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post Apr 29 2018, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Apr 21 2018, 05:30 PM)
Alright, I will do my best to present my new system, which I call Fresca Disruptor (FD) here. THIS IS NOT SALES PITCH. I will only share pure facts and whenever there's my opinion, I will clearly indicate it. But apologies if I break the rules of the forum.

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If your mount a bracket to “lift” it will it easier to change / replace the filter

I not happy with my current Aquasana type water filter
Very slow water flow rate and the filter seems not so dirty after 1 year
I brought a water meter (not yet arrive) to test it later

I thinking installing a pre filter and a master filter before this filter
Looking for other solution if possible but the problem is that I still have replacement filter for 2 years

p.s. anyone want saw cut it open and compare?

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post Apr 29 2018, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(xproc @ Apr 29 2018, 10:59 AM)
If your mount a bracket to “lift” it will it easier to change / replace the filter

I not happy with my current Aquasana type water filter
Very slow water flow rate and the filter seems not so dirty after 1 year
I brought a water meter (not yet arrive) to test it later

I thinking installing a pre filter and a master filter before this filter
Looking for other solution if possible but the problem is that I still have replacement filter for 2 years
FD has a bracket, can be mounted on it, but what we do is actually slightly different. We leave extra long tubing. This way, when you need to service the system, you just take it out and put in your sink without disconnecting. So any water that leaks when maintenance is done, will go directly into sink without making any mess.


As for Aquasana, what are these cartridges? I tried to find it online, Aquasana bombards you with information, but doesn't tell you what is each cartridge. First one they say is sediment 20 micron, ok, but what is it made of? Is it melt blown cartridge?

One of the stages is clearly 0.5 micron modified carbon block, I'm supposing that would be last stage, but what is stage 2?

Anyway, I see 2 potential problems. If stage 1 and stage 2 are "depth" filtration, meaning they catch particles inside rather than on the surface (like a sponge vs a net), then they get blocked and there is no way to wash it.

Second issue could be that stage 3, being modified carbon block with 0.5 absolute is so heavily modified that it gets blocked in no time with non-sediment type of contaminants.

Solution to problem 1 would be a washable pre-filter, 5 micron or even 1 micron pleated poly, depending on what your stage 2 is. But then you may as well not use stage 1 of Aquasana (it's 20 micron).

This may solve second problem as well, and if not then you need a sub micron pre filter (UF, Disruptor type etc).

But overall, I never understood why Aquasana made these 1/2 filters... Clearly they get blocked 2 times faster than full size filters.

P.S. and why do they say on Lazada that system is made in USA when it is not, but that's not related to our discussion.
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post Apr 29 2018, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Apr 29 2018, 11:57 AM)
FD has a bracket, can be mounted on it, but what we do is actually slightly different. We leave extra long tubing. This way, when you need to service the system, you just take it out and put in your sink without disconnecting. So any water that leaks when maintenance is done, will go directly into sink without making any mess.
As for Aquasana, what are these cartridges? I tried to find it online, Aquasana bombards you with information, but doesn't tell you what is each cartridge. First one they say is sediment 20 micron, ok, but what is it made of? Is it melt blown cartridge?

One of the stages is clearly 0.5 micron modified carbon block, I'm supposing that would be last stage, but what is stage 2?

Anyway, I see 2 potential problems. If stage 1 and stage 2 are "depth" filtration, meaning they catch particles inside rather than on the surface (like a sponge vs a net), then they get blocked and there is no way to wash it.

Second issue could be that stage 3, being modified carbon block with 0.5 absolute is so heavily modified that it gets blocked in no time with non-sediment type of contaminants.

Solution to problem 1 would be a washable pre-filter, 5 micron or even 1 micron pleated poly, depending on what your stage 2 is. But then you may as well not use stage 1 of Aquasana (it's 20 micron).

This may solve second problem as well, and if not then you need a sub micron pre filter (UF, Disruptor type etc).

But overall, I never understood why Aquasana made these 1/2 filters... Clearly they get blocked 2 times faster than full size filters.

