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 V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc

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post Jul 23 2008, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:49 PM)
Sorry,Kelvin,I didint mean to insult u or any other consultant.I must admit that I was blur as I didnt know whose package offer it was from. I only spoke out what I felt that seemed not logic and clear in that 'ADVERTISEMENT'.I dont know who is goldennest,whitenest,supernest etc.Neither do I know who is who.Now only I realise that u are pearlnest and pearlnest is u.No hard feeling ,pl.

Nevertheless,my offer still stands and open to anybody or any'nest' who can help me to do up another new BH without me having to go through all the hustles personally.Of course,it is subjected to further details in agreement to avoid misunderstanding and its going to be POST- PAID.

I think u are right that I am still quite blur in this industry despites I already own a number of BHs.Some are already many yrs and some are new.Some are doing well and some are not that well. Many methods were used including the spankling of birdshit,ammonia and the so called aroma from EKA.From my personal experiences,my fastest in bird staying in and building of nests BHs are those not using the above formula. 4 yrs ago,I started blasting off the invitation music on 4 separate units of new BHs with same design in the same Taman on the same day.All with same music.2 with above mentioned ingredients added.2 were 'kosong' and so cleaned that I could roll on the floor without dirtying myself. After 2 months,I found a few nest bases started on the 2 'kosong' BHs whereas the other 2 with ingredients added took more than 5 months b4 I saw a couple of bases. So,If you were to ask me,I could only scratch my head.

I ever applied 'HORMONE' and the aroma purchased from the famous N*** T*** on those not so well BHs and after 6 months yet no improvement.Whereas for those already doing well,I did nothing,they keep on doubling up. So,u see,I am at a loss.How I wish that someone could come out with a good explaination and if possible,a conrete and proven solution or method to share and enlighten all of us. I do not mind in rewarding reasonably to those who are prepared to share their proven findings with me. I do appreciate and I think it is fair to compensate their time and effort.
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I understand your worry and you should not be buying expensive hormone or perfume when you don not have any bird in your BH.
These are only apply when you have birds in the BH but with no or unsatisfaction of nests. Using these products when there is no bird will not produce any nest as there is no bird. What you need to invest is in the sound system and later if birds enter but not staying, you need to correct the situation in the BH.

Your hormone should be donated to me as I find them too expensive to my liking although with no offend to all Selling Hormones or prefumes. I may have to purchase if any or my BHs fail to produce result in the future. I am also surveying for cheaper quality although many would argue that good thing don't come cheap. Personally, I fnd them expensive..............that's my opinion only and I am not offering cheaper alternative here. Wait until I find one or I invented one, then I would let you all know. Hope that the price can come down so more NEW BHs ranchers can afford to buy since they have invested so much money in the renovation and rental lost.


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post Jul 23 2008, 07:01 AM

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Mr. Kelvin Heng

You got my SMS and PM regarding my earlier post? I am still waiting to hear from you.

Tq.

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post Jul 23 2008, 08:25 AM

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Anyone saw the banner in KLIA about imposing tax on bird nest? I guess there are just too many people taking it to China by hand-carrying.
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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:49 PM)
Sorry,Kelvin,I didint mean to insult u or any other consultant.I must admit that I was blur as I didnt know whose package offer it was from. I only spoke out what I felt that seemed not logic and clear in that 'ADVERTISEMENT'.I dont know who is goldennest,whitenest,supernest etc.Neither do I know who is who.Now only I realise that u are pearlnest and pearlnest is u.No hard feeling ,pl.

Nevertheless,my offer still stands and open to anybody or any'nest' who can help me to do up another new BH without me having to go through all the hustles personally.Of course,it is subjected to further details in agreement to avoid misunderstanding and its going to be POST- PAID.

