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post Aug 29 2014, 09:19 PM, updated 11y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is part of iFAST Corporation Pte. Ltd. ("iFAST Corp"), which is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong and Malaysia. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corp, via its wholly-owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

iFAST Corp has two corporate shareholders. They are SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, Singapore's largest media group, and DMG & Partners Securities Pte Ltd (a joint-venture between RHB Investment Bank Berhad and Deutsche Asia Pacific Holdings Pte Ltd). In recent years, iFAST Corp has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corp launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Link to v1
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Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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Finally new thread again! V7!
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@Pink Spider, but I don't think they're employing similar strategy even though both are investing in Bolehland.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 29 2014, 10:54 PM)
@Pink Spider, but I don't think they're employing similar strategy even though both are investing in Bolehland.
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EIEIF is more income-focused, yes.

But both are more focused in large caps and blue chips, I.e. not heavy in smaller cap stocks. I wouldn't hold both lo
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Is this the big one? FDI will hear about the Selangor issue now, is that catalyst enough to trigger a correction?

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AmAsia Pacific Equity Income is the feeder fund for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD.
NAV change on 28/8/14 for AmAsia Pacific Equity Income was -0.41% while comparative NAV change for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD was -0.36%.

sometime feeder fund's performance just relatively poor than target fund.


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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Aug 29 2014, 11:48 PM)
AmAsia Pacific Equity Income is the feeder fund for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD.
NAV change on 28/8/14 for AmAsia Pacific Equity Income was -0.41% while comparative NAV change for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD was -0.36%.

sometime feeder fund's performance just relatively poor than target fund.
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What do you mean sometimes, feeder funds are like MLM.. they buy the funds from the target fund company, the target fund company wants to make money, the feeder fund company also wants to make money, in the end same performance but one has more expenses smile.gif


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Difference in return could be induced from foreign exchange.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 30 2014, 07:35 AM)
Difference in return could be induced from foreign exchange.
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I think both will be USD right, otherwise what will the other fund be denominated in.

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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Aug 29 2014, 11:48 PM)
AmAsia Pacific Equity Income is the feeder fund for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD.
NAV change on 28/8/14 for AmAsia Pacific Equity Income was -0.41% while comparative NAV change for BlackRock Global Funds - Asia Pacific Equity Income A2 USD was -0.36%.

sometime feeder fund's performance just relatively poor than target fund.
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1. Expenses
2. Foreign currency movement
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It has been a suckish month for equities. Only my money market give me the most return this month of Aug-14.

So it is another new month, time to consult my crytal ball aka my algo. Since FSM website is down, I will do it after I come back from Merdeka holiday.

Happy birthday 58th birthday Malaysia...

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 30 2014, 02:04 PM)
It has been a suckish month for equities. Only my money market give me the most return this month of Aug-14.

So it is another new month, time to consult my crytal ball aka my algo. Since FSM website is down, I will do it after I come back from Merdeka holiday.

Happy birthday 58th birthday Malaysia...

Xuzen
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Crystal ball is dependent on whether site is up? Hmm, I have a new crystal ball.. testing now, it seems to say we are in for a bit of downtime, but not sure as to the accuracy yet.


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Does anyone here buy any AMDIST or fixed income funds whch give out mnthly dividnds ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 31 2014, 01:08 PM)
Does anyone here buy any AMDIST or fixed income funds whch give out mnthly dividnds ?
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AMDIST is acronym for ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 31 2014, 01:08 PM)
Does anyone here buy any AMDIST or fixed income funds whch give out mnthly dividnds ?
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Dividend is irrelevant in the context of unit trust.

Please take time to read Post #1.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Aug 31 2014, 02:19 PM)
AMDIST is acronym for ?
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M for Monthly

DIST for Distribution

Don't knw what A stnds for.

But any funds or unit trust whch gives out a monthly dividnd has the word 'AMDIST' in its name. Do a search in the FSM website. YOu will see such funds provided our BNM has givn the approval to FSM to retail-sell thes AMDIST fnds in Msia.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 31 2014, 01:43 PM)
M for Monthly

DIST for Distribution

Don't knw what A stnds for.

But any funds or unit trust whch gives out a monthly dividnd has the word 'AMDIST' in its name. Do a search in the FSM website. YOu will see such funds provided our BNM has givn the approval to FSM to retail-sell thes AMDIST fnds in Msia.
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If u mean fixed NAV income fund, I know one AmCash Management Fund which NAV is fixed at RM1.0000 and gives monthly income. Also provides chequebook facility.

Not available thru FSM. U have to go direct to AmInvestment/AmBank to apply for it.

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Anyone having EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS BALANCED FUND?

Thingking to take a risk to put my CMF $$ in here.. may not touch in 6 - 8 months.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 31 2014, 02:53 PM)
Anyone having EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS BALANCED FUND?

Thingking to take a risk to put my CMF $$ in here.. may not touch in 6 - 8 months.. tongue.gif
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for 6~8 mths time frame with the current volatility uncertainty of US interest rate upward announcement....+ the SC charges of the funds and with the return of the funds "NOT expected" to exceed MUCH compared to CMF...

I would buy into CMF and wait for the expiry of the 6~8 mths
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 31 2014, 03:09 PM)
If u mean fixed NAV income fund, I know one AmCash Management Fund which NAV is fixed at RM1.0000 and gives monthly income. Also provides chequebook facility.

Not available thru FSM. U have to go direct to AmInvestment/AmBank to apply for it.
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Pink Spider, thank you. I'll chk it out.

Looks lik nobodyis intrested in AMDIST fnds here.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 31 2014, 04:03 PM)
Pink Spider, thank you. I'll chk it out.

Looks lik nobodyis intrested in AMDIST fnds here.
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Because the rate of return is not attractive at all, it's more for liquidity than for return. I'm talking in relation to AmCash Management Fund.

And fixed income funds are not really in flavour at the moment.

Back to my earlier post/reply to you, monthly dividend/distribution or not, it's really not important. What we as investors want is for the fund to grow our wealth; if you need regular monthly income, u don't really need the fund manager to "distribute" to you, just sell off your profit (if any) for the month. This has the SAME effect as the fund manager paying dividend/distribution to u.

For the reasoning behind this, go see my examples and illustrations on Post #1.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 31 2014, 06:56 PM)
Because the rate of return is not attractive at all, it's more for liquidity than for return. I'm talking in relation to AmCash Management Fund.

