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post Jan 6 2015, 09:11 AM, updated 11y ago

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2. MSI Afterburner 3.0.x Beta
3. ASUS GPU Tweak - Latest Beta
4. Sapphire TriXX 4.6.0

Softwares - Monitoring and Utility
1. GPU-Z 0.6.8
2. Display Driver Uninstaller a.k.a DDU


Softwares - Stress tools
1. OCCT 3.1 - Newer versions don't quite stress the card as much.
2. OCCT 4.3.2 - Latest build
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post Jan 6 2015, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 6 2015, 09:11 AM)
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Softwares - Monitoring,Tweaking and Overclocking
1. RadeonPro - Latest build - Radeon's Games Profiles Automation Tool
2. MSI Afterburner 3.0.x Beta
3. ASUS GPU Tweak - Latest Beta
4. Sapphire TriXX 4.6.0

Softwares - Monitoring and Utility
1. GPU-Z 0.6.8
2. Display Driver Uninstaller a.k.a DDU


Softwares - Stress tools
1. OCCT 3.1 - Newer versions don't quite stress the card as much.
2. OCCT 4.3.2 - Latest build
3. HWiNFO64 - Versatile monitoring tool

Softwares - Benchmark Tools
1. 3DMark - 2013
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3. Unigine - Valley
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BIOSes:
1) Reference 7970 to 7970 GHz
or if it's not working for you please try this:
2) Reference 7970 to 7970 GHz
If you want use this bios, you need use the 12.7 Beta driver or newer for get PTE and TurboBoost enabled as it contain the software algorythm needed

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Yay for V12! rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

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post Jan 6 2015, 09:31 AM

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post Jan 6 2015, 09:44 AM

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Minecrafter, you don't need to quote the whole 1st post!
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post Jan 6 2015, 01:02 PM

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Well, let's kickstart this thread with this news...

http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-r9-390x-zauba/

Another leak of the 390X? brows.gif

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post Jan 6 2015, 03:39 PM

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^ i have a hunch that it will still be 28nm.


Btw, any idea how to disable link parsing? Kind screw up the 1st post.
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post Jan 6 2015, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 6 2015, 03:39 PM)
^ i have a hunch that it will still be 28nm.
Btw, any idea how to disable link parsing? Kind screw up the 1st post.
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im waiting for the 20nm thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 6 2015, 01:02 PM)
Well, let's kickstart this thread with this news...


Another leak of the 390X?  brows.gif
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hopefully the power consumption is half of 290x.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 6 2015, 01:02 PM)
Well, let's kickstart this thread with this news...

http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-r9-390x-zauba/

Another leak of the 390X?  brows.gif
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Hope so.. drool.gif brows.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:45 AM

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post Jan 7 2015, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Jan 7 2015, 09:45 AM)
playing MGS:V on Maximum, Extra High everything

60 FPS

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Tried Ground Zero yet? tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2015, 08:48 AM

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That is the ground zero....

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post Jan 8 2015, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 6 2015, 01:02 PM)
Well, let's kickstart this thread with this news...

http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-r9-390x-zauba/

Another leak of the 390X?  brows.gif
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.. previous threads..
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post Jan 8 2015, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 6 2015, 03:39 PM)
^ i have a hunch that it will still be 28nm.
Btw, any idea how to disable link parsing? Kind screw up the 1st post.
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i dunno... i heard AMD close with Samsung 14NM.. and is coming on Summer2015

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab4dn1pry64

ad on: guy dunno who/what sis sandra benchmark.. i am noob.. i know about that software..

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post Jan 8 2015, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Jan 8 2015, 08:48 AM)
That is the ground zero....

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Oh sry, mistook it as Vengeance/Revengeance. doh.gif

QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 8 2015, 03:33 PM)
i dunno...  i heard AMD  close with Samsung 14NM..  and is coming on Summer2015

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab4dn1pry64

ad on: guy dunno who/what sis sandra benchmark.. i am noob.. i know about that software..
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Nah man.. 14nm in 2016.
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post Jan 9 2015, 07:27 PM

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hi hehe... wanna ask the owners of sapphire r9 290 tri-x,
what's ur idle and load temperature of the card?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 9 2015, 07:27 PM)
hi hehe... wanna ask the owners of sapphire r9 290 tri-x,
what's ur idle and load temperature of the card?
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ambient temp 33C no aircon
idle ~46C
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http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/monste...k_download.html

check out new Benchmark.. WARNING Favour NVIDIA gpu..
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Guys , how's this card? Any issue with this card? If there's any problem do I have to send it back to power color? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 9 2015, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(CwwKiT @ Jan 9 2015, 09:09 PM)
Guys , how's this card? Any issue with this card? If there's any problem do I have to send it back to power color? icon_rolleyes.gif
HD 6950
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 9 2015, 08:03 PM)
ambient temp 33C no aircon
idle ~46C
load ~77C
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oo... u running on default setting? hehe
mine is about like that too, load differs from game to game, i wonder why . haha
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AMD Freesync Hands-on with BenQ, Samsung & LG Monitors - CES 2015

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WOW RM 2.7K for R9 295X2 WHY in Malaysia Seller soo mon moon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814202108


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post Jan 11 2015, 01:18 AM

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Hi, wanna ask for opinion,
is it okay to install thermal pads on the back of my r9 290?
i want to install thermal pads between the PCB and my aluminium backplate for my r9 290.. is this okay? if yes, anyone has experience with this?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 11 2015, 01:18 AM)
Hi, wanna ask for opinion,
is it okay to install thermal pads on the back of my r9 290?
i want to install thermal pads between the PCB and my aluminium backplate for my r9 290.. is this okay? if yes, anyone has experience with this?
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hm i use that to improve my Notebook cpu/gpu cooling.. but no exp with Desktop gpu.. it should not be a problem as main purpose it to transfer Heat
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 11 2015, 09:55 PM)
hm i use that to improve my Notebook cpu/gpu cooling.. but no exp with  Desktop gpu.. it should not be a problem as main purpose it to transfer Heat
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what type of thermal pad shud i get ah? sweat.gif really no exp at all
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 11 2015, 01:18 AM)
Hi, wanna ask for opinion,
is it okay to install thermal pads on the back of my r9 290?
i want to install thermal pads between the PCB and my aluminium backplate for my r9 290.. is this okay? if yes, anyone has experience with this?
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here, try checking this video. though its a different card :/

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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 11 2015, 01:18 AM)
Hi, wanna ask for opinion,
is it okay to install thermal pads on the back of my r9 290?
i want to install thermal pads between the PCB and my aluminium backplate for my r9 290.. is this okay? if yes, anyone has experience with this?
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My case example, I'm using EK waterblock together with EK aluminum back plate which come with thermal pad, there are 2 locations to put the thermal pad between the back of PCB and back plate, the backside of GPU core and vrm, these 2 components are generating heat of the graphic card.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 11 2015, 11:54 PM)
here, try checking this video. though its a different card :/

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wow thanks, i'll watch that brows.gif


QUOTE(llk @ Jan 12 2015, 12:53 AM)
My case example, I'm using EK waterblock together with EK aluminum back plate which come with thermal pad, there are 2 locations to put the thermal pad between the back of PCB and back plate, the backside of GPU core and vrm, these 2 components are generating heat of the graphic card.
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oo, i think i'll only be putting thermal pads on vrm since my core is not covered by the backplate.. thanks for the input brows.gif


Edit:

hi guys, so this the back of my r9 290 tri-x http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//s...-SAPPHIRE-6.jpg
the place where I should put thermal pads is on the back of these vrm right? http://cdn.overclock.net/4/44/900x900px-LL...9172b_cool.jpeg

the vrm looks like those soldered parts on the back?

And do thermal pads size matters? or i can just buy a large pad and cut them using x-acto knife?

This post has been edited by xFreedomBoix: Jan 12 2015, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 12 2015, 01:05 AM)
wow thanks, i'll watch that brows.gif
oo, i think i'll only be putting thermal pads on vrm since my core is not covered by the backplate.. thanks for the input brows.gif
Edit:

hi guys, so this the back of my r9 290 tri-x http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//s...-SAPPHIRE-6.jpg
the place where I should put thermal pads is on the back of these vrm right? http://cdn.overclock.net/4/44/900x900px-LL...9172b_cool.jpeg

the vrm looks like those soldered parts on the back?

And do thermal pads size matters? or i can just buy a large pad and cut them using x-acto knife?
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U need to stick backside of no 2, 2cm width will do
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 11 2015, 10:10 PM)
what type of thermal pad shud i get ah? sweat.gif really no exp at all
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/739435

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 10 2015, 05:15 PM)
WOW RM 2.7K for R9 295X2  WHY in Malaysia Seller soo mon moon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814202108
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because our vendors not covered in consumer laws doh.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 12 2015, 11:29 AM)
because our vendors not covered in consumer laws doh.gif  shakehead.gif
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http://www.kkmm.gov.my/akta_kpkk/Consumer%20Protection.pdf

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 12 2015, 09:39 AM)
U need to stick backside of no 2, 2cm width will do
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How about no 1?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 12 2015, 12:04 PM)
How about no 1?
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No are vram, usually no much heat, front heatsink is good enough
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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 12 2015, 01:51 PM)
No are vram, usually no much heat, front heatsink is good enough
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but its okay to put on the back of it right? hehe i have a feeling i will have a lot extra thermal pads..
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Jan 12 2015, 02:37 PM)
but its okay to put on the back of it right? hehe i have a feeling i will have a lot extra thermal pads..
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No harms to put at back side if u have extra thermal pad smile.gif
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my PowerColor 6950 recently died, lol biggrin.gif

anyways, any game we can really test MANTLE and see the difference?
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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Jan 13 2015, 06:58 PM)
my PowerColor 6950 recently died, lol biggrin.gif

anyways, any game we can really test MANTLE and see the difference?
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i thought ur using R9 280X ?

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try Dragon Age Inquisition and Enable built in DebugCommand FPS.. / or Theif both support AMD MAntle and Mantle Crossfire
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my post was in response to someone who was asking about 6950

yes im using R9 280x

im testing Sniper Elite3, with Mantle but dont see the difference... Dragon Age?
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 6 2015, 06:18 PM)
im waiting for the 20nm  thumbup.gif
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no 20nm gpu for 2015. Probably ever. They may skip to different node.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 6 2015, 01:02 PM)
Well, let's kickstart this thread with this news...

http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-r9-390x-zauba/

Another leak of the 390X?  brows.gif
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New leaked suggested the FIJI will be 300W TDP. If its true, it's so obvious it will be 28nm. The TDP is just shocking.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 13 2015, 09:19 PM)
New leaked suggested the FIJI will be 300W TDP.  If its true, it's so obvious it will be 28nm.  The TDP is just  shocking.gif
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Cili Sos mana? icon_idea.gif

Update: found it, and it doesn't look like good news for me... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 13 2015, 09:09 PM)
no 20nm gpu for 2015. Probably ever.  They may skip to different node.
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Maybe they'll wait for the yield to get better. I don't think they'll skip to 16nm like Nvidia did.

QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 13 2015, 09:19 PM)
New leaked suggested the FIJI will be 300W TDP.  If its true, it's so obvious it will be 28nm.  The TDP is just  shocking.gif
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Not surprising since I posted in previous thread that AMD taped out 2 GPU chips mid last year. One is 260+mm² and another one is a behemoth >500mm² chip. Tonga is the former and 250w Hawaii is 430mm².
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hmm was hoping for 20NM with HBM memory eh.. i guess is too much to ask.. sad.gif AMD R9 390x...

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i dun want to believe this rumor... lolx but i can't accept only good rumor, must accept both.

http://wccftech.com/amd-taped-radeon-r9-38...5d-hbm-gpu-soc/

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Sniper Elite 3

looks like with Mantle , got a slight improvement like all the websites reported.. about 11%
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

with Mantle

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

with Directx11

VSYNC ON

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 13 2015, 09:19 PM)
New leaked suggested the FIJI will be 300W TDP.  If its true, it's so obvious it will be 28nm.  The TDP is just  shocking.gif
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Well,i guess 28nm..But the TDP.. shocking.gif shocking.gif
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300W ? pff nothing i can put 3 of that in my rig... too bad not enough space for Tri-crossfire...

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 13 2015, 09:19 PM)
New leaked suggested the FIJI will be 300W TDP.  If its true, it's so obvious it will be 28nm.  The TDP is just  shocking.gif
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thats how real man should run their card!! brows.gif i want lambo not prius.. bigger number more powarrrrr!! rclxm9.gif
btw its only 10w greater than 290x.. easy pizzy mizzy
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post Jan 15 2015, 10:36 AM

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300w is nothing. The most important thing is they are able to cool it down.

I Oced my 290 and it can pull over 300w also no problem running all day also.
Even OCed GTX 980 can pull alot of watts too. In gaming GTX 980 uses less power, but in CUDA apps even stock third party cards can be near 300w too

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In gaming the GTX 980 only uses around 180w.

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In CUDA or OPENCL, the power consumption of the third party card is 280w! Reference GTX 980 has lower wattage limit and it ran at 180 watt. Still both higher than the 165w TDP claimed by Nvidia.

Source http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...ll,3941-12.html

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This is reference GTX 980 which has lower wattage limit. Under Nvidia's own 25% OC pushing the core to 1377Mhz, mem to 1466Mhz, max boost to 1515Mhz under the same voltage. The GTX 980 uses slightly more power than reference R9 290X. Now 25% more for 165w of the GTX 980 should be 206w, but why does a 206w card now uses more power than R9 290X which is claimed to be 250w - 300w TDP card? The card here is for the reference card, third party GTX 980 will be chugging power just like r9 290 series once you try to overclock them.
Nvidia's TDP figures is questionable while AMD's TDP figures is exaggerated.
Source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-...x-980-review/22

For those people who think they can run GTX 980 and GTX 970 with small PSU, they better be careful lol, especially if they get curious and try to overclock the card. They will face problems too if they try to run CUDA apps with small PSU.

The bottom line is, 300w is nothing.

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am i in Nvidia threads ? lolx... feel a bit green.. tongue.gif
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wondering on AnandTech site Gpu2014 benchmark.. WHAT model R9 290/290X they using ?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 15 2015, 11:29 AM)
am i in Nvidia threads ? lolx...  feel a bit green.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 15 2015, 09:23 PM)
wondering on AnandTech site Gpu2014 benchmark.. WHAT model R9 290/290X they using  ?
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU14/852
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 15 2015, 10:16 PM)
Usually reference unless stated.
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hmm.gif watercool ? cause on MetroLL 1080p Very High R9 290X on bench Anandatech got 76 FPS(i wonder is it on Max or Average?).. i manage get 55+Average... and is on VaporX but Temp under 60C..
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 15 2015, 11:39 PM)
hmm.gif  watercool ? cause on MetroLL 1080p Very High R9 290X on bench Anandatech got 76 FPS(i wonder is it on Max or Average?)..  i manage get 55+Average... and is on VaporX but Temp under 60C..
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Nope, reference. Maybe AA turn off, not sure since i don't have MetroLL to test.

Meanwhile, TSMC’s 16nm FinFET Faces Major Delay – Qualcomm Jumps Ship To Samsung

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Goldfries review use this setting and get similar score to Anandtech's result. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 15 2015, 10:36 AM)
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i think the issue is what cooling solution will AMD employ to cool it

R9 290X reference cooler is horrible. unless they make the jump to something like R9 295X or those ASUS,Giga, MSI etc coolers, 300W is pretty massive hurdle to maintain best clock performance
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So they are taking the 'go big, or go home' strategy? hmm.gif
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If my PSU cannot take the power, can I install another PSU with different wattage and power the GPU?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 16 2015, 09:54 AM)
If my PSU cannot take the power, can I install another PSU with different wattage and power the GPU?
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can but very troublesome since you need to power the gpu's psu first with another added switch or pin and then only can turn on the other psu...
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 16 2015, 09:58 AM)
can but very troublesome since you need to power the gpu's psu first with another added switch or pin and then only can turn on the other psu...
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Ok, that can be done.

I want to ask. If let's say a R7 240. It is 50W GPU without the need of 6 pin PSU connector.

I have A68N-5000 board with AMD A4-5000. The TDP also around 30W.

Total power tdp = 50W + 30W = 80W.

Will it work with 150W PSU running at 78% efficiency?

I saw 4 PIN connector on the board which I assume is powering the PCI-E 4X lane?

I believe its quite dangerous because TDP above does not assume MAX TDP when both CPU and GPU is 100% loaded.

So my question is, will it be more safe to run a GPU like AMD R9 280X with 2nd PSU 6 pin power?

Please help me choose:-

1) A68N-5000 + R7 240 with 150W PSU
2) A68N-5000 + R9 280X with 150W PSU + 2nd 400W PSU (R9 280X is just example. I will use lower end GPU of course lol)
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 16 2015, 10:36 AM)
Ok, that can be done.

I want to ask. If let's say a R7 240. It is 50W GPU without the need of 6 pin PSU connector.

I have A68N-5000 board with AMD A4-5000. The TDP also around 30W.

Total power tdp = 50W + 30W = 80W.

Will it work with 150W PSU running at 78% efficiency?

I saw 4 PIN connector on the board which I assume is powering the PCI-E 4X lane?

I believe its quite dangerous because TDP above does not assume MAX TDP when both CPU and GPU is 100% loaded.

So my question is, will it be more safe to run a GPU like AMD R9 280X with 2nd PSU 6 pin power?

Please help me choose:-

1) A68N-5000 + R7 240 with 150W PSU
2) A68N-5000 + R9 280X with 150W PSU + 2nd 400W PSU (R9 280X is just example. I will use lower end GPU of course lol)
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Quality PSU can put out the rated wattage without regard to which rail.
For example my Seasonic X-850 can put out 850 watts just on the 12V rails. 150W PSU with 78% efficiency doesn't mean it can only put out 117W power, but means they can put out 150W to computer's components but pulls 192W from the wall socket.
If I have to choose better run one PSU only. Good 450-550W PSU is cheap now.

Cheap PSU are rated differently and usually combined wattage of 3.3V, 5V and 12V. The 12 V rails is probably alot less wattage than rated.

It's better to get higher wattage PSU because PSU degrades over time. Also the components that are rated as 30W, 50W is the average power consumption, the power consumption is actually goes up and down very fast in miliseconds. The peak power usage may go over the amount and the PSU may not be able to handle it.
I faced the same problem when I was using my old Cooler Master Extreme 2 625, it can only supply ATX rated power until 480W, and after 1 year of usage my computer always crashes even when the GPU was idling. Then I switched to Seasonic and very stable now.
I put the Cooler Master PSU on AMD II X4 635 + HD5830 and it's running fine.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 16 2015, 10:55 AM)
Quality PSU can put out the rated wattage without regard to which rail.
For example my Seasonic X-850 can put out 850 watts just on the 12V rails. 150W PSU with 78% efficiency doesn't mean it can only put out 117W power, but means they can put out 150W to computer's components but pulls 192W from the wall socket.
If I have to choose better run one PSU only. Good 450-550W PSU is cheap now.

Cheap PSU are rated differently and usually combined wattage of 3.3V, 5V and 12V. The 12 V rails is probably alot less wattage than rated.

It's better to get higher wattage PSU because PSU degrades over time. Also the components that are rated as 30W, 50W is the average power consumption, the power consumption is actually goes up and down very fast in miliseconds. The peak power usage may go over the amount and the PSU may not be able to handle it.
I faced the same problem when I was using my old Cooler Master Extreme 2 625, it can only supply ATX rated power until 480W, and after 1 year of usage my computer always crashes even when the GPU was idling. Then I switched to Seasonic and very stable now.
I put the Cooler Master PSU on AMD II X4 635 + HD5830 and it's running fine.
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Thanks for explaning the rating.

