Hi Hestati,

Would like to know is the Aquaphor Crystal Eco really NSF certified ? As far i know no Aquaphor sellers actually dare to claim that their Crystal Eco was NSF certified except for the Aquaphor Reverse Osmosis. This topic regarding the crystal eco NSF certified or not was really a very hot topic before by different competitors in this thread.

Would you able to give some explanations to clear the air ?

Thanks.

confirm not certified by NSF as debated many times last time.

Kindly please don't simply increase the price as it only 3k something, the price is standard and is there even other countries or over the world, no any markup or earn buy seller. There are not point to keep continue debate with meaningless right. Everyone have their right and choice to choose which system they want, depends on their needs, can try to google on it how much NSF certificate they get and other than NSF still got WQA (Water Quality Association) certificate, how they implement the technical on it. As all also know NSF 42 is a very standard and basic NSF cert for a basic water filter system, if the water filter does not even have NSF 42 that means it can no need to consider. So if the water filter have NSF 42 does not means it is good enough to filter most of the contaminants. No point to debate any.

This post has been edited by Ch33r: May 4 2018, 02:04 PM

Yes, please bring in. I have both 3M and culligan filter heads. 3M's AP2 and AP3 filter heads are widely available in Taobao too.
Btw, without the brand name and NSF certification, how are you going to convince the consumers?

Official retail price RM4,505.00
Please be transparent with your official pricing and dont beat around the bush with RM3k + vague answer. What's the catch to get RM3k+ price ? Join member ? How much ?
https://www.amway.my/en/Categories/Home-Liv.../watertreatment

I was not a part of last time discussion, but I did investigate this question before bringing Aquaphor in and I was also talking to Aquaphor distributor in Russia.

We're talking about NSF 42 here, nothing else.

As a whole system "Crystal Eco" is not certified, meaning it will not have a certificate with it's name on it.

Individual components though, are certified. Aquaphor, just like any other manufacturer, doesn't make everything by themselves, they pretty much buy and assemble (though they do manufacture some of their components, mainly water cartridges).

So their UF membrane by Mitsubishi is NSF, their faucet by Likuan is NSF certified, all their fittings (and I suspect tubing) are by John Guest, so yes, also NSF certified. So yes, individual components are NSF certified, the whole system is also tested to NSF 42 standards, but there is no certificate with Crystal Eco name on it.


But in order to clear up the confusion once and for all, I must just say Aqauphor Crystal Eco system is meeting NSF 42 requirements and is made of NSF certified components, but I agree it is wrong to blatantly say that "Aquaphor Crystal Eco is NSF certified system". I will go over my listings and double check if I somewhere said "NSF certified system"

I guess everyone's question is how do you justify made in China modified carbon block + UV to cost 4000RM and why not include a pre-filter at least, so that the system doesn't get premature blocks? It's a heavily modified carbon block and class B UV, 500RM with healthy profits, 1200RM because you have this MLM type and a brand name, but why 4k?

You mean for the 3M and Cuno etc replacements? They are NSF certified.

On Taobao, are these original 3M heads? Wondering how much is the price... 3M also sets crazy mark up for Malaysia, time to parallel import it

Nevermind, found them. Hmmm, I have a plan . I wish I could find same for Aquaphor and not from Russia. I want to bring Aquaphor to 800-900 mark.

P.S. sorry for creating 3 posts and not replying in one, but as soon as I reply to 1, saw another one appearing just before.

This post has been edited by hestati: May 4 2018, 03:45 PM

No one will go for retail price if there is cheaper member price, same theory to all, today you apply every member card from no matter what shopping mall or what shop, you sure will get rewards of their membership this is for sure. All are very clear and transparent.

If you google it, its not only a carbon block and the UV light patent, it get other patented technique, it also contains the intelligent function which use the smart chip to build it for the intelligent monitoring system. As all also know there are not cheap to get a patented, the value is there. It not only get NSF42, but also get NSF53 AND NSF55, and also been awarded the GOLD SEAL by WQA.
Just need to know every products have their value with their price, (here need to say again but no harsh feeling) just like Iphone compare to other phone or Mercedes or BMW compare to other car, it just an example for the differences. The technology or the patent the products have also are different so impossible both also have the same price right. At the end all also depends on the comsumer choices, based on their budget and needs, to choose the right and the products they want, no right or wrong. You can just post your offer, if consumer interested, they will sure contact you, no point to keep debate here with meaningless.

