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 Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X

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ericlai
post Mar 8 2016, 03:37 PM

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@Dage Maybe u can try to read the reviews from Rtings

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x830c

Seems ok for video games but not so for movies
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post Mar 8 2016, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:34 PM)
Last week, harvey norman is having deals of the week for sony tv 50W800C for RM2,979, full hd android tv. I nearly bought that tv. Once i saw sharp's 630X, i immediately change my mind =D

@DannyOP The tv's screen is not matte instead reflective, so with bright sunlight, the brightness will not good. So i always close the curtain while watching tv. Maybe you try to off OPC function.
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Good choice, so far all the owners of 630X have no regrets in terms of picture quality vs price.

It's not easy to get 4k, good black levels, Andriod TV and decently priced TV in one set.
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@AVFAN Thanks for the suggestion, shall try it tonight!

@DannyOP, Totally agree! i tried to compare Xiaomi mi TV 2 55inch as well. Directd selling RM3,999 with sound bar, but no warranty.
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:41 PM)
@AVFAN Thanks for the suggestion, shall try it tonight!

@DannyOP, Totally agree! i tried to compare Xiaomi mi TV 2 55inch as well. Directd selling RM3,999 with sound bar, but no warranty.
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i was an early user of sharp 1080p lcd. that 42" cost me rm5k 8 yrs ago.

now, rm3.5k for sharp 50ue630x.

depr rm, bigger tv, 4k, android...

apa lagi mau?! laugh.gif


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post Mar 8 2016, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Full length movies of that size are geared towards smaller screens like laptops and cell phones... IMO, i don't consider them "full HD" and playing such on the big screen TV, a 4k TV is considered (in my books) an abomination.. tongue.gif . Nothing wrong with the TV's upscaler per say.. Just that movie files of that size have very low video bitrates; there's only so much extra processing and filling in, the upscaling engine can do. Bet you, there are 1280 x 720p files that look much better.
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post Mar 8 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(andrewlimkn @ Mar 8 2016, 03:18 PM)
What do you think of the choice between the Samsung 60" J6200 and Sony 65" W850C?

Perhaps not really comparable but I have shortlisted down to these as I dont really need 4k. The Sony is much more expensive than the Samsung (average now is RM6.1k vs RM4.5k) for the mere increase of size. I think the Samsung picture quality is fine, just that the bezel is thicker and not so thin.
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Between those 2 the Sony of course, but whether the price difference is worth it is another matter altogether.
Samsung no longer had high end 1080p for 2015 models. The J6200 is their top HD model but it is more of a mid-range TV.

The W850C is Sony's top HD model (I haven't seen a W9XXC although there is supposed to be one - so I am assuming here) and Sony had much more HD models in 2015.

Personally I will not buy a HD TV now unless the price is really good. On the other hand some may also think to get the best HD tv they can afford coz everyone is no longer selling these TVs. If you see Sony's 2016 line-up there are only 2 HD models and they are only available up to 48 inches. So the W850C is the best HD TV currently available (excluding Oled).

While the W850C is very good for a HD tv, it does not compare to even a mid-end 4K TV. 4K tvs are just awesome and for 6k+ you should be able to find a reasonably good one like the Sharp UE630X or Panasonic CX600.

This post has been edited by jdgobio: Mar 8 2016, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
Thanks guys! i always use the tv as a monitor in the living room, so i use PC mode. Hence, some of the settings like 'sharpness' is not available.

As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D

Im using eco 1 now, i still find it bright at times. Eco 2 is too dim.

Besides, i also find 'red' color is more punchy than the other color with 630X.
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Since you have a 4K tv now, you need to get bigger files which have higher resolution. 1.4GB is probably not even 720p. More like DVD resolution 720 x 576.

4K - 8.3 mil pixels
HD - 2.1 mil pixesl
720p - 922k pixels
DVD - 346k pixels

DVD resolution to 4K is 24 times more pixels. The TV cannot do wonders to upscale 24 times and compensate for details which are non-existent. You need at least 720p for it to look ok. 1080p should look great.


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post Mar 8 2016, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 8 2016, 03:27 PM)
As for movies, i'm using Kodi from my pc to my pioneer AVR. Tested full hd Avatar yesterday, 20GB file. Picture quality is awesome. However, if u play those full hd video file around 1.4GB size, it will not look as sharp as my previous Sony full hd tv. Maybe the Sharp's 4K up scale engine is not working in PC mode? =D
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ah, i missed this bit...

it is doing injustice to the tv to play these small files. tongue.gif

high time u start to collect min 10gb files.

at the top, get 40-50gb bdmv files - these come out best on yr tv.
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post Mar 8 2016, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 8 2016, 09:50 AM)
Between those choices 60JS7200 has the best picture quality due to wide colour gamut and it is also HDR capable.

JS denotes SUHD model i.e. Samsung's moniker for Quantum dot (wide colour gamut /WCG) & HDR capable TVs.
JU is the normal UHD tv without wide colour and HDR.

One thing for sure is WCG & HDR makes a huge difference in picture quality based on what I have seen on my 55" JS7200. But due to limited sources for HDR video currently, you can't sample a lot of content. The HDR on higher end TVs and 2016 "UHD Premium" certified TVs are expected to be even better due to wider contrast but this will probably be very expensive.