And fixed income funds are not really in flavour at the moment.

Back to my earlier post/reply to you, monthly dividend/distribution or not, it's really not important. What we as investors want is for the fund to grow our wealth; if you need regular monthly income, u don't really need the fund manager to "distribute" to you, just sell off your profit (if any) for the month. This has the SAME effect as the fund manager paying dividend/distribution to u.

For the reasoning behind this, go see my examples and illustrations on Post #1.
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Okay,. thank you again, Pink,...
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Guys, Tomorrow FSM people working? The call center I meant..some shit happened to my money during the maintainance..need to call them so settle this matter
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 31 2014, 02:53 PM)
Anyone having EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS BALANCED FUND?

Thingking to take a risk to put my CMF $$ in here.. may not touch in 6 - 8 months.. tongue.gif
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bought on 30/7/2014, profit on 28/8/2014 was -2.53%. hmm.gif
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bought on 30/7/2014, profit on 28/8/2014 was -2.53%. hmm.gif
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You mean you actually bought it? Or you just checking the past one month performance?
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Aug 31 2014, 08:49 PM)
Guys, Tomorrow FSM people working? The call center I meant..some shit happened to my money during the maintainance..need to call them so settle this matter
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They're closed today (September 1st, 2014) as Malaysian market also closes.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 1 2014, 07:07 AM)
They're closed today (September 1st, 2014) as Malaysian market also closes.
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Ok bro.. thanks sad.gif
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 1 2014, 07:46 AM)
Ok bro.. thanks sad.gif
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Don't worry la...everything has history and audit trail nowadays smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2014, 09:22 AM)
Don't worry la...everything has history and audit trail nowadays smile.gif
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he accidentaly voided his purchase after buying..
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i thought after paid, cant void?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 1 2014, 09:27 AM)
he accidentaly voided his purchase after buying..
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i thought after paid, cant void?
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Before FSM confirm receipt of the transfer/money, can void.

Select purchase(s) > Confirm > Pay by FPX/Interbank GIRO >>> FSM confirm receipt

During ">>>", u CAN void. How u know he did that? He told u? Why so hand itchy? sweat.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2014, 09:48 AM)
Before FSM confirm receipt of the transfer/money, can void.

Select purchase(s) > Confirm > Pay by FPX/Interbank GIRO >>> FSM confirm receipt

During ">>>", u CAN void. How u know he did that? He told u? Why so hand itchy? sweat.gif  doh.gif
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he confirmed receipt on day one.. on day 2 he got void..
during Saturday 4pm, maintenance time?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2014, 09:48 AM)
Before FSM confirm receipt of the transfer/money, can void.

Select purchase(s) > Confirm > Pay by FPX/Interbank GIRO >>> FSM confirm receipt

During ">>>", u CAN void. How u know he did that? He told u? Why so hand itchy? sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Haha..actually I did two purchases.
1st never pay yet
2nd already paid, even get the fpx receipt that the transfer was successful

So I wanted to void the first one, but accidentally voided the 2nd one which I had paid..I thought the paid one won't appear in the void screen and at the void screen don't have any info such as the contract no or anything

Since first time trying, so I don't know la that even paid one but didn't process yet would appear at the void screen

So now my rm500 floating somewhere in their account for the 2nd purchase which I already void..that's why I want to call them to explain them and either refund or unvoid the 2nd purchase and carry on the process

Seems like tomorrow only I can call..hopefully they understand
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 1 2014, 10:30 AM)
Haha..actually I did two purchases.
1st never pay yet
2nd already paid, even get the fpx receipt that the transfer was successful

So I wanted to void the first one, but accidentally voided the 2nd one which I had paid..I thought the paid one won't appear in the void screen and at the void screen don't have any info such as  the contract no or anything

Since first time trying, so I don't know la that even paid one but didn't process yet would appear at the void screen

So now my rm500 floating somewhere in their account for the 2nd purchase which I already void..that's why I want to call them to explain them and either refund or unvoid the 2nd purchase and carry on the process

Seems like tomorrow only I can call..hopefully they understand
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I guessed rightly, u messed up at the ">>>" stage tongue.gif

Aiyo no worries lar, just talk to LiveHelp tomorrow smile.gif
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Public holiday everyone still so fired up lurking around here tongue.gif

Or just surfing cause waiting for gf to come out from the shop tongue.gif
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Public holiday everyone still so fired up lurking around here tongue.gif

Or just surfing cause waiting for gf to come out from the shop tongue.gif
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Sitting in front of laptop idling since 9AM mega_shok.gif grumble.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2014, 10:33 AM)
I guessed rightly, u messed up at the ">>>" stage tongue.gif

Aiyo no worries lar, just talk to LiveHelp tomorrow smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 1 2014, 11:04 AM)
Public holiday everyone still so fired up lurking around here tongue.gif

Or just surfing cause waiting for gf to come out from the shop tongue.gif
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Have been lurking around in kopitiam since morning
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2014, 12:15 PM)
Sitting in front of laptop idling since 9AM mega_shok.gif  grumble.gif
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Public holiday... morning go eat breakfast and relax outside paling syiok la.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 1 2014, 04:14 PM)
Public holiday... morning go eat breakfast and relax outside paling syiok la..  tongue.gif
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Quite boring.. preparing for tomorrow.. smile.gif

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Quite boring.. preparing for tomorrow.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 1 2014, 04:50 PM)
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 1 2014, 05:50 PM)
usual day working in office. no off day for me  doh.gif
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Triple pay la.. smile.gif
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You mean you actually bought it?  Or you just checking the past one month performance?
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Triple pay la.. smile.gif
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Yea lucky people smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 09:55 AM)
CIMB Dynamite Income! biggrin.gif
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How much holdings you have on CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 2 2014, 09:58 AM)
How much holdings you have on CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund?
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38% Eastspring GEM
17% Hwang Ponzi
6% CIMB Dynamite Income
7% Hwang Select Opp
15.5% Aberdeen World
15.5% CIMB Titans

My ori plan was to have 35% in GEM

THat's why wanna increase a bit Dyanmite biggrin.gif

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My ori plan was to have 35% in GEM

THat's why wanna increase a bit Dyanmite biggrin.gif
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what method u guys use for averaging ?
- value averaging ?
-dollor cost averaging ?
- ??


