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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.13, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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Deal Hunter
post Jun 29 2016, 01:53 AM

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If you had paid attention to the nitty gritty of the step-up FD calculations, you should know you will not get 4.5% exactly. So if you hope to add all your monthly interests - you will be off.

If your effective date is anywhere from 1-28, (1-29 if covering February in a leap year), the bank does not need to know what is the actual effective date of each customer or placement as the total effective rate is actually the same for each particular month of the promo. Thus say you place in October 2015, there is a real common effective rate for those placing between 1-29 of October 2015. For November 1-29, there is another different effective rate figure, and so on until the promo ends. Undestandably, the banks would not like to tell you that certain months are better or worse otherwise customers may want to choose their months of placement and affect the promo targets.

However, for those who placed on say, 31 October 2015, the interest payment in February is on 29 February 2016 as there is no 30 or 31 in February and the payment must be made once each month. November, April, June and September being paid on the 30th instead. This affects the total number of days for each month's interest payment, and particularly confusing on the change of rate. Hence, the advice is not to place on the 29-31 of any month when dealing with step-up or monthly interest payments. Not only you can be confused, but even the banks may be confused if the staff or programmers do not understand that the number of days and step-up boundaries are affected due the need to pay once each month.

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post Jun 29 2016, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 29 2016, 01:53 AM)
If you had paid attention to the nitty gritty of the step-up FD calculations, you should know you will not get 4.5% exactly. So if you hope to add all your monthly interests - you will be off.

If your effective date is anywhere from 1-28, (1-29 if covering February in a leap year), the bank does not need to know what is the actual effective date of each customer or placement as the total effective rate is actually the same for each particular month of the promo. Thus say you place in October 2015, there is a real common effective rate for those placing between 1-29 of October 2015. For November 1-29, there is another different effective rate figure, and so on until the promo ends. Undestandably, the banks would not like to tell you that certain months are better or worse otherwise customers may want to choose their months of placement and affect the promo targets.

However, for those who placed on say, 31 October 2015, the interest payment in February is on 29 February 2016 as there is no 30 or 31 in February and the payment must be made once each month. November, April, June and September being paid on the 30th instead. This affects the total number of days for each month's interest payment, and particularly confusing on the change of rate. Hence, the advice is not to place on the 29-31 of any month when dealing with step-up or monthly interest payments. Not only you can be confused, but even the banks may be confused if the staff or programmers do not understand that the number of days and step-up boundaries are affected due the need to pay once each month.
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Bank calculate by day not month

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post Jun 29 2016, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 28 2016, 09:41 PM)
U have unlimited supply of moniesĀ  notworthy.gif
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There is always limited funds. cry.gif

QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jun 28 2016, 11:45 PM)
Went to Ambank for usual musical chair routine. Was offered 4.15% for 12 mth to retain the fund but declined.

Totally forgotten about my previous Ambank 2 yrs promo which credit interest every 6 month. Only remember after I update my passbook biggrin.gif
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It happens to me. PBB step-up paid 6 mth interest, did not know it 2 mths later when checked online SA. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 29 2016, 12:37 AM)
Besides Malayan Banking, Standard Chartered is another bank that uses 366 days. Number of days in 2015 = 31-12-2015 - effective date in 2015, was multiplied with the interest rate and divided by 365. Number of days in 2016 = maturity date in 2016 - 31-12-2015, was multiplied with the interest rate and divided by 366. Both interests were rounded to the nearest sen and added to give the stated interest given on maturity.
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366 days ------AmBank, CIMB
365 days ------HL, BR (they are still using 365 days for 2016 monthly interest calculation)


QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 29 2016, 01:53 AM)
If you had paid attention to the nitty gritty of the step-up FD calculations, you should know you will not get 4.5% exactly. So if you hope to add all your monthly interests - you will be off.

If your effective date is anywhere from 1-28, (1-29 if covering February in a leap year), the bank does not need to know what is the actual effective date of each customer or placement as the total effective rate is actually the same for each particular month of the promo. Thus say you place in October 2015, there is a real common effective rate for those placing between 1-29 of October 2015. For November 1-29, there is another different effective rate figure, and so on until the promo ends. Undestandably, the banks would not like to tell you that certain months are better or worse otherwise customers may want to choose their months of placement and affect the promo targets.

