anyone joining dec 18 intake at deloitte? 😁

That’s the problem with you new generations. Easily get upset on stuffs like this. You should consider yourself lucky that they gave u a chance to explain why u fail and how u overcome it. Instead of honestly telling what was the problem u faced and how did u overcome it, u blew ur chance.

A suprising thing was, u realised that you do not have a good results, but you weren’t expecting or prepared to answer questions about your results. How are the big4 gonna hire u if u cant show them u are prepared? There are alot of 1st class graduate applying for the job and they need to know WHY they must pick u.

Nowadays the audit managers dont really give a shit about whether you are 1st class or 2nd lower. What matter the most is we give, u deliver. You’ll be suprised how many of my so called 1st class juniors can’t even do a simple financial statements tie-outs.

For the record, PWC would have just stopped the conversation once they heard u failed a subject.

hello

could someone elaborate on the 4 audit departments in EY? i just passed the HR screening (super nervous!) and it caught me offguard because i just sent in my application last friday

one of the questions i was asked was which industry i would prefer because they would try to match me with the manager of that department for the interview. i answered that my options were open😅😅 and the recruiter seems to be amused and told me that i could request subject to that department manager’s availability

Hi, have u reverted a signed offer letter to the HR yet?

If you find the interview question invasive, wait till you meet your audit partner and client. I know a Big4 partner that has zero qualm of grilling a staff in front of everybody at high pitch with language that even Gordon Ramsay is proud of. You may also get that a lot from client who generally viewed auditors as annoyance in Malaysia.

Yes, I think it’s better for them to filter out candidates that don’t fit their culture. It’s not a playground. Yes, they need a lot of people during peak period but they are not obliged to hire anybody. The cost of recruiting the wrong candidate is greater than having insufficient staff. At least the manager can blame lack of resources over mistakes.

Finishing your education is their lowest and minimum expectation. They don’t need to hire top graduates for the work they do (although they wanted to but they will lose these candidates to investment banks or consulting firms). Sometimes failure is justifiable and with legitimate reasons. Some of the best people I work with are not a top scorer. It requires different traits to be a good staff and a good education background (which signifies learning capabilities) is just one of them.

Another example is how well you learn in a non-controlled environment? For example, how you respond during crisis, how you multi-task, how you prioritise key deliverables, how you deal with clients that are not cooperative, how you deal with your supervisor who has a different style …. You don’t learn any of this in textbook. The closest is through interview questions. If you can’t convince them in the interview, what makes you think they are confident to hand the projects to you?

Don’t worry; no one is immune to mistakes. I have made similar ones. The important thing is to learn and improve on it.

Do you like financial institutions? If yes, request for that dept.

If not, do you want to stay in audit forever? If no, google and find the company you would like to join in future. Read their annual report and identify their auditor. If it’s EY, find the name of partner and ask HR which department that is. Then request to join / interview with that dept manager.  Clients like to recruit their external auditors to become their accountant / finance manager to deal back with the external auditors. You will learn the beauty of it after few years.

One way to impress the HR and to separate yourself from the others. Risks: higher expectation.

thank you so much! guess i’ll be busy the next few days doing my research then

another question to ask - with big companies like the big4, is am i suppose to nego my salary even at entry level? (if i’m asked during interview)?

for some reason i thought i wouldnt need to since i’m just a fresh grad/entry level but a few friends brought it up when we had dinner yesterdy. they were always asked by the managers during the knterview (they applied to banks) but i havent heard anything bout the big4. maybe it’s at the contract offer stage? or is it non-nego?

someone suggested to throw a higher rate out (lets say 3k if you wanted 2.8k) since they would lower whatever you suggested anyway. i was told that the current rate is min 2.8-3 for entry level at big4. any suggestions on how to go anout this if i’m asked during interview? i honestly dont mind 2.8k just that if you can nego for higher why not?

I recently got a job offer at EY and they are offering me RM3.1k inclusive of allowance. The salary at EY should be around there for everyone I think? I had an interview with the senior manager and he didn’t ask for salary or anything and even my friend wasn’t asked. Maybe it’s best to not ask? Not so sure though. Good luck with your interview!

thank you so much! guess i’ll be busy the next few days doing my research then

another question to ask - with big companies like the big4, is am i suppose to nego my salary even at entry level? (if i’m asked during interview)?

for some reason i thought i wouldnt need to since i’m just a fresh grad/entry level but a few friends brought it up when we had dinner yesterdy. they were always asked by the managers during the knterview (they applied to banks) but i havent heard anything bout the big4. maybe it’s at the contract offer stage? or is it non-nego?

someone suggested to throw a higher rate out (lets say 3k if you wanted 2.8k) since they would lower whatever you suggested anyway. i was told that the current rate is min 2.8-3 for entry level at big4. any suggestions on how to go anout this if i’m asked during interview? i honestly dont mind 2.8k just that if you can nego for higher why not?

I recently got a job offer at EY and they are offering me RM3.1k inclusive of allowance. The salary at EY should be around there for everyone I think? I had an interview with the senior manager and he didn’t ask for salary or anything and even my friend wasn’t asked. Maybe it’s best to not ask? Not so sure though. Good luck with your interview!

Well if they do ask you, you should then put at least RM3k because that’s the current salary at big 4 I think hehe. I know that Deloitte offers RM3k & my friend at KPMG got offered RM2800. So RM3k should be reasonable. They do have a section in the form later that you need to fill stating “Expected salary.”

Hi, may i know when did your friend went for interview and got offered from kpmg?

non-negotiable. Because they pay the top graduate within this range, unless you possess something extraordinary. 

KPMG and EY pay above 3k. (inclusive allowance
Delotie pay around 3k. (inclusive allowance
Pwc 2.8k +150 allowace

#provided that you passed one of the professional qualifications. if not, no extra allowance for you.

Well if they do ask you, you should then put at least RM3k because that’s the current salary at big 4 I think hehe. I know that Deloitte offers RM3k & my friend at KPMG got offered RM2800. So RM3k should be reasonable. They do have a section in the form later that you need to fill stating “Expected salary.”

fresh grad pay is pretty stamdard. dun fight too much over the 50 or 100. aim for the promo to senior and manager. thats when money gets better.

not sure if this might be useful to you but this month's kpmg interview haven't set yet i think?
i also received interview confirmation but they said date tbc
i applied beginning of october

owh, i went for interview already, still waiting for reply now!