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dasecret
post Mar 17 2017, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:30 PM)
For now 6.20%. Jangan ada correction sudah... Let it run  biggrin.gif
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That means annualised return is double of ASx ler. So you need to thank the folks here for asking you to dump ASx and buy UT or not

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:34 PM)
Buy more when it's going up and up? What logic is that? Please explain...
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Well, in a bull run if you buy when it started picking up is better than wait for the bear to come before you buy. Because you would have lose out on the bull while waiting for correction; there's opportunity cost of waiting.
Eg would be: If you diligently buy ponzi 1.0 and APEI as soon as FSM recommend them as fund of the month, you would have made quite a lot
My ponzi 1.0 top up last month is higher than my previous purchase, but yet it made 9.8% in 1.5 months

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 07:35 PM)
Well, there's another strategy.
Sell them off (cash out); wait for deep correction, buy them back again.

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The trouble is, what if there's no deep correction? Then no buy in and let it sit in CMF? Isn't that losing money too? Although you didn't quantify, doesn't mean it's not real
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post Mar 17 2017, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:39 PM)
Wow  blink.gif  shocking.gif
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I'm tracking with another indicator: IRR

Aladdin is a little low at 8.1% but given its performance is not so impressive lately with its NAV within the range of 1.5000

Ponzi 1.0 recovers extremely fast at 9.4% and thanks to recent bull since after CNY I think.

Titanic Fund is at 11.4% also not impressive as NAV is within trade range of 0.9000 level.
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post Mar 17 2017, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 07:42 PM)
The trouble is, what if there's no deep correction? Then no buy in and let it sit in CMF? Isn't that losing money too? Although you didn't quantify, doesn't mean it's not real
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It is called opportunity cost.
Are you willingly to take it?
Technically, you don't "lose money" because you have locked in your profit when you sell them. You don't hold them anymore.
Well, bull may lose stream. Who knows. God knows.
I remembered somebody mentioned for US market sell in April or May right?

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Ramjade
post Mar 17 2017, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 07:42 PM)
Well, in a bull run if you buy when it started picking up is better than wait for the bear to come before you buy. Because you would have lose out on the bull while waiting for correction; there's opportunity cost of waiting.
Eg would be: If you diligently buy ponzi 1.0 and APEI as soon as FSM recommend them as fund of the month, you would have made quite a lot
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How many % success rate for this strategy? hmm.gif

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post Mar 17 2017, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 07:35 PM)
Well, there's another strategy.
Sell them off (cash out); wait for deep correction, buy them back again.

In my portfolo, I got 3 funds with ROI > 30%
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How long ago was that?
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 07:46 PM)
How many % success rate for this strategy? hmm.gif
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I think it is kind of hindsight words. If my memory is serving me right, there was a time asian pacific funds were recommended but collided with unexpected potus result and shits started hitting the fan.

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post Mar 17 2017, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 17 2017, 07:55 PM)
How long ago was that?
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Aladdin fund: 1/20/2013
Ponzi 1.0: 7/22/2013
Titanic Fund: 7/2/2014
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 08:03 PM)
I think it is kind of hindsight words. If my memory is serving me right, there was a time asian pacific funds were recommended but collided with unexpected potus result and shits started hitting the fan.
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That's why must ask probability of success. If 70%, good enough for me. tongue.gif
It's still a strategy.
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 08:04 PM)
Aladdin fund: 1/20/2013
Ponzi 1.0: 7/22/2013
Titanic Fund: 7/2/2014
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Annualized return >10%.

That's my portfolio target for the year.
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 08:10 PM)
Annualized return >10%.

That's my portfolio target for the year.
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My IRR formula shows that only Titanic Fund is above 10%.
The other two hasn't reach 10% yet.

1/20/2013 Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A 39.6 8.4
7/22/2013 Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund 38.7 9.4
7/2/2014 CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 34.1 11.4

Maybe my IRR formula got problem.
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 08:19 PM)
My IRR formula shows that only Titanic Fund is above 10%.
The other two hasn't reach 10% yet.

