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wongkoewei
post Jan 22 2015, 09:24 PM

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Hi all, I'm currently a single HD 7870 user and a previous HD7870 Crossfire user (Asus + sapphire, Asus 7870 died a few months ago). I would like to upgrade my GPU before our grand GST arrive.

Would 290X lightning still be a viable choice? since the competitor green camp been quite aggressive lately.
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post Jan 23 2015, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 22 2015, 11:50 PM)
Can't go wrong with the Lightning if you can still get it around 1.2k-1.3k, what's your PSU though?
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Sad fact my current PSU are 620W Cooler Master Silent Pro M2, and it most probably not sufficient to support 290X lightning beast. Planning to buy 850W PSU from either Cooler Master, Seasonic or Silverstone. The most thing i need to consider it 290X + PSU are roughly at GTX 980 price, this make me as the long time ATI/AMD card user feel a bit in dilemma.

My options are as below:

1. 290X Lightning + Cooler Master V1000 = 1299+649=1948
2. 290X Lightning + Seasonic X1050 = 1299+795=2094
3. GTX 980 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 2299
4. GTX 980 (Leadtek) = 1999
5. GTX 970 (ASUS/GIGA/MSI) = 1499
6. Sapphire 290X 8GB + CM V1000 = 1699+649 = 2348

Another enquiry, do you think the 8GB VRAM worth the price premium?
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post Jan 23 2015, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 23 2015, 11:55 AM)
Are you going to overclock this beast? brows.gif
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not a single thought... smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
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post Jan 23 2015, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 12:03 PM)
What is the rest of your system? laugh.gif Your PSU is sufficient for a 290x imo.
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Both MSI and Sapphire website show that the minimum requirement of PSU are 750W

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-LIG...o-specification
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...n=&lid=1&leg=0#

Since R9 300 series is approaching, do you think 290X still be a viable purchase? I would like to make a final upgrade before our Government April fool present :GST

My current system spec:

i5-4670K
16GB DDR3 1600MHz value RAM
Giga Z87X D3H
Sapphire HD 7870 GHz
1.5TB + 2TB WD green
Cooler Master V6GT CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 620W
Corsair Carbide 400R


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post Jan 23 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 01:29 PM)
Nah, your PSU is fine. The Lightning power consumption is similar to other aftermarket 290x.

PCPER Lightning test system only use 412 watt of power on load with 3960X processor.
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Tomshardware tested the card only use 258watt average on Heaven benchmark loop with some occasional spikes to 400+ watts. Your PSU should be able to hand those. Even when overclocked to 1150mhz the card only consume 272watt on average when gaming.
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Thanks for the info, I have read essentially all the reviews around regard of the 290X. just concern of the PSU requirement of the official website which almost all state 750W as minimum. If no need to change my PSU, RM 1299 for 290X lightning will be very tempting.

btw, I'm considering also the Sapphire 290X 8GB at price 1699. do you think the price premium worth?
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post Jan 23 2015, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 23 2015, 03:00 PM)
Now near the end of January already, if me I'll wait for 300 series. Your HD7870 still can play latest games too.

If tak boleh wait better for for cheap GTX970... (lol i know it's Radeon subforum) or get a 2nd hand r9 290?
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Yes indeed... but no one can sure 380X 390X will be available before GST and i may need to buy a new PSU for the new card as the rumored liquid cooler gave me impression that it may use astronomical amount of power. I personally prefer Radeon card more (dunno why~) brows.gif brows.gif
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post Jan 23 2015, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 23 2015, 03:24 PM)
If you plan to run with high resolution multi-monitor setup, it'll be worth it. However for 4k & higher resolution, you'll need more than one card to get nice fps though. If you plan only single monitor, 4GB is more than enough. I'd get 290x lightning. Your PSU is enough for single card.
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Thanks for your precious opinion, if 290X against GTX 970, will 290X be a better buy?
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post Jan 23 2015, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 06:48 PM)
Of course

290x dirctx 11
970 DirectX 12

Anyway I will buy lightning
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U will buy 290X lightning? I'm considering that too...although not excel in power efficiency, it perform well and the price are good enough. Just curious that my 620W PSU can run this beast, if not then I may need to pay for another PSU or just grab GTXes.

I think 290X will most probably been updated to run DirectX 12 in future. plus, All of the game currently will backward compatible with DX 9 and i think it will be the case to DX 11. plus there will be a few years before the game designing firm completely ditch DX 11

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post Jan 23 2015, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 03:26 PM)
Unless you're going to CFX them, 8GB is pretty useless imo. Unseen83 play at 4K res with 2x 4GB 290x CFX and he don't have problem with the 4GB framebuffer... i think.
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I see... thanks for ur advice. I do think when 4GB VRAM ever become not sufficient, the GPU itself might become obsolete already. Time for upgrade if that happen then lol~
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 23 2015, 03:24 PM)
If you plan to run with high resolution multi-monitor setup, it'll be worth it. However for 4k & higher resolution, you'll need more than one card to get nice fps though. If you plan only single monitor, 4GB is more than enough. I'd get 290x lightning. Your PSU is enough for single card.
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thanks for your precious advice! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif if compared to newer GTX 980 or 970, do you think 290X lightning will still be a good buy? especially compared with 970
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 23 2015, 07:19 PM)
To me is depends on the PCB & cooler design, for example if Gainward/Leadtek GTX970 vs 290x Lightning, i definitely will choose the latter, but if gigabyte windforce gtx 970 vs 290x lightning then i might choose the former. I personally like full length PCB & big cooler, it look great inside the casing (provided your casing has side window)
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same here... I like big ass cooler heat sink which look really cool! and it gave me feeling of its capability to cool things. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