Pls advisse me notworthy.gif

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call them this morning to settle my problem and i have only 1. thing to say:

the fsm customer center has the best customer service i had seen throughout my life..damn fast they settle my problem, by just making a new purchase and use that money for that new purchase..problem solved in 5 mins,

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QUOTE(cutepet @ Sep 2 2014, 10:13 AM)
what method u guys use for averaging ?
- value averaging ?
-dollor cost averaging ?
- ??
Pls advisse me  notworthy.gif
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In my opinion Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging

QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 10:13 AM)
call them this morning to settle my problem and i have only 1. thing to say:

the fsm customer center has the best customer service i had seen throughout my life..damn fast they settle my problem, by just making a new purchase and use that money for that new purchase..problem solved in 5 mins,

thumbs up to them
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 10:13 AM)
call them this morning to settle my problem and i have only 1. thing to say:

the fsm customer center has the best customer service i had seen throughout my life..damn fast they settle my problem, by just making a new purchase and use that money for that new purchase..problem solved in 5 mins,

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In my opinion Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging
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Dude - not just yr opinion - statistical fact given long term data testing by some white paper folks tongue.gif
er.. i'd have to dig it out if U guys want to read it - shared way earlier in PM or FSM or Mutual Fund thread (can't recall which - getting older & senile-er) sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 10:13 AM)
call them this morning to settle my problem and i have only 1. thing to say:

the fsm customer center has the best customer service i had seen throughout my life..damn fast they settle my problem, by just making a new purchase and use that money for that new purchase..problem solved in 5 mins,

thumbs up to them
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cool.. now u can gain more confident go with FSM ! Happy investing
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Dude - not just yr opinion - statistical fact given long term data testing by some white paper folks tongue.gif
er.. i'd have to dig it out if U guys want to read it - shared way earlier in PM or FSM or Mutual Fund thread (can't recall which - getting older & senile-er)  sweat.gif
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Found some new places brows.gif brows.gif
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Hello Mr DA™ brows.gif
Found some new places brows.gif  brows.gif
Last nite... brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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That one "Trading" lar, not mutual fund investing tongue.gif
Anyhow, some folks (or 1) trade mutual funds too - so.. not out-of-topic laugh.gif

found a new place too - 24hrs trading neh brows.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 10:19 AM)
Dude - not just yr opinion - statistical fact given long term data testing by some white paper folks tongue.gif
er.. i'd have to dig it out if U guys want to read it - shared way earlier in PM or FSM or Mutual Fund thread (can't recall which - getting older & senile-er)  sweat.gif
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First time hearing Average Value investing.. AV investing.. drool.gif
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First time hearing Average Value investing.. AV investing..  drool.gif
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Value Averaging I think!
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VCA == value cost averaging
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DCA == dollar cost averaging

VCA == value cost averaging
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DCA vs DVA

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Sorry, Master. I can't remember the terminology! notworthy.gif
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Boss thanks for info..I read this but still not so sure on how the value averaging works..I know how dca works.

Care to simplify on how dva works?
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Congrats~ haha.. at least you dint lose your money~
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 2 2014, 10:20 AM)
cool.. now u can gain more confident go with FSM ! Happy investing
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 10:39 AM)
That one "Trading" lar, not mutual fund investing tongue.gif
Anyhow, some folks (or 1) trade mutual funds too - so.. not out-of-topic laugh.gif

found a new place too - 24hrs trading neh  brows.gif
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Boss thanks for info..I read this but still not so sure on how the value averaging works..I know how dca works.

Care to simplify on how dva works?
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Value Investing
Found this link smile.gif
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 02:36 PM)
Boss thanks for info..I read this but still not so sure on how the value averaging works..I know how dca works.

Care to simplify on how dva works?
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Simplified example...

U started with 2 funds, ABC and XYZ with RM1K each

DCA:
Every month u blindly top up RM100 on each fund

DVA:
Month 1
ABC: RM1.1K
XYZ: RM900
U top up RM200 on XYZ. Nothing on ABC

Month 2
ABC RM1.2K
XYZ: RM1.1K
U top up XYZ RM100. Nothing on ABC

Get it?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 02:42 PM)
Value Investing
Found this link smile.gif
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Dude - i have a tingling feeling U will be very rich by 35-40 (you're still college/teens now right?),
even by just being an employee but managing yr assets well.

Resourceful AND specifically, correct idea U found.
Even the book is the "bible" for VA - the only book i found which incorporates "expected returns through time" (ie. expectedCAGR) into a VA methodology.

When done into a spreadsheet - U can use it for 1 fund/ETF OR entire portfolio.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
Dude - i have a tingling feeling U will be very rich by 35-40, even by just being an employee but managing yr assets well.
Resourceful AND specifically, correct idea U found.
Even the book is the "bible" for VA - the only book i found which incorporates "expected returns through time" (ie. expectedCAGR) into a VA methodology.

When done into a spreadsheet - U can use it for 1 fund/ETF OR entire portfolio.
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I 30 but still surviving only...not rich sad.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
Dude - i have a tingling feeling U will be very rich by 35-40 (you're still college/teens now right?),
even by just being an employee but managing yr assets well.

Resourceful AND specifically, correct idea U found.
Even the book is the "bible" for VA - the only book i found which incorporates "expected returns through time" (ie. expectedCAGR) into a VA methodology.

When done into a spreadsheet - U can use it for 1 fund/ETF OR entire portfolio.
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HAHA drool.gif drool.gif
If i can get rich by then.. 35 years old is 16 years from now.. tongue.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
Lai go eat buffet~
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 02:42 PM)
Value Investing
Found this link smile.gif
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Thank u thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
Simplified example...

U started with 2 funds, ABC and XYZ with RM1K each

DCA:
Every month u blindly top up RM100 on each fund

DVA:
Month 1
ABC: RM1.1K
XYZ: RM900
U top up RM200 on XYZ. Nothing on ABC

Month 2
ABC RM1.2K
XYZ: RM1.1K
U top up XYZ RM100. Nothing on ABC

Get it?
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Crystal clear...thank u
QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 02:54 PM)
HAHA drool.gif  drool.gif 
If i can get rich by then.. 35 years old is 16 years from now.. tongue.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
Lai go eat buffet~
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Wait,,u baru 19 tahun? Damn u 1 year younger than me...most people at our age wont even think of investing...spend macam own the world end up nothing in bank...
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Thank u  thumbup.gif
Crystal clear...thank u

Wait,,u baru 19 tahun? Damn u 1 year younger than me...most people at our age wont even think of investing...spend macam own the world end up nothing in bank...
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Generation Y and/or Z has FAMA foundation.