However, for those who placed on say, 31 October 2015, the interest payment in February is on 29 February 2016 as there is no 30 or 31 in February and the payment must be made once each month. November, April, June and September being paid on the 30th instead. This affects the total number of days for each month's interest payment, and particularly confusing on the change of rate. Hence, the advice is not to place on the 29-31 of any month when dealing with step-up or monthly interest payments. Not only you can be confused, but even the banks may be confused if the staff or programmers do not understand that the number of days and step-up boundaries are affected due the need to pay once each month.
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Good point !

But for me the placement date is driven by maturity date of FD and fund availability. Hard to say avoid 29-31.

So long as the # of days received the interest then it is fine, for step-up FD's. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 29 2016, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jun 28 2016, 11:45 PM)
Went to Ambank for usual musical chair routine. Was offered 4.15% for 12 mth to retain the fund but declined.

Totally forgotten about my previous Ambank 2 yrs promo which credit interest every 6 month. Only remember after I update my passbook biggrin.gif
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Wat is their board rate for 12 mths?
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post Jun 29 2016, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 29 2016, 08:51 AM)
Wat is their board rate for 12 mths?
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3.40 for Am50 Plus
http://www.ambank.com.my/eng/rates-fees-charges
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 28 2016, 07:37 PM)
I dont want to waste time calculate the interest.

At the end of tenure, I just check whether the interest that I get is 4.5% or not.

Let say RM10000, i should get RM 10450
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This is exactly what I thought about for the effective interest rate of 12 months FD. I am still trying to clarify the effective interest rate matter with its customer service.
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post Jun 29 2016, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 29 2016, 08:13 AM)
There is always limited funds.  cry.gif
It happens to me. PBB step-up paid 6 mth interest, did not know it 2 mths later when checked online SA.  biggrin.gif
Add:
366 days ------AmBank, CIMB
365 days ------HL, BR  (they are still using 365 days for 2016 monthly interest calculation)
Good point !

But for me the placement date is driven by maturity date of FD and fund availability. Hard to say avoid 29-31.

So long as the # of days received the interest then it is fine, for step-up FD's.  biggrin.gif
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FD different from last time as calculation on days basis and not month like savings with out the transactions of withdrawals and deposits.
Creditting of interest no longer at end of month or start of month but once a month as close as possible to effective date.
Differences due to miscalculations/expectations affect cash flow plans for usage or replow into other FD at the highest possible efficiency.
It is can do if got plenty of extra cash income/backup but will not get so much more.
For newbIes, ignorance is bliss since most of us will simply make some wrong assumptions, cannot be bothered to do the calculations, or do not know how to do it correctly. It took me some time from checking on the old step-up and monthly payment promos to figure out what was happening to enable me to work around and get best deals. Previouslly, I made the mistakes, but after reviewing and finding out the effects, I plan the musical chairs better in my favour instead of on luck.

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 29 2016, 01:30 PM)
FD different from last time as calculation on days basis and not month like savings with out the transactions of withdrawals and deposits.
Creditting of interest no longer at end of month or start of month but once a month as close as possible to effective date.
Differences due to miscalculations/expectations affect cash flow plans for usage or replow into other FD at the highest possible efficiency.
It is can do if got plenty of extra cash income/backup but will not get so much more.
For newbIes, ignorance is bliss since most of us will simply make some wrong assumptions, cannot be bothered to do the calculations, or do not know how to do it correctly. It took me some time from checking on the old step-up and monthly payment promos to figure out what was happening to enable me to work around and get best deals. Previouslly, I made the mistakes, but after reviewing and finding out the effects, I plan the musical chairs better in my favour instead of on luck.
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So when is the best time to place step up FD to maximise interest from the banks.
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post Jun 29 2016, 03:50 PM

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can't believe hlb still practise mandatory uplifting of fd through branch you place.
such an old-fashion way. sigh!
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post Jun 29 2016, 04:09 PM

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Ok got a question, what sort of rules or terms or laws are there about withdrawing our FDs prematurely, more specifically about whether are we entitled to the interest for that particular new period.