Actually my problem is I'm running HTPC and I have Flex PSU by FSP installed. I think FSP is ok brand.

Since it is HTPC, I can't really install SFX PSU with 450W rating. I can probably get a 200W Flex PSU but it is still not enough. Or maybe I can get a 200W Pico PSU running together with my Flex 150W PSU with total 350W. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 16 2015, 03:42 AM)
Nope, reference. Maybe AA turn off, not sure since i don't have MetroLL to test.

Meanwhile, TSMC’s 16nm FinFET Faces Major Delay – Qualcomm Jumps Ship To Samsung

--Edit--
Goldfries review use this setting and get similar score to Anandtech's result.  hmm.gif
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with that setting i got same average fps when i set Tesselation Very high... suspicious? yes it is... ONLY time i get 62 Fps when i set Tesselation OFF then i get Average FPS improve.. but far off from their score.. how hell they able to get 76.6 FPS on reference.. is mystery.. they should show their Metro LL setting... hmm.gif shakehead.gif
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so this what r9 390/ 390X looks...

http://videocardz.com/amd/radeon-rx-300/radeon-r9-390x
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 16 2015, 07:36 PM)
I hope that is not the real specifications. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 17 2015, 01:02 AM)
I hope that is not the real specifications. laugh.gif
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I think they got the specs somewhere from random sites. laugh.gif
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dont feed the rumours yoh laugh.gif laugh.gif
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sad.gif eh so check my bank got bonus... end this week got pay.. and 9th feb get pay... (early cause of china new year) ... so... AMD R9 3XX WHERE ARE YOU!!!! cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 18 2015, 01:01 PM)
sad.gif eh so check my bank got bonus... end this week got pay.. and 9th feb get pay... (early cause of china new year) ... so...  AMD R9 3XX WHERE ARE YOU!!!!  cry.gif  cry.gif
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boss worth selling gtx 970 and get AMD R9 3xx series instead drool.gif ?


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Guys, help meeee
i got BSoD, and i saw 'atikmpag.sys'
seems like GPU related, help me

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 18 2015, 01:38 PM)
boss worth selling gtx 970 and get AMD R9 3xx series instead  drool.gif  ?
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eh.. you want me to answer you with my AMD R9 Fan brain or Fair/logic brain.. ? lolx
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you just buy your Gpu.. GTX 970 is best bang Money/Performance Faster than GTX 780/R9 290 and make no sense to go R9 3XX when is not yet out the performance data not yet clear.. bett be happy with what you got.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Jan 18 2015, 02:08 PM)
Guys, help meeee
i got BSoD, and i saw 'atikmpag.sys'
seems like GPU related, help me

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are u having issues going to window ? what win ? when this happen what your doing e.g. game or watching youtube ? what version AMD CCC driver ?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 18 2015, 02:34 PM)
are u having issues going to window ?  what win ? when this happen what your doing e.g. game or watching youtube ?   what version AMD CCC driver ?
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i able to go into windows, mine windows 7 64bit
it usually occur during gaming, sometimes browsing.
i'm using the latest OMEGA driver.

p/s: no OC on mboard, neither GPU.

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Jan 18 2015, 04:02 PM)
i able to go into windows, mine windows 7 64bit
it usually occur during gaming, sometimes browsing.
i'm using the latest OMEGA driver.

p/s: no OC on mboard, neither GPU.
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download latest DDU use recommended setting, (remove driver in safe mode) downloand new from internet Omega driver install again . i suspect a driver corruption.. good luck
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QUOTE(matni01 @ Jan 18 2015, 02:08 PM)
Guys, help meeee
i got BSoD, and i saw 'atikmpag.sys'
seems like GPU related, help me

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whats your gpu?
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 18 2015, 11:04 PM)
whats your gpu?
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my GPU is Sapphire R9 270x Dual-X 2GB
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Another day, another leak? brows.gif

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-300-gpu-...chmarks-leaked/


Note: may be fake - the score is pretty much unheard of for a single GPU.. shocking.gif

Though Chiphell can be pretty accurate in terms of rumors... sweat.gif
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Anyone interested on a RM1200 290X Lightning? brows.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3341641&hl=
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 19 2015, 06:11 AM)
Another day, another leak?  brows.gif

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-300-gpu-...chmarks-leaked/
Note: may be fake - the score is pretty much unheard of for a single GPU.. shocking.gif

Though Chiphell can be pretty accurate in terms of rumors... sweat.gif
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I take that with truckload of salt. laugh.gif Remember the leaked X7000+ 3DMark11 score for GTX Titan before it release?
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 19 2015, 09:40 AM)
Anyone interested on a RM1200 290X Lightning? brows.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3341641&hl=
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Can't believe the price change so much after 10 months :|
Last time I bought the card for RM1.5k and it was considered a good deal for me already.

QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 16 2015, 08:36 PM)
It looks kinda ugly imo sweat.gif
And what's with the two holes at the side?

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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Jan 19 2015, 10:23 AM)
It looks kinda ugly imo  sweat.gif
And what's with the two holes at the side?
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I just hope it will light up like the 295x2. laugh.gif
That's for the AIO tube.
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QUOTE(Yagami5159 @ Jan 19 2015, 10:23 AM)

It looks kinda ugly imo  sweat.gif
And what's with the two holes at the side?
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mad.gif how dare you call my future gpu uglY! by the way is know to be RED BEAST! not cute kitten...

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-300-gpu-...chmarks-leaked/
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here is the follow up of the unconfirm rumours... tongue.gif

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1222269-1-1.html

the score is : 8907...
That card is an engineering sample of MSI AMD 8GB video card.

more details on post #14.


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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 19 2015, 06:07 PM)
here is the follow up of the unconfirm rumours... tongue.gif

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1222269-1-1.html

the score is : 8907...
That card is an engineering sample of MSI AMD 8GB video card.

more details on post #14.
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so does that means its a fake benchmark? vmad.gif
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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 19 2015, 07:53 PM)
so does that means its a fake benchmark? vmad.gif
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 19 2015, 06:07 PM)
here is the follow up of the unconfirm rumours... tongue.gif

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1222269-1-1.html

the score is : 8907...
That card is an engineering sample of MSI AMD 8GB video card.

more details on post #14.
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eh i dun read chin chau chin chau please show me what it say ? sad.gif

update : i just use google translate.. i still no clue what up ? so is a false result(obviously) r9 290 crX ? hmm but why low. eh blink.gif

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How nice if I have 500 million. I'll throw the whole chunk at AMD, buy shares, then demand that they give me 3 pure unlocked engineering gold 390X samples and laugh At everyone else's pitiful benchmark numbers. Then do it again with every new card.

But t'was all but a dream. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Jan 20 2015, 01:32 AM)
How nice if I have 500 million. I'll throw the whole chunk at AMD, buy shares, then demand that they give me 3 pure unlocked engineering gold 390X samples and laugh At everyone else's pitiful benchmark numbers. Then do it again with every new card.

But t'was all but a dream. cry.gif
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tabuli ni maciam, must bersyukur 290X still pretty oomph even vs GTX980 nod.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 20 2015, 03:59 AM)
tabuli ni maciam, must bersyukur 290X still pretty oomph even vs GTX980 nod.gif
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Especially with that MSI 290X Lightning... brows.gif

RM1239 at TechView.... brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Jan 20 2015, 01:32 AM)
How nice if I have 500 million. I'll throw the whole chunk at AMD, buy shares, then demand that they give me 3 pure unlocked engineering gold 390X samples and laugh At everyone else's pitiful benchmark numbers. Then do it again with every new card.

But t'was all but a dream. cry.gif
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hmm.gif sound reasonable... and if you manage to get that 500 million and invest towards AMD... please hook me up witth the golden unlock 390X... blush.gif oh i need 2 of them to crossfirex
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 20 2015, 03:59 AM)
tabuli ni maciam, must bersyukur 290X still pretty oomph even vs GTX980 nod.gif
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sorry... but only improvement i see on GTX 980 is their lower TDP and ability to Boost Clock Core to 1.4Ghz + and with enhancement of Nvidia Driver... i still think GTX 780 TI/ GTX Titan Black a King of Hill (single GPU) whistling.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 20 2015, 03:59 AM)
tabuli ni maciam, must bersyukur 290X still pretty oomph even vs GTX980 nod.gif
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Syukur for 2-3 more months only. Once Ti version plus 390X comes out, that itch scratch all day also kennot go away edi.


QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 20 2015, 08:21 AM)
Especially with that MSI 290X Lightning... brows.gif

RM1239 at TechView.... brows.gif brows.gif
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You shaddup. I pay 1.4K for reference a year ago also happy kao kao edi. Now lightning card also cheaper. I wanna cry.

Only thing keeping me happy is the 50c load temps. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Jan 20 2015, 01:32 AM)
How nice if I have 500 million. I'll throw the whole chunk at AMD, buy shares, then demand that they give me 3 pure unlocked engineering gold 390X samples and laugh At everyone else's pitiful benchmark numbers. Then do it again with every new card.

But t'was all but a dream. cry.gif
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Make that 4 pure unlocked engineered gold 390Xs..gimme one. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Jan 20 2015, 05:20 PM)
Syukur for 2-3 more months only. Once Ti version plus 390X comes out, that itch scratch all day also kennot go away edi.
You shaddup. I pay 1.4K for reference a year ago also happy kao kao edi. Now lightning card also cheaper. I wanna cry.

Only thing keeping me happy is the 50c load temps.  sweat.gif
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Well,if only you can read the future.you might've gone for the R9 295X2.. whistling.gif biggrin.gif
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AMD Radeon R9 380X expected to be launched in Q2 2015 well guess is after GST
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Jan 20 2015, 05:20 PM)
Syukur for 2-3 more months only. Once Ti version plus 390X comes out, that itch scratch all day also kennot go away edi.
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eh, decided to follow GPU upgrade trend dee?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 20 2015, 09:20 PM)
eh, decided to follow GPU upgrade trend dee?
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Guys,

Have you ever experience your r9 290 fan limits its fan speed? Mine only run at 1070rpm max. This will cause the core to declock from 947mhz to about 300mhz at94 degree C temp.

I have tried with afterburner... Flash performance bios, switch to uber, enable overdrive... And etc.

This gc of mine seem defected with maximum fan speed at 1070 rpm.

I know the fan can spin up to 2650rpm at max. When booting, I can hear the fan spin at higher rpm but when doing uningine test, or playing game, it's just not responding to the increases of temp.
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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jan 21 2015, 07:09 AM)
Guys,

Have you ever experience your r9 290 fan limits its fan speed? Mine only run at 1070rpm max. This will cause the core to declock from 947mhz to about 300mhz at94 degree C temp.

I have tried with afterburner... Flash performance bios, switch to uber, enable overdrive... And etc.

This gc of mine seem defected with maximum fan speed at 1070 rpm.

I know the fan can spin up to 2650rpm at max. When booting, I can hear the fan spin at higher rpm but when doing uningine test, or playing game, it's just not responding to the increases of temp.
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Did you try third party software such as Sapphire Trixx or MSI Afterburner to adjust the fan speed?
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so R9 380X will be out on Q2 2015... and is 45% faster R9 290X... sad.gif

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/amd-rad...5-launch/22803/
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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jan 21 2015, 07:09 AM)
Guys,

Have you ever experience your r9 290 fan limits its fan speed? Mine only run at 1070rpm max. This will cause the core to declock from 947mhz to about 300mhz at94 degree C temp.

I have tried with afterburner... Flash performance bios, switch to uber, enable overdrive... And etc.

This gc of mine seem defected with maximum fan speed at 1070 rpm.

I know the fan can spin up to 2650rpm at max. When booting, I can hear the fan spin at higher rpm but when doing uningine test, or playing game, it's just not responding to the increases of temp.
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Set your fan mode to maximum and do the benchmark tests again, try furmark and see . Wow the temp reaches 94c blink.gif , is your card the reference version?
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You're referring to?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 21 2015, 07:42 PM)
so R9 380X will be out on Q2 2015... and is 45% faster R9 290X...  sad.gif 

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/amd-rad...5-launch/22803/
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Any idea how much it will sell for? I've been looking for an upgrade for my 7850 and as an AMD fanboy, its natural that I'll be looking for and AMD card. But right now nothing beats the GTX970 for my budget and I wonder if it is worth the wait.

Whild the TDP is not really an issue for me, I have only 2 slots to fit in the card since I got a PCIe sound card. And right now most 290x will occupy more than 2 slots.

Judging from the allegedly leaked 300 series benchmarks, it seems that the TDP is quite low and by right a 2 slot cooler should be enough.

Then again, it will only ship out in Q2, I don't know if I can wait that long and I don't know it will be justified since I have no plans to go beyond 1080p 60Hz gaming.

Any thoughts?
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 09:47 AM)
Any idea how much it will sell for? I've been looking for an upgrade for my 7850 and as an AMD fanboy, its natural that I'll be looking for and AMD card. But right now nothing beats the GTX970 for my budget and I wonder if it is worth the wait.

Whild the TDP is not really an issue for me, I have only 2 slots to fit in the card since I got a PCIe sound card. And right now most 290x will occupy more than 2 slots.

Judging from the allegedly leaked 300 series benchmarks, it seems that the TDP is quite low and by right a 2 slot cooler should be enough.

Then again, it will only ship out in Q2, I don't know if I can wait that long and I don't know it will be justified since I have no plans to go beyond 1080p 60Hz gaming.

Any thoughts?
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i think the price will be a slightly lower than the price of gtx 980/970.. thats what amd always did with its previous cards. i suggest you wait a little bit more for the new amd cards.. trust me it is worth it. Or if you still wanna upgrade now, and TDP is not your prob, look for r9 290x lightning.. its totally beat gtx970 and the price right now really nice around rm1.2k++.. eh you using matx board? hmm.gif standard atx board shoud be no prob to fit 3-slotted card with a sound card..
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I am using this mobo:

http://www.gigabyte.my/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4491#ov

I don't remember it quite clearly but I remember that the sound card is so close to the GPU and don't think anything thicker than 2 slot cooler can fit.

But I will check it once I get home.
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
I am using this mobo:

http://www.gigabyte.my/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4491#ov

I don't remember it quite clearly but I remember that the sound card is so close to the GPU and don't think anything thicker than 2 slot cooler can fit.

But I will check it once I get home.
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Depends on your sound card, if yours is Asus Xonar DX like mine which uses PCIE, you can move the card to the bottom slot. But if use PCI then yeah you don't have much space to work with.
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
I am using this mobo:

http://www.gigabyte.my/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4491#ov

I don't remember it quite clearly but I remember that the sound card is so close to the GPU and don't think anything thicker than 2 slot cooler can fit.

But I will check it once I get home.
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your mobo have 4 pcie slot.. the top one will be used for 3 slotted gpu and the last one can be use for your sound card. its going to be a bit tight but it should fit. dont worry about the temp, sound card is not big and also generate small heat so it will not suffocate the gpu.

and also you can try put in you sound card in the last two pci slot of your mobo.. someone told me before that pcie x2/x1 card such as network or sound card can be use with old pci slot.. not sure its true or not.. haven't tried myself.
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So you guys are saying that my PCIe sound card can be fitted into the PCIe slot meant for GPU? I never tried that..
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 11:44 AM)
So you guys are saying that my PCIe sound card can be fitted into the PCIe slot meant for GPU? I never tried that..
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yeah your pcie sound card can be fitted into the 'long' pcie slot no problem.. pcie x1/x2/x4 card can be fit into the pcie x16 slot for sure.

edit: but of course this will sacrifice your option to put 2nd gpu into the rig

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
I am using this mobo:

http://www.gigabyte.my/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4491#ov

I don't remember it quite clearly but I remember that the sound card is so close to the GPU and don't think anything thicker than 2 slot cooler can fit.

But I will check it once I get home.
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Some high performance coolers for 290/290X only uses 2 slot like the Sapphire Tri-X
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Hi all, I'm currently a single HD 7870 user and a previous HD7870 Crossfire user (Asus + sapphire, Asus 7870 died a few months ago). I would like to upgrade my GPU before our grand GST arrive.

Would 290X lightning still be a viable choice? since the competitor green camp been quite aggressive lately.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 22 2015, 09:24 PM)
Hi all, I'm currently a single HD 7870 user and a previous HD7870 Crossfire user (Asus + sapphire, Asus 7870 died a few months ago). I would like to upgrade my GPU before our grand GST arrive.

Would 290X lightning still be a viable choice? since the competitor green camp been quite aggressive lately.
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 22 2015, 09:47 AM)
Any idea how much it will sell for? I've been looking for an upgrade for my 7850 and as an AMD fanboy, its natural that I'll be looking for and AMD card. But right now nothing beats the GTX970 for my budget and I wonder if it is worth the wait.

Whild the TDP is not really an issue for me, I have only 2 slots to fit in the card since I got a PCIe sound card. And right now most 290x will occupy more than 2 slots.

Judging from the allegedly leaked 300 series benchmarks, it seems that the TDP is quite low and by right a 2 slot cooler should be enough.

Then again, it will only ship out in Q2, I don't know if I can wait that long and I don't know it will be justified since I have no plans to go beyond 1080p 60Hz gaming.

Any thoughts?
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PRice R9 380X .. to be honest i think is going to be higher than GTX 970 Why i say so Cause the Cooling Hybrid.. than cost surely be a bit higher than normal.. ANd when Gpu been call "kinF of The Hill" or something sound like suppose to be AMD first Flagship and it suppose to counter GTX 970/980 in performance... and i dun recommend Hybrid cooling.. need more space for GPU AIO Cooling (apply only too ppl with small/medium case and average joe gamer)

Good your not be dumb play by the Low TDP... hahaha.. seriously.. both R9 290X GTX 980 ON LOAD both running 350-390 Watts.. Monthly bill barely see the effect..
check out review show Load TDP... see not much different Load TDP..

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6816/asus...index16.html
(note : look at power consumption) way they test is very accurate as it direct power measurement from main socket power draw.. hmm.gif (PROVA Power Analyzer WM-01)
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UPDATE : well wait end of Febuary.. 2015 hmm biggrin.gif maybe out next month.. haha i dunno... R9 380X

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 23 2015, 12:44 AM)
UPDATE : well wait end of Febuary.. 2015 hmm  biggrin.gif  maybe out next month.. haha i dunno... R9 380X
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More like April at the earliest, Lisa Su confirmed a new card will come on Q2 this year just we don't know which 1 will drop first.

Sauce: AMD CEO Confirms Graphics Refresh Coming in Q2 2015 – Rx 300 Series
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More like April at the earliest, Lisa Su confirmed a new card will come on Q2 this year just we don't know which 1 will drop first.

Sauce: AMD CEO Confirms Graphics Refresh Coming in Q2 2015 – Rx 300 Series
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 22 2015, 11:50 PM)
Can't go wrong with the Lightning if you can still get it around 1.2k-1.3k, what's your PSU though?
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Sad fact my current PSU are 620W Cooler Master Silent Pro M2, and it most probably not sufficient to support 290X lightning beast. Planning to buy 850W PSU from either Cooler Master, Seasonic or Silverstone. The most thing i need to consider it 290X + PSU are roughly at GTX 980 price, this make me as the long time ATI/AMD card user feel a bit in dilemma.

My options are as below:

1. 290X Lightning + Cooler Master V1000 = 1299+649=1948
2. 290X Lightning + Seasonic X1050 = 1299+795=2094
3. GTX 980 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 2299
4. GTX 980 (Leadtek) = 1999
5. GTX 970 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 1499
6. Sapphire 290X 8GB + CM V1000 = 1699+649 = 2348

Another enquiry, do you think the 8GB VRAM worth the price premium?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 11:44 AM)
Sad fact my current PSU are 620W Cooler Master Silent Pro M2, and it most probably not sufficient to support 290X lightning beast. Planning to buy 850W PSU from either Cooler Master, Seasonic or Silverstone. The most thing i need to consider it 290X + PSU are roughly at GTX 980 price, this make me as the long time ATI/AMD card user feel a bit in dilemma.

