Please do more findings on the car. Paul Tan has already mentioned and compare for you. Even pictures are there.

Olive, where is the car pictures? Some more already do coating, post la some pics and make this thread shine shine abit..



Miss Hanz and SK_C, I still couldn't get what you mean.. Release paddle after 3k, engine response too slow to return normal?
what response are you looking for?
Release pedal then rpm should drop?
Or you mean when press on accelerator, delay abit then only engine response?
Mind to give more description?

FYR, I upgraded from P.Persona, the lag is more obvious. Now this M3 is alot more fun, I would say my pedal response is quick and accurate. Simply follow my commands and wills..

This post has been edited by toonny: Jun 20 2016, 12:02 PM

Thanks let me google for their new address

lol....dont keep asking for picture only la, later she run away

i think what they mean is the gear changing back to normal, it tends to upshift and keep for few second before resume back to fuel saving mode

This post has been edited by amduser: Jun 20 2016, 01:06 PM

Maybe is relative comparison, myself upgraded from Vios (I think Hanz too), so the lagging is very obvious.
You can try in safe condition, speed all the way to >3500rpm, release the accelerator and check how long your engine would continue to roar until it drop to back around +/-1k rpm.

This is before coating.

This post has been edited by olivechong: Jun 20 2016, 01:26 PM


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Considering the Honda case below, maybe we should mark the oil filter or ask for the remaining engine oil next time we do service?

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Nice coating.
I haven't do mine

Adui.. I just ask the pic of car leh.. Didn't ask for owner's picture..

hmm.. You give commands "please accelerate", then out of sudden you want it "please save fuel"..
The car respond: "Give la a few seconds to burn the extra fuel you wanted just now."

By this way, I think I get what you mean.

You rev > 3500 rpm, then when release you are expecting the rpm and engine roar drop to +- 1k rpm..
I not sure how is vios acting, but persona does the same. Release pedal, RPM drop kaw kaw.. Out of sudden, back to free idling state again. Is this what you mean?

For my case with persona, when accelerate again, I would say the response is not instantaneous, i feel lembik and the rpm rise to 3.5k again, but then that time your engine speed already reduce, engine rev high but speed not catching up. This means transmission not efficiency, power loss during the acceleration.

I don't like this, I was hoping and prefer the behavior of mazda 3. In this case, your engine remain the torque and reduce slowly and what you get is immediate pickup if you accelerate again. But hardly rev till 3.5k rpm, because it likes to up shift asap and rarely stays at high rpm.
*Edit:
Scenario 2: You speed at highway and rev till 3.5k rpm with 6th gear, release pedal and hoping it to back to +- 1k rpm immediately? Never try this, LOL..
But still apply to Persona, rpm drop to +- 1k when release pedal. The feel is like the car just rolling instead of keeping the rev so high.

So question to you, in what scenario your rev till 3.5k, and release pedal? I dont think when cruising or city drive you would able to do that unless you using manual mode and stays at the same gear. Imagine you are doing spirited driving, you rev high, and attacking corner. You release the pedal and rpm drops quickly? Nope, I wouldn't want this, not fun and spoils the atmosphere.

Not sure should I relate this to our Skyactiv transmission or not, once full lock up on the gear, it won't give the expectation like yours, rpm drops quickly as like it is in free idling state.

This post has been edited by toonny: Jun 20 2016, 01:59 PM

I think the best way is to go to the reputable SCs…

Haha, the pic is without coating
Where u plan to go for coating?

Plan to go Ceramic Pro.
Mind to share a pic before and after coating?

Wanna PM you, but seems like cannot attach picture in PM?
coz i in office, lazy to edit off my number plate eh.

You use paddle shift means you engage manual mode. It is called manual mode for a reason, meaning, the computer won't do the job for you until you input what you want. It applies to recent models of mercedes and bmw also which i test drove before.

It will last about 5 seconds. If you reached the speed or complete your maneuver, upshift manually to lower down the engine RPM. There's nothing wrong with the car at all. If you think it is not fast enough, do it with the gear shifter, that one very direct the moment you push out of manual mode.