I think u are right that I am still quite blur in this industry despites I already own a number of BHs.Some are already many yrs and some are new.Some are doing well and some are not that well. Many methods were used including the spankling of birdshit,ammonia and the so called aroma from EKA.From my personal experiences,my fastest in bird staying in and building of nests BHs are those not using the above formula. 4 yrs ago,I started blasting off the invitation music on 4 separate units of new BHs with same design in the same Taman on the same day.All with same music.2 with above mentioned ingredients added.2 were 'kosong' and so cleaned that I could roll on the floor without dirtying myself. After 2 months,I found a few nest bases started on the 2 'kosong' BHs whereas the other 2 with ingredients added took more than 5 months b4 I saw a couple of bases. So,If you were to ask me,I could only scratch my head.

I ever applied 'HORMONE' and the aroma purchased from the famous N*** T*** on those not so well BHs and after 6 months yet no improvement.Whereas for those already doing well,I did nothing,they keep on doubling up. So,u see,I am at a loss.How I wish that someone could come out with a good explaination and if possible,a conrete and proven solution or method to share and enlighten all of us. I do not mind in rewarding reasonably to those who are prepared to share their proven findings with me. I do appreciate and I think it is fair to compensate their time and effort.
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Hi Lucas, swiftlet farming is not as easy as many ppl though here, as i am a consultant also not easy....example b4 you talk to me personally...u already have doubt, same goes with bird house. Your entrance sizes...design, roving area, wood plank sizes, temperature and the sound aerodynamic...must all in correct position. i know it is frustrating when you had a failed farm....

Look it on the bright side is that you still can help your farm now as august coming. You still 1 step ahead of ppl who did not have any bh yet. what i can do is that maybe you visit me and let me explain. i never charge anyone for failed farm.

lastly, if anyone who think i am offreing too cheap of my rm 23,800 package....then perhaps....anyone can suggest how much i should charge my customer? you know how much i make from this? if anone who think this package are too damn cheap...then please offer a price for 20 x 70 ( open roof top design). Lucas...you first?

For applying medicine, have to see the area, you do not have to apply bird shit all around and lucas, i never did that, bird shit is to put on the entrance hole and middle of nesting area. Hormone, you can apply once got nest,

Your rm 50k can let me do 4 if i diy myself. Why not like this, since you offer this, i will do your unit,,,,,,no need to pay...then when got 100 nest within 2 years...u pay me rm 38k......We make agreement... and i do not TC. Where is your place, i do this coz....not i greed for money....but to prove all this member here i dont TC only. James or swiftbuild, seeseng, west wing , Bslee79 or 69 ing, or anyone want to be part to witness this event, please come forward. Lucas, call me for this.

Since all members are here to read, please offer all your experty regarding lucas failed farm, i will offer my service for you free for your failed farm,.

Thank you

kelvin c c heng
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PS: Mr calvin lee, i had post 6 cd to you today as i am bck to kl, last few weeks went to sg petani, completing project. I am very greatful for your help, thanks.


Added on July 23, 2008, 9:01 am
QUOTE(alexdiong @ Jul 23 2008, 08:25 AM)
Anyone saw the banner in KLIA about imposing tax on bird nest? I guess there are just too many people taking it to China by hand-carrying.
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hi there, how much ther charge per kg. Thank you

kelvin

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post Jul 23 2008, 11:46 AM

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Mr. Kelvin,

Thanks. I got the full e-book but couldn't find the CD. Will it be by download or by post?

Thanks again.
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QUOTE(alexdiong @ Jul 23 2008, 08:25 AM)
Anyone saw the banner in KLIA about imposing tax on bird nest? I guess there are just too many people taking it to China by hand-carrying.
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what they write??? detail pls....smile.gif

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post Jul 24 2008, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 23 2008, 05:41 PM)
what they write??? detail pls....smile.gif
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It's still early for April Fool joke and R U sure brother? Hand carry also keno tax and what's about tourists taking them back home also tax. Where can, no law or stupid law. Alot like above 3 KGs..............maybe cos the Govt. need monies to pay petrol subsidies, hahahaha. Maybe Govt. impost max. half KG per person taking out. If this is the case, then our big brother like LHK and rest may as well close shop.

