July 28, 2008 Monkeys Still Alive !!!! It is disgusting to hear that some monkeys are actually planning to locate a place for swiftlet farming in KT.....and then asked those existing farmers to relocate to that area.... Did u smells something here.....monkeys still alive lah!!! some jokers are trying to profit from this thing....buy a cheap land ( no need to buy...JV wt the monkeys lah then can get free land, build a swiftlet eco park and get those farmers to buy there...can share profits already mah!!! huge one too....) niamah!!!! Are u sure u want to wipe out the earlier investment that farmers have invested, lets calculate : estimated 50,000 farms in malaysia : renovation works : assume each farm spends about RM30,000 to renovate .... more Total Invested Amount : RM 1,500,000,000.00 (this is just renovation works). Most of the farms, i would said, 80% are situated in not so crowded places, and the shoplots if not used for farming, will end up idle..vacant!!!! with no revenue!!!!!!! moreIf included the shops investment, this worked out to :::::: RM 11,500,000,000.00 mo So, did the monkeys do this calculation before talk kok!!!! I applauded MCA and the federal Govt that earlier, Ong ka chuan had mentioned that the govt allowed ` All shoplots to operate as Swiftlet farm!!!!! '... So the monkeys please follow lah!!!! sudah dapat kereta bagus ....sekarang mau apa lagi!!!! Lamborgini kah!!!!! niamah!!! Now, the biggest problem will be the big scale developers building 100 or so BHs called Eco Parks or Swiftlet Estate for sales. If the sales response are bad, they will resort to using their influence in the government to shut or pull down BHs in the towns so that all will have to move to their buildings. If this happened, billions of ringgit will be lost and many may go bankrupt. Even worse, people can move, but will the birds follow? So, all those who want to venture into this Buz must take precaution and be united, join Swiftlets Associations in your area and be united to be strong. Try to avoid confrontation and misunderstanding with your neighbours. Be considerate and understanding to their complaints. Keep the sound to the reasonable volume. Respect the bylaws of the local government. We hope that by doing so, we may have the blessing of the authorities and their supports. I once asked a federal minister whether he support this industry and his answer is . This industry has potential and can earn alot of foreign exchange for the country and that's very good but if the raayat complain, we have to act and oppose. I agreed with SeeSang view and like SeeSang mentioned that the federal government and MCA also supported this industry so we hope to maintain such support and to have many more friends in high position to champion our industry and assist us. Make peace with all so that there will be no war. |
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QUOTE(mlknest @ Jul 28 2008, 11:07 PM) Hi Wtr, Agreed with you mlknest, I guess many here also used those aroma, perfume, potion or may be later more new one will come to the market la......so? any good results? Well, if you wish your new BH can get imagine results with aroma or other newly prodcuts, then i wish you are lucky then. What I tried to said is the successful BH is not only rely on aroma or potion. You can check here that some BHs even with more good results without applying those so call amazing liquid. Myself have tried some products and i dun see good results. One of my uncle friends tried the new one also no immediate results. So I guess for you and for newbie is to think and get more feedback 1st and not only read what they claimed a effective one Anyhow, since your BH will soon operate and may be you can tell us how is the results later then For me first I also try try and hope it can jalan and birds come come la, But ka-na-sai as after few tests and now I hardly believe it can bring good results la unless they can provide evidence like before and after, contact of owner for us to visit or verify, not just said only lor. Saying is easy wah |
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QUOTE(Ana.kepong @ Jul 29 2008, 11:51 AM) Agreed with you mlknest, I guess many here also used those aroma, perfume, potion or may be later more new one will come to the market la......so? any good results? Many rely on the help of potions while their own BH basic micro habitat not even achieved. Then later blame the potions cheat money, use liaw LPPL also etc. You cannot depend on potion to solve your problems. Unless your BH achieved the KACA-SUSU without a problem then potions may help in some ways only to make birds become permanant sooner.For me first I also try try and hope it can jalan and birds come come la, But ka-na-sai as after few tests and now I hardly believe it can bring good results la unless they can provide evidence like before and after, contact of owner for us to visit or verify, not just said only lor. Saying is easy wah This post has been edited by seeseng: Jul 29 2008, 12:16 PM |
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QUOTE(tangsn @ Jul 28 2008, 09:12 PM) Kelvin, Your things delayed 3 months already or not? If less than 3 months cannot complaint. Many more than 3 months also didn't complain. Fed up already.KT forwarder until today never deliver the stock..... Every day tai chee kung fu....today story no ending... Please check with him.....When is the actual date and time? I lazy to listen today story every day.... Please............... Regards Tang AF swiftlet in PERHILITAN chart under 1 category. Under WWF chart cave swiftlet and house AF swiftlet under 2 different category. Indonesia following WWF standard. Only Malaysia want to create their own standard. When WWF confirming the standards in a conference in Surabaya Malaysia did send over some professor rank people there to participate but apparently he/she went there to sleep only. Otherwise it's his/her superior don't want to follow the standard. Why I want to help those 2nd class cina make money? Make them susah-susah I baru siok~ |
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Jul 29 2008, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(seeseng @ Jul 29 2008, 12:11 PM) Many rely on the help of potions while their own BH basic micro habitat not even achieved. Then later blame the potions cheat money, use liaw LPPL also etc. You cannot depend on potion to solve your problems. Unless your BH achieved the KACA-SUSU without a problem then potions may help in some ways only to make birds become permanant sooner. You got point here and agreed. But i would say most also need "LUCK" i guess. Look at what Lucas 1 post on 22-Jul below: Sometime all basic micro habiatat done but you need the LUCK and time may be I think u are right that I am still quite blur in this industry despites I already own a number of BHs.Some are already many yrs and some are new.Some are doing well and some are not that well. Many methods were used including the spankling of birdshit,ammonia and the so called aroma from EKA.From my personal experiences,my fastest in bird staying in and building of nests BHs are those not using the above formula. 4 yrs ago,I started blasting off the invitation music on 4 separate units of new BHs with same design in the same Taman on the same day.All with same music.2 with above mentioned ingredients added.2 were 'kosong' and so cleaned that I could roll on the floor without dirtying myself. After 2 months,I found a few nest bases started on the 2 'kosong' BHs whereas the other 2 with ingredients added took more than 5 months b4 I saw a couple of bases. So,If you were to ask me,I could only scratch my head. I ever applied 'HORMONE' and the aroma purchased from the famous N*** T*** on those not so well BHs and after 6 months yet no improvement.Whereas for those already doing well,I did nothing,they keep on doubling up. So,u see,I am at a loss.How I wish that someone could come out with a good explaination and if possible,a conrete and proven solution or method to share and enlighten all of us. I do not mind in rewarding reasonably to those who are prepared to share their proven findings with me. I do appreciate and I think it is fair to compensate their time and effort. |
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Hi, I have just discovered this thread through google even though I have been pretty active in Lowyat.NET for the past 2 years. I am very interested in this industry and is picking up the knowledges from Sifu here before building my BH DIY style.
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Dear all sifu...........
Any recomendation for installing cctv for one month old BH with got one half nest ? Need to find out the budget first before decide which one is more suitable to use. Thanks all sifu............ |
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