Why do you want remaining engine oil back? They all pour exact amount (5L) into the oil sump after draining. They already give you free engine oil, some more want to ask more??

If you want your old engine oil back, please tell them so, but very unlikely they will allow you as it is messy and well go against their SOP and 5S procedure. Service centres (even neighbourhood workshops) will use a giant oil catch tank when they drain out the oil so in the end of the day, they can drain out that tank to recycle vendor.

Unless you're into used oil analysis (which is extremely rare for normal motorist here and i can quite confidently say in this region other than large commercial fleet companies), there's no point for you keeping the old oil. If you die die want to have the old oil, the service technician can simply just pump the oil from the oil catch tank and give it to you, which already mix with maybe 20 cars/trucks worth of used oil. No way to ascertain that used oil is the one drained from your car.

*correction : for outside workshop, most likely you can witness them do the service on your car. So less risk of them skipping your car's servicing unless you're away.

And how are you going to dispose it properly? The SC/workshops at least will liase with those oil recycling vendor to collect.

If really cannot trust the service centre, then either you request you be present to witness when they service your car (which they most likely won't allow) or do service DIY style on your own (not outside workshop as the same situation stated above applies).

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jun 20 2016, 02:14 PM

I think he want the oil balance after the service. So far I only been to service twice (1k and 10k). Sg. Besi branch does not give back the remaining new EO. But 10K service at Equine park, they returned the remaining oil in the 1 litre pack.

I think what he mean is, the new bottle of engine oil, and what ever is left after changing, the unused oil left in the bottle, not old engine oil~ If perodua Glenmarie, they give back the remaining engine oil with it's original bottle without needed to request. So somehow there's some proof that they did change your engine oil, and that almost empty bottle is the proof.

I experienced the same for my Vios. Toyota actually return the unused EO and those item which has been changed such as filter, gasket and etc.

Not yet experience Mazda service before as my car haven't due for 1k service.

So any service center you all recommend? Mind to share the location? thanks

i also come from vios, some more is the 1st gen facelift

i think i know what you mean already, in vios when you floor pedal it downshift and accelerate, once you release it will shift back to the appropriate gear

different engine different behavior la, vios is for fuel savings and it is not as "smart" as skyactiv, if you do the same thing to skyactiv engine, it will downshift, from that point onward you are telling the engine "i want more power now" so it downshift and give you the zoom zoom feel

once you release pedal it wont immediately upshift to drop the rpm for better fuel efficiency, it will stay at the gear so that when you need to accelerate again it will give immediate response, compare to vios if it upshift to drop the rpm then the next time you want to accelerate you have to wait for the transmission to downshift therefore it is not efficient

this is a normal behavior, you can either manually shift to higher gear/release the accelerator pedal/step lightly on accelerator pedal, then the rpm will resume normal

another thing is that when the car detected it is in uphill, it will limit it's maximum gear to 5th gear and sometime it will downshift until the rpm reached >3k for better acceleration uphill, when going downhill and you release accelerator or step on the brake, it will downshift earlier to use engine braking for better braking, it will use engine braking as well when you drive at high speed and perform hard braking

i assume your car is still new? new car out of factory tend to have gear hunting where it is too sensitive to your throttle response, after few days of driving the car will adjust to your behavior and you will feel the car tend to have more stable gear shifting and know when you want it to downshift

you can try, i dont even know where the oil filter located

post in skyactiv m3 group in fb then no need censor plate lor

If I remember not wrong, Proton rpm drop slow.

And faster rpm dropping, and accelerate faster can say is faster response to your car right? Brings more power in the moment.

the engine wont drop it's rpm faster than you upshift, if it does it means that there is a lot of friction and causes the engine rpm to drop that fast

no matter how fast a car shift, it cant be faster than a 1:1 response @ peak torque rpm range

the idea here is, shifting = waste of time, less efficient

this should have nothing to do with transmission. Just the pedal, and response in engine combustion...