1/20/2013 Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A 39.6 8.4
7/22/2013 Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund 38.7 9.4
7/2/2014 CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 34.1 11.4

Maybe my IRR formula got problem.
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In about 3 years can get annualized return around 11.4%...thats is high...

What is the ratio u use for that 3 funds?

Mind to share?

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post Mar 17 2017, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 17 2017, 08:22 PM)
In about 3 years can get annualized return around 11.4%...thats is high...

What is the ratio u use for that 3 funds?

Mind to share?
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=(POWER(Valuation/Capital,1/(YEARFRAC(FirstDate,TODAY())))-1)*100
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 17 2017, 08:19 PM)
My IRR formula shows that only Titanic Fund is above 10%.
The other two hasn't reach 10% yet.

1/20/2013 Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A 39.6 8.4
7/22/2013 Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund 38.7 9.4
7/2/2014 CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 34.1 11.4

Maybe my IRR formula got problem.
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I am not tracking IRR.

ROI/year greater than 10, i am happy enough. Some more it is on portfolio basis, not individual funds.

Lazy man here.
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 07:30 PM)
Question is why do you want to sell? Is there anymore upside in that market? Do you foresee it to come crashing down? ROI is just a number; a rather poor indication of performance if you ask me. That's why IRR is more superior for comparison

I have many funds with >20% ROI but that's because I've held them for >1 year. If I sell them, what should I buy? If the potential is there like ponzi 1.0, instead of selling, you should be looking to buy more
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I was thinking locking in the profits and placing them in a stable bond fund. I'm just playing scenarios in my head why keep profits? do they gain capital appreciation by sitting there?

i know in stocks, you buy it cheap and let it go up and up and collect the dividends but unit trust is different as we do not get rewarded for staying long.

yeah this has been plaguing in my mind for a long time.
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 17 2017, 08:26 PM)
I am not tracking IRR.

ROI/year greater than 10, i am happy enough. Some more it is on portfolio basis, not individual funds.

Lazy man here.
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My spreadsheet is very simple only.
You haven't see Uncle Looi and Uncle KimYee spreadsheet. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 17 2017, 08:27 PM)
I was thinking locking in the profits and placing them in a stable bond fund. I'm just playing scenarios in my head why keep profits? do they gain capital appreciation by sitting there?

i know in stocks, you buy it cheap and let it go up and up and collect the dividends but unit trust is different as we do not get rewarded for staying long.

yeah this has been plaguing in my mind for a long time.
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I am a little puzzled with the part that has been highlighted bro.

Not every stock pay's investors with dividends, right ? Some companies may opt to shelve off the idea of dividends and invest in their own business as a means of anticipating high future revenue (probably by buying new equipments to increase production, investing in a new plant etc).

The way at how i look at things is that one would stay in stocks/UT for a long period of time if they anticipate the share price/fund price to be on an upward trend. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.


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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 17 2017, 08:44 PM)
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The way at how i look at things is that one would stay in stocks/UT for a long period of time if they anticipate the share price/fund price to be on an upward trend. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
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hmm.gif what a timely article.....
Having a good time thus far? Beware of these behavioural pits [17 March 2017]

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...arch-2017--8128
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post Mar 17 2017, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 17 2017, 08:27 PM)
I was thinking locking in the profits and placing them in a stable bond fund. I'm just playing scenarios in my head why keep profits? do they gain capital appreciation by sitting there?

i know in stocks, you buy it cheap and let it go up and up and collect the dividends but unit trust is different as we do not get rewarded for staying long.

yeah this has been plaguing in my mind for a long time.
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Well you mentioned that your india fund was at 15%. Because you didn't cash out it became 9% or something like that. That's a real lost there.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 17 2017, 08:50 PM)
hmm.gif what a timely article.....
Having a good time thus far? Beware of these behavioural pits [17 March 2017]

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...arch-2017--8128
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Ah Behavioural Finance Traits!
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post Mar 17 2017, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 04:25 PM)
You know I don't like to brag, but I just made 4 figure in a day, with 1 fundĀ  blush.gif

FSM's fund pick of the month is really powerrr
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err.... sistah! You sure you looking at FSM website or JJPTR other website boh?

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