P.S. and why do they say on Lazada that system is made in USA when it is not, but that's not related to our discussion.
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which type 1 micron pleated poly setup u recommend, the housing and the filter? when i research more i see the stage 1 its 20 micron then i sweat.gif

or should i buy a douton cermaic filter as prefilter...

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post Apr 29 2018, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(xproc @ Apr 29 2018, 12:43 PM)
which type 1 micron pleated poly setup u recommend, the housing and the filter? when i research more i see the stage 1 its 20 micron then i  sweat.gif

or should i buy a douton cermaic filter as prefilter...
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No, ceramic is the worst idea as pre filter. Ceramic can be ok last stage, but as pre filter it will get blocked even faster than Aquasana.

For pre filter, you can get standard housing+fittings+cartridge. I will drop some pictures later today. We are planning to sell supply pre filter with every Aquaphor in the future, so I have some ideas.
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QUOTE(hestati @ Apr 29 2018, 01:17 PM)
No, ceramic is the worst idea as pre filter. Ceramic can be ok last stage, but as pre filter it will get blocked even faster than Aquasana.

For pre filter, you can get standard housing+fittings+cartridge. I will drop some pictures later today. We are planning to sell supply pre filter with every Aquaphor in the future, so I have some ideas.
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Ok I try go find at ace hardware today since hardware shop no open

So if my stage 3 is 5 micron, should I add another ceramic doulton after this filter which is 0.9 micron since we have no idea what is the stage 2 filter is
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QUOTE(xproc @ Apr 29 2018, 01:35 PM)
Ok I try go find at ace hardware today since hardware shop no open

So if my stage 3 is 5 micron, should I add another ceramic doulton after this filter which is 0.9 micron since we have no idea what is the stage 2 filter is
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No use for ceramic in your case. You have 0.5 micron already in your system. Ceramic filters... I would not recommend to anyone. Because they are "depth" filters, many funny things happen inside of them when bacteria start growing, for example, formation of various VOCs. There is a reason why ceramic filters were never certified in California, Doulton actually tried, but never managed to.

The major problem I see with Aquasana filters is no protection from bacteria, so if you want to add something after, you can add UF membrane, Nano membrane or Disruptor filter or any post-filter able to remove bacteria. Just FYI, I will very soon bring in-line filter that is able to do exactly that, remove bacteria, so if you want, you can consider it.

For pre-filter, chech how much is standard housing+fittings+tubing+cartridge at Ace Hardware. Please note that they do not sell pleated polyester as far as I know, only melt blown, need to change about once per 3-4 months. Meanwhile, I will check how much is my pre filter and update you.
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Plan to install filter for outdoor. Very confusing. Sifu please help. I read carbon media shouldn’t be outside filter, is it true? May I know why? 5 layer = rm800 and 7 layer =1350. More layer mean better? Stainless steel is the best? Alkaline water better than drinking water?

Thank you in advance.
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QUOTE(coca^cola @ May 2 2018, 08:27 PM)
Plan to install filter for outdoor. Very confusing. Sifu please help. I read carbon media shouldn’t be outside filter, is it true? May I know why? 5 layer = rm800 and 7 layer =1350. More layer mean better? Stainless steel is the best? Alkaline water better than drinking water?

Thank you in advance.
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You're a bit confused))

For outside, there are 2 types of filter, media and cartridge. All that you need outdoor is quality sediment filter. Cartridge filter can be as low as 1 micron, realistically 5 is good enough, 20 can work too if your water is very dirty. Media filter in theory can be 20 micron, reality it is 40 micron and it requires backwashing.

I think I posted it somewhere in this thread, but can't find it. In my opinion, it makes 0 reason to go for media filter. No matter how many layers you have, no PoE filter can give you drinking water, it's pre-filtration at best. Media filter only makes sense when you have a known, specific problem with your water you want to address, say your water has extremely high sulfate content, then you may need to have sulfate media filter.