If D true, pls. tell us. Appreciated
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post Jul 24 2008, 10:44 AM

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When you made mistakes, face it, be responsible to it. Not making excuses. I am not consultant nor anyone in the industry. I'm just one of the many many frustrated customers who paid but need to keep on follow up calls, emails etc for months. Keep getting promises. Old promises became empty promises replace by new promises. New promises later on postponed to another empty promises. Called the main number nobody answer then got another number from other souces then call got people answer. 2 numbers belong to 1 same person 1 can be very busy then other one not? I'm so frustrated I do not want my goods any more. Keep it. Keep the money. Consider my donation. Keep on follow up is bad for health I will get high blood pressure or worse heart attack.
Why should I call you? You're not worth the 30cents. Why must only talk 1 on 1? It's not a point of who's brave and who's coward here. Do you get the point? Call me chicken or coward is fine but it is IRRELEVANT to the matter. You got guts, big balls, 3 balls you're very very dare.... SO? doh.gif <--facepalm action like Anwar made when debated with Shabery Chick corner nest. 1 word. Irrelevant. How good are you in term of knowledge in the industry or how many theories is also irrelevant to what I had mentioned. That's another story. What I mention is only about business moral and responsibility. Simple yet many can't achieve.

Can't face the general public? Worry more victims' evidence leak out? If you're really clean be transparent. Let the public know. If really made mistake apologize lor. Don't deny the truth. Actually I got more evidence in hand from other sources. When delayed a customer's order for many months finally sent the goods and customer received. Is that consider settled? Settled in term of business deal maybe. In term of moral it's already a scar to the business. Once customer had such bad experience will they buy again? A successful customer cannot be used to "Contra" with a bad experience customer. This is not accounting. Got 10 good customers can mean cover up for 1 bad customer? The bad experienced customer can consider never exist? Many successful customers then congratulation. But the list of bad experienced frustrated customers also equally big list. Which statement I've made is not true? Then only can consider I'm sabotaging. If my statement are the truth then it should be useful information to the general public. Period.
p/s send regards to Chan Poh Tiang & Chan May Ghee


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post Jul 24 2008, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(BSLEE79 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:44 AM)
When you made mistakes, face it, be responsible to it. Not making excuses. I am not consultant nor anyone in the industry. I'm just one of the many many frustrated customers who paid but need to keep on follow up calls, emails etc for months. Keep getting promises. Old promises became empty promises replace by new promises. New promises later on postponed to another empty promises.  Called the main number nobody answer then got another number from other souces then call got people answer. 2 numbers belong to 1 same person 1 can be very busy then other one not? I'm so frustrated I do not want my goods any more. Keep it. Keep the money. Consider my donation. Keep on follow up is bad for health I will get high blood pressure or worse heart attack.
Why should I call you? You're not worth the 30cents. Why must only talk 1 on 1? It's not a point of who's brave and who's coward here. Do you get the point? Call me chicken or coward is fine but it is IRRELEVANT to the matter. You got guts, big balls, 3 balls you're very very dare.... SO?  doh.gif    <--facepalm action like Anwar made when debated with Shabery Chick corner nest.  1 word. Irrelevant. How good are you in term of knowledge in the industry or how many theories is also irrelevant to what I had mentioned. That's another story. What I mention is only about business moral and responsibility. Simple yet many can't achieve.

