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post Oct 19 2024, 06:36 PM

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post Oct 19 2024, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 19 2024, 01:37 PM)
Anti competition committee is going to disallow it anyway. wink.gif
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there are 2 players could pull that off
nvidia or Qualcomm
Nvidia could buy ARM but it was blocked.

the rest seems not interested.

if Intel screw up again, stock price plumed, mass layoff, etc, it could its last.
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post Oct 19 2024, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Oct 19 2024, 07:39 PM)
there are 2 players could pull that off
nvidia or Qualcomm
Nvidia could buy ARM but it was blocked.

the rest seems not interested.

if Intel screw up again, stock price plumed, mass layoff, etc, it could its last.
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Intel's position is still ok for now with Core Ultra 200 series competitive against Zen 5.
AMD was in way worse position. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 19 2024, 07:42 PM)
Intel's position is still ok for now with Core Ultra 200 series competitive against Zen 5.
AMD was in way worse position. biggrin.gif
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im glad that nobody was interested to ruin, i mean, buy AMD
so i can have that cheap octacore APU x86 lappy lol
or that high end GPU that can rival nvidia highest offering.
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post Oct 22 2024, 03:18 PM

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post Oct 25 2024, 07:42 AM

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Seems like nothing too exciting from Core Ultra side. A good use case for them is to have decent media capability thanks to the IGP.

The platform price is high though. Zen 5 is getting small price cut and should land on similar price but there is low cost board option for 65W CPUs. sweat.gif

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post Oct 25 2024, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 25 2024, 07:42 AM)
Seems like nothing too exciting from Core Ultra side. A good use case for them is to have decent media capability thanks to the IGP.

The platform price is high though. Zen 5 is getting small price cut and should land on similar price but there is low cost board option for 65W CPUs. sweat.gif
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Unexciting is putting it mildly lmao, disastrous is a more fitting word to describe Arrow Lake right now, especially in gaming.

I predict AMD will definitely price the 9800X3D at a minimum of 500 USD now, as the BEST and ULTIMATE gaming CPU in the market, they have zero competition for the top spot now.

They have strategically stopped shipping new 7800X3Ds for the past few weeks now, so much so that the ones remaining have skyrocketed in price to 450+ USD, so people that are desperate for any AM5 X3D CPU will pay whatever they ask for it.

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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Oct 25 2024, 08:16 AM)
Unexciting is putting it mildly lmao, disastrous is a more fitting word to describe Arrow Lake right now, especially in gaming.

I predict AMD will definitely price the 9800X3D at a minimum of 500 USD now, as the BEST and ULTIMATE gaming CPU in the market, thay have zero competition for the top spot now.
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At least they dished out something I would consider okay-ish. Gone is the stupid 400W power consumption! Not to say the PCI-E lanes assignment is better than X870E, which is good for crazy NVMe users. wink.gif

Gaming folks should continue going X3D, but however 9800X3D will not have relatively much gain 7800X3D with the increment we discover in Zen 4 vs Zen 5. 500 USD is definitely too far-fetched, but 399 USD will be the it unless they add in some novel things.

QUOTE(solarmystic @ Oct 25 2024, 08:16 AM)
They have strategically stopped shipping new 7800X3Ds for the past few weeks now, so much so that the ones remaining have skyrocketed in price to 450+ USD, so people that are desperate for any AM5 X3D CPU will pay whatever they ask for it.
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Market will decide the fate. If X3D is too expensive then another model will show it's value, i.e. 9600X/9700X (or heck just get a 7500F and allocate more fund to the GPU). Remember, reviews are with RTX4090, but people on the street are not aware of it. The X3D magic will not be as obvious with mainstream GPUs that actually have way more sales.

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post Oct 26 2024, 11:53 PM

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https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600-xt-56...-under-200-usd/

Seems there's a new last cpu upgrade for am4 which i didn't noticed earlier.