My options are as below:

1. 290X Lightning + Cooler Master V1000 = 1299+649=1948
2. 290X Lightning + Seasonic X1050 = 1299+795=2094
3. GTX 980 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 2299
4. GTX 980 (Leadtek) = 1999
5. GTX 970 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 1499
6. Sapphire 290X 8GB + CM V1000 = 1699+649 = 2348

Another enquiry, do you think the 8GB VRAM worth the price premium?
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Are you going to overclock this beast? brows.gif
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Are you going to overclock this beast? brows.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 11:44 AM)
Sad fact my current PSU are 620W Cooler Master Silent Pro M2, and it most probably not sufficient to support 290X lightning beast. Planning to buy 850W PSU from either Cooler Master, Seasonic or Silverstone. The most thing i need to consider it 290X + PSU are roughly at GTX 980 price, this make me as the long time ATI/AMD card user feel a bit in dilemma.

My options are as below:

1. 290X Lightning + Cooler Master V1000 = 1299+649=1948
2. 290X Lightning + Seasonic X1050 = 1299+795=2094
3. GTX 980 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 2299
4. GTX 980 (Leadtek) = 1999
5. GTX 970 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 1499
6. Sapphire 290X 8GB + CM V1000 = 1699+649 = 2348

Another enquiry, do you think the 8GB VRAM worth the price premium?
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What is the rest of your system? laugh.gif Your PSU is sufficient for a 290x imo.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 12:03 PM)
What is the rest of your system? laugh.gif Your PSU is sufficient for a 290x imo.
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Both MSI and Sapphire website show that the minimum requirement of PSU are 750W

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-LIG...o-specification
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...n=&lid=1&leg=0#

Since R9 300 series is approaching, do you think 290X still be a viable purchase? I would like to make a final upgrade before our Government April fool present :GST

My current system spec:

i5-4670K
16GB DDR3 1600MHz value RAM
Giga Z87X D3H
Sapphire HD 7870 GHz
1.5TB + 2TB WD green
Cooler Master V6GT CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 620W
Corsair Carbide 400R


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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 12:09 PM)
Both MSI and Sapphire website show that the minimum requirement of PSU are 750W

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-LIG...o-specification
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...n=&lid=1&leg=0#

Since R9 300 series is approaching, do you think 290X still be a viable purchase? I would like to make a final upgrade before our Government April fool present :GST

My current system spec:

i5-4670K
16GB DDR3 1600MHz value RAM
Giga Z87X D3H
Sapphire HD 7870 GHz
1.5TB + 2TB WD green
Cooler Master V6GT CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 620W
Corsair Carbide 400R
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Nah, your PSU is fine. The Lightning power consumption is similar to other aftermarket 290x.

PCPER Lightning test system only use 412 watt of power on load with 3960X processor.
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Tomshardware tested the card only use 258watt average on Heaven benchmark loop with some occasional spikes to 400+ watts. Your PSU should be able to hand those. Even when overclocked to 1150mhz the card only consume 272watt on average when gaming.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 01:29 PM)
Nah, your PSU is fine. The Lightning power consumption is similar to other aftermarket 290x.

PCPER Lightning test system only use 412 watt of power on load with 3960X processor.
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Tomshardware tested the card only use 258watt average on Heaven benchmark loop with some occasional spikes to 400+ watts. Your PSU should be able to hand those. Even when overclocked to 1150mhz the card only consume 272watt on average when gaming.
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Thanks for the info, I have read essentially all the reviews around regard of the 290X. just concern of the PSU requirement of the official website which almost all state 750W as minimum. If no need to change my PSU, RM 1299 for 290X lightning will be very tempting.

btw, I'm considering also the Sapphire 290X 8GB at price 1699. do you think the price premium worth?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 02:13 PM)
Thanks for the info, I have read essentially all the reviews around regard of the 290X. just concern of the PSU requirement of the official website which almost all state 750W as minimum. If no need to change my PSU, RM 1299 for 290X lightning will be very tempting.

btw, I'm considering also the Sapphire 290X 8GB at price 1699. do you think the price premium worth?
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the performance increase of 8GB is negligible.. indeed got some performance increase in 4k reso but very minimal.. just go with ligthning 4GB.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6818/sapp...view/index.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sapphi...x-8gb,3977.html
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 12:09 PM)
Both MSI and Sapphire website show that the minimum requirement of PSU are 750W

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-LIG...o-specification
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...n=&lid=1&leg=0#

Since R9 300 series is approaching, do you think 290X still be a viable purchase? I would like to make a final upgrade before our Government April fool present :GST

My current system spec:

i5-4670K
16GB DDR3 1600MHz value RAM
Giga Z87X D3H
Sapphire HD 7870 GHz
1.5TB + 2TB WD green
Cooler Master V6GT CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 620W
Corsair Carbide 400R
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Now near the end of January already, if me I'll wait for 300 series. Your HD7870 still can play latest games too.

If tak boleh wait better for for cheap GTX970... (lol i know it's Radeon subforum) or get a 2nd hand r9 290?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 02:13 PM)
Thanks for the info, I have read essentially all the reviews around regard of the 290X. just concern of the PSU requirement of the official website which almost all state 750W as minimum. If no need to change my PSU, RM 1299 for 290X lightning will be very tempting.

btw, I'm considering also the Sapphire 290X 8GB at price 1699. do you think the price premium worth?
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If you plan to run with high resolution multi-monitor setup, it'll be worth it. However for 4k & higher resolution, you'll need more than one card to get nice fps though. If you plan only single monitor, 4GB is more than enough. I'd get 290x lightning. Your PSU is enough for single card.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 02:13 PM)
Thanks for the info, I have read essentially all the reviews around regard of the 290X. just concern of the PSU requirement of the official website which almost all state 750W as minimum. If no need to change my PSU, RM 1299 for 290X lightning will be very tempting.

btw, I'm considering also the Sapphire 290X 8GB at price 1699. do you think the price premium worth?
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Unless you're going to CFX them, 8GB is pretty useless imo. Unseen83 play at 4K res with 2x 4GB 290x CFX and he don't have problem with the 4GB framebuffer... i think.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 23 2015, 03:00 PM)
Now near the end of January already, if me I'll wait for 300 series. Your HD7870 still can play latest games too.

If tak boleh wait better for for cheap GTX970... (lol i know it's Radeon subforum) or get a 2nd hand r9 290?
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Yes indeed... but no one can sure 380X 390X will be available before GST and i may need to buy a new PSU for the new card as the rumored liquid cooler gave me impression that it may use astronomical amount of power. I personally prefer Radeon card more (dunno why~) brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 23 2015, 03:24 PM)
If you plan to run with high resolution multi-monitor setup, it'll be worth it. However for 4k & higher resolution, you'll need more than one card to get nice fps though. If you plan only single monitor, 4GB is more than enough. I'd get 290x lightning. Your PSU is enough for single card.
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Thanks for your precious opinion, if 290X against GTX 970, will 290X be a better buy?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 04:13 PM)
Thanks for your precious opinion, if 290X against GTX 970, will 290X be a better buy?
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Of course

290x dirctx 11
970 DirectX 12

Anyway I will buy lightning
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 06:48 PM)
Of course

290x dirctx 11
970 DirectX 12

Anyway I will buy lightning
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U will buy 290X lightning? I'm considering that too...although not excel in power efficiency, it perform well and the price are good enough. Just curious that my 620W PSU can run this beast, if not then I may need to pay for another PSU or just grab GTXes.

I think 290X will most probably been updated to run DirectX 12 in future. plus, All of the game currently will backward compatible with DX 9 and i think it will be the case to DX 11. plus there will be a few years before the game designing firm completely ditch DX 11

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 03:26 PM)
Unless you're going to CFX them, 8GB is pretty useless imo. Unseen83 play at 4K res with 2x 4GB 290x CFX and he don't have problem with the 4GB framebuffer... i think.
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I see... thanks for ur advice. I do think when 4GB VRAM ever become not sufficient, the GPU itself might become obsolete already. Time for upgrade if that happen then lol~
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If you plan to run with high resolution multi-monitor setup, it'll be worth it. However for 4k & higher resolution, you'll need more than one card to get nice fps though. If you plan only single monitor, 4GB is more than enough. I'd get 290x lightning. Your PSU is enough for single card.
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thanks for your precious advice! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif if compared to newer GTX 980 or 970, do you think 290X lightning will still be a good buy? especially compared with 970
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 07:03 PM)
thanks for your precious advice!  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  if compared to newer GTX 980 or 970, do you think 290X lightning will still be a good buy? especially compared with 970
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To me is depends on the PCB & cooler design, for example if Gainward/Leadtek GTX970 vs 290x Lightning, i definitely will choose the latter, but if gigabyte windforce gtx 970 vs 290x lightning then i might choose the former. I personally like full length PCB & big cooler, it look great inside the casing (provided your casing has side window)
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 06:57 PM)
U will buy 290X lightning? I'm considering that too...although not excel in power efficiency, it perform well and the price are good enough. Just curious that my 620W PSU can run this beast, if not then I may need to pay for another PSU or just grab GTXes.

I think 290X will most probably been updated to run DirectX 12 in future. plus, All of the game currently will backward compatible with DX 9 and i think it will be the case to DX 11. plus there will be a few years before the game designing firm completely ditch DX 11
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You can't update 290x to run DirectX 12. Already confirmed DirectX 12 cannot run on 290x.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:23 PM)
You can't update 290x to run DirectX 12. Already confirmed DirectX 12 cannot run on 290x.
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290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 23 2015, 07:19 PM)
To me is depends on the PCB & cooler design, for example if Gainward/Leadtek GTX970 vs 290x Lightning, i definitely will choose the latter, but if gigabyte windforce gtx 970 vs 290x lightning then i might choose the former. I personally like full length PCB & big cooler, it look great inside the casing (provided your casing has side window)
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same here... I like big ass cooler heat sink which look really cool! and it gave me feeling of its capability to cool things. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

gigabyte windforce GTX 980/970 looks really good, if I ever go for Nvidia, will seriously consider GTX 980 windforce as my choice, but I'm not sure that if my Corsair 400R casing with Max 318mm GPU spec can put 312mm Gigabyte GTX 980 or not.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:27 PM)
290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM)
Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.
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AMD officials also said nothing had changed. “All GCN-based graphics cards from AMD are going to support DirectX12,” an official told PCWorld.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
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“While we are not yet ready to detail everything related to DirectX12, we can share that we are working closely with all of our hardware partners to help ensure that most modern PC gaming hardware will work well with DirectX12, including; nVidia’s Maxwell, Kepler and Fermi-based GPUs, Intel’s 4th generation (and newer) Core processors and AMD’s Graphics Core Next (GCN) based GPUs. We’ll have more to share about DirectX12 at GDC in March.”

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You won’t actually need a new graphics card to run Microsoft’s new DirectX 12 API, which will be baked into Windows 10 later this year. Microsoft has formally confirmed that modern GPUs will indeed work with DX12 afterall.

Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all


By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1. Where is your source btw?
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:27 PM)
290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM)
Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:42 PM)
Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all
By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1.  Where is your source btw?
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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rubbish

Anyway make sure lightning is 1080mhz core. Some sell 1030mhz core lightning.

I'm still waiting for chocoboz to contact me.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:42 PM)
Actually i lied, according to AMD all GCN card will support DX12.

and according to Microsoft most modern GPU will support DX12.
Sauce: Don't panic! DirectX12 won't require a new graphics card after all
By your logic, people should have not bought Nvidia Keplers because it didn't fully support DX11.1.  Where is your source btw?
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We’ve also been informed that DirectX 12 will require a new graphics card in order to take advantage of everything it’s got to offer, though some existing cards will be able to get some benefit from it. “To get the full benefits of DX12, the answer is yes,” Mike Ybarra, Partner Director of Program Management, Xbox Platform told us. “There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we’re bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you’re going to need a DX12 card
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:54 PM)
We’ve also been informed that DirectX 12 will require a new graphics card in order to take advantage of everything it’s got to offer, though some existing cards will be able to get some benefit from it. “To get the full benefits of DX12, the answer is yes,” Mike Ybarra, Partner Director of Program Management, Xbox Platform told us. “There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we’re bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you’re going to need a DX12 card
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Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM)
Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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My guess is there will take years for market to fully adopt DX 12 since most of games nowadays still using DX 11 or even DX 9 nowadays. The market may slowly adopt this new API or just being ignored like DX 10
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Sucks for 290x owner
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Why 290X be suck since there are no single DirectX 12 optimized game yet in the market? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:30 PM)
too many rumors lol.

Unseen83. What is your plan bro? laugh.gif
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Not sure if anyone had posted this,but..after march.. hmm.gif

Also,some news. hmm.gif
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the R9 380, will feature 4,096 GCN 1.2 cores, double that of its predecessor, and 4 GB of stacked HBM (high-bandwidth memory). Its mid-range chip, codenamed "Trinidad" will succeed "Curacao," and offer performance competitive to the $200-ish price-point


Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/209135/a...-march-ceo.html
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 15 2015, 10:36 AM)
300w is nothing. The most important thing is they are able to cool it down.

I Oced my 290 and it can pull over 300w also no problem running all day also.
Even OCed GTX 980 can pull alot of watts too. In gaming GTX 980 uses less power, but in CUDA apps even stock third party cards can be near 300w too

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In gaming the GTX 980 only uses around 180w.

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In CUDA or OPENCL, the power consumption of the third party card is 280w! Reference GTX 980 has lower wattage limit and it ran at 180 watt. Still both higher than the 165w TDP claimed by Nvidia.

Source http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia...ll,3941-12.html

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This is reference GTX 980 which has lower wattage limit. Under Nvidia's own 25% OC pushing the core to 1377Mhz, mem to 1466Mhz, max boost to 1515Mhz under the same voltage. The GTX 980 uses slightly more power than reference R9 290X. Now 25% more for 165w of the GTX 980 should be 206w, but why does a 206w card now uses more power than R9 290X which is claimed to be 250w - 300w TDP card? The card here is for the reference card, third party GTX 980 will be chugging power just like r9 290 series once you try to overclock them.
Nvidia's TDP figures is questionable while AMD's TDP figures is exaggerated.
Source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-...x-980-review/22

For those people who think they can run GTX 980 and GTX 970 with small PSU, they better be careful lol, especially if they get curious and try to overclock the card. They will face problems too if they try to run CUDA apps with small PSU.

The bottom line is, 300w is nothing.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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Why do you think I'll wait for 490X. One reason only. Battlefield 5. No games this year other than Overwatch has seriously tempted me. So DX12 no full support is not a deal breaker for me. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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excuses me... did i come to your house and take something out your mouth that you enjoy "suck" ? if i did that please forgive ME! by the way what GPU your using.. that is FULLY support DX12 (which my opinion only reason is Rumor to be out because AMD Create Mantle...) and HOW GPU company claim Fully support something not yet proven and DX12 not yet out... Meanwhile Mantle is out on a lot modern and AWARD WINNING GAME of the YEAR 2014 e.g. Dragon AGE INQuisiTION

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and if not mistaken DX12 is like Mantle x and what GPU in current Market show work best on ? oh AMD Gpu R7 /R9 /AMD APU

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:39 PM)
too many rumors lol.

Unseen83. What is your plan bro? laugh.gif
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eh... me and momo will have more happy time... till june 2015... x blush.gif
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by way check out, AMD left TSMC >? ?? eh r9 390X is on 14NM ? lolx

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 23 2015, 07:02 PM)
I see... thanks for ur advice. I do think when 4GB VRAM ever become not sufficient, the GPU itself might become obsolete already. Time for upgrade if that happen then lol~
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if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM haha but on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix.. all game play 30Fps + some game even got 55FPS when AA is off... but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:54 AM)
if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif  if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM  haha  but  on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix..  all game play 30Fps +  some game even got 55FPS  when AA is off...  but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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30 FPS? What games are you playing?
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June 2015~~ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have to pay GST for that!!! btw, is this wccftech site reliable? saw a bunch of leaks from this site.
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@@ and nvidia still lansi about their 'low power' gpu
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that is their 'strong point' that why they are bragging non stop... flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:54 AM)
if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif  if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM  haha  but  on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix..  all game play 30Fps +  some game even got 55FPS  when AA is off...  but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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I'm just a 1080p player (Dell p2314H 23" 60Hz ) that do not wish my FPS to drop. Do you think I should just go for 290X lightning or take 8GB vapor X? I guess the former will make better sense at the price point. Plus not really sure my tiny cute 620W PSU (main +12V rail 50A) will be sufficient for 290X lightning or not. It is enough for me to crossfire my HD 7870 previously though, until my ASUS 7870 die off, and I'm still using my leftover Sapphire HD 7870.

my concern with 8GB Vapor X are just at the price point, worse case scenario since i might need to change my PSU, it will make this solution around the price of single GTX 980 from ASUS giga MSI etc. (290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309; GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While, 290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909; GTX 980 leadtek=1999 this is the major dilemma i'm encountering unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif )

PS: I'm unable to claim warranty as the sticker containing serial number dropped and don't know where it flied. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 05:43 AM)
that is their 'strong point' that why they are bragging non stop...  flex.gif  flex.gif
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frankly, low TDP hardware works best if
1. youre building mITX system where cooling is a huge concern
2. you actually cared of the savings per year from using less power hardware
3. youre on a mobile device

but were on a desktop, power consumption shouldnt affect us that much (unless youre extremely sensitive to minor changes in electric bills)

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 05:56 AM)
I'm just a 1080p player (Dell p2314H 23" 60Hz ) that do not wish my FPS to drop. Do you think I should just go for 290X lightning or take 8GB vapor X? I guess the former will make better sense at the price point. Plus not really sure my tiny cute 620W PSU (main +12V rail 50A) will be sufficient for 290X lightning or not. It is enough for me to crossfire my HD 7870 previously though, until my ASUS 7870 die off, and I'm still using my leftover Sapphire HD 7870.

PS: I'm unable to claim warranty as the sticker containing serial number dropped and don't know where it flied.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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IMHO, impossible. im on a GTX780 that was supposedly overkill for 1080p. yet im getting fluctuating frames on games that i should breeze through (no, im not even CPU bottlenecked yet)

the only way for you to confirm a solid 60FPS, is to lower graphical details. dont even think of touching AA settings unless you want to see plummeting frames whenever a graphical intensive scene appears

and dont be too fussed on 290X's power requirements. i OCed my GTX780 quite high even with a 650W and my PSU isnt even struggling to juice it up. you rarely see GPU throttled by lack of power unless you deliberately feed it lack of power
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 06:13 AM)
frankly, low TDP hardware works best if
1. youre building mITX system where cooling is a huge concern
2. you actually cared of the savings per year from using less power hardware
3. youre on a mobile device

but were on a desktop, power consumption shouldnt affect us that much (unless youre extremely sensitive to minor changes in electric bills)
IMHO, impossible. im on a GTX780 that was supposedly overkill for 1080p. yet im getting fluctuating frames on games that i should breeze through (no, im not even CPU bottlenecked yet)

the only way for you to confirm a solid 60FPS, is to lower graphical details. dont even think of touching AA settings unless you want to see plummeting frames whenever a graphical intensive scene appears

and dont be too fussed on 290X's power requirements. i OCed my GTX780 quite high even with a 650W and my PSU isnt even struggling to juice it up. you rarely see GPU throttled by lack of power unless you deliberately feed it lack of power
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Wow... thanks for your advice!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif . May I ask you some more advice regard of my possible choice?

