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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Dec 8 2016, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 8 2016, 01:03 PM)
I have no problem if they want to charge 2% SC for small investments. But when it comes to bigger investments, that's where they scheme will appear rather not making sense while other places the fund can be purchased at 0% SC. Even for a gold member, he just gets .5% off the 2%, ie he still needs to pay 1.5% SC. Any promotion comes with 1% SC or 0.5% SC would just render the whole "reward" scheme useless.

I think they have to desire to make more money from the bigger investments because that's where they could get enough money to sustain the operation but I think this is not make sense from investor point of view. With competition around having different offerings, this scheme is seen as "punishing" the bigger investments.

I don't know for sure how eUT gets money to fund their operation. The fact that they offer 0% SC for bigger investment amount, that's something which make sense. Maybe they get it from the fund management company via the management fees. But it is a rewarding scheme for investing more ! Not the other way round.
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I do agree on your view that investors with larger sum would look for lower cost for its quantum, but at the same time, I think the need of HNWI is very different, they probably wouldn't mind paying a bit more for services that they need. and chances are they won't turn to DIY style investing as their time can be better spent making more money than the cost savings

Not to mention they would probably not allocate a lot into funds, they can buy bonds and shares directly and still be meaningfully diversified

So I thought what FSM MY is doing now is meeting the needs of their targeted audience - the younger generation with not that much to invest.

As to unit trust fund as a vehicle, this is one of the most popular vehicle for retail investors other than FD due to minimal monitoring required

So maybe the questions we should all ask ourselves is, is this the right investment vehicle? Should you consider other vehicles like direct shares and ETFs instead?
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post Dec 8 2016, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 8 2016, 11:39 AM)
Promoting UT is not thr right way. We should promote ETFs as it's cheap cheaper in the long tun and statically, it will beat UT most of the time.

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How to buy ETFs in Malaysia ?
Do we have a LYN thread on ETFs ?
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post Dec 8 2016, 01:44 PM

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Will FSM adds more funds in the near future?
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Dec 8 2016, 01:25 PM)
How to buy ETFs in Malaysia ?
Do we have a LYN thread on ETFs ?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3396549&hl=ETF
Here you go. The stuffs they discuss there is too advanced to me
Ramjade
post Dec 8 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Dec 8 2016, 01:25 PM)
How to buy ETFs in Malaysia ?
Do we have a LYN thread on ETFs ?
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There are 2 threads. See above.
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post Dec 8 2016, 02:13 PM

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wow this is the first I seen in two years people are questioning fsm malaysia's SC which is a good thing as more people come to realize Unit trust investment is better than FD and of course to allow more and more millennials to save and invest in their portfolio. hope fsm malaysia does consider revamping their reward system.
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post Dec 8 2016, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 02:13 PM)
wow this is the first I seen in two years people are questioning fsm malaysia's SC which is a good thing as more people come to realize Unit trust investment is better than FD and of course to allow more and more millennials to save and invest in their portfolio. hope fsm malaysia does consider revamping their reward system.
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yes, maybe offer 0% if lump sum more than xxxx amount.
offer something like eUT
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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Dec 8 2016, 02:25 PM)
yes, maybe offer 0% if lump sum more than xxxx amount.
offer something like eUT
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I would forgo adding in more investments in fsm.my for future if they do not cater to big investors and keep my portfolio the way it is.

yes this message is for the fsm if you are reading this. your sister site is doing alot for its investors who are just across the straits.


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post Dec 8 2016, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 02:44 PM)
I would forgo adding in more investments in fsm.my for future if they do not cater to big investors and keep my portfolio the way it is.

yes this message is for the fsm if you are reading this. your sister site is doing alot for its investors who are just across the straits.
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please don't copy exact.
platform fee is much more expensive than sales charge, if you consider gold/platinum status and long term holding.


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post Dec 8 2016, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 8 2016, 01:44 PM)
Will FSM adds more funds in the near future?
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Yes
Btw, which specific funds u r targeting?
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post Dec 8 2016, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 8 2016, 03:05 PM)
Yes
Btw, which specific funds u r targeting?
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more REITs options and definitely more fund choices instead of the baby sit funds that BNM is regulating. =)
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post Dec 8 2016, 03:37 PM

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Another trading disruption at Singapore's exchange frustrates investors
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ates-investors/

Luckily it didn't happen in Bursa
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post Dec 8 2016, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 8 2016, 01:44 PM)
Will FSM adds more funds in the near future?
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yes. from time to time depends situation biggrin.gif blink.gif
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post Dec 8 2016, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 03:22 PM)
more REITs options and definitely more fund choices instead of the baby sit funds that BNM is regulating. =)
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Not just more funds covering the same geographical area; perhaps add more diversity. Example: Brazil only fund, Russia or Eastern bloc (aka Former USSR countries) fund, Germany fund, and puhleze... no more another Malaysia or asia-pac ex japan fund! ranting.gif

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post Dec 8 2016, 04:18 PM

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eUT promotion really cheap compared to FSM

but the layout sucks.. how to utilise both?

bond fund @ FSM and promo funds @ eUT ?

how do you guys do it

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post Dec 8 2016, 04:36 PM

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Thanks to all that answered my query.


Decided to skip Manulife's India Equity Fund and went ahead with TA's Global Technology Fund.


Btw, just curious to know, which fund are you'll referring it as Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2 ?

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Dec 8 2016, 04:36 PM)
Thanks to all that answered my query.
Decided to skip Manulife's India Equity Fund and went ahead with TA's Global Technology Fund.
Btw, just curious to know, which fund are you'll referring it as Ponzi 1 and Ponzi 2 ?
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Ponzi 1.

affin hwang quantum ex Japan

Ponzi 2

cimb dynamic fund.

both ex Japan region equities

read page one
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 04:41 PM)
Ponzi 1.

affin hwang quantum ex Japan

Ponzi 2

cimb dynamic fund.

both ex Japan region equities

read page one
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post Dec 8 2016, 05:10 PM

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post Dec 8 2016, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 8 2016, 11:39 AM)
Promoting UT is not thr right way. We should promote ETFs as it's cheap cheaper in the long tun and statically, it will beat UT most of the time.
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We discussed this topic before. There are several reasons why US ETF tend to beat actively managed funds:

1. Fees are higher for actively managed funds
2. US funds include many pension funds, which tend to be more conservative.
(Peter Lynch mentioned this in his book.)
3. ETF's performance depends on investors' sentiment and confidence. See the attached diagram.

Now, comparing US and Malaysia:
Factor #1 - applicable to Malaysia too.
Factor #2 - applicable to Malaysia too, but you can certainly pick the more aggressive funds.
Factor #3 - not happening in Malaysia, yet.


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