gigabyte windforce GTX 980/970 looks really good, if I ever go for Nvidia, will seriously consider GTX 980 windforce as my choice, but I'm not sure that if my Corsair 400R casing with Max 318mm GPU spec can put 312mm Gigabyte GTX 980 or not.
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 07:27 PM)
290x will support DX12 just maybe not fully support it.
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 07:30 PM)
Not fully means not supported. Who wanna buy a card now that does not support dx12 ?
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my amateur thinking is the Direct X thing are software, Hardware are not gonna do much with DirectX support, just the chip maker hence AMD or Nvidia decide which card shell be supported.
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM)
Totally expected since Microsoft haven't finalize DX12. There's no card in the market right now that is "fully" support DX12.
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My guess is there will take years for market to fully adopt DX 12 since most of games nowadays still using DX 11 or even DX 9 nowadays. The market may slowly adopt this new API or just being ignored like DX 10
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:02 PM)
Sucks for 290x owner
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Why 290X be suck since there are no single DirectX 12 optimized game yet in the market? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jan 24 2015, 05:42 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:30 PM)
June 2015~~ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have to pay GST for that!!! btw, is this wccftech site reliable? saw a bunch of leaks from this site.
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post Jan 24 2015, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(jiesheng22 @ Jan 23 2015, 09:13 PM)
@@ and nvidia still lansi about their 'low power' gpu
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that is their 'strong point' that why they are bragging non stop... flex.gif flex.gif
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post Jan 24 2015, 05:56 AM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 24 2015, 01:54 AM)
if you got 4K lcd go for 8GB VRAM biggrin.gif  if Vram so important to you wait for R9 380X... HBM  haha  but  on my 4K lcd with 2x R9 290X vapor/Trix..  all game play 30Fps +  some game even got 55FPS  when AA is off...  but i got no exp with 8GBVRAM... but if i hav money yeah i get 8GB vram gpu lolX
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I'm just a 1080p player (Dell p2314H 23" 60Hz ) that do not wish my FPS to drop. Do you think I should just go for 290X lightning or take 8GB vapor X? I guess the former will make better sense at the price point. Plus not really sure my tiny cute 620W PSU (main +12V rail 50A) will be sufficient for 290X lightning or not. It is enough for me to crossfire my HD 7870 previously though, until my ASUS 7870 die off, and I'm still using my leftover Sapphire HD 7870.

my concern with 8GB Vapor X are just at the price point, worse case scenario since i might need to change my PSU, it will make this solution around the price of single GTX 980 from ASUS giga MSI etc. (290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309; GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While, 290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909; GTX 980 leadtek=1999 this is the major dilemma i'm encountering unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif )

PS: I'm unable to claim warranty as the sticker containing serial number dropped and don't know where it flied. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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post Jan 24 2015, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 06:13 AM)
frankly, low TDP hardware works best if
1. youre building mITX system where cooling is a huge concern
2. you actually cared of the savings per year from using less power hardware
3. youre on a mobile device

but were on a desktop, power consumption shouldnt affect us that much (unless youre extremely sensitive to minor changes in electric bills)
IMHO, impossible. im on a GTX780 that was supposedly overkill for 1080p. yet im getting fluctuating frames on games that i should breeze through (no, im not even CPU bottlenecked yet)

the only way for you to confirm a solid 60FPS, is to lower graphical details. dont even think of touching AA settings unless you want to see plummeting frames whenever a graphical intensive scene appears

and dont be too fussed on 290X's power requirements. i OCed my GTX780 quite high even with a 650W and my PSU isnt even struggling to juice it up. you rarely see GPU throttled by lack of power unless you deliberately feed it lack of power
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Wow... thanks for your advice!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif . May I ask you some more advice regard of my possible choice?

290X 8GB + CM V1000 PSU = 1660+649=2309;
GTX 980 strix = RM 2299; While,
290X lightning + CM V1000 = 1260+649=1909;
GTX 980 leadtek=1999

this is the major dilemma i'm encountering. I really do hope I can get around with my 620W PSU. Then the total cost of getting 290X will be significantly lower and i can get some SSD to play from the money saved or i will just save the money.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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post Jan 24 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 24 2015, 12:21 PM)
you dont need a 1000W

even a solid 850W Gold is good to go for dual CFx/SLi setups

the 620W is fine, just use it first. if you started encountering lack of power symptoms then only you upgrade. (ie. PC shutdown while under intense load)

just do a little test before making PSU purchase. plug in new card, run Furmark for 15mins. if it passes that, you should have no issues already.
this is not applicable for all scenarios

most 3rd party GPU coolers like Strixx, Windforce, Twin Frozr are already pretty quiet even under heavy load at 70% fan speed (you dont even need to ramp up speed cause its damn efficient already)

when idling, theyre on 0db mode as well. if you can hear noise from that, its either electrical noise from the parts or your case fans

only when during reference cards is where higher TDP might equate to more noise. but frankly, i dont even find my 780 at 50% noisy. only when i ramp up to 80% is where i consider pretty noisy.

tldr : GPU coolers these days are pretty efficient to the point they can dissipate even 300W of power with no need to spin fans at 6k RPM (cept AMD ref cooler, that thing is just plain bad)
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Thanks for your precious advice, will try use my 620W PSU first and see if i ever go for 290X lightning. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif



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