This post has been edited by Ch33r: May 4 2018, 04:30 PM

Monitoring what? When to replace the cartridge? Even on this forum there are people who say that this system failed them, saying all is good, but filter blocked. The best super intelligent monitor is pressure gauge, check pressure before, check pressure after, calculate the difference, change cartridge. All this smart things wouldn't be required if only Espring had 100RM washable pre-filter.

You have NSF 53 because you're selling in USA and California. And your NSF 53 is mainly for VOCs and lead. VOCs are easy to remove by pretty much any filter. There are 100s of VOCs out there, you just listed them one by one and certified, this is how you got 140 contaminants. NSF 55 is for UV systems only, this is the only reason you have it. System without UV cannot get 55 because only, well, it's doesn't have UV.

We've been over it 20 pages ago. Again, it's not a bad system (and it is great that it got all these certifications) for 600-1200RM, depending on how much one wants to pay for brand name and marketing. Even at 600RM can get healthy profits. But for 4500RM or even "3K+" it's 4 times overpriced.

For this kind of money, one can get tankless RO system with like 4 membranes, 1200-1600 GPD and a nitrate filter and a mineralization cartridge and a dispenser and still go for a nice dinner.

This post has been edited by hestati: May 4 2018, 08:12 PM

last time link i dunno use which vendor, but i think just search for it in taobao, got many sellers sell them
filter can just buy from kl. not too expensive.

why would it be fake? its' just a lump of fibre reinforced plastic molded part. how expensive can it be to make it.
3m also sell filters in china, hong kong taiwan wat. in malaysia perhaps maybe they dont want to sell you the head,
even aquaphor has the adaptor head only. cheap cheap in europe.

Earlier you said....
I did not SIMPLY increase the price, as the matter of fact I quoted lower than the official retail price.
Standard price must be quoted precisely to the nearest cent, you don't simply quote RM3k+ as standard price .

Ok, will try to search for Aquaphor head as well, hope can get it without touching Russia, where logistics is a freaking nightmare. If can get price of Aquaphor down to 800-900 I think it will be good for everyone. I saw the head before, but it was for Crystal H, 4 cartridges, not 3.

3M, I want to find AP9xx series head, then can really bring the price down.

aquaphor got single one also.

AP9 series is the blue outdoor right? i think i seen it before somewhere

In Amazon, Aqua Crest is selling compatible RC for 3M and culligan but I dare not buy because no NSF. If your compatible RC is NSF certified and cheaper then ori, why not.

I've being using the 3M filter head bought from Taobao for about 2 years. I compared it with the original local 3M, both are identical. Material quality to my naked eyes also same in comparison.
Fitting to original RC is perfectly smooth and snug. Can replace RC on the fly without shutting off the control valve. If you want to see the filter head, PM me.
I hope you can bring in these common filter heads to help put pressure to overpricing in branded water purifier.

Yes, ap900 series is blue outside. Gotta find it.

Single Aquaphor you mean Solo? I don't see point in Solo, not too popular anyway, they are considering discontinuing it.


Yes, it is NSF certified, some are even NSF 53. What is your replacement cartridge, I will check.

If I bring parts of 3M and such, must assemble it here, I doubt people will be willing to DIY assemble from parts. So still gotta sell as a kit, just in wholesale package and at better price.

This post has been edited by hestati: May 4 2018, 09:27 PM

the point is to inform you the solo head cost less than rm100

so a base system with 3 filters will cost you rm350 (3 replacement filter which includes profit) + 3x100 heads. no reason why it should be rm1200 to rm1800

AP9xx series I search whole China sites liao. Bo, Yilek.

My RC are 3M C-Complete and Culligan RC-EZ-4.
The most common 3M series for PoU are AP2 and AP3, I have AP3 head (Easy Complete), ar188 has AP2 head (all bought from Taobao ). For PoE, AP9XX series can forget about it, the original cartridge is too pricey (~RM650) unless you can bring in compatible RC.
Agree with you that people not willing to DIY assemble, in fact they even want installation included. I think it's better to brand your compatible under your Fresca name, just like some electric appliances, same product but different brand names.

By the way, I dissected my retired Culligan EZ-4 cartridge for research purposes. Any comment on the material quality ?



This post has been edited by aeiou228: May 4 2018, 11:50 PM