Can't face the general public? Worry more victims' evidence leak out? If you're really clean be transparent. Let the public know. If really made mistake apologize lor. Don't deny the truth. Actually I got more evidence in hand from other sources.  When delayed a customer's order for many months finally sent the goods and customer received. Is that consider settled? Settled in term of business deal maybe. In term of moral it's already a scar to the business. Once customer had such bad experience will they buy again? A successful customer cannot be used to "Contra" with a bad experience customer. This is not accounting. Got 10 good customers can mean cover up for 1 bad customer? The bad experienced customer can consider never exist? Many successful customers then congratulation. But the list of bad experienced frustrated customers also equally big list. Which statement I've made is not true? Then only can consider I'm sabotaging. If my statement are the truth then it should be useful information to the general public. Period.
p/s send regards to Chan Poh Tiang & Chan May Ghee

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Ok what did i owe you then i selttle it as my customer are too many, listed your demand and i greatly fulfill it.
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call me when you have Balls....

kelvin heng
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QUOTE(KELVINHENG @ Jul 24 2008, 12:32 PM)
Ok what did i owe you then i selttle it as my customer are too many, listed your demand and i greatly fulfill it.
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I'm absolutely agreed with BSLee79, because I'm also one of the victim cry.gif . He still owe me 2 tweeter. but never follow up with him, don't want to waste my phone call money. So happen I came across to this forum & discovered the same problem that I facing before, exactly the same...I thought not bad also at lease I got 1 CD, but after 4 months only got it. for the tweeter just forget it ..cheap..cheap any way. The CD I got also cheap cheap one, lot of distortion, noise.... no sure like thunder sound or what noise at the back ground. Ready waited by phone call money to follow up for the lousy CD. Eventually throw inside the longkang. mad.gif vmad.gif

Friend, world is very small, be integrity and ethical in b'z then you only can sustain in b'z. Do what you said and delivery what u've offered, some more ppl already paid and so many follow up call also end up get nothing. Don't blamed ppl or said ppl sabotage u, u think ppl so free kah? What ever thing happen only u yourself know and the rest of the ppl who dealing with u know. no need to talk much or call 1 to 1, no point. Just fulfill what u said or offer, that it. Ppl also not asking for extra.........

Sorry for cucuk u in this forum, because I really tak boleh tahan to see your attitude & b'z model in b'z vmad.gif . Pls lah, if you think u so busy then don't take so much order. I think is good that u stated clearly the delivery date required 4 to 8 week - normally for over sea goods delivery take this long period. may be your one need 4 to 8 months ke ke ke.... rclxm9.gif because I already experienced it. Imagine if u were us how do u feel? sweat.gif

May be u already "kaya & cheak pah beh pau" (in hokkean), if it's true then u should stop yr b'z & don't get so many complain over here. If not. do it in the proper way then everybody will trust you & like to dealing with you mah..correct or not? wub.gif

Think back what thing need to be done & fulfill it, don't wait until ppl to call u, check yr order, don't just counting the money only. If not, I think may be Kena too much aroma & potion already. rclxub.gif Can't be help............. doh.gif Good Luck Man! wink.gif

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QUOTE(wtrbird @ Jul 24 2008, 03:00 PM)
I'm absolutely agreed with BSLee79, because I'm also one of the victim cry.gif . He still owe me 2 tweeter. but never follow up with him, don't want to waste my phone call money. So happen I came across to this forum & discovered the same problem that I facing before, exactly the same...I thought not bad also at lease I got 1 CD, but after 4 months only got it. for the tweeter just forget it ..cheap..cheap any way. The CD I got also cheap cheap one, lot of distortion, noise.... no sure like thunder sound or what noise at the back ground. Ready waited by phone call money to follow up for the lousy CD. Eventually throw inside the longkang. mad.gif  vmad.gif

Friend, world is very small, be integrity and ethical in b'z then you only can sustain in b'z. Do what you said and delivery what u've offered, some more ppl already paid and so many follow up call also end up get nothing. Don't blamed ppl or said ppl sabotage u, u think ppl so free kah? What ever thing happen only u yourself know and the rest of the ppl who dealing with u know. no need to talk much or call 1 to 1, no point. Just fulfill what u said or offer, that it. Ppl also not asking for extra.........