290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309;
GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While,
290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909;
GTX 980 leadtek=1999

this is the major dilemma i'm encountering. I really do hope I can get around with my 620W PSU. Then the total cost of getting 290X will be significantly lower and i can get some SSD to play from the money saved or i will just save the money.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 06:13 AM)
frankly, low TDP hardware works best if
1. youre building mITX system where cooling is a huge concern
2. you actually cared of the savings per year from using less power hardware
3. youre on a mobile device

but were on a desktop, power consumption shouldnt affect us that much (unless youre extremely sensitive to minor changes in electric bills)
IMHO, impossible. im on a GTX780 that was supposedly overkill for 1080p. yet im getting fluctuating frames on games that i should breeze through (no, im not even CPU bottlenecked yet)

the only way for you to confirm a solid 60FPS, is to lower graphical details. dont even think of touching AA settings unless you want to see plummeting frames whenever a graphical intensive scene appears

and dont be too fussed on 290X's power requirements. i OCed my GTX780 quite high even with a 650W and my PSU isnt even struggling to juice it up. you rarely see GPU throttled by lack of power unless you deliberately feed it lack of power
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Higher tdp more noisy. No one want their system to be noisy.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 07:41 AM)
Higher tdp more noisy. No one want their system to be noisy.
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It depends on the fans being used.If the fans are crap,yes,noisy as heck. icon_idea.gif Take the 290 Vapor-X for example,it's the quietest 290 out there. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 24 2015, 09:50 AM)
Oh,so you are aaying,the higher the TDP,the noisier it gets?That is wrong.. icon_idea.gif
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It depends on the fans being used.If the fans are crap,yes,noisy as heck. icon_idea.gif Take the 290 Vapor-X for example,it's the quietest 290 out there. icon_idea.gif
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Same tdp is quietest if use quiet fan. If lower tdp, can even be quieter because you can reduce fan speed.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:10 AM)
Same tdp is quietest if use quiet fan. If lower tdp, can even be quieter because you can reduce fan speed.
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my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:22 AM)
Chicken and duck talk
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Still remember my 290 directcuii, the tdp is quite high but man was it a quiet card, you cant hear the gpu running only the noisy case fans.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 06:25 AM)
Wow... thanks for your advice!!  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif . May I ask you some more advice regard of my possible choice?

290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309;
GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While,
290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909;
GTX 980 leadtek=1999

this is the major dilemma i'm encountering. I really do hope I can get around with my 620W PSU. Then the total cost of getting 290X will be significantly lower and i can get some SSD to play from the money saved or i will just save the money.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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you dont need a 1000W

even a solid 850W Gold is good to go for dual CFx/SLi setups

the 620W is fine, just use it first. if you started encountering lack of power symptoms then only you upgrade. (ie. PC shutdown while under intense load)

just do a little test before making PSU purchase. plug in new card, run Furmark for 15mins. if it passes that, you should have no issues already.

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this is not applicable for all scenarios

most 3rd party GPU coolers like Strixx, Windforce, Twin Frozr are already pretty quiet even under heavy load at 70% fan speed (you dont even need to ramp up speed cause its damn efficient already)

when idling, theyre on 0db mode as well. if you can hear noise from that, its either electrical noise from the parts or your case fans

only when during reference cards is where higher TDP might equate to more noise. but frankly, i dont even find my 780 at 50% noisy. only when i ramp up to 80% is where i consider pretty noisy.

tldr : GPU coolers these days are pretty efficient to the point they can dissipate even 300W of power with no need to spin fans at 6k RPM (cept AMD ref cooler, that thing is just plain bad)
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 12:21 PM)
if you started encountering lack of power symptoms then only you upgrade. (ie. PC shutdown while under intense load)
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i smell 750W of mine going kaput while playing the crew game even at low 1440p laugh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 06:25 AM)
Wow... thanks for your advice!!  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif . May I ask you some more advice regard of my possible choice?

290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309;
GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While,
290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909;
GTX 980 leadtek=1999

this is the major dilemma i'm encountering. I really do hope I can get around with my 620W PSU. Then the total cost of getting 290X will be significantly lower and i can get some SSD to play from the money saved or i will just save the money.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 07:41 AM)
Higher tdp more noisy. No one want their system to be noisy.
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It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:22 AM)

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:10 AM)

Same tdp is quietest if use quiet fan. If lower tdp, can even be quieter because you can reduce fan speed.
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my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...
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Chicken and duck talk
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How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.
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You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 24 2015, 10:10 AM)
Same tdp is quietest if use quiet fan. If lower tdp, can even be quieter because you can reduce fan speed.
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Bro..look at the GTX780 and 770 in the fan noise picture,almost as quiet as HD7770 and HD7790 icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 24 2015, 02:59 PM)
You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.
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Well,terradrive more or less said the same thing,just different card. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 05:56 AM)
I'm just a 1080p player (Dell p2314H 23" 60Hz ) that do not wish my FPS to drop. Do you think I should just go for 290X lightning or take 8GB vapor X? I guess the former will make better sense at the price point. Plus not really sure my tiny cute 620W PSU (main +12V rail 50A) will be sufficient for 290X lightning or not. It is enough for me to crossfire my HD 7870 previously though, until my ASUS 7870 die off, and I'm still using my leftover Sapphire HD 7870.

my concern with 8GB Vapor X are just at the price point, worse case scenario since i might need to change my PSU, it will make this solution around the price of single GTX 980 from ASUS giga MSI etc. (290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309; GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While, 290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909; GTX 980 leadtek=1999 this is the major dilemma i'm encountering unsure.gif  unsure.gif  unsure.gif  unsure.gif )

PS: I'm unable to claim warranty as the sticker containing serial number dropped and don't know where it flied.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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how much money you got alot that don't mind to spend ? go Gigabyte GTX 980 G1(3year warranties) or save RM800+ go for MSI R9 290X Lightning(3 year warranties) both gpu is POWER to GAME on Ultra 1080P and 620W should be okay to power this gpu...
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 24 2015, 03:15 AM)
30 FPS? What games are you playing?
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alot.. list/benchmark on screenshot on my Steam.. lazy to name it..

add on: oh that is on amd gaming evolved setting on auto optimized it turn on AA on 4K.. why i got 30FPS or less average.. when i notice it i turn it off see a +10-15Fps on average.. i use amd evolved it give me rewards point.

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my Sapphire R9 290X Vapor got Hight TDP but Fan noise is barely noticeable this if i compare to my old R9 290X Reference(i call it Fan blower), so at end is the Type of Cooler on Gpu determine the noise level... and how it cool down Gpu/VRM1/2

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Regarding TDP" is on desktop not mobile and very sure count the LOAD power not the Idle... GTX 980/970 all hit 300Watt+ on load..

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DirectX 12 support AMD / Nvidia both claim to support it ! but DirectX12 not yet out ~! stop been stupid.. only close Api that is like DX12 is Mantle.. AMD Gpu/APU(R7/R9) seem to support that.. at moment

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 12:21 PM)
you dont need a 1000W

even a solid 850W Gold is good to go for dual CFx/SLi setups

the 620W is fine, just use it first. if you started encountering lack of power symptoms then only you upgrade. (ie. PC shutdown while under intense load)

just do a little test before making PSU purchase. plug in new card, run Furmark for 15mins. if it passes that, you should have no issues already.
this is not applicable for all scenarios

most 3rd party GPU coolers like Strixx, Windforce, Twin Frozr are already pretty quiet even under heavy load at 70% fan speed (you dont even need to ramp up speed cause its damn efficient already)

when idling, theyre on 0db mode as well. if you can hear noise from that, its either electrical noise from the parts or your case fans

only when during reference cards is where higher TDP might equate to more noise. but frankly, i dont even find my 780 at 50% noisy. only when i ramp up to 80% is where i consider pretty noisy.

tldr : GPU coolers these days are pretty efficient to the point they can dissipate even 300W of power with no need to spin fans at 6k RPM (cept AMD ref cooler, that thing is just plain bad)
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Thanks for your precious advice, will try use my 620W PSU first and see if i ever go for 290X lightning. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


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[quote=kizwan,Jan 24 2015, 02:59 PM]
It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.
It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.
my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...
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Chicken and duck talk
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How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.
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You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.
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Thanks a lot, will try my 620W first, if I ever go for 290X. Now just need to decide which card should I buy now... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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[quote=kizwan,Jan 24 2015, 02:59 PM]
It's not major dilemma. If you're going to run multimonitor and/or at 4k & higher resolution then 8GB would make sense because running games at max settings will eat a lot of VRAM. Even if you did want to run in this kind setup, you'll need two or more 8GB cards. If you stick to 1080p, then 4GB is more than enough. Your PSU is fine for single card.
It's not that simple. Fan on the cooler is not designed to work based on tdp but it based on temps, specifically the core temp. Higher tdp doesn't necessarily mean it will run at higher temp than lower tdp (read heat vs. temperature). It depends on the cooler system. Fan speed & noise depends on a couple of factors like the cooler (heatsink) efficiency/performance & fan specification.
my R9 290 Tri-X @ 50% fan speed is quieter than my 1200rpm 120mm silverstone case fans...
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Chicken and duck talk
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How informative on your way to discredit people which doesn't agree with you.
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You misunderstand. The "Chicken and duck talk" is Chinese saying that you are not talking about the same thing & misunderstand what he is trying to say.

BTW, I just want to clarify that only.
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Thanks a lot, will try my 620W first, if I ever go for 290X. Now just need to decide which card should I buy now... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 05:04 PM)
how much money you got alot that don't mind to spend ?  go Gigabyte GTX 980 G1(3year warranties)  or save RM800+  go for MSI R9 290X Lightning(3 year warranties) both gpu is POWER to GAME on Ultra 1080P  and 620W should be okay to power this gpu...
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Frankly tell you, my budget max RM2300, final upgrade before GST, plan to use it for some time (at least three years).

Of coz, if possible cheaper the solution is better i can save back my budget. so if I follow this direction, GTX 970 or 290X will be more sensible. As personally I'm a mild AMD fanboy, so emotionally i more toward 290X. But I have read some review state that GTX 970 shows better performance. For GTX 980, there are a demon inside my heart always telling me to get the best card around (which is GTX 980 for now)
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 06:22 PM)
Frankly tell you, my budget max RM2300, final upgrade before GST, plan to use it for some time (at least three years).

Of coz, if possible cheaper the solution is better i can save back my budget. so if I follow this direction, GTX 970 or 290X will be more sensible. As personally I'm a mild AMD fanboy, so emotionally i more toward 290X. But I have read some review state that  GTX 970 shows better performance. For GTX 980, there are a demon inside my heart always telling me to get the best card around (which is GTX 980 for now)
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buy lightning and a good 256gb ssd.. you get both powerfull gpu and high speed pc.. with some money left, go get good dinner.. nuff said! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 06:22 PM)
Frankly tell you, my budget max RM2300, final upgrade before GST, plan to use it for some time (at least three years).

Of coz, if possible cheaper the solution is better i can save back my budget. so if I follow this direction, GTX 970 or 290X will be more sensible. As personally I'm a mild AMD fanboy, so emotionally i more toward 290X. But I have read some review state that  GTX 970 shows better performance. For GTX 980, there are a demon inside my heart always telling me to get the best card around (which is GTX 980 for now)
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eh dun worried so much with GST, at moment all GPU you buy is overprice already, so if the seller increase their price ask/request for Vat number claim they reg GST give a call 1-300-888-500 or 03-88822111 see if they REG their company to charge 6% Good and Service Tax and Company made RM500,000 a year in profit... GOV LOVE TO CHARGE THEM TAX! haha

http://gst.customs.gov.my/en/cu/Pages/cu_ccc.aspx

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so get MSI r9 290X Lightning RM1.3K good price... and when R9 380X out sell your lightning get R9 380X icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 07:57 PM)
eh dun worried so much with GST,  at moment all GPU you buy is overprice already, so if the seller increase their price ask/request for Vat number claim they reg GST give a call  1-300-888-500 or 03-88822111  see if they REG their company to charge 6% Good and Service Tax and Company made RM500,000 a year in profit... GOV LOVE TO CHARGE THEM TAX! haha

http://gst.customs.gov.my/en/cu/Pages/cu_ccc.aspx

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so get MSI r9 290X Lightning RM1.3K good price... and when R9 380X out  sell your lightning get R9 380X  icon_idea.gif
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When do you think it will out? 380X~ Now all we know about it just rumours and rumours with unknown amount of element of truths inside~~ For Lowyat shop i think they all can make 500K annually with little sweat lol flex.gif flex.gif

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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 24 2015, 06:45 PM)
buy lightning and a good 256gb ssd.. you get both powerfull gpu and high speed pc.. with some money left, go get good dinner.. nuff said!  tongue.gif
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nice plan... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif i'm dreaming for A SSD also, maybe not 256GB, might get cheapo 128GB for wondows only.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 08:07 PM)
When do you think it will out? 380X~ Now all we know about it just rumours and rumours with unknown amount of element of truths inside~~ For Lowyat shop i think they all can make 500K annually with little sweat lol flex.gif  flex.gif
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GST they can or not made 500K a year is up to him to declare it.. that's meant pay %% to Gov.. why GST required strict reg for them to claim/charge GST 6% charge towards customer... why u need ask them vat number.. before made purchase.. cool2.gif bro what ever it is 6% GST no different than moment SST(sale service Tax) we all paying for goods.. just with GST alot got Exclude from TAX smile.gif e.g. Education Fee, Public transport, Feul Petrol Ron95/Deisel, sale purchase or Rental Residential properties / First 300 unit Electric / Basic Food item(raw chicken,meat,fish at market) /reading material/newspaper /Medical medicine drug (cover heart/diabetic/)

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OFF TOPIC:
GST they can or not made 500K a year is up to him to declare it.. that's meant pay %% to Gov.. why GST required strict reg for them to claim/charge GST 6% charge towards customer... why u need ask them vat number.. before made purchase..  cool2.gif   bro what ever it is 6% GST no different than  moment SST(sale service Tax) we all paying for goods..  just with GST alot got Exclude from TAX smile.gif  e.g. Education Fee, Public transport, Feul Petrol Ron95/Deisel, sale purchase or Rental Residential properties / First 300 unit Electric / Basic Food item(raw chicken,meat,fish at market) /reading material/newspaper /Medical medicine drug (cover heart/diabetic/)

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Wow... informative!! what goods we currently have now really do pay sales/service tax? Do you mean that most electronics we have now are paid for these taxes already? You think GST may not have impact on electronic prices? if so, that good news indeed

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 08:24 PM)
Wow... informative!! what goods we currently have now really do pay sales/service tax? Do you mean that most electronics we have now are paid for these taxes already?
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haha why u think some seller up price ? say cover their supplier charge/upkeep so on..(but some Famous excuses is MALAY currency is falling over dollar so we sell higher or have to increase.. which is wrong and breach consumer law in malaysia) now you know if they charge GST wont be higher than 6% and need to have GST Reg number on Receipt. But u buy Gpu before.. you see any SST 6% charge on the Receipt ? i bet is no... lolx so no worried la with GST... it effect if your big big buyer for commercial purpose and how Malay Gov introduce re-vamp Good service tax to monitor those big big company from tax exemption...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:40 PM)
haha  why u think some seller  up price ? say cover their supplier charge/upkeep so on..(but some Famous excuses is  MALAY currency is falling over dollar so we  sell higher or have to increase.. which is wrong and breach consumer law in malaysia)  now you know if they charge GST wont be higher than 6% and need to have GST Reg number on Receipt.  But u buy Gpu before.. you see any SST 6% charge on the Receipt ? i bet is no...  lolx  so no worried la with GST...  it effect if your big big buyer for commercial purpose and how Malay Gov introduce re-vamp Good service tax to monitor those big big company from tax exemption...
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yeah i went to lowyat few days ago for some inquiry, I heard those reasons lol! blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif I guess no matter hoe tiny of the impact, we need to pay extra 6% if those electronics were not paid SST before. But I'm not really sure if the electronic parts i bought a few years back are paid for the tax or not. Should i concern and buy my dream card before april or no need to worry the price wont up?

PS: sorry guys I know this is off topic and not gonna do with Radeon, but I guess as a consumer here we should know better the future tax implementation right? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 05:04 PM)
how much money you got alot that don't mind to spend ?  go Gigabyte GTX 980 G1(3year warranties)  or save RM800+  go for MSI R9 290X Lightning(3 year warranties) both gpu is POWER to GAME on Ultra 1080P  and 620W should be okay to power this gpu...
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Regard of GTX 980, how do you see minor brand like Leadtek, i just know they are quite low profile and almost all nvidia quadro card i saw were from leadtek just like Sapphire for AMD firepro. Priced at RM1999, will that be better buy compared with major bradn like MSI Giga or ASUS which their GTX 980 priced at 2299 or more
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:19 PM)
OFF TOPIC:
GST they can or not made 500K a year is up to him to declare it.. that's meant pay %% to Gov.. why GST required strict reg for them to claim/charge GST 6% charge towards customer... why u need ask them vat number.. before made purchase..  cool2.gif  bro what ever it is 6% GST no different than  moment SST(sale service Tax) we all paying for goods..  just with GST alot got Exclude from TAX smile.gif  e.g. Education Fee, Public transport, Feul Petrol Ron95/Deisel, sale purchase or Rental Residential properties / First 300 unit Electric / Basic Food item(raw chicken,meat,fish at market) /reading material/newspaper /Medical medicine drug (cover heart/diabetic/)

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wah unseen the only pro in GST here notworthy.gif

you work consulting 4 GST company is it icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 24 2015, 11:01 PM)
Regard of GTX 980, how do you see minor brand like Leadtek, i just know they are quite low profile and almost all nvidia quadro card i saw were from leadtek just like Sapphire for AMD firepro. Priced at RM1999, will that be better buy compared with major bradn like MSI Giga or ASUS which their GTX 980 priced at 2299 or more
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HMm.. my humble opinion when buying Gpu (don't go for brands/Color unless your Shallow like me tongue.gif) First Warranties ! more the better(Zotac i heards give 5 year? if choose Nvidia) Cooling this you need to do some Research go read 2-3 review not focus on single review... go youtube watch video review... Know what PSU requirement and Length of the GPU cards... will it fit into case...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:47 AM)
eh... me and momo will have more happy time... till june 2015... x  blush.gif
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by way check out, AMD left TSMC >? ?? eh  r9 390X is on 14NM ? lolx

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...m-finfet-chips/
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Yes they're leaving TSMC together with Qualcomm i think. Nah, if the 390x is on 14nm then you have to wait till 2016/2017.
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I thought 380X is slated around June and still 28nm?