Generally, they tend to enjoy what they earn.
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Generation Y and/or Z has FAMA foundation.

Generally, they tend to enjoy what they earn.
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Very true...i can see this happen alot in my uni..parents give 1.5k , by end of month tinggal less than 50 only
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 02:54 PM)
HAHA drool.gif  drool.gif 
If i can get rich by then.. 35 years old is 16 years from now.. tongue.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
Lai go eat buffet~
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 2 2014, 03:11 PM)
Generation Y and/or Z has FAMA foundation.

Generally, they tend to enjoy what they earn.
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I have it nice and comfy til uni...then now my turn to suffer. Cos my parents got no savings and EPF fully used doh.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 2 2014, 03:11 PM)
Generation Y and/or Z has FAMA foundation.

Generally, they tend to enjoy what they earn.
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 03:13 PM)
Very true...i can see this happen alot in my uni..parents give 1.5k , by end of month tinggal less than 50 only
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T.T I see my dad help me with FAMA scholarship, i also kelian d..


QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 03:14 PM)
ahem ahem - build first, THEN spend within 3%pa
NOT spend first, then build yar  doh.gif
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I meant when i am 35:P
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T.T I see my dad help me with FAMA scholarship, i also kelian d..
I meant when i am 35:P
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Takpe bro...we save, then by 30 we help them and we also enjoy haha tongue.gif
Suffer now, enjoy later


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 03:14 PM)
ahem ahem - build first, THEN spend within 3%pa
NOT spend first, then build yar  doh.gif
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Ur siggy, very good life lessons. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
Simplified example...

U started with 2 funds, ABC and XYZ with RM1K each

DCA:
Every month u blindly top up RM100 on each fund

DVA:
Month 1
ABC: RM1.1K
XYZ: RM900
U top up RM200 on XYZ. Nothing on ABC

Month 2
ABC RM1.2K
XYZ: RM1.1K
U top up XYZ RM100. Nothing on ABC

Get it?
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That's one of, at least 3 ways, to do it smile.gif
hint hint that's entire portfolio-style WITHOUT CAGR expectations and cost expectations
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 03:24 PM)
That's one of, at least 3 ways, to do it smile.gif
hint hint that's entire portfolio-style WITHOUT CAGR expectations and cost expectations
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 03:28 PM)
tunjuk ajar ku seefoo notworthy.gif
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real sifu = author of the book
go buy tongue.gif

see-food (eat food) only converted it to Excel heheh.
Wait - snapshot for sharing later in this post.
Attached Image

If i share the Excel - i worry most folks wont know how to use unless i write a "mini manual".
i too dang lazy. sweat.gif
Ok ok - XLSX here in ZIP format BUT pls go analyze yrself them formulas ar
Simple concept = YELLOW CELLS are for U to type in your variables
Pls dont expect mini bible manual - go understand them formulas AND make the sheets your own

Provided 2 worksheets as eg

1 for ETF CIMBC25: buy/sell cost about 1%+, expected 8%pa CAGR, expected sell trigger 20%, per period = 4 mths, minimum transaction RM2,850
VS
1 for mutual funds via FSM (hey, we are on FSM thread right): buy cost about 2%, Sell cost 0%, the rest is the same for easier comparison and easier example for me tongue.gif
Lazy...
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 03:37 PM)
real sifu = author of the book
go buy tongue.gif

see-food (eat food) only converted it to Excel heheh.
Wait - snapshot for sharing later in this post.

<space for snapshot here>

If i share the Excel - i worry most folks wont know how to use unless i write a "mini manual".
i too dang lazy. sweat.gif
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i would want an ecel..
but for funds, how to we do VAI?
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So fueled up since first time investing in something different than public mutual, until every hour refresh email for purchase receipt..

Until now still dont have never process yet haha sweat.gif
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i would want an ecel..
but for funds, how to we do VAI?
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These abbreviations, u got a link for this abbreviations like vai, cagr etc etc...? I ask this to fsm, until now no reply haha
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 03:20 PM)
Takpe bro...we save, then by 30 we help them and we also enjoy haha tongue.gif
Suffer now, enjoy later
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sama sama jadi Financial Independent..


QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 03:59 PM)
So fueled up since first time investing in something different than public mutual, until every hour refresh email for purchase receipt..

Until now still dont have never process yet haha sweat.gif
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Err.. haha rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Well, my 1st few days too..
but it will be processed tmrw i think.. haha
Unless they give u VIP access..
Chill man.. haha the RSP is on the 15th of every month smile.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

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These abbreviations, u got a link for this abbreviations like vai, cagr etc etc...? I ask this to fsm, until now no reply haha
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No la, but if you start to read and ask when you don't know, i can TRY to help..
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Unless you open a thread and start compiling!
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 04:03 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif 
sama sama jadi Financial Independent..
Err.. haha  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
Well, my 1st few days too..
but it will be processed tmrw i think.. haha
Unless they give u VIP access..
Chill man.. haha the RSP is on the 15th of every month smile.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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No la, but if you start to read and ask when you don't know, i can TRY to help..
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Unless you open a thread and start compiling!
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Very well then

What is RSP, VAI,

And also CAGR in wongmunkeong 's reply?
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 2 2014, 04:07 PM)
Very well then

What is RSP, VAI,

And also CAGR in wongmunkeong 's reply?
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RSP Regular Savings Plan
VAI Value Averaging Investing
CAGR Compound Annual Growth Rate

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IS it allowed to like upload the book?

Value Averaging: The Safe and Easy Strategy for Higher Investment Returns

I found it online..
I just wanna share..
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 04:10 PM)
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RSP Regular Savings Plan
VAI Value Averaging Investing
CAGR Compound Annual Growth Rate

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Thanks

QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 2 2014, 04:11 PM)
IS it allowed to like upload the book?

Value Averaging: The Safe and Easy Strategy for Higher Investment Returns

I found it online..
I just wanna share..
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Most probably illegal to upload, but still pm me link
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Value Cost Averaging or Value Averaging:
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...=3334901&st=89#
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 2 2014, 04:37 PM)
Value Cost Averaging or Value Averaging:
Screenshot & Excel samples
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...=3334901&st=89#
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Downloaded rclxms.gif THX!
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FSM Fund Choice for September 2014!

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4954

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 05:25 PM)
FSM Fund Choice for September 2014!

