I thought it is easy to get EP?

Just fulfill the minimum salary requirement only right?

To be blunt, your blame on the work pass system as the cause of your woes smells like an attempt to shirk personal responsibility. If you don't have the necessary skillset (education, experience, charisma, etc etc) to grow your career on EP now, it won't be any different if you are a PR or even SC in the future.

This post has been edited by deodorant: Dec 17 2015, 07:23 AM

+1

Instead of expecting people to change the system to help you, focus on improving yourself instead

Wow.. just wow.

Where's that flame shield of mine.

You sound like a typical yes man.

I made a reasonable suggestion on how they can improve the permit system. If you had an ounce of critical thinking, you'd see it as a fair assessment of the system in it's current form.

But no, only a yes man would close his eyes, put his fingers in his ears and scream "I don't wanna hear about this suggestion; it challenges my beliefs."

So act ignorant or indifferent to the woes of people who actually have to live through the system and make a living from it for all I care. It makes zero difference to my life. Next time you go off on that angle, do a proper analysis of where the Fuck that person is coming from before attacking the persons. That was seriously uncalled for.

Anyways, continue living in your tin foiled wrapped mansion of yours. God knows how hard you've work to earn it. Slow clap for the keyboard warrior, you sir, win the internet today.

This post has been edited by the99percent1: Dec 17 2015, 09:31 AM

Don't be such a baby. Already work the better part of a decade still can't take criticism? I'm not commenting on your "suggestions to improve the permit system." I'm merely disputing your assertion that the permit system is the barrier to your growth.




Your posts imply that "If only you were a PR, then your growth wouldn't be held back by all the kuli FT S-Pass holders doing your job for less pay," to which I say bullshit. It's exactly as you claimed in an earlier post - "The cream always rises." The question you need to figure out the answer to is, are you the cream, or are you the milk? And if you're the milk, what aspect of your profile is stopping you from becoming cream?

Identify it and then fix it. And no, the "lack of a PR" is not one of those aspects.

This post has been edited by deodorant: Dec 17 2015, 09:38 AM

take it easy man

Some ppl cant take critism

what do you know of my accomplishments, experience, qualifications and skill to make such a judgement call?

Has it ever occurred to you that out of 20 people in kl operations, why was I the only one to not be let go and furthermore, brought into sg under all costs?

You know nothing about me to make a suggestion..

Heck, what do you know of my field or industry to be able to even suggest anything?

For someone who supposedly is earning a lot of money, haven't youve learnt to keep your opinions to yourself?

I know what is best for myself. If I say pr is the next route for me if I want to progress here in sg, then that is what I will do..

I didn't make ANY judgement call on you. You judged yourself. You are the one who came here and complained about not being able to progress because of S-Pass kulis doing your exact job for less pay (your own words). Isn't that an admission on your part that your profile is no better than theirs?

Otherwise if you were head and shoulders superior to them, shouldn't it be trivial for cream such as yourself to rise? With a clearly superior profile it should be fairly easy to either get a promotion within your company, or get a more senior / higher paying role elsewhere. No?

Or are you sticking with the belief that "yes of course that would be trivial, if only I had a PR" ... ?

This post has been edited by deodorant: Dec 17 2015, 11:03 AM

I'm more than curious of one point, if you are doing well in KL, why would you opt to move to SG and fight with those S Pass holders?
You have a choice right?

If today I were to move to SG but not going to have those luxurious lifestyle like back in KL, for sure I don't want. I don't want to be a slave there.

Maybe he likes to challenge himself in SG but also at the same he likes to complain when he's competing with S Pass holders and lastly start the finger pointing session.

Wah lau guys, no need to take it so personally. In the end we are just replaceable cogs in a machine. No such thing as fair in this world. IMHO Singapore gov just wants the best people to stay and grow the human resources in their country. Unlike Malaysia, they have no natural resources to subsidize their state so it obviously means once you go in they want you to stay as long as possible and settle down and make babies there. That's why the pressure to convert S/Epass to PR and then to citizenship is strong and deliberate from a policy perspective. Some of my friends who went down south felt they had no choice in the end to go down that path. Sure, some companies will try to exploit you here and there, but so do our Malaysian employers when they bypass locals for Bangladeshis, Filipinos and Nepalese. My perspective is that you can live with it and try to squeeze what you want out of the system or move elsewhere. It boils down to our own choice. "You tak suka, you keluar" applies to almost any place I think.

This post has been edited by oe_kintaro: Dec 17 2015, 11:20 AM

hi , just came sg to work for few months saying my hellos here o.o"

I've heard a lot about this, but been working and living here for the past 7+years (PR for 6+ years), and i've yet to experience this...
married (wife MY Citizen, SG PR) with 2 kids born here in SG (also MY Citizen, SG PR) and own a HDB here, renewed my REP (including my kid ones, since kids REP are tied to parents) online without much drama.
So i'm not sure if SG Gov is still pressuring PRs to convert.

Coz you not holding PEP maybe. Dedorant used to hold PEP 3.0, meaning he satisfied criteria for 3 time the requirement of normal PEP, before being offered PR. If you PEP rank you won't bother with SPass, EP or PR already. You is 20 chose 1, Dedorant is 1 million candidate chose 1 with expat package to SG to head the main arm of a bank now.

His KL side office got shut down and restructured leh. Put in other word mean kena double boil mushroom in cantonese.

Does your pay and position affect your PR application?

KL no more other companies meh?
Can take package and look for a new job.
If I were to move to a new role, company, country, it must be a better off offer than what I'm having now.

Yes, but the fact you converted from E-pass/S-pass means you have one foot in the boat already, and furthermore your kids have to do NS. You haven't gone completely over but obviously the way is open for you and you might feel tempted at some point to convert. some of my friends who are still single felt it was their only logical choice.

i believe it has impact...sg prefer skilled worker and...those that has higher salary stands better chance ...from what i read last time when i was trying to search if im qualified to be PR...

Exactly, I believe his situation was his "6 figure income" was only because they were paying him an average SGD salary
So in other words, he couldn't get anywhere close to the same MYR converted pay at other MY companies for his position
Of course all those were left out when talking about the rolex and luxury car

This post has been edited by KilJim: Dec 17 2015, 11:33 AM

Need to ask those who are familiar with SG, what are the common/popular residential areas along the East West line?
TQ.