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I thought 380X is slated around June?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 25 2015, 10:05 AM)
I thought 380X is slated around June and still 28nm?
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Yup, that is correct.
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Nvidia already forced to use 28nm on GTX 900 series, I guess much of the rumor said that the TSMC production of 20nm (or below) chips are devoted to Apple and qualcomm. But May I ask that lowering the nm may help in power consumption, but will it make large impact on performance? From what I see when Intel came from 32nm to 22nm, the performance difference are not as drastic as I thought.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 25 2015, 09:32 AM)
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Yes they're leaving TSMC together with Qualcomm i think. Nah, if the 390x is on 14nm then you have to wait till 2016/2017.
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I heard they are going to Global Foundries. I think AMD should consider cooperate with Samsung as well, they got one of the best electronic manufacturing technology around.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 25 2015, 04:08 AM)
HMm.. my humble opinion when buying Gpu (don't go for brands/Color unless your Shallow like me tongue.gif) First Warranties ! more the better(Zotac i heards give 5 year? if choose Nvidia) Cooling this you need to do some Research go read 2-3 review not focus on single review... go youtube watch video review...  Know what PSU requirement and Length of the GPU cards... will it fit into case...
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I will go for brands or colour only if all these brands are similar in price and similar in perceived quality brows.gif . But for some brand like Sapphire for AMD/ATi; Leadtek for Nvidia, they are very less advertised (especially for leadtek,I rarely see anyone using this brand as review subject since GTX 700; Sapphire enjoy very nice review though, especially for their superb GPU cooler). for these brand I just don't know if I should choose them against the major brand which are significantly more expensive. This kind of dilemma always appearing when I did anykind of upgrade (such as, dilemma btw AMD FX 8350 or i5 4670K when I build my current rig, while my 7870 came from my previous rig which was a Core 2 Quad Q9440). For the past, I will always go for the price (thats why I might always choose sapphire for AMD card, and this brand enjoys good review), but now I don't know. As I have never set my eye on nvidia before as past gen AMD card just too good in CP value.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 08:19 PM)
OFF TOPIC:
GST they can or not made 500K a year is up to him to declare it.. that's meant pay %% to Gov.. why GST required strict reg for them to claim/charge GST 6% charge towards customer... why u need ask them vat number.. before made purchase..  cool2.gif  bro what ever it is 6% GST no different than  moment SST(sale service Tax) we all paying for goods..  just with GST alot got Exclude from TAX smile.gif  e.g. Education Fee, Public transport, Feul Petrol Ron95/Deisel, sale purchase or Rental Residential properties / First 300 unit Electric / Basic Food item(raw chicken,meat,fish at market) /reading material/newspaper /Medical medicine drug (cover heart/diabetic/)

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company who made 500k revenue annually = must register GST so can charge customers 6% to claim back the 6% which u pay to the supplier when ur supplier sell you the goods.
company who not register GST = they cannot charge 6% on invoice so cannot claim back the GST by supplier. this kind of company normally will markup higher to cover back the 6%.

example:
distributors sell Company A (GST) and B (non GST register company) the product with cost RM100 + 6% GST = RM106
Company A sell RM130+6% = RM137.80 to end users (Najib collect RM7.80-RM6 =RM1.80 from company A)
*get profit RM30
Company B sell RM130 to end users (he cannot back the GST charge by supplier)
*get profit RM24 (RM130-RM106) if he want to sell at same price.

these are just basic for the GST theory. the only affected the market is the SRP will increase from RM130 to RM137.80.
alot of things now we pay with Service tax, the service tax will change the name to GST so the price remain the same (KFC, etcs)

now, computer products price up, not becoz of GST, but the currency exchange rate. u can imagine the rate is raise up from RM3.1 to RM3.65 (highest is RM3.7) - look at the Selling TT/OD column
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbbfrx/f_foreign_exchange.htm

Malaysia doesn't produce computer parts, all import from oversea, even the Dell manufacture in Penang import the parts from oversea but assembly local.

Fluctuations in exchange rates (to higher) will benefits if export. if rate drop to lower then it will benefits if import.
exmple USD250 for a GTX960, the reasonable price is RM775, but due to the currency exchange rate now, the price became RM900 something.

another good things for GST is, the sales tax changed to 6% from 10%. when you do import, not every items will get 10% sales tax and 10% import tax, i know powersupply, casing, cooler got sales tax, others i not sure.
so some of the computer products "maybe" will cheaper. During the GST period, all the expenses like transport fees also has 6% so we cannot assume all price will cheaper 4%.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 25 2015, 11:30 AM)
I will go for brands or colour only if all these brands are similar in price and similar in perceived quality brows.gif . But for some brand like Sapphire for AMD/ATi; Leadtek for Nvidia, they are very less advertised (especially for leadtek,I rarely see anyone using this brand as review subject since GTX 700; Sapphire enjoy very nice review though, especially for their superb GPU cooler). for these brand I just don't know if I should choose them against the major brand which are significantly more expensive. This kind of dilemma always appearing when I did anykind of upgrade (such as, dilemma btw AMD FX 8350 or i5 4670K when I build my current rig, while my 7870 came from my previous rig which was a Core 2 Quad Q9440). For the past, I will always go for the price (thats why I might always choose sapphire for AMD card, and this brand enjoys good review), but now I don't know. As I have never set my eye on nvidia before as past gen AMD card just too good in CP value.
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so... eh there LYnet Seller Reply to you.. above this post smile.gif GST should not worried you.. Just Currency Exchange Fluctuation Charges add 15-25%... which already in place... so worry price increase?.. no more is already increase... and place on Current sale.

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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jan 25 2015, 11:52 AM)
company who made 500k revenue annually = must register GST so can charge customers 6% to claim back the 6% which u pay to the supplier when ur supplier sell you the goods.
company who not register GST = they cannot charge 6% on invoice so cannot claim back the GST by supplier. this kind of company normally will markup higher to cover back the 6%.

example:
distributors sell Company A (GST) and B (non GST register company) the product with cost RM100 + 6% GST = RM106
Company A sell RM130+6% = RM137.80 to end users (Najib collect RM7.80-RM6 =RM1.80 from company A)
*get profit RM30
Company B sell RM130 to end users (he cannot back the GST charge by supplier)
*get profit RM24 (RM130-RM106) if he want to sell at same price.

these are just basic for the GST theory. the only affected the market is the SRP will increase from RM130 to RM137.80.
alot of things now we pay with Service tax, the service tax will change the name to GST so the price remain the same (KFC, etcs)

now, computer products price up, not becoz of GST, but the currency exchange rate. u can imagine the rate is raise up from RM3.1 to RM3.65 (highest is RM3.7) - look at the Selling TT/OD column
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbbfrx/f_foreign_exchange.htm

Malaysia doesn't produce computer parts, all import from oversea, even the Dell manufacture in Penang import the parts from oversea but assembly local.

Fluctuations in exchange rates (to higher) will benefits if export. if rate drop to lower then it will benefits if import.
exmple USD250 for a GTX960, the reasonable price is RM775, but due to the currency exchange rate now, the price became RM900 something.

another good things for GST is, the sales tax changed to 6% from 10%. when you do import, not every items will get 10% sales tax and 10% import tax, i know powersupply, casing, cooler got sales tax, others i not sure.
so some of the computer products "maybe" will cheaper. During the GST period, all the expenses like transport fees also has 6% so we cannot assume all price will cheaper 4%.
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yes company made 500K a year must Register before end dec 2014.. now they got Saman RM1K each delay.. and company that not made 500K a year also best to Reg but not force to.. and who not REG are not allow to Charge customer GST 6%... agree
Quote "GST can only be levied and charged if the business is registered under GST. A business is not liable to be registered if its annual turnover of taxable supplies does not reach the prescribed threshold. Therefore, such businesses cannot charge and collect GST on the supply of goods and services made to their customers. Nevertheless, businesses can apply to be registered voluntarily. " GST Gov
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Najib collect ? eh bro this money go for the benefit of Country.. Qoute " Almost all countries collect income tax, which is a percentage of what you earn as an individual. Another way the government gets revenue is by collecting tax from business operations, like sales tax and duties on items that are bought or sold.
We need to pay tax so that the government can operate. GST is one method of collecting taxes which works better than others. "
- Timbalan Menteri Kewangan II YB . Datuk Chua Tee Yong 2 January 2015. <- Very Handsome Fellow only country Malaysia Any racial can become Minister 1Malaysia ! thumbup.gif

price Fluctuation exchange.. eh i check GTX 960 GTX 960 Newegg price 210usd -240usd brand EVGA, MSI, Asus so if seller sold 250usd GTX 960 True should sell RM900 but ... USD market GPU sell 10-30USD less... BUT HEY ! i dun mind ! biggrin.gif WHEN Sapphire R9 380X is out i swear no matter PRICE (of course i ask discount!! haha) i WILL BUY IF YOUR shop SELL thumbup.gif
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HMm.. my humble opinion when buying Gpu (don't go for brands/Color unless your Shallow like me tongue.gif) First Warranties ! more the better(Zotac i heards give 5 year? if choose Nvidia) Cooling this you need to do some Research go read 2-3 review not focus on single review... go youtube watch video review...  Know what PSU requirement and Length of the GPU cards... will it fit into case...
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WHEN Sapphire R9 380X is out i swear no matter PRICE (of course i ask discount!! haha)  i WILL BUY IF YOUR shop SELL  thumbup.gif
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Haha, Royal A fan spotted.  laugh.gif
After april, Those RM2k range GC card are harder to afford...  mad.gif
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Despite the recent release of GTX 960, R9 285 is still the best performance-to-price card out there.
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Despite the recent release of GTX 960, R9 285 is still the best performance-to-price card out there.
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For me, I will lean more toward better performing 280X for that particular price range. LOL~ rclxms.gif rclxms.gif flex.gif flex.gif

despite R9 285 being newer and more efficient in term of power efficiency, I admit I'm that kind of guy who will not have a single thought of TDP issue IF the power supply are enough... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jan 26 2015, 01:22 AM)
Despite the recent release of GTX 960, R9 285 is still the best performance-to-price card out there.
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Nah, R9-290 Tri-X is only RM1159 now. For 30% more money u get almost 40%-50% more performance compare to 285.
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Nah, R9-290 Tri-X is only RM1159 now. For 30% more money u get almost 40%-50% more performance compare to 285.
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Too close to a 290X Lightning... RM1239 only... brows.gif
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The 380X has listed in some etailers...

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-380x/

Note: pricing is likely to be a placeholder. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 26 2015, 10:20 AM)
Too close to a 290X Lightning... RM1239 only... brows.gif
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Got 2 types of Lightning:-

1030MHZ Lite version
1080MHZ Full version

Which version is RM1239?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:42 AM)
Got 2 types of Lightning:-

1030MHZ Lite version
1080MHZ Full version

Which version is RM1239?
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Got any source to this? So far I only seem to find the 1080MHz version in their website.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:52 AM)
Got any source to this? So far I only seem to find the 1080MHz version in their website.
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I saw this while reading and watching Youtube about MSI Lightning. I'll paste here once I find it again.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:52 AM)
Got any source to this? So far I only seem to find the 1080MHz version in their website.
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He's right, got 2 version.

1. MSI R9 290X Lightning LE
2. MSI R9 290X Lightning
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 11:57 AM)
He's right, got 2 version.

1. MSI R9 290X Lightning LE
2. MSI R9 290X Lightning
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By the gods, it is true then. Anyway, I do not think a mere 50MHz makes much difference since these beasts are made to be overclocked anyway. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 26 2015, 10:20 AM)
Too close to a 290X Lightning... RM1239 only... brows.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 11:57 AM)
He's right, got 2 version.

1. MSI R9 290X Lightning LE
2. MSI R9 290X Lightning
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Thanks lol... didn't know got such listing!!!
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 12:00 PM)
user posted image
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Thanks to this chocobo7779 always promote the 290X Lightning, now I also start to feel like kena poisoned already. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:59 AM)
By the gods, it is true then. Anyway, I do not think a mere 50MHz makes much difference since these beasts are made to be overclocked anyway. biggrin.gif
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FYI, the LE version is pretty much the R9 290X Lightning hardware-wise, just the clock speeds are lowered for cheaper pricing. icon_idea.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-gtx-7...g-le,25350.html
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:42 AM)
Got 2 types of Lightning:-

1030MHZ Lite version
1080MHZ Full version

Which version is RM1239?
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Ask TechView brows.gif
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Ask TechView brows.gif
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Calling TechView

Why suddenly Malaysia flooded with MSI Lightning Edition? Are they all 1030MHz LE edition? rclxms.gif
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Calling TechView

Why suddenly Malaysia flooded with MSI Lightning Edition? Are they all 1030MHz LE edition?  rclxms.gif
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Clear stock? brows.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:43 PM)
Clear stock? brows.gif
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Clear stock for 380/390X. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 26 2015, 12:43 PM)
Clear stock? brows.gif
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I just asked Techview. RM1369 already. Keep increasing price after GTX970 is found to be a dud. cry.gif
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I just asked Techview. RM1369 already. Keep increasing price after GTX970 is found to be a dud.  cry.gif
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LE or not LE? hmm.gif

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Ringgit drop? sweat.gif
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LE or not LE? hmm.gif

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Ringgit drop? sweat.gif
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i didn't ask cry.gif
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LE or not LE? hmm.gif

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Ringgit drop? sweat.gif
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TechView told me that the increase is today start. I was like, WTF!!!! vmad.gif mad.gif
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Shady as hell. laugh.gif

Btw is it grey import? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 01:37 PM)
I just asked Techview. RM1369 already. Keep increasing price after GTX970 is found to be a dud.  cry.gif
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still attractive imo.. thinking to buy it as my backup gpu brows.gif. unfortunately no money left to burn.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 01:37 PM)
I just asked Techview. RM1369 already. Keep increasing price after GTX970 is found to be a dud.  cry.gif
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wut , i asked them just last week it was rm1249, that made me rethink hard to trade my 970 sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 01:58 PM)
Shady as hell. laugh.gif 

Btw is it grey import? hmm.gif
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I asked them regarding the warranty, they just say is 2 years covered by their shop. Probably it isn't from official MSI distri. Maybe something like what feiton used to do for Powercolor cards.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM)
I asked them regarding the warranty, they just say is 2 years covered by their shop. Probably it isn't from official MSI distri. Maybe something like what feiton used to do for Powercolor cards.
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I thought Feiton is the official PowerColor distributor in Msia? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 01:58 PM)
Shady as hell. laugh.gif 

Btw is it grey import? hmm.gif
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dunno lol

QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 26 2015, 02:18 PM)
still attractive imo.. thinking to buy it as my backup gpu  brows.gif. unfortunately no money left to burn..  sweat.gif
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attractive... maybe refurbished

QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 26 2015, 02:20 PM)
wut , i asked them just last week it was rm1249, that made me rethink hard to trade my 970  sweat.gif
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yeah... 1299 still ok

QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM)
I asked them regarding the warranty, they just say is 2 years covered by their shop. Probably it isn't from official MSI distri. Maybe something like what feiton used to do for Powercolor cards.
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a bit dangerous come to think of it...
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 02:29 PM)
I thought Feiton is the official PowerColor distributor in Msia? hmm.gif
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hm they lost it.. when they gone to Local Shark Loan for a.. investment on their .. buying/bringing in more Powercolor Stock.. unsure.gif

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by way R9 380X or R9 390X (they not yet sure the name for gpu...) Fin testing end Feb 2015.. and maybe out market end March 2015..
http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-380x/
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read few post back see alot ppl talk about Msi lightning edition... waa is it like Sapphire VaporX edition ? too bad is Yellow... like banana
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 26 2015, 05:58 PM)
read few post back see alot ppl talk about Msi lightning edition... waa is it like Sapphire  VaporX edition ? too bad is Yellow...  like banana
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Your Tri-X also yellow. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 06:12 PM)
Your Tri-X also yellow. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 26 2015, 05:58 PM)
read few post back see alot ppl talk about Msi lightning edition... waa is it like Sapphire  VaporX edition ? too bad is Yellow...  like banana
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The different is that MSI Lightning is 3 SLOT rclxm9.gif
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Thanks to this chocobo7779 always promote the 290X Lightning, now I also start to feel like kena poisoned already. sweat.gif
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I'm want of them who deeply poisoned~~~ sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:32 PM)
I'm want of them who deeply poisoned~~~  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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TechView told me that the item is already out of stock. Good luck finding MSI Lightning.
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TechView told me that the item is already out of stock. Good luck finding MSI Lightning.
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This wednesday I asked Viewnet in Lowyat when i wandered around, they said still got stock and rarely a person buy 290X now since GTX 900 series are on the rack...
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Clear stock for 380/390X.  rclxms.gif
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I really hope so... I gonna act on February... decided on cheapo 290X originally... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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TechView told me that the increase is today start. I was like, WTF!!!!  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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U thinking to go for 290X?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:37 PM)
This wednesday I asked Viewnet in Lowyat when i wandered around, they said still got stock and rarely a person buy 290X now since GTX 900 series are on the rack...
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But now got the GTX970 issue. Many scrambling to buy 290X.

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:40 PM)
I really hope so... I gonna act on February... decided on cheapo 290X originally...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Probably a bit late on Lightning.
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U thinking to go for 290X?
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But now got the GTX970 issue. Many scrambling to buy 290X.
Probably a bit late on Lightning.
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Yes, I thinking go on Lightning.
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I'm thinking the same, but unsure buying an 1 year old GPU now are wise enough... but it is durt cheap now, 380X/390X wont be as cheap as this, i guess...

The lightning cooler just make me poisoned deeply...

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I'm thinking the same, but unsure buying an 1 year old GPU now are wise enough... but it is durt cheap now, 380X/390X wont be as cheap as this, i guess...

The lightning cooler just make me poisoned deeply...
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You need to wait 1 year plus for 380x/390x to be cheap.
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by way  R9 380X or R9 390X (they not yet sure the name for gpu...)  Fin testing end Feb 2015.. and maybe out market end March 2015..
http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-380x/
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I saw this... after days of struggling, I finally made decision, now this news just giving me doubt of my current choice sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif Fate ah fate...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 06:46 PM)
You need to wait 1 year plus for 380x/390x to be cheap.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:44 PM)
I'm thinking the same, but unsure buying an 1 year old GPU now are wise enough... but it is durt cheap now, 380X/390X wont be as cheap as this, i guess...

The lightning cooler just make me poisoned deeply...
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Wow... Is that yours? took off just for me... my honour~~~ notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Not my dream card, but i really curious if i bought 290X 8GB how much of the extra vram on gaming especially if i ON the MSAA kao kao~~ hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:59 PM)
Wow... Is that yours? took off just for me... my honour~~~  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Not my dream card, but i really curious if i bought 290X 8GB how much of the extra vram on gaming especially if i ON the MSAA kao kao~~  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I haven't saw any game uses more than 4GB VRAM other than Shadow of Mordor high resolution texture pack.

Also some newer games can't even use MSAA anymore, too demanding already... Have to use SMAA or FXAA now
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2015, 08:57 PM)
I haven't saw any game uses more than 4GB VRAM other than Shadow of Mordor high resolution texture pack.

Also some newer games can't even use MSAA anymore, too demanding already... Have to use SMAA or FXAA now
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COD Advanced warfare got, in the form of 'supersampling', i guess it is a kind of SSAA. Crysis 3 got, watch dog got this option, not using it now...
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:59 PM)
Wow... Is that yours? took off just for me... my honour~~~  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Not my dream card, but i really curious if i bought 290X 8GB how much of the extra vram on gaming especially if i ON the MSAA kao kao~~  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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dont bother, on latest games, turning on anything >2x MSAA will kill your FPS faster than you can say " Not Enough VRAM!"

youll hit GPU perf limit before hitting the VRAM limit
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 09:22 PM)
dont bother, on latest games, turning on anything >2x MSAA will kill your FPS faster than you can say " Not Enough VRAM!"

youll hit GPU perf limit before hitting the VRAM limit
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I guess so... just a wild curiosity, this curiosity making me making some stupid decision before, but never try never know right? doh.gif doh.gif
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I guess so... just a wild curiosity, this curiosity making me making some stupid decision before, but never try never know right?  doh.gif  doh.gif
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no harm trying, i tested long ago

totally unplayable when >x4 MSAA is introduced for modern games
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no harm trying, i tested long ago

totally unplayable when >x4 MSAA is introduced for modern games
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 09:13 PM)
COD Advanced warfare got, in the form of 'supersampling', i guess it is a kind of SSAA. Crysis 3 got, watch dog got this option, not using it now...
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SMAA is different.

For me SMAA is the best AA for now. Performance impact is just few percent like FXAA, but it looks really good.
I have to say I prefer it over MSAA 4x, MSAA looked sharp. MSAA's performance impact may reach 15-30%

Far Cry 4 with SMAA looked awesome.
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SMAA is different.