Sorry for cucuk u in this forum, because I really tak boleh tahan to see your attitude & b'z model in b'z vmad.gif  . Pls lah, if you think u so busy then don't take so much order. I think is good that u stated clearly the delivery date required 4 to 8 week - normally for over sea goods delivery take this long period. may be your one need 4 to 8 months ke ke ke.... rclxm9.gif because I already experienced it. Imagine if u were us how do u feel?  sweat.gif

May be u already "kaya & cheak pah beh pau" (in hokkean), if it's true then u should stop yr b'z & don't get so many complain over here. If not. do it in the proper way then everybody will trust you & like to dealing with you mah..correct or not? wub.gif

Think back what thing need to be done & fulfill it, don't wait until ppl to call u, check yr order, don't just counting the money only. If not, I think may be Kena too much aroma & potion already.  rclxub.gif Can't be help............. doh.gif Good Luck Man! wink.gif

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I had the same experience too so I keep my distance from this person since I had enough of his empty promises
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post Jul 25 2008, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(GOHCHUA @ Jul 24 2008, 07:39 PM)
I had the same experience too so I keep my distance from this person since I had enough of his empty promises
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Yupp tweeter are cheap, but effective in bird house, my order really too many...even as we speak, sorry di not follow up my order with you...guys. I will recheck my status on your product and resend...anyway, thanks for purchasing my product.....

Will perhaps a full name or phone would be appropriate in displaying your forum here. So....your name and phone.How do i know you are same person with bs lee 79 + 69 ing+ gohchua+ and whatever.

Thank you

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kelvin heng


ps: dont just post without phone no

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Ok what did i owe you then i selttle it as my customer are too many, listed your demand and i greatly fulfill it.
tahnks
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kelvin heng
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Kelvin Heng,

Where is my stock?
So answer my call if you have ball.

Regards
Tang
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post Jul 26 2008, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(tangsn @ Jul 25 2008, 08:29 PM)
Ok what did i owe you then i selttle it as my customer are too many, listed your demand and i greatly fulfill it.
tahnks
call me when you have Balls....

kelvin heng
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Kelvin Heng,

Where is my stock?
So answer my call if you have ball.

Regards
Tang
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Mr tang...your stock with you already?

cd follow the instructions.

Thank You.
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HI GUYS.....how do you do? i am newbies here...hope and get some tips from all the great sifu.

hock.joo

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my email swiftletnest@yahoo.com................add me all consultant
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post Jul 26 2008, 09:17 PM

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Welcome, newbies.
I am west wing and hope to share all about BH and swiftlets with you. Learn the little that I know and I shall learn from you.

Be true and honest with us and we shall be your best and sincere friends. Here, we have good Sifus although not the very best but the most sincere of them all.

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 26 2008, 09:17 PM)
Welcome, newbies.
I am west wing and hope to share all about BH and swiftlets with you. Learn  the little that I know and I shall learn from you.

Be true and honest with us and we shall be your best and sincere friends. Here, we have good Sifus although not the very best  but the most sincere of them all.
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Hi Loyat I met and dinner with you in KT. Pulau Kapas serminar. May I join your forum and hope to learn more about Swiftlet Farming.
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 26 2008, 09:17 PM)
Welcome, newbies.
I am west wing and hope to share all about BH and swiftlets with you. Learn  the little that I know and I shall learn from you.

Be true and honest with us and we shall be your best and sincere friends. Here, we have good Sifus although not the very best  but the most sincere of them all.
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Hi to all Sifus, my bh is a 2 storey 20 x 70 & just completed haven't turn on the sound yet, may be this 1 or 2 days time. I DIY & get some infor here & there & also idea that from our friend's ebook. Now I've 1 issue to discuss & perhaps all sifus can give some idea/comment regarding the ground floor partitioning. Currently, i do not put up any partition & it's total open. bird will fly down thru staircase with 4 x 11 opening fr upper floor.

Some said, is good that to partition it to maintain room temp & brightness and as well as the bird in there will feel secured. For the brightness, i've observed & don't think is a issue - consider dark & just only able to see the opening area, but very dim(view from 1 corner at the end, never use any instrument). It's just my thought. Wish sifus can given some idea/comments. TQ.....


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