Can you filter with carbon block outside? Yes, why not. But it is not necessary. Also, you will need to make sure your water tank is in good condition, since if no chlorine enters it, there could be alien life appearing (algae etc). Your pressure will drop, etc.


By the way!
After monitoring Lazada, local websites etc, I want to say to everyone do not trust description you see on Lazada/Lelong/Shopee or other local online shops.

Most people will copy information from each other and there is so much false information floating around. If you check Lazada, 3M AP902 somehow has carbon in it (FALSE), made in USA (FALSE). Aquasana is marketed as made in USA (FALSE again). I do not know if these are lies told to sell systems or just because sellers are ignorant and they assume if it's US company, then it is made in USA. AP902 is even shown to remove chlorine, heavy metals and bacteria BY VIRTUALLY EVERY SELLER, when all it is a sediment filter....

I wish I had more time to debunk those myths. Hope 1 day I will start doing it with my website/video blog. I don't mean all products are bad, not at all, just don't say that the filter can do what even manufacturer says it cannot do, cmon! (sorry, a bit frustrated with all these "little inaccurate listings" as one seller on Lazada replied to me when I challenged him).
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QUOTE(hestati @ May 3 2018, 12:11 AM)
You're a bit confused))

For outside, there are 2 types of filter, media and cartridge. All that you need outdoor is quality sediment filter. Cartridge filter can be as low as 1 micron, realistically 5 is good enough, 20 can work too if your water is very dirty. Media filter in theory can be 20 micron, reality it is 40 micron and it requires backwashing.

I think I posted it somewhere in this thread, but can't find it. In my opinion, it makes 0 reason to go for media filter. No matter how many layers you have, no PoE filter can give you drinking water, it's pre-filtration at best. Media filter only makes sense when you have a known, specific problem with your water you want to address, say your water has extremely high sulfate content, then you may need to have sulfate media filter.

Can you filter with carbon block outside? Yes, why not. But it is not necessary. Also, you will need to make sure your water tank is in good condition, since if no chlorine enters it, there could be alien life appearing (algae etc). Your pressure will drop, etc.
By the way!
After monitoring Lazada, local websites etc, I want to say to everyone do not trust description you see on Lazada/Lelong/Shopee or other local online shops.

Most people will copy information from each other and there is so much false information floating around. If you check Lazada, 3M AP902 somehow has carbon in it (FALSE), made in USA (FALSE). Aquasana is marketed as made in USA (FALSE again). I do not know if these are lies told to sell systems or just because sellers are ignorant and they assume if it's US company, then it is made in USA. AP902 is even shown to remove chlorine, heavy metals and bacteria BY VIRTUALLY EVERY SELLER, when all it is a sediment filter....

I wish I had more time to debunk those myths. Hope 1 day I will start doing it with my website/video blog. I don't mean all products are bad, not at all, just don't say that the filter can do what even manufacturer says it cannot do, cmon! (sorry, a bit frustrated with all these "little inaccurate listings" as one seller on Lazada replied to me when I challenged him).
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Thank you. 🙂

Any indoor filter cost less than rm500? I’m thinking to buy this Coway Genie SF Water Filtration System P-07IU. Anyone using this?

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/coway-ge...TvHTr5&search=1

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QUOTE(coca^cola @ May 3 2018, 06:12 PM)
Thank you. 🙂

Any indoor filter cost less than rm500? I’m thinking to buy this Coway Genie SF Water Filtration System P-07IU. Anyone using this?

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/coway-ge...TvHTr5&search=1
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Indoor can be any price, but it depends what you want it to filter. What is your goal? Pure and safe drinking water or just get rid of sand and chlorine smell and then boil that water?
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QUOTE(hestati @ May 3 2018, 07:01 PM)
Indoor can be any price, but it depends what you want it to filter. What is your goal? Pure and safe drinking water or just get rid of sand and chlorine smell and then boil that water?
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Clean water will do. Definitely will boil the water. I do not need alkaline water.
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QUOTE(coca^cola @ May 3 2018, 07:07 PM)
Clean water will do. Definitely will boil the water. I do not need alkaline water.
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Ok, best if you take a look at this table below. It is missing heavy metals (lead in particular). First 4 are able to remove lead, also some heavily modified carbon blocks can also remove lead.