For me SMAA is the best AA for now. Performance impact is just few percent like FXAA, but it looks really good.
I have to say I prefer it over MSAA 4x, MSAA looked sharp. MSAA's performance impact may reach 15-30%

Far Cry 4 with SMAA looked awesome.
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too bad Nvidia not really like SMAA...
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using your GTX 780? i heard 780 out 6GB version also...
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U thinking to go for 290X?
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I will go for 8gb 290x. No more 4gb.
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mb u try go (or phone) lowyat plaza ask. I more familiar with former pczone, which been changed to viewnet. this wednesday i ask they said still got much stock from old old time, no one buyenthusiast card like lightning when it were priced 2.5k... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

Czone I asked also got

(I specifically ask for MSI lightning, but i saw much of sapphire 290X, both 4GB or 8GB also)

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 10:14 PM)
mb u try go (or phone) lowyat plaza ask. I more familiar with former pczone, which been changed to viewnet. this wednesday i ask they said still got much stock from old old time, no one buyenthusiast card like lightning when it were priced 2.5k...  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

Czone I asked also got

(I specifically ask for MSI lightning, but i saw much of sapphire 290X, both 4GB or 8GB also)
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Actually I meant no more 4gb for me. Just buy 8gb since ps4 have 8gb vram and if ported to pc, need 8gb vram.

Furthermore gtx970 complain about 3.5gb. 4gb is so near.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 10:40 PM)
Actually I meant no more 4gb for me. Just buy 8gb since ps4 have 8gb vram and if ported to pc, need 8gb vram.

Furthermore gtx970 complain about 3.5gb. 4gb is so near.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 10:41 PM)
then we only one one choice left Sapphire 290X 8GB vapor x flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif
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Yes that is our only choice
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In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM)
In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining
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Can you find out what is the lowest price?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM)
In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining
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but i rather waiting what 390X can do 2 fight back

4GB/8GB does not matter rclxms.gif

if times are great,,,i might hop back 2 the red camp again laugh.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM)
In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining
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I ask about Lightning in online stores. All run out of stock.
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Better go to Lowyat. Online store always run out of stock.

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Can you find out what is the lowest price?
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Just a curious question, may I ask the reason behind of your decision of getting a 290X instead of wait for new gen or even newer GTX 980? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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I ask about Lightning in online stores. All run out of stock.
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I think better go for lowyat yourself, if not u may phone them see see
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 27 2015, 09:58 AM)
lel sap sap water laugh.gif

but i rather waiting what 390X can do 2 fight back

4GB/8GB does not matter rclxms.gif

if times are great,,,i might hop back 2 the red camp again laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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I wish too, but concerning the potential astronomical power consumption, if i go for next gen, I don't think the card will be cheap plus a potential cost add-up of power supply unit will make the cost even higher. let say R9 390X cost RM2100 plus PSU at least need RM2700.
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 27 2015, 03:58 PM)
Better go to Lowyat. Online store always run out of stock.
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ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 04:46 PM)
Just a curious question, may I ask the reason behind of your decision of getting a 290X instead of wait for new gen or even newer GTX 980?  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 04:50 PM)
I think better go for lowyat yourself, if not u may phone them see see
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ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order
I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol
yeah, gonna go komtar this weekend...
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yeah. the only 8GB card in the world now are 290X (R9 295x2 are actually dual GPU card of two 290X, if i not mistaken Crossfired or Sli'ed card will not making effective VRAM double as both card need to have the required info input into both VRAM for maximum effect, so R9 295x2 are effectively 4GB card). Do you think 8GB card will make it more future proof? I realize that VRAM requirement of game recently has been increasing recently.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order
I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol
yeah, gonna go komtar this weekend...
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komtar? oh ya if u living near digital mall, u may ask around digital mall as some of the lowyat shop have their branch there.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:39 PM)
yeah. the only 8GB card in the world now are 290X (R9 295x2 are actually dual GPU card of two 290X, if i not mistaken Crossfired or Sli'ed card will not making effective VRAM double as both card need to have the required info input into both VRAM for maximum effect, so R9 295x2 are effectively 4GB card). Do you think 8GB card will make it more future proof? I realize that VRAM requirement of game recently has been increasing recently.
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PS4/Xbox One is 8GB RAM.

So yes, 8GB is the only gfx card that is future proof.

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:42 PM)
komtar? oh ya if u living near digital mall, u may ask around digital mall as some of the lowyat shop have their branch there.
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I live in Penang unfortunately. Here people are very lauyah.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:46 PM)
PS4/Xbox One is 8GB RAM.

So yes, 8GB is the only gfx card that is future proof.
I live in Penang unfortunately. Here people are very lauyah.
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although most review telling me other wise that even 4K gaming will not make use of all 4GB VRAM, but my logic telling me otherwise. all the 8GB card review here show nothing like GPU and VRAM usage and i'm not sure if any scenario of 4GB VRAM being stressed.

One question to ask all pros here, what exactly will HBM impact on the actual performance of card as I'm not sure that current gen 512bit bandwidth has been 100% utilized. if 512bit GDDR5 are yet to be fully utilize, will HBM make any difference? like PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 debate, most result shows that the difference are minimal as most of the card around are not even fully utilize PCIe 2.0 let alone 3.0. Will the same logic applies to the momory bandwidth in GC?

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 07:01 PM)
although most review telling me other wise that even 4K gaming will not make use of all 4GB VRAM, but my logic telling me otherwise. all the 8GB card review here show nothing like GPU and VRAM usage and i'm not sure if any scenario of 4GB VRAM being stressed.

One question to ask all pros here, what exactly will HBM impact on the actual performance of card as I'm not sure that current gen 512bit bandwidth has been 100% utilized. if 512bit GDDR5 are yet to be fully utilize, will HBM make any difference? like PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 debate, most result shows that the difference are minimal as most of the card around are not even fully utilize PCIe 2.0 let alone 3.0. Will the same logic applies to the momory bandwidth in GC?

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Even if future games may require big VRAMs. 4GB VRAM is sufficient simply by lowering the texture settings laugh.gif
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When the time u need 8GB vram, the GPU itself already outdated
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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 07:13 PM)
When the time u need 8GB vram, the GPU itself already outdated
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U may be right, thats why i still considering 290X lightning. even I havent completely ruled out GTX 980. My plan if I go for either 290X, since it is priced dirt cheap now, i buy one while invest some of my fund onto PSU making sure I wont be worried at my rig under powered in the future, then i make another upgrade after 2-3 years depend on game development.

If i go for GTX 980, no need to upgrade my PSU all around, use it for more years only upgrade.

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guys, There's stock of 290X Lightning at Czone. all stock up at their shelves.
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When the time u need 8GB vram, the GPU itself already outdated
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Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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What I know now they shop that supplied with 290X 8GB are viewnet and jayacom, both in lowyat...
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Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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I'm not really sure how they find the problem, i guess they wont use 1080p in resolution...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order
I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol
yeah, gonna go komtar this weekend...
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Sorry didn't noticed you live in Penang. I almost go to Penang island to buy computer hardware but last minute I found what I'm looking for at the computer store near my house. 8GB card is rare though. Maybe it's hard to find one there but it never hurt to check it out yourself.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:04 PM)
Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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By end of the year 290x is outdated 380x/390x is become mainstream

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 08:42 PM)
By end of the year 290x is outdated 380x/390x is become mainstream
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Everything is destined to be obsolete~ even buying 380X, it will be obsolete in 2 years time. of coz it depend on ones sense of 'outdate-ness', 290X maybe replace with newer and more capable model, but it doesn't mean it will simply 'outdated' by my mean, I guess it still perform as high end card for at least 2 years . just like HD 7970, it still lives and staying relatively relevant till today by the name of R9 280X, i guess still no one will say 280X are obsolete by now right?

Personal view,,,

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 08:58 PM)
Everything is destined to be obsolete~ even buying 380X, it will be obsolete in 2 years time. of coz it depend on ones sense of 'outdate-ness', 290X maybe replace with newer and more capable model, but it doesn't mean it will simply 'outdated' by my mean, I guess it still perform as high end card for at least 2 years . just like HD 7970, it still lives and staying relatively relevant till today by the name of R9 280X, i guess still no one will say 280X are obsolete by now right?

Personal view,,,
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Of course, even a 7950 still running strong flex.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 08:58 PM)
Everything is destined to be obsolete~ even buying 380X, it will be obsolete in 2 years time. of coz it depend on ones sense of 'outdate-ness', 290X maybe replace with newer and more capable model, but it doesn't mean it will simply 'outdated' by my mean, I guess it still perform as high end card for at least 2 years . just like HD 7970, it still lives and staying relatively relevant till today by the name of R9 280X, i guess still no one will say 280X are obsolete by now right?

Personal view,,,
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 08:58 PM)
Everything is destined to be obsolete~ even buying 380X, it will be obsolete in 2 years time. of coz it depend on ones sense of 'outdate-ness', 290X maybe replace with newer and more capable model, but it doesn't mean it will simply 'outdated' by my mean, I guess it still perform as high end card for at least 2 years . just like HD 7970, it still lives and staying relatively relevant till today by the name of R9 280X, i guess still no one will say 280X are obsolete by now right?

Personal view,,,
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After 2 years old, only very few games able to use more than 2GB with my 7950 without crapping out the FPS. ph34r.gif

8GB VRAM probably make sense after DX12 imo.
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Even if future games may require big VRAMs. 4GB VRAM is sufficient simply by lowering the texture settings  laugh.gif
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Yeah... they fend pretty good, I don't think their GPU are anyhow bottlenecking, but from what I observed, older card or cards with 2GB VRAM showing their 'age', if i can call that.

My experience, one time I deliberately set watch to highest setting, what i found was the VRAM are all filled up (1.9/2.0GB) but the GPU never over 40% usage, mostly hovering between 25 - 33%
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 27 2015, 09:22 PM)
lel i cant settle 4 LOW/MEDIUM since far cry 1 and crysis 1 days laugh.gif my principle is ULTRA all the way at any big resolutions rclxms.gif brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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For me, at least setting should at least be "high" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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nah.. even the  4+years old HD6950/HD6970 still reliable for today gaming..
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 27 2015, 09:16 PM)
After 2 years old, only very few games able to use more than 2GB with my 7950 without crapping out the FPS.  ph34r.gif

8GB VRAM probably make sense after DX12 imo.
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You are probably right... I might hunt for cheapo 290X lightning icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif but will consider 8GB version also. of cost still got greenish GTX 980 in list but that thing damn expensive

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Its all depends on to what extent u can compromise with the graphic setting, to me i prefer everything set to ultra with 60fps
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Its all depends on to what extent u can compromise with the graphic setting, to me i prefer everything set to ultra with 60fps
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Same here, but since I'm not upgrading every year so i guess i cannot expect my card will perform like new gen after some time. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 09:48 PM)
Same here, but since I'm not upgrading every year so i guess i cannot expect my card will perform like new gen after some time.  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Another option for 290X 8GB, but unsure local distributor will bring in or not?
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last wednesday i asked lowyat viewnet, they got stock of 290X 8GB at d price of 1699 but lightning at price of 1299, dunno it is wrth spend 400 on 4GB extra vram... much review shows against this tho.. but unsure they ever test something that will really stress the 4GB VRAM. no VRAM usage data detected
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 11:46 PM)
last wednesday i asked lowyat viewnet, they got stock of 290X 8GB at d price of 1699 but lightning at price of 1299, dunno it is wrth spend 400 on 4GB extra vram... much review shows against this tho.. but unsure they ever test something that will really stress the 4GB VRAM. no VRAM usage data detected
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Yes, that's what I read too. That 8GB VRAM thingy is more like a gimmick. Okay, it does have some or little improvement but really not much.
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Yes, that's what I read too. That 8GB VRAM thingy is more like a gimmick. Okay, it does have some or little improvement but really not much.
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I guess I should put my money for upgrade my PSU to platinum class? If you ask me, I don't think this is entirely gimmickry as the trending nowm the game are using more and more VRAM and engineers from some company seems lazy to optimize their game (namely ubisoft). For example, apart 2GB VRAM as being 'premium' few years ago, but 2GB now are actually minimum requirement. and much of the game requires more than 3GB VRAM to run on ultra setting.

from what i have observe from Watch dog gaming, one time i deliberately maxed all the setting and see the effect on my HD7870 2GB card. VRAM usage are reaching 2.0GB, mean almost full utilization but GPU never use over 40% mainly hovering from 28-35%. So i don't think AMD GPU are even bottlenecked yet, but the VRAM is the culprit. (observe through Microsoft process explorer.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 09:48 PM)
Same here, but since I'm not upgrading every year so i guess i cannot expect my card will perform like new gen after some time.  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Yes... for "future-proofing" then that's what you should look at... but who can be sure what to expect in the near future. Apart from the few games that do require high VRAM, the vast majority of them do not even fully utilize 4GB. So, if you ask me, I would rather go for the cheaper card (in your case, the 1299 one) rather than the 8GB version.
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Yes... for "future-proofing" then that's what you should look at... but who can be sure what to expect in the near future. Apart from the few games that do require high VRAM, the vast majority of them do not even fully utilize 4GB. So, if you ask me, I would rather go for the cheaper card (in your case, the 1299 one) rather than the 8GB version.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 12:24 PM)
I guess I should put my money for upgrade my PSU to platinum class? If you ask me, I don't think this is entirely gimmickry as the trending nowm the game are using more and more VRAM and engineers from some company seems lazy to optimize their game (namely ubisoft). For example, apart 2GB VRAM as being 'premium' few years ago, but 2GB now are actually minimum requirement. and much of the game requires more than 3GB VRAM to run on ultra setting.

from what i have observe from Watch dog gaming, one time i deliberately maxed all the setting and see the effect on my HD7870 2GB card. VRAM usage are reaching 2.0GB, mean almost full utilization but GPU never use over 40% mainly hovering from 28-35%. So i don't think AMD GPU are even bottlenecked yet, but the VRAM is the culprit. (observe through Microsoft process explorer.
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Based on what you said, I think 290x 8GB will be able to last very long.

The reason people upgrading most probably due to RAM issue.

Let's say

HD7870 2GB only use 40% but 2GB RAM.
But if HD7870 have 4GB, you might not even need to upgrade now.

So let's say 290X 4GB. Probably some stuttering in newer games because low VRAM.
With 290X 8GB no more stuttering.

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In another word:-
290X 4GB
390X 4GB

Running game XXX that need 6GB VRAM.

390X 4GB - 60fps
290X 4GB - 10fps
Reason:- 390X is faster to process so with same RAM, it can generate faster image to keep dumping out and no need to store so long in VRAM.
But 290X is slower than 390X. So it work slowing to store into ram and dump to HDMI.

But...if we use
290X 8GB - 35fps
Why I predict 35fps? Because it has more RAM to store and put out to HDMI.

We all know that once VRAM got full, your FPS will tanked.


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Summary:-
R9 290X 8GB will be future proof.








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Based on what you said, I think 290x 8GB will be able to last very long.

The reason people upgrading most probably due to RAM issue.

Let's say

HD7870 2GB only use 40% but 2GB RAM.
But if HD7870 have 4GB, you might not even need to upgrade now.

So let's say 290X 4GB. Probably some stuttering in newer games because low VRAM.
With 290X 8GB no more stuttering.

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In another word:-
290X 4GB
390X 4GB

Running game XXX that need 6GB VRAM.

390X 4GB - 60fps
290X 4GB - 10fps
Reason:- 390X is faster to process so with same RAM, it can generate faster image to keep dumping out and no need to store so long in VRAM.
But 290X is slower than 390X. So it work slowing to store into ram and dump to HDMI.

But...if we use
290X 8GB - 35fps
Why I predict 35fps? Because it has more RAM to store and put out to HDMI.

We all know that once VRAM got full, your FPS will tanked.
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R9 290X 8GB will be future proof.
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This is what I found, just rerun the test to get the screenshot. Leftmost picture are High setting while next to it are in ultra setting.

Two settings tried, namely High and ultra setting. both utilises similar amount of GPU which are 30-33% and VRAM was maxed out by using 1.9GB out of 2GB. But I found that ultra setting uses 1.5GB of system memory, i guess this is the sign of bottleneck, while High settings wew use only about 500MB System memory.

My experience: High: very playable altho FPS are not that great.
Ultra: stuttering like hell...

Detail :
Ultra setting: everything max out with AA set to MSAA 8x
High setting: everything set to high with AA set to FXAA.

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:01 PM)
This is what I found, just rerun the test to get the screenshot. Leftmost picture are High setting while next to it are in ultra setting.

Two settings tried, namely High and ultra setting. both utilises similar amount of GPU which are 30-33% and VRAM was maxed out by using 1.9GB out of 2GB. But I found that ultra setting uses 1.5GB of system memory, i guess this is the sign of bottleneck, while High settings wew use only about 500MB System memory.

My experience: High: very playable altho FPS are not that great.
                      Ultra: stuttering like hell...

Detail :
Ultra setting: everything max out with AA set to MSAA 8x
High setting: everything set to high with AA set to FXAA.
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This means only 1 thing. Both AMD and nVidia are cheated customer to upgrade every year.

HD7870 are able to play all new game at ULTRA setting.

Just that not enough VRAM.


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:08 PM)
This means only 1 thing. Both AMD and nVidia are cheated customer to upgrade every year.

HD7870 are able to play all new game at ULTRA setting.

Just that not enough VRAM.
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this is exactly what i have interpreted, but none of the 8GB review i read online are match my opinion.



update:
SAPPHIRE announces Radeon R9 290X Tri-X 8GB with triple fan cooler

Sapphire announces another 290X 8GB (Tri-X version)~~ Yesterday punya news... Do this mean 380X will be late? hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:13 PM)
this is exactly what i have interpreted, but none of the 8GB review i read online are match my opinion.
update:
SAPPHIRE announces Radeon R9 290X Tri-X 8GB with triple fan cooler

Sapphire announces another 290X 8GB (Tri-X version)~~ Do this mean 380X will be late?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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With current GTX970 fiasco, we can no long trust review.

We should trust ourselves. Just buy R9 290X 8GB.
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With current GTX970 fiasco, we can no long trust review.

We should trust ourselves. Just buy R9 290X 8GB.
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When will you action? I'm planning maybe before CNY with 290X lightning or 8GB one. But before that need to search for more opinion 1st
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When will you action? I'm planning maybe before CNY with 290X lightning or 8GB one. But before that need to search for more opinion 1st
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Before GST. Probably after CNY. I'll be watching what you do. I might follow your footstep.
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Before GST. Probably after CNY. I'll be watching what you do. I might follow your footstep.
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Seems like I will become a little guinea pig LOL!!!!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif I actually expect to follow your step, If we bought 8GB one i think we will become the only two 8GB user here.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:31 PM)
Seems like I will become a little guinea pig LOL!!!!!! shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  I actually expect to follow your step, If we bought 8GB one i think we will become the only two 8GB user here.
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then we'll be long time no need to upgrade LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Now my Lian Li mITX casing will be empty.
Will get Elite 130 or HAF915R then.

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then we'll be long time no need to upgrade LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Hope so, Ringgit falling now, i saw some part ady start increasing price.
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Ringgit stabilized already... rclxms.gif
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what program is that? very handy. drool.gif
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microsoft process explorer, it is a freeware, you can download it at microsoft website. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ringgit stabilized already...  rclxms.gif
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Wow... good to hear that!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Then next year can buy another 290X 8GB if drop price. And XFIRE IT!!!! rclxms.gif
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Then next year can buy another 290X 8GB if drop price. And XFIRE IT!!!!  rclxms.gif
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Crossfire oh... see 1st see 1st
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You'll most probably need to upgrade your PSU in order to do that as well.
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You'll most probably need to upgrade your PSU in order to do that as well.
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 03:04 PM)
yeah, I'm planning to get A PSU also but not sure which branding to go
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yea... it might sound cliche, but never be stingy with the only source of power for your rig. haha... thumbup.gif

I know that's the next thing I'm going to change for my rig. smile.gif

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yea... it might sound cliche, but never be stingy with the only source of power for your rig. haha...  thumbup.gif
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my choice of brand Cooler Master which i familiar with and Seasonic as well as silverstone whose reputation of breing one of the best PSU brand around
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BTW, someone has leaked the codename for R9 400 series....