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4954

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rclxms.gif  Can be the next FSM analysis tongue.gif
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Usually this is done by David83, dunno why today he so slowpoke tongue.gif
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Dude - not just yr opinion - statistical fact given long term data testing by some white paper folks tongue.gif
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Only applies if you are trading stocks directly.. funds are all over the place. If a fund manager is good, the value of the fund goes up. So what you are saying is, with VCA the better he gets, the less you are going to invest? smile.gif


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IS it allowed to like upload the book?

Value Averaging: The Safe and Easy Strategy for Higher Investment Returns

I found it online..
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Only applies if you are trading stocks directly.. funds are all over the place. If a fund manager is good, the value of the fund goes up. So what you are saying is, with VCA the better he gets, the less you are going to invest? smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 2 2014, 09:40 PM)
Only applies if you are trading stocks directly.. funds are all over the place. If a fund manager is good, the value of the fund goes up. So what you are saying is, with VCA the better he gets, the less you are going to invest? smile.gif
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in a way, yes... invest less in a bull rally. In a market rally, fund manager no good, fund can also go up. smile.gif

But need to clarify that we're taking into account the value of the investment, not directly looking into the price level of the share or mutual fund, to determine the amount of additional re-investment. Thus, it can apply to both share and UT.

Say, investing 1k each month over 10 months.

DCA (Regardless of the total value of the investment, objective is to spend 10k.):
1st month 1k
2nd month 2k (cumulative total), 3rd month 3k, 4th month 4k,.... 10th month 10k.


VA (Objective is to have an investment valued at 10k.):
1st month 1k
2nd month, top up to 2k.
3rd month, top up to 3k,.... 10th month, top up to 10k.


So in market rally, need to invest less amount of $$$ to reach the desired investment value of $10k.

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in a way, yes... invest less in a bull rally. In a market rally, fund manager no good, fund can also go up.  smile.gif

But need to clarify that we're taking into account the value of the investment, not directly looking into the price level of the share or mutual fund, to determine the amount of additional re-investment. Thus, it can apply to both share and UT.

Say, investing 1k each month over 10 months.

DCA (Regardless of the total value of the investment, objective is to spend 10k.):
1st month 1k
2nd month 2k (cumulative total), 3rd month 3k, 4th month 4k,.... 10th month 10k.
VA (Objective is to have an investment valued at 10k.):
1st month 1k
2nd month, top up to 2k.
3rd month, top up to 3k,.... 10th month, top up to 10k.
So in market rally, need to invest less amount of $$$ to reach the desired investment value of $10k.
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Okay now assume two fund managers, one which is good, and one which is not so good. Fund manager A loses money in a bull run, fund manager B makes money. So it would follow that fund A's value drops in a bull run, and fund B's value goes up.

So now following VCA, you will be throwing more money at fund A and less money at fund B. If everyone does that, the funds which perform the worst, will have the most funding. Does that make sense to you?

Now assume that there's a market downturn, and fund A loses even more money, while fund B, because of superior stock-picking skills, manage to make even more money. The result of this is.. fund B is again punished for being really good, while loser fund B gets even more money. Again, this makes no sense.

The reason va works for individual stocks is that stocks can be overvalued. There's only one counter, and if it becomes overvalued, it becomes overvalued. It is not a fund. A fund has a cash component. Unless it is a passive index fund, it needs more money to chase more prospects.

Suppose I told you this, that I want to make 10k profit only this month. So if you are my sales person, the more money you make for me, the less I am going to pay you. The day you make 10k, I am going to totally stop paying you. And somehow you think this is a good idea.

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Okay now assume two fund managers, one which is good, and one which is not so good. Fund manager A loses money in a bull run, fund manager B makes money. So it would follow that fund A's value drops in a bull run, and fund B's value goes up.

So now following VCA, you will be throwing more money at fund A and less money at fund B. If everyone does that, the funds which perform the worst, will have the most funding. Does that make sense to you?

Now assume that there's a market downturn, and fund A loses even more money, while fund B, because of superior stock-picking skills, manage to make even more money. The result of this is.. fund B is again punished for being really good, while loser fund B gets even more money. Again, this makes no sense.

The reason va works for individual stocks is that stocks can be overvalued. There's only one counter, and if it becomes overvalued, it becomes overvalued. It is not a fund. A fund has a cash component, unless it is a passive index fund, it needs more money to chase more prospects.

Suppose I told you this, that I want to make 10k profit only this month. So if you are my sales person, the more money you make for me, the less I am going to pay you. The day you make 10k, I am going to totally stop paying you. And somehow you think this is a good idea.
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Yeah right, we must evaluate our position in a fund time to time..
Value Averaging does not 100% success rate..
But definitely will allow you to Buy Low, Sell High..

Value Averaging Investing
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Okay now assume two fund managers, one which is good, and one which is not so good. Fund manager A loses money in a bull run, fund manager B makes money. So it would follow that fund A's value drops in a bull run, and fund B's value goes up.

So now following VCA, you will be throwing more money at fund A and less money at fund B. If everyone does that, the funds which perform the worst, will have the most funding. Does that make sense to you?

Now assume that there's a market downturn, and fund A loses even more money, while fund B, because of superior stock-picking skills, manage to make even more money. The result of this is.. fund B is again punished for being really good, while loser fund B gets even more money. Again, this makes no sense.

The reason va works for individual stocks is that stocks can be overvalued. There's only one counter, and if it becomes overvalued, it becomes overvalued. It is not a fund. A fund has a cash component. Unless it is a passive index fund, it needs more money to chase more prospects.

Suppose I told you this, that I want to make 10k profit only this month. So if you are my sales person, the more money you make for me, the less I am going to pay you. The day you make 10k, I am going to totally stop paying you. And somehow you think this is a good idea.
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Your method above hinges only on alpha generated by THE fund manager.

VCA, DCA & other mechanical "no fear / no greed" method is not hinging on THE fund manager but on the logic of buying more (whether units or value) when low, and not buying too much (or even selling/rebalancing) when high.

If U choose to compare that way, might as well compare your method VS asset and sub-asset allocation right?
Different roads to the same goals - gains.

BTW, in reality - looking for THE fund manager(s) to generate superb alphas, how many is there + how much "one is willing to bet on that horse"
VS
using mechanical "no fear / no greed", one just plods along.