For the Sony S85C, it's firmware has been upgraded to support minimum HDR same as X85C. These 2 models don't fully support HDR but I don't know what their limitations are. Not sure about the price for S model but X85C 65" is now availabel for 7.8k in Lazada.

In my opinion both the JS7200 & S85C/X85C are great mid-high end choices. Personally I like the Sony better overall due to natural colours, deeper blacks and Android TV but the Samsung is very similar in quality, cheaper and has more vivid colours. So in the end the JS7200 is more bang for buck.
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tq so much bro...really appreciate
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post Mar 9 2016, 10:26 AM

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@AVFAV, voncrane, jdgobio Thanks for the input! hahah, i shall utilise more on my unifi 30. Most of the time, i wanted to watch a movie fast, so i go and download smaller file size movies =D

I tried installing kodi on the tv, however, i cant get DD or DTS through HDMI ARC to my AVR. I'm sure the movie file contain true HD audio. May i know what is the settings for it? I don wanna plug in optical cable just for the DD or DTS, there is enough cable running through my tv cabinet =D
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 9 2016, 10:26 AM)
@AVFAV, voncrane, jdgobio Thanks for the input! hahah, i shall utilise more on my unifi 30. Most of the time, i wanted to watch a movie fast, so i go and download smaller file size movies =D

I tried installing kodi on the tv, however, i cant get DD or DTS through HDMI ARC to my AVR. I'm sure the movie file contain true HD audio. May i know what is the settings for it? I don wanna plug in optical cable just for the DD or DTS, there is enough cable running through my tv cabinet =D
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the hdmi arc will not give dd/dts with kodi online streams.

neither will optical output.

same if playback hdd via kodi.

same if playing with any other player - mx, vlc...



as far as my testing goes, the dd/dts arc only works if u playback with tv native player.

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@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 9 2016, 10:33 AM)
the hdmi arc will not give dd/dts with kodi online streams.

neither will optical output.

same if playback hdd via kodi.

same if playing with any other player - mx, vlc...
as far as my testing goes, the dd/dts arc only works if u playback with tv native player.
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Well that sucks.. So even Netflix's DD isn't passed through HDMI-ARC or Toslink? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 9 2016, 11:02 AM)
@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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what is this film mode? where to activate it?
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Mar 9 2016, 12:06 PM)
Well that sucks.. So even Netflix's DD isn't passed through HDMI-ARC or Toslink?  shocking.gif
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netflix does, that's fine.

but not for kodi.

i think netflix is using the tv native player.

in tv info like android type, build etc., netflix version is inscribed in it - hence the certification, i suppose.
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Hi AVFAN, the film mode is activated by going through the following:
1. Press home button (android tv main page)
2. Scroll down to settings (gear icon)
3. Scroll down to tv setup
4. On the first column, select advance
5. There you will see film mode

I believe the film mode activate the motion thingy...like the Sony motion flow thingy
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 9 2016, 11:02 AM)
@AVFAN Thanks for the reply, that is abit of a let down... Hopefully the marshmallow update will solve this problem =D i have yet to try the tv native player, will try tonight. Btw, i have switched to movie mode and play with the colour temperature settings, i was able to find my spot there.. haha, now watching movie is brighter now.. i have also turn on the advance contrast to standard, looks better, can see more details in dark scene.

Do you turn on film mode while watching movie? It looks nice for fast motion, at the same time it also make the movie looks fake =D Besides, i have tried 24p for movies, this tv can see judder quite clearly.
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Soap Opera Motion? I'm not a fan.. Had extra motion processing disabled on a Samsung.. Don't need the fluidity..
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@voncrane hahaha, yea, soap opera effect...so i turned it off...too fluid..like watching computer generated movie.

This post has been edited by ericlai: Mar 9 2016, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(ericlai @ Mar 9 2016, 12:26 PM)
Hi AVFAN, the film mode is activated by going through the following:
1. Press home button (android tv main page)
2. Scroll down to settings (gear icon)
3. Scroll down to tv setup
4. On the first column, select advance
5. There you will see film mode

I believe the film mode activate the motion thingy...like the Sony motion flow thingy
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ah, that one... tried it before, unimpressed... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Mar 8 2016, 06:11 PM)
Between those 2 the Sony of course, but whether the price difference is worth it is another matter altogether.
Samsung no longer had high end 1080p for 2015 models. The J6200 is their top HD model but it is more of a mid-range TV.

The W850C is Sony's top HD model (I haven't seen a W9XXC although there is supposed to be one - so I am assuming here) and Sony had much more HD models in 2015.

Personally I will not buy a HD TV now unless the price is really good. On the other hand some may also think to get the best HD tv they can afford coz everyone is no longer selling these TVs. If you see Sony's 2016 line-up there are only 2 HD models and they are only available up to 48 inches. So the W850C is the best HD TV currently available (excluding Oled).

While the W850C is very good for a HD tv, it does not compare to even a mid-end 4K TV. 4K tvs are just awesome and for 6k+ you should be able to find a reasonably good one like the Sharp UE630X or Panasonic CX600.
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I been reading that 4k is pointless as

1) you normally do not sit close enough or the size not big enough
2) there is not much 4k content now

I been watching 720p movies (as download sizes are smaller) on my PC so going HD is still upgrade for me


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