what do you guys think of panasonic th-65ex600k model?
Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X
Battle of the +/- rm7k TVs, + Discussion on Sharp UE630X
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Jul 3 2017, 09:45 AM
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what do you guys think of panasonic th-65ex600k model?
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Jul 3 2017, 05:05 PM
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Jul 3 2017, 05:24 PM
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Jul 4 2017, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jun 25 2017, 12:26 PM) Finally sold it off.. IMO, LG has the best OLED panels. Need to re-evaluate newer models though and yes, price's still on the high side. I think Sony & Panasonic are using LG panels, so the panels are the same but the processing will be different. Last year the Panasonic Oled TV was rated better than LG's own Oled TVs.I think Sony's Oled TV will be much better than LG's. LG units have a high defect rate as well. |
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Jul 4 2017, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 4 2017, 02:38 PM) I think Sony & Panasonic are using LG panels, so the panels are the same but the processing will be different. Last year the Panasonic Oled TV was rated better than LG's own Oled TVs. Hmm.. I've read about the defect rate.. Partly why most are holding out from purchasing, giving manufacturers time to iron out major kinks. Personally, not willing to shell out a decent sum, only for the TV to drop dead just after the warranty period. I think Sony's Oled TV will be much better than LG's. LG units have a high defect rate as well. This post has been edited by voncrane: Jul 4 2017, 03:24 PM |
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Jul 4 2017, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jul 4 2017, 03:24 PM) Hmm.. I've read about the defect rate.. Partly why most are holding out from purchasing, giving manufacturers time to iron out major kinks. Personally, not willing to shell out a decent sum, only for the TV to drop dead just after the warranty period. Yup, the defect rate is worrying especially when spending such a big amount on a TV. The best is to get extended 5 year 1 to 1 exchange for such big purchases but then it adds-on about 10-15% of the cost. I guess I will be waiting it out for a few more years |
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Jul 11 2017, 03:21 PM
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Hi sifus, is my magic remote spoiled? My TV can't detect the remote when i hold the 'home' and 'back' button more than 20 seconds.
power On/off works though via infrared |
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Jul 11 2017, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(cakoi898 @ Jul 11 2017, 03:21 PM) Hi sifus, is my magic remote spoiled? My TV can't detect the remote when i hold the 'home' and 'back' button more than 20 seconds. doesn't "spoil" that easily.power On/off works though via infrared check settings, see if the pairing is active. replace the battery - original one can die quick. |
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Jul 11 2017, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 4 2017, 02:38 PM) I think Sony & Panasonic are using LG panels, so the panels are the same but the processing will be different. Last year the Panasonic Oled TV was rated better than LG's own Oled TVs. LG's defect rate the highest because they sell the most OLED TVs. Significantly more than both Panasonic and Sony combined so far, so that's an unfair comparison.I think Sony's Oled TV will be much better than LG's. LG units have a high defect rate as well. Both Sony and Panasonic employs different tone mapping algorithms, on paper the Sony performs the "worse" because it clips highlights and details. But in reality for most eyes, majoritywill perceive Sony as the best because it appears "brighter" and "punchier". This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jul 11 2017, 08:34 PM |
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Jul 12 2017, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 11 2017, 08:33 PM) LG's defect rate the highest because they sell the most OLED TVs. Significantly more than both Panasonic and Sony combined so far, so that's an unfair comparison. Now that you pointed it out, I realize that my statement about the defect is not reasonable. But the reason I actually mentioned that is because OLED TVs defect rates seem to be much higher than the LCD TVs in general and LG being the major seller of OLED TVs inadvertently gets the blame. In a way I believe its justified because such high levels of defect shows that LG has poor QC but maybe this is more of an issue with the technology itself. Anyway, since for me this will be a very big purchase, I am really not keen to risk it with any OLED until the technology matures. But damn, its really hard to resist the temptation!Both Sony and Panasonic employs different tone mapping algorithms, on paper the Sony performs the "worse" because it clips highlights and details. But in reality for most eyes, majoritywill perceive Sony as the best because it appears "brighter" and "punchier". Read the same thing in Rtings about the Sony OLEDs yesterday, quite disappointing really and they are charging a premium over LG for a worse PQ. Will probably take your advice (in the other thread) to wait till 2018 and maybe get slightly cheaper prices too. |
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Jul 12 2017, 02:06 PM
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Is the UE630x on the market currently 2017 models or 2016 or *gulp* 2015 models?