Of course, why not marry them both?
eg. 60% mechanical, 40% picking?
just like some folks doing ETF / mutual funds AND stock picking (and/or trading).
Reason: when trading or stock picking - usually one doesn't "sai lang" and go whole hog in. Position sizing is used to control exposure and pontential blow-ups VS potential returns).

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Gonna RSP Rm100 in it
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rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  nice
Gonna RSP Rm100 in it
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Minimum Subsequent Investment RM 500
Minimum RSP Investment RM 100

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Buy high, sell higher OR Buy low, sell high? brows.gif
OR totally main tikam / random?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 3 2014, 10:14 AM)
Minimum Subsequent Investment RM 500 
Minimum RSP Investment  RM 100

So unfair...force ppl to do RSP only cry.gif
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Haha but still 1% SC right tongue.gif
can top up during this month
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Buy high, sell higher OR Buy low, sell high?  brows.gif
OR totally main tikam / random?

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GUYS, TODAY I want to do rsp, why dont have cimb funds? not in the list
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GUYS, TODAY I want to do rsp, why dont have cimb funds? not in the list
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CIMB is not under the RSP special list.. you need to have a minimum of RM500 first to do it..
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CIMB is not under the RSP special list.. you need to have a minimum of RM500 first to do it..
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Ooo ok bro..now I have :
1 kenanga growth fund
2 hwang quantum fund
3 abardeen Islamic fund
Tomorrow when my second purchase get through, I'll go for cimb
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Ooo ok bro..now I have :
1 kenanga growth fund
2 hwang quantum fund
3 abardeen Islamic fund
Tomorrow when my second purchase get through, I'll go for cimb
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Rm500 for cimb tomorrow..
The other 3 I mentioned RSP rm100,150,200 respectively..haha

This is my initial investment icon_rolleyes.gif
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Minimum Subsequent Investment is RM500 T.T
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Was looking back at FSM articles. AIWEF was also FSM Fund Choice in Oct 2013. Oh well, already invested in AIWEF. nod.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 3 2014, 12:41 PM)
Was looking back at FSM articles. AIWEF was also FSM Fund Choice in Oct 2013. Oh well, already invested in AIWEF.  nod.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 3 2014, 08:32 AM)
Yeah right, we must evaluate our position in a fund time to time..
Value Averaging does not 100% success rate..
But definitely will allow you to Buy Low, Sell High..

Value Averaging Investing
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Don't just read, read and follow blindly, need to think a bit what you have read, la. Putting up links also useless when you don't grasp what it is about. (Sorry, don't mean to be critical or offensive, but sometimes need to be blunt a bit. icon_rolleyes.gif )

What I have posted is Value Averaging method in a nutshell.

Value Averaging, Dollar Cost Average, and Lump Sum are 3 methods of spending a fixed sum of money.

Lump sum, you spend it in one shot, while the 2 averaging methods, you splits the investment into several investments over a period of time.

All of them has nothing to do with timing, or buying when the price has reached a certain level. Nothing to do with 'Buy low, sell high'. Nothing to do with how high or how low the market level is.

1. You got a sum of money.
2. You know what fund to buy.
3. You buy the fund using one of the above method.

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Instead of being wishy-washy and spread the sum of money over a period of time, lump sum one short purchase may be the best method. But of course, you don't sink all into one fund when the sum of money is large enough to start a portfolio of funds. You buy some bonds and some into equities...

One of the many articles on this debate of Lump-sum vs. Averaging:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/putting-a...-off-2012-11-02

And as in one of the comments in the article:
"People dollar cost average for a reason. The money they are investing comes from their pay checks. If they don't have tomorrow's pay check how can they invest it today."


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But many people use this method.

The Feel Good Method of Investing.

1) Make a budget and determine how much you can spare each month. Say, RM400.
2) If feel tight, and barely surviving, invest RM100.
3) If feel tight, but still okay, invest RM200.
4) If feel good and no problem, invest RM300.
5) If feel rich and generous, invest RM0.

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real sifu = author of the book
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see-food (eat food) only converted it to Excel heheh.
Wait - snapshot for sharing later in this post.
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If i share the Excel - i worry most folks wont know how to use unless i write a "mini manual".
i too dang lazy. sweat.gif
Ok ok - XLSX here in ZIP format BUT pls go analyze yrself them formulas ar
Simple concept = YELLOW CELLS are for U to type in your variables
Pls dont expect mini bible manual - go understand them formulas AND make the sheets your own

Provided 2 worksheets as eg

1 for ETF CIMBC25: buy/sell cost about 1%+, expected 8%pa CAGR, expected sell trigger 20%, per period = 4 mths, minimum transaction RM2,850
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Lazy...
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Was looking back at FSM articles. AIWEF was also FSM Fund Choice in Oct 2013. Oh well, already invested in AIWEF.  nod.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 3 2014, 09:44 AM)
Your method above hinges only on alpha generated by THE fund manager.


All funds (unless they are passive) hinge on the performance of the fund manager, which is why good fund managers rock (and are the exception btw.)

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VCA, DCA & other mechanical "no fear / no greed" method is not hinging on THE fund manager but on the logic of buying more (whether units or value) when low, and not buying too much (or even selling/rebalancing) when high.


The problem with this is that with companies (ones with huge moats) you can VCA it because at one point, it becomes too expensive. Funds never become "too expensive". You can't calculate the EBITDA or PER or whatever of a fund and say, this is too high smile.gif so this means that the price of a fund is nothing but an indicator of how much it is worth now, a numerical representation of the performance of the fund manager.

If the fund manager is perfect, the price pretty much always goes up regardless of the index. Unfortunately no one is perfect, that's why it doesn't smile.gif if we were to consider this possibility though, wouldn't it happen that if everyone is doing VCA, a perfect fund manager will eventually run out of fresh funds? smile.gif the reward for being perfect is no fresh funds, but the reward for being really crappy is more money lol.

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BTW, in reality - looking for THE fund manager(s) to generate superb alphas, how many is there + how much "one is willing to bet on that horse"
VS
using mechanical "no fear / no greed", one just plods along.


Not against DCA, I just think VCA is not applicable to actively-managed funds.

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Of course, why not marry them both?
eg. 60% mechanical, 40% picking?
just like some folks doing ETF / mutual funds AND stock picking (and/or trading).
Reason: when trading or stock picking - usually one doesn't "sai lang" and go whole hog in. Position sizing is used to control exposure and pontential blow-ups VS potential returns).
Thinking of that, but have to consider opportunity cost. The thing about equities is brokerage cost. The minimum cost applied by most brokerages means that commissions can be really high for low amounts. Commission on the standard 1K in mutual funds is 2%, so Rm20. After that it is still 2%, so a Rm100 top up is just Rm2.

