Commercial & industrial have surged whoppingly high, its just a matter of time it will cascade down to home use
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2022/12/...-surcharge-hike

I recalled seeing Msia wasn't part of the eligible APAC countries but Indonesia got plenty a lot of distros joining the program.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 28 2023, 12:06 AM

Of course not!
AMD Msia thinks Msian AMD fanboys are rich so why need to compete with Intel on pricing? You guys should be proud to overspend on hardware compared to poorfag Intel fanboys.

Often in USA, you can get other retailers to price match their wares to other competitors so its not like deals will exclusively be only for 1 merchant, usually you can also get the same deals from Best Buy or even other MC to match Amazon or NewEgg offers.

Since MSI Pro B660M-A can handle up to 12900K (without OCing), it can supposedly handle 13700KF as long as you dont plan to OC, but can run up to max PL2 TDP. And if Pro-A mobo can do it, then B660M Mortar & Tomahawk oso can support it.

Get ready for more price drops (but towards end of the year?)
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen...rop-to-299.html

Zen4 DDR5 sweet spot is 6000MHZ and anything higher is preferable.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-ze...-the-high-end/5
Zen4 runs ideally at DDR5 6000MHZ as that maxed out Gear 1 mode, past that and IMC goes into Gear 2 but similarly to Intel 12/13Gen, once the speed barrier goes high enuff and coupled with lower latencies, the memory perf will shoot past DDR5 'sweetspot'. In terms of IMC quality, AM5 is better as it can handle higher EXPO vs Intel nonK at DDR5 5200.

You seem to think water isn't wet?

Intel fanboy sez: Stability? On an AMD platform? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Feb 12 2023, 12:55 PM

AMD surely will seed the media with their king CPU as a starting launch to gain favourable reviews. Then only the lower range will get sent out later. This is normal practice so I dont think there is much to be read from it.
OTOH the actual reviews is far disappointing vs the 'leaks' results. Once again AMD leaker media overhyped their products.

What do you mean by that and how do you define that losing streak?

AMD historically done far less sales than Intel so I don't see how today is any different and what I would call a losing streak. However AM5 aint doing as well as AM4 was when both were at the same time frame. AMD made a bad call with expensive new platform, expensive DDR5, poor pricing, in an era of super high inflation & recession oncoming. They are getting cheaper but by the time these becomes affordable, less people will have the money to splurge on a new system.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 22 2023, 02:29 PM

These kinda investigative review is more towards GN or Der8auer type of thing. Lets see who gets to post first but I like Roman ones as he does it from an indepth engineering perspective (similar to Buildzoid).

Lets wait for Der8auer more indepth investigation. Even he says everything now is speculative and he has no comment to give without definitive proof (one reason why I trust his reviews).

A statement after the fact. If it were real why not reveal it beforehand, somemore that twitter said he was not NDA tied so in fact got nothing to lose if he had knew it. Internally AMD might or might not known it, but if Asus & others knew they would have taken some sort of legal or technical precautions as such a case would have been very damaging to their reputation on top of the RMA costs.

Clearly something did not happen or might just be an isolated matter where a bios or firmware update would resolve yet people will blow it to Intel's Meltdown/Spectre proportions. In a way its kinda AMD's Meltdown. Literally.

But honestly AMD is starting to turn into a chip designer & system integrator (ie ARM) and no longer a hardware maker. Their control over hardware is becoming shakier and bad things are popping up when their CPU are paired with mobo and unpredicted/untested scenarios occur.

Technically Ryzen is a engineering direction which CPU tech should evolve towards, but its sad that AMD lacks Intel's control of integration with everything else otherwise they would be way ahead of Intel today.

Comparatively in the same period, 7000series sold much less compared to 5000series. The less you sell, the less problems you get.

In a way, it is their own fault? EXPO, like XMP, is a form of OCing which is not guaranteed nor warrantied by the hardware makers, so anything that is out of JEDEC spec is a basically OC and technically it is a user choice to enable EXPO/XMP.

Tho its a very sleazy move if they really hide behind that legal technicality and not honour affected users or permanently fix the issue.

AMD, it seems to me, has turn into a chip design company and would appear to no longer have full control over their hardware & related 3rd party hardwares.

Intel, despite being slammed for their tight & restrictive controls on their gear and attitudes towards AIBs, would seem to avoid these issues thru tighter controls on their vendors, with fewer such technical cockups other than the highly variable choice of VRMs sufficient for full CPU support.

Shhh!! Can't bash Zen uarch as this never happen in 1000-3000-5000 series and they have spent too many years praising Zen while hitting Intel. For science sake I'd love to see if someone could replicate this phenomena with a 5800x3d and a Asus mobo.

Permanent damage on CPU & mobo? Note to self; never to buy 7000series + X570/B650/A620 mobos in the used market few years down the road.

Bruh, if the cookoff will happen all those reviewers would have jump on this a long time ago. I dunno.
Could the cookoff only related to Asus mobo and others no problem? I dunno.
Maybe Zen1,2,3 DOCP is using intel XMP so the SOC V setting is more conservative than EXPO way of driving more V into the CPU as the Asus one did.