I ask a shop and they assured us it was 2017... another shop said sharp was bought over by foxconn (taiwan) and new models no longer have androidtv on it. |
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Jul 12 2017, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(frega @ Jul 12 2017, 02:06 PM) Is the UE630x on the market currently 2017 models or 2016 or *gulp* 2015 models? Ue630x launched in mid 2015.I ask a shop and they assured us it was 2017... another shop said sharp was bought over by foxconn (taiwan) and new models no longer have androidtv on it. Hisense bought over sharp USA, the plant in mexico. Foxconn bought over rest of sharp. I read the new sharp model in USA is actually hisense, non-androidtv, 4k hdr. Have not read or seen anything in the local shops new since foxconn acquisition. A new model should hv a new model or series no., unlikely to be same. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jul 12 2017, 02:26 PM |
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Jul 12 2017, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 12 2017, 09:55 AM) Now that you pointed it out, I realize that my statement about the defect is not reasonable. But the reason I actually mentioned that is because OLED TVs defect rates seem to be much higher than the LCD TVs in general and LG being the major seller of OLED TVs inadvertently gets the blame. In a way I believe its justified because such high levels of defect shows that LG has poor QC but maybe this is more of an issue with the technology itself. Anyway, since for me this will be a very big purchase, I am really not keen to risk it with any OLED until the technology matures. But damn, its really hard to resist the temptation! OLEDs are not easy to manufacture. Recently, LG has made improvements to their manufacturing process for OLED panels. Models made after April 2017 are expected to have some of the new improvements implemented, at least that's what I'm reading from Korean news and forums. There are of course no clear cut proof to this though.Read the same thing in Rtings about the Sony OLEDs yesterday, quite disappointing really and they are charging a premium over LG for a worse PQ. Will probably take your advice (in the other thread) to wait till 2018 and maybe get slightly cheaper prices too. Anyways, I went from an E6 last year, sold it this year for a C7. Wouldn't have gone with LG again if I weren't confident with them. While my panel is not perfect due to a slight bit of vignetting (a common issue that most people perceive it as a "defect"), I understand that OLED isn't perfect yet. The best LCDs aren't even perfect anyways, I mean I've seen a Z9D with 4 dead LED zones in a showroom that not even the demonstrator saw until I pointed it out... so, you know.. : Everyone expects next year to be the "tick" year for LG's next OLED panel. So we'll see how it goes. I'm here ready to sell my C7 for a C8 or whatever they're call gonna call it. |
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Jul 12 2017, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 12 2017, 04:45 PM) OLEDs are not easy to manufacture. Recently, LG has made improvements to their manufacturing process for OLED panels. Models made after April 2017 are expected to have some of the new improvements implemented, at least that's what I'm reading from Korean news and forums. There are of course no clear cut proof to this though. Yes, I'm glad LG didn't give up on OLEDs like Samsung did due to the difficult manufacturing process. I really hope they improve and make it more reliable. Also, it will be great if there are a couple of more manufacturers for OLED other than LG to make it more competitive. Anyways, I went from an E6 last year, sold it this year for a C7. Wouldn't have gone with LG again if I weren't confident with them. While my panel is not perfect due to a slight bit of vignetting (a common issue that most people perceive it as a "defect"), I understand that OLED isn't perfect yet. The best LCDs aren't even perfect anyways, I mean I've seen a Z9D with 4 dead LED zones in a showroom that not even the demonstrator saw until I pointed it out... so, you know.. : Everyone expects next year to be the "tick" year for LG's next OLED panel. So we'll see how it goes. I'm here ready to sell my C7 for a C8 or whatever they're call gonna call it. Wow, you plan to upgrade again? That's hardcore |