Now suppose the same scenario in stocks. First 1K is 0.1%, which is RM1, but then minimum charge Rm8, so Rm8.

After that, Rm100 top-up is also Rm8.

If you DCA long enough, you will realize that brokerage on equities > commission on mutual funds for low amounts smile.gif



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With that, I have no more holdings with Public Mutual. Yahoo!
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Decided to sell of my Public Far East Select Fund.

With that, I have no more holdings with Public Mutual. Yahoo!
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Since when you invested in this FSM David83?
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So now following VCA, you will be throwing more money at fund A and less money at fund B. If everyone does that, the funds which perform the worst, will have the most funding. Does that make sense to you?

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.... please see also the previous post.

Before investing into any funds, you already evaluate and decide on which fund to have. You buy and hold.

So, no such thing as 'changing horses in mid stream'. This is about the worst strategy an investor could do, switching and chasing performance, and will end up buying the fund or any fund when it is at or near its peak.

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Decided to sell of my Public Far East Select Fund.

With that, I have no more holdings with Public Mutual. Yahoo!
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Holly shxt. Eastspring Investment small cap drops again. Sigh ...
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What goes up (too fast/much) will go down somehow

FSM always preaches, chase value rather than chase (past) performance

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Well i pumped in some amount on last Friday for 0% charges on EUT. I thought it was low enough since the graph was not that stiff. But somehow it drops again.
Same luck with KGF. Those two are my babies.  sad.gif
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UT is for long term, don't be overly bothered about short term movements
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U mean 5 to 40 years time? haha

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A year is also too short

Esp let's say if u invest in 2010/11

But if u stay put, your investments in 2010/11 now profit already
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Yeah UT daikos. I will keep the principle in my heart: Once go down, must come up.  smile.gif
Usually I check on every fortnight.
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I have never invested in KLSE, though i have to fingers cross. Just hope to sell higher than EPF interest rate.
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2.5 years
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And what's the return like...? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 3 2014, 05:11 PM)
blush.gif  Den Did u buy MAS when it's around 16 cent per share?
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Haha.. Not all is applicable to that
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i think that is TRADING, not investing.
ie based on pure timing + price & volume movements
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buying value & zzz (monitor but zzz mostly)
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 3 2014, 05:43 PM)
i think that is TRADING, not investing.
ie based on pure timing + price & volume movements
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buying value & zzz (monitor but zzz mostly)
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Buy Funds with a good fund record, good manager and good potential upside!
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And what's the return like...?  hmm.gif
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I have several funds with FSM. Which one are you interested with?

I rather not to post my portfolio return here as it may be get criticized again!
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 3 2014, 04:37 PM)
Itu lah...told u not to be too obsessed about chasing "leaders"

What goes up (too fast/much) will go down somehow

FSM always preaches, chase value rather than chase (past) performance
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 3 2014, 04:37 PM)
Itu lah...told u not to be too obsessed about chasing "leaders"

What goes up (too fast/much) will go down somehow

FSM always preaches, chase value rather than chase (past) performance
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Top Volume Equity is ALWAYS Kenanga Growth Fund, ever since i started paying attention to FSM.

looks like still alot of 'chasers'



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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Sep 3 2014, 05:41 PM)
And what's the return like...?  hmm.gif
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Wow wow BRIC shoot up high today ! Brazilian and Shanghai-A Index at one year highest while Russia shoot up 5%
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Oh i have a question for discussion sake. Also partly because it was introduced during the other seminar...

AMB Income Trust Fund

HOW come this is bond fund can have double digit return in one year? apparently sub-managed by CIMB-PAM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 3 2014, 09:08 PM)
Oh i have a question for discussion sake. Also partly because it was introduced during the other seminar...

AMB Income Trust Fund

HOW come this is bond fund can have double digit return in one year? apparently sub-managed by CIMB-PAM
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 3 2014, 08:53 PM)
Wow wow BRIC shoot up high today ! Brazilian and Shanghai-A Index at one year highest while Russia shoot up 5%
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My biggest holding rclxms.gif
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Algo algo full of vigor,
Let this seeker ask for guidance proper,
What shall you reveal o'algo?
So that this seeker shall benefit and prosper.

small cap increase by forty (%) seems proper,
US equity double and you will prosper,
Local large cap reduce
for it is not an asset in favor,

Listen to O'algo ye seeker,
And may ye shine and prosper.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 4 2014, 07:59 AM)
Algo algo full of vigor,
Let this seeker ask for guidance proper,
What shall you reveal o'algo?
So that this seeker shall benefit and prosper.

small cap increase by forty (%) seems proper,
US equity double and you will prosper,
Local large cap reduce
for it is not an asset in favor,

Listen to O'algo ye seeker,
And may ye shine and prosper.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 4 2014, 08:19 AM)
The arrows turn
The swords rebel
Let nothing pierce
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Why thou leave us at this trying time,
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Sudah jadi poetry thread doh.gif laugh.gif

Wow...my CIMB Global Titans and Asia Pac Dynamite Income already in the black, sales charge also already covered...just 1 month shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 09:27 AM)
Sudah jadi poetry thread doh.gif laugh.gif

Wow...my CIMB Global Titans and Asia Pac Dynamite Income already in the black, sales charge also already covered...just 1 month shocking.gif
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How come your CIMB GTF can be breakeven so fast? hmm.gif
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How come your CIMB GTF can be breakeven so fast? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 10:57 AM)
Err...timing? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 2 2014, 03:51 PM)
I 30 but still surviving only...not rich sad.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 4 2014, 11:38 AM)
Haha.. coz u spend for viets and booz ma.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 3 2014, 06:31 PM)
I have several funds with FSM. Which one are you interested with?