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-400-series-gpus...arctic-islands/
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:44 PM)
BTW, someone has leaked the codename for R9 400 series....

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-400-series-gpus...arctic-islands/
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Seasonic mana? brows.gif
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If i go for 4GB MSI lightning, might go for better PSU, like Seasonic X 1050
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BTW, someone has leaked the codename for R9 400 series....

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-400-series-gpus...arctic-islands/
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R# 300 series not come yet already spreading about 400 series~~ blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 07:51 PM)
If i go for 4GB MSI lightning, might go for better PSU, like Seasonic X 1050
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CM V1000 also good and cheap. Can run 290X CrossFire too
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CM V1000 also good and cheap. Can run 290X CrossFire too
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Yeah... I am using Cooler Master PSU since I first build my rig, none of them showed me bad quality, I think there is no need to doubt their reliability. Although single 290X will never stress 1000W PSU, but I'm plan to buy that in case of the future upgrades and Making sure I no need to worry about power supply.

Now I'm still choosing 290X 8GB or 290X lightning 4GB, I know Sapphire mostly using Elpida Memory chip and lightning uses Samsung chip that are well regarded at their quality. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 28 2015, 08:32 PM)
CM V1000 also good and cheap. Can run 290X CrossFire too
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Then next year can buy another 290X 8GB if drop price. And XFIRE IT!!!!  rclxms.gif
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If you able to get a cheap 290X lightning, will u choose it?
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:44 PM)
BTW, someone has leaked the codename for R9 400 series....

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-400-series-gpus...arctic-islands/
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Arctic.
Where it's cold.

I think it's gonna be cooler and energy efficient.. brows.gif

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 07:51 PM)
If i go for 4GB MSI lightning, might go for better PSU, like Seasonic X 1050
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 08:38 PM)
Yeah... I am using Cooler Master PSU since I first build my rig, none of them showed me bad quality, I think there is no need to doubt their reliability. Although single 290X will never stress 1000W PSU, but I'm plan to buy that in case of the future upgrades and Making sure I no need to worry about power supply.

Now I'm still choosing 290X 8GB or 290X lightning 4GB, I know Sapphire mostly using Elpida Memory chip and lightning uses Samsung chip that are well regarded at their quality.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Their low end series are crap. sweat.gif

Well,even if you go for the 8GB 290X,i'm sure it'll run out of processing power before hitting 8GB vRAM IINM. hmm.gif
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If you able to get a cheap 290X lightning, will u choose it?
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 28 2015, 09:54 PM)
Arctic.
Where it's cold.

I think it's gonna be cooler and energy efficient.. brows.gif
Bro,even a good quality 600-650W PSU is enough for it.
Their low end series are crap. sweat.gif

Well,even if you go for the 8GB 290X,i'm sure it'll run out of processing power before hitting 8GB vRAM IINM. hmm.gif
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Wongkoewei prove that AMD and nVidia is running an upgrade scam. Hd7970 able to fill more than 2gb. So obviously 290x able to fill more than 4gb.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 10:00 PM)
Wongkoewei prove that AMD and nVidia is running an upgrade scam.  Hd7970 able to fill more than 2gb. So obviously 290x able to fill more than 4gb.
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Wait what?The HD7970 actually have more than 2GB of vRAM? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 28 2015, 10:02 PM)
Wait what?The HD7970 actually have more than 2GB of vRAM? rclxub.gif
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Wongkoewei test his card able to fill 100% vram. GPU usage 40%. Means if 100% GPU usage of 7970 can fill up to 4gb.

GPU upgrade is scam.
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How cheap?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 10:04 PM)
Wongkoewei test his card able to fill 100% vram. GPU usage 40%. Means if 100% GPU usage of 7970 can fill up to 4gb.

GPU upgrade is scam.
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Bro,the AMD Radeon HD7970 have 3GB GDDR5 vRAM.


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Wait what?The HD7970 actually have more than 2GB of vRAM? rclxub.gif
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I'm using humble HD 7870 2GB non Over clocked version
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Wongkoewei prove that AMD and nVidia is running an upgrade scam.  Hd7970 able to fill more than 2gb. So obviously 290x able to fill more than 4gb.
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Mine one is Sapphire HD 7870 non OC card...
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This is what I found, just rerun the test to get the screenshot. Leftmost picture are High setting while next to it are in ultra setting.

Two settings tried, namely High and ultra setting. both utilises similar amount of GPU which are 30-33% and VRAM was maxed out by using 1.9GB out of 2GB. But I found that ultra setting uses 1.5GB of system memory, i guess this is the sign of bottleneck, while High settings wew use only about 500MB System memory.

My experience: High: very playable altho FPS are not that great.
Ultra: stuttering like hell...

Detail :
Ultra setting: everything max out with AA set to MSAA 8x
High setting: everything set to high with AA set to FXAA.

I hope you all are willing to share your view, your precious view enable me to learn about different point of view. For those who interested, I'm using microsoft process explorer, i hope to see your experience, TQ

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Wrong number. 7870. Hahaha
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Quite an interesting pricing, beside that lightning priced at 1299, sapphire triX also priced 1249 and 1359 for non OC and OC version respectively

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Quite an interesting pricing, beside that lightning priced at 1299, sapphire triX also priced 1249 and 1359 for non OC and OC version respectively
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Quite an interesting pricing, beside that lightning priced at 1299, sapphire triX also priced 1249 and 1359 for non OC and OC version respectively
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I am more bias toward 8gb.

Mantle already use more vram.

I predict direct x 12 also use a lot vram.
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I am more bias toward 8gb.

Mantle already use more vram.

I predict direct x 12 also use a lot vram.
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Tell him to shaddup  laugh.gif
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GPU usage and VRAM usage doesn't really correlate with each other
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GPU usage and VRAM usage doesn't really correlate with each other
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do you think just buy 4GB lightning will be wiser?
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The ceiling for game developer's VRAM requirement when designing a game now would be 2GB, 3GB and 4GB. On rare cases 6GB or 8GB.
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There are so many 4GB cards on the market, I would think that's the target for game developers for years to come.

The ceiling for game developer's VRAM requirement when designing a game now would be 2GB, 3GB and 4GB. On rare cases 6GB or 8GB.
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There are so many 4GB cards on the market, I would think that's the target for game developers for years to come.

The ceiling for game developer's VRAM requirement when designing a game now would be 2GB, 3GB and 4GB. On rare cases 6GB or 8GB.
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GPU usage and VRAM usage doesn't really correlate with each other
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Of course it correlate. GPU usage is GPU processing image and throw into VRAM. GPU doing processing at 40% usage already can fill up 100% VRAM. What that tells you? That tells you that GPU able to fill up VRAM faster than VRAM dumping out to HDMI. rclxms.gif HD7870 is a great card. But hampered by VRAM.

Just like 290X is a great card. It might be hampered by 4GB RAM.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 29 2015, 06:15 AM)
Of course it correlate. GPU usage is GPU processing image and throw into VRAM. GPU doing processing at 40% usage already can fill up 100% VRAM. What that tells you? That tells you that GPU able to fill up VRAM faster than VRAM dumping out to HDMI.  rclxms.gif  HD7870 is a great card. But hampered by VRAM.

Just like 290X is a great card. It might be hampered by 4GB RAM.
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No, what happened was that the game already start using much slower system RAM thus creating a bottleneck, that's why the GPU usage is low.
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It still point to VRAM deficiency. icon_idea.gif
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When the competitor shot themselves in the foot, AMD doesn't just stay silent but help them shoot too  laugh.gif

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Where you got this? brows.gif

Another hit to nVidia.... brows.gif

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Just checked IdealTech's latest pricelist, no more Sapphire 290s? doh.gif doh.gif 

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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming...iew,3107-7.html
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ok smile.gif. soo R9 380x or 390x is coming on June 2015? or March 2015... we gonna found out..
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ok smile.gif.  soo R9 380x or 390x  is coming on June 2015? or March 2015... we  gonna found out..
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? i dunno about you.. but each month pass.. my budget get increase for new GPU biggrin.gif
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? i dunno about you.. but each month pass.. my budget get  increase for new GPU biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 29 2015, 10:14 PM)
If there are any confirmed news of new GPU arriving before GST, I will definitely go for it. I'm concentrating for 290X just following the reason of their dirt cheap pricing now. With similar pricing as GTX 980, I can make it with a 290X plus one decent PSU, may be plus one SSD. If the PSU will not be needed, this option may even offer me much less cost compared with coming gen, which i think it wont be cheap especially for GTX 980 rivalling model~  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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? i dunno about you.. but each month pass.. my budget get  increase for new GPU biggrin.gif
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Increasing and have a enough for a possible 2 way crossfire 390X? biggrin.gif
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hmm.gif  are you okay ?  why you asking same Question Again again ?  go look up previous post alot ppl give you their opinion.  blink.gif
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hmm.gif not yet dare to plan for 2 r9 380x/390x( u sure is r9 390x? not 380x) as my budget is just rm2K un less i sell off  2 r9 290x...
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cut price again now r9 290x = rm 1086.12 rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(meons @ Jan 30 2015, 12:40 AM)
cut price again  now r9 290x  = rm 1086.12 rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(meons @ Jan 30 2015, 12:40 AM)
cut price again  now r9 290x  = rm 1086.12 rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/209412/amd-cash...290x-price.html
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If R9 290X 8GB is RM1400, instant buy for me.
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Malaysia got cut price meh?

If R9 290X 8GB is RM1400, instant buy for me.
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Malaysia got cut price meh?

If R9 290X 8GB is RM1400, instant buy for me.
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even with the price now, which are (1299 for 4GB and 1699 for 8GB) making me care really less for its 'old' age)  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Imagine if like last time 1 usd = 3.25 ringgit. Then $299 is only RM970  shocking.gif
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If can get this price, i really want to get two of them n CF kaw kaw~~  brows.gif  brows.gif
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CF ? Even single card can fill up 4GB. Two R9 290X will need 8GB.

I think now for Crossfire/Sli, we need 8GB per card or 16GB per two card. rclxms.gif
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CF ? Even single card can fill up 4GB. Two R9 290X will need 8GB.

I think now for Crossfire/Sli, we need 8GB per card or 16GB per two card.  rclxms.gif
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Frankly now only a very few case that 4GB will be bottlenecked.

For CF, the effective VRAM will not be increased as both cards will be provided with identical info, mean if a game that will use 3.5GB in single card, it will use up 7GB in total or 3.5GB per card if u go for CF.
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Frankly now only a very few case that 4GB will be bottlenecked.

For CF, the effective VRAM will not be increased as both cards will be provided with identical info, mean if a game that will use 3.5GB in single card, it will use up 7GB in total or 3.5GB per card if u go for CF.
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That's why we need 8GB per card so that when the processing power is twice, the RAM need to go twice icon_rolleyes.gif

Now very few case 4GB bottle neck. But I really don't care about now. I care about DirectX 12 and Mantle. Those two will use huge amount of VRAM drool.gif
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That's why we need 8GB per card so that when the processing power is twice, the RAM need to go twice  icon_rolleyes.gif

Now very few case 4GB bottle neck. But I really don't care about now. I care about DirectX 12 and Mantle. Those two will use huge amount of VRAM  drool.gif
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But I would like to see better games...  I think games these days are prioritizing too much on graphics, instead of gameplay and technical issues. sweat.gif
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Source?  hmm.gif

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 30 2015, 10:19 AM)
A million agree!!! many games i have played actually feel much interesting on their older version, like C&C tiberian series, I like Tiberium wars better than crappy latest end story Tiberium Twilight. Red Alert 2 was the 1st ever game I played, That feeling was soooo great. Many franchises tend to keep similar game play as their predecessors, Like COD series, I actually do not see any difference in gameplay since the first modern warfare when i start played this series, what different just the graphic and so called story (FPS got story???) whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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FPS got story... I mean old ones like CoD 1, which is one of the best FPS I used to play... tongue.gif

BTW, AMD is having a good time with disgruntled 970 owners... whistling.gif

http://wccftech.com/amd-offering-discounts...ry-controversy/

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:31 AM)
FPS got story...  I mean old ones like CoD 1, which is one of the best FPS I used to play... tongue.gif

BTW, AMD is having a good time with disgruntled 970 owners... whistling.gif

http://wccftech.com/amd-offering-discounts...ry-controversy/
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Now they can relieve a bit, but they still got lots more to do as AMD financial situation are no where comparable with Nvidia and Intel. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 30 2015, 10:37 AM)
Now they can relieve a bit, but they still got lots more to do as AMD financial situation are no where comparable with Nvidia and Intel.  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Haha true
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muahaha love amd jabbing nvidia and price cut as well

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 29 2015, 10:30 PM)
hmm.gif not yet dare to plan for 2 r9 380x/390x( u sure is r9 390x? not 380x) as my budget is just rm2K un less i sell off  2 r9 290x...
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Eh,if the 380X comes out,i'm sure 390X will be out too. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 30 2015, 12:29 AM)
come on bro.. you have such an ample space for your casing.. your case demand for crossfire setup. im pretty sure crossfire r9 290x will beat single r9 390x.. so dual r9 390x is a must!  tongue.gif
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at moment... rumor is AIO Hybrid cooler on R9 380X be out first, as R9 390X is out when or a day after/before Nvidia GTX 980 TI/Titan II. yes my case be enough space but... i DO not like Hybrid cooler.. (sorry not Fan for Water cooling.. i know weird but i dun like it)

QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Jan 30 2015, 02:34 PM)
Eh,if the 380X comes out,i'm sure 390X will be out too. tongue.gif

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yes R9 390X be out but.. MY guess/opinion is R9 390X be out to compete GTX 980 TI/TITAN II so R9 380X be out First to take Title "King of HILL"

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by way has anyone try The AMD beta Driver ?

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/amd-ca...x-download.html
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 30 2015, 05:04 PM)
by way has anyone try The AMD  beta Driver ?

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/amd-ca...x-download.html
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I can't find it anywhere in AMD official page~
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 30 2015, 05:17 PM)
I can't find it anywhere in AMD official page~
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 30 2015, 05:53 PM)
it was design for Alienware hardware.. hmm  i dunno i post on here so there be rat labs download and install it smile.gif hehe
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 09:49 AM)
CF ? Even single card can fill up 4GB. Two R9 290X will need 8GB.

I think now for Crossfire/Sli, we need 8GB per card or 16GB per two card.  rclxms.gif
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I play BF4 @4K res @ultra & no AA with 290's CFX, the 4GB vram enough for me. It did run at below 3GB vram. The only time it does maxed out the 4GB vram is when there is memory leak issue in BF4 before. The 8GB may useful if there is memory leak but it only delay the inevitable.

For future proof, depends on whether you want to get the 3xx version later when they come out. If you want to settle with 290X for a while & Crossfire them in the future & probably running higher resolution + multi-monitor setup, then the 8GB card is a good choice. Usually once new 3xx gpus are out, current gpus will be out of stock, including the online store. The only way to get 290/290X gpus anymore that time is by go to lowyat. Also 8GB is considered rare unless more manufactures make 8GB cards too before new gpus come out. Take this into consideration before buying 8GB card. In my opinion, two cards or don't. It just my opinion anyway. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 30 2015, 05:58 PM)
I play BF4 @4K res @ultra & no AA with 290's CFX, the 4GB vram enough for me. It did run at below 3GB vram. The only time it does maxed out the 4GB vram is when there is memory leak issue in BF4 before. The 8GB may useful if there is memory leak but it only delay the inevitable.

For future proof, depends on whether you want to get the 3xx version later when they come out. If you want to settle with 290X for a while & Crossfire them in the future & probably running higher resolution + multi-monitor setup, then the 8GB card is a good choice. Usually once new 3xx gpus are out, current gpus will be out of stock, including the online store. The only way to get 290/290X gpus anymore that time is by go to lowyat. Also 8GB is considered rare unless more manufactures make 8GB cards too before new gpus come out. Take this into consideration before buying 8GB card. In my opinion, two cards or don't. It just my opinion anyway.  smile.gif
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thanks. buy 2 card now or never. I'll take this into consideration. I'm into 8GB due to nVidia fiasco. Nowaday game developer very lazy.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 30 2015, 06:11 PM)
thanks. buy 2 card now or never. I'll take this into consideration. I'm into 8GB due to nVidia fiasco. Nowaday game developer very lazy.
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Nvidia fiasco? apa tu?
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 30 2015, 06:16 PM)
Nvidia fiasco? apa tu?
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If now crossing 3.5GB, down the road in 1 year time, 6GB game will be norm.


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guys... let move on.. smile.gif from Nvidia GTX 970 Vram issues .. the Company have openly admit to its short coming and even offer help to get Refund.. even give/advise boards maker to support the Refund request.. and even explain.. 4GB vram actually 3.5GB vram and another 512mb is conserve or partian it separately for purpose of.. a in case need it (heck do i know) ..watch this video it explain it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74MYv8ldXc
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 30 2015, 06:24 PM)
guys... let move on.. smile.gif from Nvidia GTX 970 Vram issues .. the Company have openly admit to its short coming and even offer help to get Refund.. even give/advise boards maker to support the Refund request.. and even explain.. 4GB vram actually 3.5GB vram and another 512mb is conserve or partian it separately  for purpose of.. a in case need it (heck do i know) ..watch this video it explain it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74MYv8ldXc
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You should read the edited message on the refund advice on the geforce forum. Too bad I didn't take a screenshot of the original message. The mod also edited all quoted message from mod too.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/80...438090/#4438090

Latest Nvidia ignorance.
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/560881138869497856


Well, it's time to say; suck to be Nvidia owner. LOL. Now now, I'm just kidding & just returning the joke. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 30 2015, 05:04 PM)
by way has anyone try The AMD  beta Driver ?

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/amd-ca...x-download.html
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Didn't try because version number is the same with omega driver.

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 30 2015, 06:33 PM)
You should read the edited message on the refund advice on the geforce forum. Too bad I didn't take a screenshot of the original message. The mod also edited all quoted message from mod too.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/80...438090/#4438090

Latest Nvidia ignorance.
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/560881138869497856
Well, it's time to say; suck to be Nvidia owner. LOL. Now now, I'm just kidding & just returning the joke.  smile.gif
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Guess its justifiable for those who actually bought the GTX 980 not to have a handicapped card
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QUOTE(area61 @ Jan 30 2015, 08:27 PM)
Guess its justifiable for those who actually bought the GTX 980 not to have a handicapped card
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lolol your sig,
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yeah and it's the fastest single gpu if oced.

lolol your sig,
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Did you wrote that? shocking.gif
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Did you wrote that? shocking.gif
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haha... R9 290X 4GB Trix/Vaporx <-- Truly are 4GB !
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Bit silly to ask here I guess but how does the sapphire trix 290x compare to the 970? Minus the 4gb bullshit. I'm considering asking etech if they're willing to let me swap my unopened 970 (which I bought from them) for a Sapphire Trix 290x
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QUOTE(xKeneshirox @ Jan 31 2015, 03:59 AM)
Bit silly to ask here I guess but how does the sapphire trix 290x compare to the 970? Minus the 4gb bullshit. I'm considering asking etech if they're willing to let me swap my unopened 970 (which I bought from them) for a Sapphire Trix 290x
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in term of performance, 290x is slightly better.. for me in real world experience, all current top-end cards like 290,290x,780,780ti,970,980 will give you same range of performance and gaming experience.. but its still undeniable bigger GPU memory size will give you better flexibility and versatility in gaming world and less potential of having stuttering.
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which one is preferable between asus r9 290 (warranty 2y 5m left) and sapphire r9 290 (warranty 1y 5m left)?

i got an offer at RM700.

appreciate any views, thanks
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:58 AM)
which one is preferable between asus r9 290 (warranty 2y 5m left) and sapphire r9 290 (warranty 1y 5m left)?

i got an offer at RM700.

appreciate any views, thanks
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If custom cooler then Sapphire is better. The only problem Sapphire have is rattling sound, but my card don't have it.