I had just got a 5700x3d to replace a 5600x for am4. X570
I'm using a rx 7800xt nitro + graphics card

If I was willing to spend more on motherboard and dd5 ram, I would have gone for am5 instead.

If ur going for a new build go am5. If u r on am4 and you only want to upgrade cpu only and the perf is sufficient, maybe 5700x3d is OK.

Only going for major upgrade in next 5 - 10 years but only if I plan to upgrade graphics card as well. Rx 7800xt should last a while for 1440p gaming



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post Oct 27 2024, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Oct 19 2024, 08:56 PM)
im glad that nobody was interested to ruin, i mean, buy AMD
so i can have that cheap octacore APU x86 lappy lol
or that high end GPU that can rival nvidia highest offering.
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Eh whut... AMD has something to rival 4090?
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post Oct 30 2024, 12:20 AM

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Bought and installed a 5700X3d

just wanted to share my review on it. would be useful for newbies like myself.




say you setup a brand new pc and use default settings. say your cpu is amd 5700x3d (am4 platform), with RX 7800 XT graphics to pair with it.

when installing your spanky new cpu, and you added the thermal paste etc, then boot up. try run hwinfo and look at temps (make sure you have graphics card drivers installed and configured. and windows updated to latest).

then run cpu intensive stuff like gaming and video playback, then observe your cpu temps using hwinfo.

My own findings was temps at times going 70-83c on load. which is not good.

Solution?

1. go bios set fans. I set mine to 70% @ up to 45c, 80% @ 50 , 100% @ 55c. You can adjust it yourself, but this worked for me.

2. undervolt. For the 5700X3D, undervolting by -30 or -40 (max -50. fall back to -40 or -30 if you crash/unstable)


Undervolting as mentioned in the youtube you can get quite a few benefits

- less power consumption
- less heat (the difference for me was 20c less temps. Very worth it)


after doing this my temps

42.1c min, 66.5c max, avg 52.8c


But basically i managed to avoid temps of 70-80c + under loads. mission accomplished.



For the 7000 series e.g. 7800X3D they have further requirements to get X3D to work (i don't think 5000 series has to do this, so don't worry)



but basically if you have a 7800X3D and you don't do the settings like youtuber suggested, then your big X3d cache will not be working and you will be missing out on fps gains for gaming.



hope this helped smile.gif

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Hey guys any ideas when 9800X3D would be available in Malaysia?

Thinking for upgrading to 7900X3D
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post Nov 1 2024, 11:07 AM

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im still waiting for new release next year to upgrade this 5600x and 3080

RM10k sufficient for gaming rig?
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QUOTE(BaseMod @ Nov 1 2024, 12:04 PM)
Hey guys any ideas when 9800X3D would be available in Malaysia?

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probably next week, in-line with the global launch. expect the price to be around rm2k-2.2k at launch. i'd wait at least 3 months.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Nov 1 2024, 02:49 PM)
probably next week, in-line with the global launch. expect the price to be around rm2k-2.2k at launch. i'd wait at least 3 months.
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Wait 6 mths then AMD will start drop prices. Its an AMD thing to milk early bird waterfishes.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Nov 1 2024, 02:49 PM)
probably next week, in-line with the global launch. expect the price to be around rm2k-2.2k at launch. i'd wait at least 3 months.
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Isn't that decent pricing? 7900x3d cost that price now lol
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post Nov 3 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(BaseMod @ Nov 1 2024, 10:37 PM)
Isn't that decent pricing? 7900x3d cost that price now lol
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Same tier gen to gen price up is never decent... the flip side is AMD tends to quickly cut prices after launches.
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How's the 9000 series latency bios and windows update work? If say I continue using windows 10 then will I lose gaming performance?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Nov 4 2024, 08:16 PM)
How's the 9000 series latency bios and windows update work? If say I continue using windows 10 then will I lose gaming performance?
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You should only be using Win10 up to Oct 2025. Do switch to Win11 earlier so you can get used to it
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If really 2.2k price.. 9800x3d it's good time to buy

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