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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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post Mar 11 2016, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(yeo2007 @ Mar 11 2016, 10:19 AM)
Does that means it's also updating the firmware?  Should update everytime there things to update?
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yes.

i would.

better to update everytime an update is available.

when the updates stop, u know they see no need for new firmware support... or see the tv as "obsolete"! biggrin.gif
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post Mar 11 2016, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
yes.

i would.

better to update everytime an update is available.

when the updates stop, u know they see no need for new firmware support... or see the tv as "obsolete"! biggrin.gif
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laugh.gif that's the perils of Android TV
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post Mar 11 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(otromen77 @ Mar 11 2016, 09:29 AM)
In terms of upscalling is the 4k panel much better than this LC6090X?
On the smart TV function is any better than Samsung or lg webOS? Is the PQ as good as Sharp Kuro?
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Got no intention to get new TV but last week my 10 years ol 32 Toshiba lcd tv died and make me thinking to upgrade. Financially I'm ok Coz I'm only taking short term installment only. I'm not investing f sup expensive TV just nice t o compliment my br.mkv and 1080p content
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You cannot compare upscaling capabilities of a HD tv against a 4K tv.
Kuro is from Pioneer not Sharp. And no, none of the TVs we are discussing are as good as the Kuros. Only Oleds are better than Kuros.

Samsung's Tizen & LG's Webos are the best at the moment. Android TV has good potential but will have to wait & see how it develops. But all of them have pros & cons. None are perfect.

Noted on the financial part. Try to keep the instalmen period short and don't stretch yourself too far.



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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 11 2016, 11:24 AM)
You cannot compare upscaling capabilities of a HD tv against a 4K tv.
Kuro is from Pioneer not Sharp. And no, none of the TVs we are discussing are as good as the Kuros. Only Oleds are better than Kuros.

Samsung's Tizen & LG's Webos are the best at the moment. Android TV has good potential but will have to wait & see how it develops. But all of them have pros & cons. None are perfect.

Noted on the financial part. Try to keep the instalmen period short and don't stretch yourself too far.
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OOps.. sorry on the Kuro's ..
might going to checkup the LC50UE630X and LC58UE630X
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QUOTE(yeo2007 @ Mar 11 2016, 10:41 AM)
laugh.gif  that's the perils of All TVs.
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post Mar 11 2016, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(otromen77 @ Mar 11 2016, 11:53 AM)
OOps.. sorry on the Kuro's .. 
might going to checkup the LC50UE630X and LC58UE630X
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ya, check them out. ue630x... 50, 58 or 65" are the same in terms of specs - they share the same manual.

below is my previous writeup, edited and reposted here:



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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.


not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
.. usb playback native player is not too user friendly, sensitive, cannot detect files often. but can be overcome for the most part by playing back with kodi instead of the native player.


overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 11 2016, 01:00 PM)
ya, check them out. ue630x... 50, 58 or 65" are the same in terms of specs - they share the same manual.

below is my previous writeup, edited and reposted here:
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It mean that u can install kodi on it?

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post Mar 11 2016, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(otromen77 @ Mar 11 2016, 01:25 PM)
It mean that u can install kodi on it?
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yes.

because there is an android inside the tv, and it is a good one, u can do 2 things:

.. install android apps from tv's google play - netflix, kodi, es file explorer... >100 of them but not all useful. some are paid apps, incl games.

.. allow "unknown" apps, install own apps (download from pc, copy from others...). these apps or apks work in any android. i already have most android apps in my other android box, so i just put IFLIX and a few small ones in the tv for fast easy access - mainly int'l tv stations channels.

if u r ready to venture into androids, there is an exciting world waiting for you.

the android in the tv works the same way as in an android box, may work better for certain apps due to "sharp certification", e.g. NETFLIX. but... when u buy a box, seller pre-install many apps for u whereas in the tv, u need to DIY.

can read this android box thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3126605/+1460

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Mar 11 2016, 01:48 PM
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post Mar 12 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 7 2016, 03:14 PM)
yes, try it.

it is still possible an hdd cannot be read, i have one like that.