Scenario a, withdraw on the tenth day prematurely on a 1-mth tenure.
Scenario b, withdraw on the sixteenth day prematurely on a 1-math tenure.

Do we get Ny? If we do, st what sort of minimum interest percentage are the banks obliged to give, or is it a big fat zero egg?
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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Jun 29 2016, 04:09 PM)
Ok got a question, what sort of rules or terms or laws are there about withdrawing our FDs prematurely, more specifically about whether are we entitled to the interest for that particular new period.

Scenario a, withdraw on the tenth day prematurely on a 1-mth tenure.
Scenario b, withdraw on the sixteenth day prematurely on a 1-math tenure.

Do we get Ny? If we do, st what sort of minimum interest percentage are the banks obliged to give, or is it a big fat zero egg?
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Usually less than 3 months big fat zero. If already more than 3 months, usually half the promised interest rate.

Only exception is maybank eGIA-i where regardless when you withdraw. You will still get the full 4% which is calculated daily.

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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Jun 29 2016, 04:09 PM)
Ok got a question, what sort of rules or terms or laws are there about withdrawing our FDs prematurely, more specifically about whether are we entitled to the interest for that particular new period.

Scenario a, withdraw on the tenth day prematurely on a 1-mth tenure.
Scenario b, withdraw on the sixteenth day prematurely on a 1-math tenure.

Do we get Ny? If we do, st what sort of minimum interest percentage are the banks obliged to give, or is it a big fat zero egg?
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Generally (can be varied), from what I knew,
Deposit less than 3 months, premature withdrawal, you get zero interest, even just a day to mature.
Deposit more than 3 month, you get half of the board rate, calculated on daily basis on number of days completed.

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post Jun 29 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 29 2016, 01:30 PM)
FD different from last time as calculation on days basis and not month like savings with out the transactions of withdrawals and deposits.
Creditting of interest no longer at end of month or start of month but once a month as close as possible to effective date.
Differences due to miscalculations/expectations affect cash flow plans for usage or replow into other FD at the highest possible efficiency.
It is can do if got plenty of extra cash income/backup but will not get so much more.
For newbIes, ignorance is bliss since most of us will simply make some wrong assumptions, cannot be bothered to do the calculations, or do not know how to do it correctly. It took me some time from checking on the old step-up and monthly payment promos to figure out what was happening to enable me to work around and get best deals. Previouslly, I made the mistakes, but after reviewing and finding out the effects, I plan the musical chairs better in my favour instead of on luck.
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rclxub.gif boss, tough la.

please put in lay man language. rclxub.gif so uncle goat is wrong. cannot just put in fd. but have to see the best date to put in step-up fd? hmm.gif while losing the interest for days? bangwall.gif

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post Jun 29 2016, 04:57 PM

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went to RHB and enquire about the FDA 4.25%....seems like the quota has reached *sigh*
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 29 2016, 01:52 PM)
So when is the best time to place step up FD to maximise interest from the banks.
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i cannot understand what he is saying. best date for step-up fd, let cash sit down while waiting and losing interest?
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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Jun 29 2016, 05:00 PM)
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i cannot understand what he is saying. best date for step-up fd, let cash sit down while waiting and losing interest?
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He said there's a specific date each month that if you place step up FD, you will get more. Basically if more people put money on that date, bank will rugi. However that date/time of the month is not specify. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 29 2016, 05:06 PM)
He said there's a specific date each month that if you place step up FD, you will get more. Basically if more people put money on that date, bank will rugi. However that date/time of the month is not specify. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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so keep $$ and wait for the special date? then not geting interest for days? brows.gif

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post Jun 29 2016, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(charmhy18 @ Jun 29 2016, 04:57 PM)
went to RHB and enquire about the FDA 4.25%....seems like the quota has reached *sigh*
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U end up place with which Bank?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 29 2016, 05:37 PM)
U end up place with which Bank?
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didnt place lur..that time when i reached it was at 4pm ady..haha
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post Jun 29 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(charmhy18 @ Jun 29 2016, 05:49 PM)
didnt place lur..that time when i reached it was at 4pm ady..haha
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Have u shortlist which bank?

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