Realistically, under 500RM you are looking at particulate+carbon block, everything else will be more expensive. So 2 Stage system, sediment+modified carbon block, fully NSF certified.

How urgent do you need it?

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QUOTE(coca^cola @ May 3 2018, 06:12 PM)
Thank you. 🙂

Any indoor filter cost less than rm500? I’m thinking to buy this Coway Genie SF Water Filtration System P-07IU. Anyone using this?

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/coway-ge...TvHTr5&search=1
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For this Coway, not recommended. This filter is sediment at best, but UF membrane cannot work alone, it needs a pre filter, it needs carbon block after. Otherwise it will get blocked quickly and the water will smell badly. And UF is not even washable. There are better options, much better in this price range.
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hi,
are those RM100+ water purifier good? i just need safer water and boil it.

how about those 1L/20sen water we can get from the vending machine. are those better than if i install a purifier?
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Wondering where is those amway seller? So quite already. Really wish they can debate with hestati.
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post May 4 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(coca^cola @ May 3 2018, 06:12 PM)
Thank you. 🙂

Any indoor filter cost less than rm500? I’m thinking to buy this Coway Genie SF Water Filtration System P-07IU. Anyone using this?

maybe around 600-800 range, you can do it with 3m and aquaphor. if there is a will there is a way biggrin.gif

aeiou228 correct or not? biggrin.gif

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maybe around 600-800 range, you can do it with 3m and aquaphor. if there is a will there is a way  biggrin.gif

aeiou228 correct or not?  biggrin.gif
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Easy to install? I can't drill or put under sink. Need to be above sink on table. Thank you
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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ May 4 2018, 08:58 AM)
Wondering where is those amway seller? So quite already. Really wish they can debate with hestati.
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Haha ! That's what I thought too tongue.gif Being waiting for the two of them to engage with hestati for a more intellectual debate but unfortunately they fizzled up in the thin air upon seeing hestati's posts.
C'mon Amway sellers, your RM4k espring really have no answer to hestati's RM1199 FD?

QUOTE(ar188 @ May 4 2018, 09:39 AM)
maybe around 600-800 range, you can do it with 3m and aquaphor. if there is a will there is a way  biggrin.gif

aeiou228 correct or not?  biggrin.gif
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Yes sir. Can start off with 3M CTM-01 first or just buy the 3M AP2 or AP3 filter head from Taobao. Perhaps you want to share the link of the 3M AP2 filter head that you bought? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ May 4 2018, 08:58 AM)
Wondering where is those amway seller? So quite already. Really wish they can debate with hestati.
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We did debate 20 pages ago. Amway, in fact, is not a bad system, if you put a pre filter it may even last. Amway could compete with Aquaphor and FD (good carbon block, UV, though class 1 only) if the price was around 1000RM. At current price it is 4x overpriced.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 4 2018, 11:54 AM)
Haha ! That's what I thought too tongue.gif Being waiting for the two of them to engage with hestati for a more intellectual debate but unfortunately they fizzled up in the thin air upon seeing hestati's posts.
C'mon Amway sellers, your RM4k espring really have no answer to hestati's RM1199 FD?
Yes sir. Can start off with 3M CTM-01 first or just buy the 3M AP2 or AP3 filter head from Taobao. Perhaps you want to share the link of the 3M AP2 filter head that you bought? biggrin.gif
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There will be soon Fresca Light and Fresca Mini to cover all the price ranges ))). And they will be all upgradable to higher model wink.gif

BTW, owners of 3M, Culligan etc, how interested would you be in USA/Canada made, quality replacement cartridges for your systems? They are NOT 3M branded, but are direct replacement and are cheaper. Guaranteed to be on par or outperform originals. Just checking.

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