likely the formatting, sensitive usb drive. biggrin.gif

but overall, can use.
i am now testing the tv kodi samba functions - see if it can stream wifi 4K material from my pc.
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Tested all the pendrive and external HDD i have with both the usb 2 and usb 3 input. Two Kingston pendrive is readable with both usb but another one which is older (i guess 3 years plus) is not. Only two of the 3 HDD which is newer (Western Digital, 500GB and 1TB) can read. Whether i try with USB 2 or 3 input, when i plugged back to PC, Windows reported problem with drive and need to scan (pic below) BUT ONLY with Kingstone pendrive. However every scan took like 5 sec and then "Windows sucessfully scanned the drive. No errors were found". So i am really not sure whether there is actually a problem with it. i think pc only reported prob when the tv writes to it (created the two android folder). The weird thing is it only creates in pendrive and not HDD hmm.gif

I installed Kodi as you suggested although i think this a hardware problem and it's not the native player that cause the external devices to behave this way. Haven't explore it but first reaction is like the interface, glad there's resume play function compared to tv native player although it's takes like 30 sec or more to resume. It also can play a MPG file that the native player can't.

So my conclusion is ( i could be wrong) the tv should be able to read all HDD produced recently. But i only tested with Kingston and WD, other brand might produce different result laugh.gif haha

BTW the above 2 HDD only worked after the software update...

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post Mar 12 2016, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(susu_capbadak @ Mar 12 2016, 12:43 PM)
So my conclusion is ( i could be wrong) the tv should be able to read all HDD produced recently.  But i only tested with Kingston and WD, other brand might produce different result  laugh.gif haha
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yep, i understand what u experienced, not unlike my own. biggrin.gif

if no choice, u will have to use it that way.

i have two other boxes connected to tv that can playback, so i'm ok.

conclusion - yes, there is work for sharp to do about the usb playback and native player.

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post Mar 13 2016, 07:23 PM

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something i just discovered, hope it will help those who have ue630x and using android boxes 4k capable for playback.

for some hd videos (i have yet to determine the actual specs of these), you notice some "jerks" at certain scenes when playing back with certain boxes.

i am not sure of the reason but i think the 4k tv engine is sensitive to the input of some devices.

i have noticed some 1080p/bdmv videos gettng that if u set the box to "auto" or 1080p 60hz - the highest attainable in non-4k devices.

for this tv, u need to set the box, if available, to 2160p 24hz - that will give u the smoothest video display.

i watched a full length bdmv movie today this way, did not notice any "jerk" anymore. wink.gif



if u have never noticed anything of that sort, ignore this post! tongue.gif


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post Mar 13 2016, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 21 2016, 04:12 PM)
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after 8 weeks using this sharp lc50ue630x uhd 4k tv, let me summarize my experience with it:

.. good video quality; 1080p, bdmv, bluray, 4k videos - excellent.
.. good upscaling for 720p, 1080i videos
.. vibrant colors.
.. the android within is good - capable of doing any 2/16gb lollipop 5.1 can do.
.. the android within can take a good no. of apps, performance is no lower than any android box.
.. works very well with netflix hd/uhd4k even on wifi.
.. works well with iflix (iflix is all sd but when upscaled, very acceptable).
.. hypptv 1080i channels like bbc earth, travel & living, natgeopeople come out sharp and bright.
.. usb playback can handle all common formats incl mkv, m2ts.
.. toslink digital output is dts/dd capable.
.. a surprisingly cool tv, does not even get warm.
not so good:

.. somehow, i find the dark scenes a little too dark, the bright scenes a bit too bright. don't know if this is a characteristic of all 4k tv's..?
.. all hmdi's video setting is restricted to a choice of std, movie, pc, dynamic or dynamic fixed. u can change the variables in each set but that will apply to all hdmi's. this is not as good as previous models where u can change the variables in each setting for every hdmi input and save as user1, user2, etc.
.. all inputs and outputs incl hdmi, usb, optical, lan are at the back of tv, not side - access difficult for wall mounted cases.
overall, i am very happy with the tv. wink.gif
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Hi guys,
been reading reviews/blogs to understand the 24fps judder issue.

Have it got anything to do with the refreshing rate of the TV. say 120hz (multiple of 24) will have no issue playing 24fps movies, but 60hz will have issue and will need the smoothing feature to smoothen it out? (am I just talking nonsense here? apologies if i just did)

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/movies/judder/24p

in this list of TVs reviewed by the website, it happens that those judder free tvs have 120hz refreshing rate.

sifus here been mentioning/recommending samsung tvs too but i thought those mostly have the judder issue?

need guidance from sifu sekalian.

thanks.
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QUOTE(HL2712 @ Mar 13 2016, 08:18 PM)
Hi guys,
been reading reviews/blogs to understand the 24fps judder issue.