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Jul 12 2017, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 12 2017, 05:01 PM) Yes, I'm glad LG didn't give up on OLEDs like Samsung did due to the difficult manufacturing process. I really hope they improve and make it more reliable. Also, it will be great if there are a couple of more manufacturers for OLED other than LG to make it more competitive. I believe Sharp will be entering the market for OLED soon? Wow, you plan to upgrade again? That's hardcore It's a sad bug of upgraditis, it's a silly rabbit hole to be honest. On one hand, I'm secretly expecting HDMI 2.1 to put an end to all the issues HDMI 2.0 is having as well as having that all important variable refresh rate support... but the logical thinking is that, HDMI 2.1 will have its own host of problems as well. Didn't lose anything when selling the E6 actually. Bought E6 last year at 23k, then sold it for 22k a month+ ago, then bought C7 for 20k. Actually earn 1k lol Since they are all using the same panel, the same chipset, the base PQ is the same. It's just the little refinements here and there (the ABL being the most important one for me) that makes the C7 better. |
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Jul 12 2017, 05:27 PM
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Jul 12 2017, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 12 2017, 05:11 PM) I believe Sharp will be entering the market for OLED soon? That's good news, Sharp needs to up its game again with new owners injecting money now.It's a sad bug of upgraditis, it's a silly rabbit hole to be honest. On one hand, I'm secretly expecting HDMI 2.1 to put an end to all the issues HDMI 2.0 is having as well as having that all important variable refresh rate support... but the logical thinking is that, HDMI 2.1 will have its own host of problems as well. Didn't lose anything when selling the E6 actually. Bought E6 last year at 23k, then sold it for 22k a month+ ago, then bought C7 for 20k. Actually earn 1k lol Since they are all using the same panel, the same chipset, the base PQ is the same. It's just the little refinements here and there (the ABL being the most important one for me) that makes the C7 better. Yeah, it may take a few years to iron out the issues as HDMI 2.1 is a big upgrade from 2.0. I also hope the HDCP issues don't happen again with new protection that makes our TVs obsolete within a couple of years. That's very nice to make a profit from it and get the latest better model |
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Jul 12 2017, 09:32 PM
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Hi, anyone here using LC50LE580X?
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Jul 13 2017, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 12 2017, 02:23 PM) Ue630x launched in mid 2015. Thanks for the info AVFAN.Hisense bought over sharp USA, the plant in mexico. Foxconn bought over rest of sharp. I read the new sharp model in USA is actually hisense, non-androidtv, 4k hdr. Have not read or seen anything in the local shops new since foxconn acquisition. A new model should hv a new model or series no., unlikely to be same. So essentially, I'll be buying the mid 2015 model, manufactured in either 2015 or 2016 then? Or did Foxconn continue to produce the same models this year still? Was going to get the 50UE630x for Kodi (+ air mouse, ease of use for parents). But they're like "get the newer model". Alternatively is non android LGUJ652T with an android box. This post has been edited by frega: Jul 13 2017, 01:36 PM |
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Jul 13 2017, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(frega @ Jul 13 2017, 01:34 PM) Thanks for the info AVFAN. Foxconn had said they will "leave the sharp biz alone". So, for a while at least, biz as usual.So essentially, I'll be buying the mid 2015 model, manufactured in either 2015 or 2016 then? Or did Foxconn continue to produce the same models this year still? Was going to get the 50UE630x for Kodi (+ air mouse, ease of use for parents). But they're like "get the newer model". Alternatively is non android LGUJ652T with an android box. I do no think there is any new model since. But like anything else, the ue630x probably were made in batches, with some in 2016 or even 2017, i would think. How to check that, i hv no idea. One thing u can check is the android version. Older ones will still have 5.1 while newer should have 6.0 or 6.1. My unit is 1 yr 8 months now, 5.1, enjoying it thoroughly. What is this lgu model? A new sharp 4k hdr? If price is comparable, getting it with a good adroidbox is worth considering. Esp if u do a lot of playback with big files, high quality for video and audio. The ue630x usb playback function is not very good. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jul 13 2017, 01:58 PM |
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