R9 290X is getting farther away from R9 290 in recent game titles shocking.gif
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:58 AM)
which one is preferable between asus r9 290 (warranty 2y 5m left) and sapphire r9 290 (warranty 1y 5m left)?

i got an offer at RM700.

appreciate any views, thanks
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i think i know where u want to buy brows.gif brows.gif

get the vaporx, its better cooling
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QUOTE(phantom_zero @ Jan 31 2015, 11:01 AM)
i think i know where u want to buy  brows.gif  brows.gif

get the vaporx, its better cooling
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both are reference card, got diff?
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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 31 2015, 09:30 AM)
in term of performance, 290x is slightly better.. for me in real world experience, all current top-end cards like 290,290x,780,780ti,970,980 will give you same range of performance and gaming experience.. but its still undeniable bigger GPU memory size will give you better flexibility and versatility in  gaming world and less potential of having stuttering.
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Never mind. Etech wont exchange. haih shame. Thank you anyway. How is the noise for it anyway?
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 11:13 AM)
both are reference card, got diff?
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just grab the one with longest warranty then

since theyre both on same reference coolers
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 11:13 AM)
both are reference card, got diff?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 31 2015, 01:02 PM)
reference cooler really loud, you sure can tahan?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:58 AM)
which one is preferable between asus r9 290 (warranty 2y 5m left) and sapphire r9 290 (warranty 1y 5m left)?

i got an offer at RM700.

appreciate any views, thanks
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700 bucks for a 290 is a steal. considering it will blow off the useless gtx 960 and the now defunct 780 kepler cards with the stupid driver update nvidia gave.
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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 31 2015, 08:30 AM)
in term of performance, 290x is slightly better.. for me in real world experience, all current top-end cards like 290,290x,780,780ti,970,980 will give you same range of performance and gaming experience.. but its still undeniable bigger GPU memory size will give you better flexibility and versatility in  gaming world and less potential of having stuttering.
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+1 agree with this statement smile.gif
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QUOTE(xKeneshirox @ Jan 31 2015, 03:59 AM)
Bit silly to ask here I guess but how does the sapphire trix 290x compare to the 970? Minus the 4gb bullshit. I'm considering asking etech if they're willing to let me swap my unopened 970 (which I bought from them) for a Sapphire Trix 290x
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Sapphire R9 290X TriX 4GB to go with .... but check price your budget.

QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:58 AM)
which one is preferable between asus r9 290 (warranty 2y 5m left) and sapphire r9 290 (warranty 1y 5m left)?

i got an offer at RM700.

appreciate any views, thanks
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if both is Reference i do not reccomended it unless your planing to change custom Cooler.. if not NO SKIP it get Sapphire R9 290X Trix or VaporX just not REFERENCE cooler.. or you just come back on here LATER TIME COMPLAIN... on the threads...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 31 2015, 06:40 PM)
Sapphire R9 290X TriX 4GB  to go with .... but check price  your budget.
if both is Reference i do not reccomended it unless your planing to change custom Cooler.. if not NO SKIP it get Sapphire R9 290X Trix or VaporX just not REFERENCE cooler.. or you just come back on here LATER TIME COMPLAIN... on the threads...
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will installing a custom cooler void the warranty?
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:47 PM)
will installing a custom cooler void the warranty?
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sapphire tri-X, Asus DCu ii, MSI twin frozr, MSI lightning, Giga windforce all using custom cooler. The reference cooler are in red black colour scheme.
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QUOTE(ycs @ Jan 31 2015, 09:47 PM)
will installing a custom cooler void the warranty?
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Think so. sad.gif They don't want you to mess with their product. BTW, the vanilla 290x already phased out in our country.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 31 2015, 10:17 PM)
Think so.  sad.gif They don't want you to mess with their product. BTW, the vanilla 290x already phased out in our country.
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Depends on manufacturer, certain brands (eg Gigabyte & Sapphire) do not have 'warranty void if remove' sticker on the screw hence if u carefully remove the default cooler without damage the vram & vrm's thermal tape it should be ok. However still recommend opt for non reference card because very hard to find aftermarket cooler suitable to replace reference card cooler unless u go for WC.
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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 31 2015, 10:25 PM)
Depends on manufacturer, certain brands (eg Gigabyte & Sapphire) do not have 'warranty void if remove' sticker on the screw hence if u carefully remove the default cooler without damage the vram & vrm's thermal tape it should be ok. However still recommend opt for non reference card because very hard to find aftermarket cooler suitable to replace reference card cooler unless u go for WC.
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rly ah sweat.gif
i recently contacted sapphire inquiring about thermal pads size to place them between my r9 290 tri-x and my custom backplate..
And their reply was " we don't recommend adding/changing/modding hardware on our cards "
and said that even adding a backplate violate that... and risk of voiding warranty..
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Feb 1 2015, 01:39 AM)
rly ah sweat.gif
i recently contacted sapphire inquiring about thermal pads size to place them between my r9 290 tri-x and my custom backplate..
And their reply was " we don't recommend adding/changing/modding hardware on our cards "
and said that even adding a backplate violate that... and risk of voiding warranty..
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U ask them of course they will say so. I RMA my sapphire Tri-x no problem at all
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QUOTE(llk @ Feb 1 2015, 08:14 AM)
U ask them of course they will say so. I RMA my sapphire Tri-x no problem at all
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mine coming next week rclxms.gif its time 2 retire my i5 750 4 good after 6 years of heavy abuse brows.gif icon_idea.gif

i also plan 2 change PSU 4 my dual card playing in the future...hopefully is the 390X double since i had crank this shit up 1440p

lastly is SSD 512GB with windows 10 perhaps haha

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Gosh feel like bloody Time Slow... when are you coming.. chop chop AMD Graphic... please no Hybrid cooler...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 31 2015, 07:40 PM)
Sapphire R9 290X TriX 4GB  to go with .... but check price  your budget.

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Never mind d. Etech wont exchange my 970 for it so I'm out of luck. Haih. So unlucky. My 970 arrived on the day the news broke.

However, does it matter that I'm playing ONLY at 1080p?

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QUOTE(xKeneshirox @ Feb 1 2015, 01:15 PM)
Never mind d. Etech wont exchange my 970 for it so I'm out of luck. Haih. So unlucky. My 970 arrived on the day the news broke.

However, does it matter that I'm playing ONLY at 1080p?
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For current games, yeah you don't need to worry too much but the card 'lifespan' is gonna be shorter than expected, similar to 660 Ti.
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QUOTE(xKeneshirox @ Feb 1 2015, 01:15 PM)
Never mind d. Etech wont exchange my 970 for it so I'm out of luck. Haih. So unlucky. My 970 arrived on the day the news broke.

However, does it matter that I'm playing ONLY at 1080p?
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bro be happy smile.gif thumbup.gif you own GTX 970 3.5GB vram (another 0.5 on different partition when need it be available but at lower speed still 4x faster than System RAM) and if YOU GAME on 1080p or 1440P in any setting you be all GOOD just performance hit when you game on 4K resolution..(hit minimal..) flex.gif
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Taken from Robert Hallock a.k.a Thracks' tweet.
TL;DR, when u use split-frame rendering in multi-GPUs configuration, your effective VRAM capacity is actually (VRAM capacity per card * Total card)? I don't really understand, i thought split-frame rendering already available many years ago. hmm.gif

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Sauce: https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/561708827662245888


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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 1 2015, 09:01 PM)
Taken from Robert Hallock a.k.a Thracks' tweet.
TL;DR, when u use split-frame rendering in multi-GPUs configuration, your effective VRAM capacity is actually (VRAM capacity per card * Total card)? I don't really understand, i thought split-frame rendering already available many years ago.  hmm.gif 

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Sauce: https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/561708827662245888
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This means 295x2 is actually 8gb card if the game support mantle.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 1 2015, 09:06 PM)
This means 295x2 is actually 8gb card if the game support mantle.
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And if the game support Split-Frame rendering, so far only CIV: Beyond Earth support it in Mantle, not BF4/DA:I/Thief iirc.
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Planning to grab R9 290X since it's going to be cheaper, wanted to go for GTX 970 initially tongue.gif

Any recommendations?
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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Feb 2 2015, 02:30 AM)
Planning to grab R9 290X since it's going to be cheaper, wanted to go for GTX 970 initially tongue.gif

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Lightning probably the best, if you can find one that is still RM1200+ it's a steal, since good custom GTX 970 is even more expensive.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 1 2015, 09:13 PM)
And if the game support Split-Frame rendering, so far only CIV: Beyond Earth support it in Mantle, not BF4/DA:I/Thief iirc.
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If you Crossfire 290x 8GB, you effectively got 16GB VRAM!!!! drool.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 2 2015, 12:16 PM)
If you Crossfire 290x 8GB, you effectively got 16GB VRAM!!!!  drool.gif
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Nope, the VRAM will be mirrored (i.e. the maximum usable VRAM is 8GB in this case), and not doubled. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 2 2015, 01:17 PM)
Nope, the VRAM will be mirrored (i.e. the maximum usable VRAM is 8GB in this case), and not doubled. icon_idea.gif
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please la... dun jump in without reading everything...we're talking about mantle and split frame rendering... doh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 2 2015, 01:28 PM)
please la... dun jump in without reading everything...we're talking about mantle and split frame rendering...  doh.gif
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Because you told me CFX ma... whistling.gif

BTW, Mantle won't be going anywhere without widespread adoption... whistling.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 2 2015, 01:29 PM)
Because you told me CFX ma... whistling.gif

BTW, Mantle won't be going anywhere without widespread adoption... whistling.gif icon_idea.gif
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Imagine if the GTA V supports Mantle rumours were true. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 2 2015, 01:29 PM)
Because you told me CFX ma... whistling.gif

BTW, Mantle won't be going anywhere without widespread adoption... whistling.gif icon_idea.gif
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Yalar, cfx + mantle + split frame la.. adui...
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Mantle's frametime is the most amazing thing biggrin.gif

Too smoothhh
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 2 2015, 01:30 PM)
Imagine if the GTA V supports Mantle rumours were true. tongue.gif
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If GTA:V support Mantle, AMD already post the news 6 months ago. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 2 2015, 01:56 PM)
If GTA:V support Mantle, AMD already post the news 6 months ago. tongue.gif
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Or even..you go to the game menu,and then "Enable Mantle".. brows.gif *dreaming*
I hope Rockstar keep their promise about the recommended rig specifications..hopefully not a bad port. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 30 2015, 10:19 AM)
A million agree!!! many games i have played actually feel much interesting on their older version, like C&C tiberian series, I like Tiberium wars better than crappy latest end story Tiberium Twilight. Red Alert 2 was the 1st ever game I played, That feeling was soooo great. Many franchises tend to keep similar game play as their predecessors, Like COD series, I actually do not see any difference in gameplay since the first modern warfare when i start played this series, what different just the graphic and so called story (FPS got story???) whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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I was thinking of getting a Wii U... Since there are little titles on PC that really entices me. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 2 2015, 04:11 PM)
Or even..you go to the game menu,and then "Enable Mantle".. brows.gif *dreaming*
I hope Rockstar keep their promise about the recommended rig specifications..hopefully not a bad port. sweat.gif
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ok, I wish for mantle patch for GTA5 later... am I asking too much? drool.gif

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 1 2015, 09:13 PM)
And if the game support Split-Frame rendering, so far only CIV: Beyond Earth support it in Mantle, not BF4/DA:I/Thief iirc.
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hmm.gif thanx for that info... but for the game not yet support split-Frame rendering.. but support Mantle maybe.. Maybe it can be added support ? or developer not tend to add something may brake the overall game.. ? because Theif / leechdom support dual mantle.. is shame not support this new tech.. hm... and on Civ: beyond earth.. i dun think game is that demanding as i just Glide thru Frame on 4K ultra setting lolx biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 2 2015, 08:51 PM)
ok, I wish for mantle patch for GTA5 later... am I asking too much?  drool.gif
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you guys saw new EVGA superClock gpu ? WOW 2.2Ghz Gpu core and mem or 8.9ghz.. mofo... wooo got like 20K on single 3DMARK Firestrike... wooiloi... it kill R9 380x or r9 390X that suppose be out in few month... wehh but price gilo eh 750usd for 1 gpu+ malaysia seller TAX hmm + seller us dollar Flux charge... hehe = 1,000usd..+ haha

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Sid meier CiV Beyond Earth wow Mantle dual Gpu on 4K 8x/16/ EQAA on all High setting gameplay is smooth... but after 10 minute im bored to the death.. off to Dying Light... but TECH WORK ! oh happy days...
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hi guys, just curious is 6970 able to play unity at 1080p with decent FPS ? Thanks =3
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Feb 2 2015, 10:42 PM)
Sid meier CiV Beyond Earth  wow Mantle dual Gpu on 4K 8x/16/ EQAA  on all High setting gameplay is smooth...  but after 10 minute im bored to the death.. off to Dying Light...  but TECH WORK ! oh happy days...
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CFX not working in Dying Light right?

QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Feb 2 2015, 11:06 PM)
hi guys, just curious is 6970 able to play unity at 1080p with decent FPS ? Thanks =3
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Define "decent FPS". hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Feb 2 2015, 11:06 PM)
hi guys, just curious is 6970 able to play unity at 1080p with decent FPS ? Thanks =3
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you might need to turn down some of the settings, especially anti aliasing and ambient occlusion, both are fps 'killers'
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 2 2015, 11:13 PM)
CFX not working in Dying Light right?
Define "decent FPS". hmm.gif
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I think it is working, both my 290 99% loading
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QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Feb 2 2015, 11:06 PM)
hi guys, just curious is 6970 able to play unity at 1080p with decent FPS ? Thanks =3
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I presume your definition for decent FPS is >30FPS... hmm.gif

Anyway, AC Unity is pretty badly optimized... Strangely, I don't know how Ubisoft has one of the worst ports of this gen while they managed to craft games with amazing quality (i.e. UbiArt games such as Child of Light). rclxub.gif
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Well, what gogo2 said is pretty much accurate wink.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539218/robert-...lti-gpu-configs

Now, all we need is games that take advantage of this.... But when? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 10:28 AM)
I presume your definition for decent FPS is >30FPS... hmm.gif

Anyway, AC Unity is pretty badly optimized...  Strangely, I don't know how Ubisoft has one of the worst ports of this gen while they managed to craft games with amazing quality (i.e. UbiArt games such as Child of Light). rclxub.gif
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Ubisoft's logic:
Quality > Game performance
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 10:29 AM)
Well, what gogo2 said is pretty much accurate wink.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539218/robert-...lti-gpu-configs

Now, all we need is games that take advantage of this....  But when? hmm.gif
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So..if you're using e.g. R9 280X 3GB CFX,you have 6GB vRAM then? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 3 2015, 11:15 AM)
Ubisoft's logic:
Quality > Game performance
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So..if you're using e.g. R9 280X 3GB CFX,you have 6GB vRAM then? hmm.gif
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No, not really, but their AAA games was horrible, but their smaller titles are much better. sweat.gif

Yes, if and only if the games support Mantle. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 11:31 AM)
No, not really, but their AAA games was horrible, but their smaller titles are much better. sweat.gif

Yes, if and only if the games support Mantle. icon_idea.gif
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I wonder why would they release a game that is badly optimized when they can delay it,but if they do it that way,then maybe short temper ( laugh.gif ) gamers would've protest.. sweat.gif

If it's true,then maybe game developers might want to add Mantle ro rheir games. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 3 2015, 11:52 AM)
I wonder why would they release a game that is badly optimized when they can delay it,but if they do it that way,then maybe short temper ( laugh.gif ) gamers would've protest.. sweat.gif

If it's true,then maybe game developers might want to add Mantle ro rheir games. hmm.gif
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Unfortunately, nVidia can coax developers to use GameWorks by handing them wads of bills and publicity... whistling.gif sweat.gif
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Power figures and temps for the R9 300 series has been leaked, thanks to Chiphell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539306/r9-300-...erature-figures

Take this as a huge grain of salt. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 02:25 PM)
Power figures and temps for the R9 300 series has been leaked, thanks to Chiphell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539306/r9-300-...erature-figures

Take this as a huge grain of salt. icon_idea.gif
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Well,if those pictures are true,i'm guessing that Arctic Islands will be the series in which the power consumption will be lower? icon_idea.gif
It's cooler though,could be a hint of it using the same cooler as 295X2. tongue.gif hmm.gif

Meanwhile on wikipedia,i've no idea if i should believe this. laugh.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_300_Series

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 3 2015, 02:54 PM)
Well,if those pictures are true,i'm guessing that Arctic Islands will be the series in which the power consumption will be lower? icon_idea.gif
It's cooler though,could be a hint of it using the same cooler as 295X2. tongue.gif  hmm.gif

Meanwhile on wikipedia,i've no idea if i should believe this. laugh.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_300_Series
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that load power tho shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 2 2015, 11:13 PM)
CFX not working in Dying Light right?
Define "decent FPS". hmm.gif
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hmm.gif on 3840x2160 resolution setting High only disable is the NvidiaGamework option the rest is on or High and gameplay is Smoooth... smile.gif so crossfire have to work right ? or unless single R9 290X magically become powerful in my rig.. lolx
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 10:29 AM)
Well, what gogo2 said is pretty much accurate wink.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539218/robert-...lti-gpu-configs

Now, all we need is games that take advantage of this....  But when? hmm.gif
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hm is already been done just need manually activate it on Sied mier CiV Beyond Earth
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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Feb 3 2015, 11:52 AM)
I wonder why would they release a game that is badly optimized when they can delay it,but if they do it that way,then maybe short temper ( laugh.gif ) gamers would've protest.. sweat.gif
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big developer made a game... they have to release it cause holding it back too fix or optimized bug seem to be Costing them more money.. this base on game( a Dev game simulation ) biggrin.gif
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soo 290x 8GB will be futureproof? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(matni01 @ Feb 4 2015, 10:10 AM)
soo 290x 8GB will be futureproof? biggrin.gif
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Not really hahhah

Because the rumored performance jump for the next gen GPU is pretty big.
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R9 290X is just sweat heat of performance R9 380/390X GPU... 20-40% increase in performance... not TDP...
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 02:25 PM)
Power figures and temps for the R9 300 series has been leaked, thanks to Chiphell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539306/r9-300-...erature-figures

Take this as a huge grain of salt. icon_idea.gif
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I take the graphs with a huge hope that it's legit and this is the 380x. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Feb 4 2015, 12:49 PM)
I take the graphs with a huge hope that it's legit and this is the 380x.  tongue.gif
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of course it's Legit ! is from internet! they not Nvidia... promote 4GB but 3.5Gb... rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 02:25 PM)
Power figures and temps for the R9 300 series has been leaked, thanks to Chiphell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539306/r9-300-...erature-figures

Take this as a huge grain of salt. icon_idea.gif
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that score shocking.gif .. suddenly i felt like gtx 980 no more an enthusiast grade gpu doh.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 3 2015, 02:25 PM)
Power figures and temps for the R9 300 series has been leaked, thanks to Chiphell:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1539306/r9-300-...erature-figures

Take this as a huge grain of salt. icon_idea.gif
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Very good load temperature. But the load power...
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QUOTE(khelben @ Feb 4 2015, 02:58 PM)
Very good load temperature. But the load power...
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Most probably an AIO cooler like the 295x2. Kinda expected and not bad since it is comparable with 290x because it's a GCN1.2 like the Tonga with much larger die area compare to Hawaii.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Feb 4 2015, 02:58 PM)
Very good load temperature. But the load power...
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Arctic Islands could solve that... brows.gif

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