Have it got anything to do with the refreshing rate of the TV. say 120hz (multiple of 24) will have no issue playing 24fps movies, but 60hz will have issue and will need the smoothing feature to smoothen it out? (am I just talking nonsense here? apologies if i just did)

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/movies/judder/24p

in this list of TVs reviewed by the website, it happens that those judder free tvs have 120hz refreshing rate.

sifus here been mentioning/recommending samsung tvs too but i thought those mostly have the judder issue?

need guidance from sifu sekalian.

thanks.
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rather complex issue, it seems...

there are 3 things to consider: 1. the video, 2. the device (player) and 3. tv.

given a certain video, would it not also depend on the setting of the device as output to the tv?

for this ue630x tv (the subject of this thread), i have see judder only in two scenarios so far:

.. 1080p 24hz video->player set to 1080p 50hz->uhd tv
this will be solved when player set to 2160p 24/30hz or 1080p 60Hz.

.. 2160p 60hz video->player set to 2160p 24/30hz (60hz not available on my player)->uhd tv.
2160p 30hz video plays fine; 2160p 60hz video is rare, i believe... so it is not a real problem for now.

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A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 16 2016, 12:06 AM)
A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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One of the reasons why I'm giving the 4K industry a couple more years to gain traction before jumping in.. We'll see in, say 5 years...Tech can only get better.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 16 2016, 12:58 AM)
One of the reasons why I'm giving the 4K industry a couple more years to gain traction before jumping in.. We'll see in, say 5 years...Tech can only get better..  smile.gif
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actually, that also depends on when yr TV kaput! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Mar 16 2016, 12:06 AM)
A revisit to Harvey Norman today looking at various full HD and 4k tvs make me realise once you get used to 4k you will find 1080p look like SD. Looking at 65" Sony W850 again suddenly make me realise how big the pixels are. Glad I got the 4k instead of 1080p TV.
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Yup, what has been seen cannot be unseen.
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But I think 4k tv not entirely float my boat. I went to Pavillon Harvey last Fri to catch a glimpse of 4k tv. I saw Samsung SUHD, but the demo vid showed the veges looked so greenish like florescent lit veges, and also the green apples. The red color is the worst, the parrot after enhancement just looked like florescent bird.

It is digital color I would say, very high contrast and bright, but very artificial and not natural. The only good demo is night sky and night scene with good contrast, or documentary type of videos like travelling and building sites, but not for movies to show true human complexion.

I stayed there for some time even to look at new 8k sharp tv, which was slightly better. I think the hardest part for super 4k is to get the human skin tone color right. I saw patches of skin tone here and there. I also felt long term viewing induce eye fatigue. This is just my opinion, I am minority I guess.

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QUOTE(lateboomer @ Mar 16 2016, 02:05 PM)
But I think 4k tv not entirely float my boat. I went to Pavillon Harvey last Fri to catch a glimpse of 4k tv. I saw Samsung SUHD, but the demo vid showed the veges looked so greenish like florescent lit veges, and also the green apples. The red color is the worst, the parrot after enhancement just looked like florescent bird.

It is digital color I would say, very high contrast and bright, but very artificial and not natural. The only good demo is night sky and night scene with good contrast, or documentary type of videos like travelling and building sites, but for movies.

I stayed there for some time even to look at new 8k sharp tv, which was slightly better. I think the hardest part for super 4k is to get the human skin tone color right. I saw patches of skin tone here and there. I also felt long term viewing induce eye fatigue. This is just my opinion, I am minority I guess.
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TVs in store are always set to torch mode (dynamic mode). You need to change it to Movie mode for you to see how the PQ is without the backlight turned to 100%. The colour looks different because you are now seeing colours which old TVs cannot reproduce but you feel they are fake coz the brightness is turned up. Get hold of the remote and change the picture mode. Always remember that TVs need to be calibrated to suit your eyes. Some like Dynamic mode and some like Natural and so on. Everyone's eye and perception of what looks good to them is different

The SUHD tv with HDR makes the pix look real like looking through a window. It is so close to reality that 3D doesn't make sense anymore and manufacturers are ditching it. But this is a still an LCD tv, so people who have had plasma TVs can see their flaws especially on motion handling.


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You raise a good valid point. But I don't think Harvey sale person is friendly enough to let me change the settings. So the only gauge is to go to expert house to have a look. For motion handling, as far as I know, this is plasma tv strong point. Are you saying SUHD tv handles motion very smooth for all videos and totally no motion blur?

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