I rather not to post my portfolio return here as it may be get criticized again!
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Oh, no no no. I was referring to your Public Mutual fund which you sold off wink.gif
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Oh, no no no. I was referring to your Public Mutual fund which you sold off  wink.gif
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Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug
ROI 25.7 25.3 26.2 29.3 30.5 31.3 37.5 37.0
IRR 3.2 3.1 3.1 3.5 3.6 3.7 4.3 3.7

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 4 2014, 11:38 AM)
Haha.. coz u spend for viets and booz ma.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 4 2014, 12:28 PM)
| Month | Jan | Feb | Mar |Apr |May |Jun |Jul |Aug|
ROI 25.7 25.3 26.2 29.3 30.5 31.3 37.5 37.0
IRR 3.2 3.1 3.1 3.5 3.6 3.7 4.3 3.7
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IRR so low...waste of time doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 09:27 AM)
Sudah jadi poetry thread doh.gif laugh.gif

Wow...my CIMB Global Titans and Asia Pac Dynamite Income already in the black, sales charge also already covered...just 1 month shocking.gif
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actually also have to thank you for pointing in the right direction. notworthy.gif

i'm happy already breakeven with AP dynamite fund, in 2 weeks. rclxms.gif but i was paying 1% SC la.

Probably select this as my PRS fund too. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 4 2014, 12:42 PM)
actually also have to thank you for pointing in the right direction.  notworthy.gif

i'm happy already breakeven with AP dynamite fund, in 2 weeks.  rclxms.gif but i was paying 1% SC la.

Probably select this as my PRS fund too.  whistling.gif
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No need thank me...obvious good fund choice with CIMB AP Dynamite Income tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 3 2014, 11:13 PM)
My biggest holding rclxms.gif
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Which BRIC fund?

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No need thank me...obvious good fund choice with CIMB AP Dynamite Income tongue.gif
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CIMB AP Dynamic Income Fund is a steady slow grower.

[attachmentid=4120626]

The graph is almost a straight line.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 4 2014, 12:53 PM)
CIMB AP Dynamic Income Fund is a steady slow grower.

[attachmentid=4120626]

The graph is almost a straight line.
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Quite impressive.. but not a lot of history behind it.
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Quite impressive.. but not a lot of history behind it.
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The fund aim is to achieve an 8% p.a. It has no benchmark against any index like MCSI AC Asia Pacific ex Japan
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The fund aim is to achieve an 8% p.a. It has no benchmark against any index like MCSI AC Asia Pacific ex Japan
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Seems strange to have an upside target but then that's just me smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 4 2014, 12:49 PM)
Which BRIC fund?
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Eastspring Global Emerging Markets

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 4 2014, 01:16 PM)
Seems strange to have an upside target but then that's just me smile.gif
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It's an absolute return fund, i.e. aims a certain % return regardless of benchmark/index performance.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 01:36 PM)
It's an absolute return fund, i.e. aims a certain % return regardless of benchmark/index performance.
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Doesn't every actively-managed fund aim to make money every year regardless of index performance? 8% average is a kind of low target smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 4 2014, 01:46 PM)
Isn't every fund that isn't a passive index fund an ARF? smile.gif
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NO.

Most other funds can consider themselves "achieved goal/target" IF they managed to outperform index/benchmark,

E.g.
2012 benchmark -40%, fund -38%
2013 benchmark +1%, fund +1.5%

fund manager can PROUDLY declare they met its goal

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NO.

Most other funds can consider themselves "achieved goal/target" IF they managed to outperform index/benchmark,

E.g.
2012 benchmark -40%, fund -38%
2013 benchmark +1%, fund +1.5%

fund manager can PROUDLY declare they met its goal
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But with this fund:

2014 benchmark +30% fund +8%

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fund manager can PROUDLY declare they met its goal


Right? smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 4 2014, 01:58 PM)
But with this fund:

2014 benchmark +30% fund +8%
Right? smile.gif
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Lazy to entertain u...u should get what I mean
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 02:00 PM)
Lazy to entertain u...u should get what I mean
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similar to entertaining the "chasing higher returns" alpha-generating fund managers' fund
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buy more low, buy less high (VCA, DCA, other methodologies based on value mechanical & "return to mean")
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similar to entertaining the "chasing higher returns" alpha-generating fund managers' fund
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buy more low, buy less high (VCA, DCA, other methodologies based on value mechanical & "return to mean")
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Works for me smile.gif
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Works for me smile.gif
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works for me too. Finally achieve 5 figure return in profit after NAV update (3/9/2014) for the first time rclxm9.gif
KEEP GOING! nod.gif

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Wow impressive, which fund did you purchase? How long did you hold?
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I have a few of them rally more than 10% in ROI about 1 and half - 2 years time. Thinking to rebalance it or sell it and wait for fruits drop again.
mostly the fund is come from FSM SG. For msia side, I have a few fund with good performance too. mostly is the popular fund that u guys talking here, cannot run wan.
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Convert credit card balance to monthly instalment, charges annualised at IRR of 5.9%

(1) Convert and invest
Or
(2) fully pay off hmm.gif

Wow, Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets went up a lot rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 4 2014, 05:10 PM)
Convert credit card balance to monthly instalment, charges annualised at IRR of 5.9%

(1) Convert and invest
Or
(2) fully pay off hmm.gif

Wow, Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets went up a lot rclxms.gif
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Yes, also my biggest holding. rclxms.gif but this GEM fund always in roller coaster mode, scary lah...
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 4 2014, 05:25 PM)
Yes, also my biggest holding. rclxms.gif  but this GEM fund always in roller coaster mode, scary lah...
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But long-term annualised return decent, has been in the range of 7-10%
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same here. I believe what's went up must come down.
So invest in lower value is always better than chase the new high.
I already take my next strategy is to move some capital to property for lagi long-term investment.

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 4 2014, 05:36 PM)
same here. I believe what's went up must come down.
So invest in lower value is always better than chase the new high.
I already take my next strategy is to move some capital to property investment for lagi long-term investment.
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But...ain't property LAGI overvalued? tongue.gif
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Has The Malaysia Small Cap Sector Lost Its Lustre?....September 4, 2014
Since touching a 17-year high on 19 August 2014, the FBM Small Cap Index has fallen by -4% as of 2 September 2014....Author : iFAST Research Team

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4968
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But...ain't property LAGI overvalued? tongue.gif
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If not, you might just wait for the drop where I think is hardly to be happen. But things is no guarentee, if you never take action, you wont know what's happen next.

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so, no to small cap?


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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 3 2014, 01:22 PM)
Decided to sell of my Public Far East Select Fund.

With that, I have no more holdings with Public Mutual. Yahoo!
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With refer to the above.

We have been informed by Hwang Investment Management Berhad on the merger between Affin Investment Bank Berhad (“Affin”) and HwangDBS Investment Bank Berhad (“Hwang”) is targeted for completion by 20 September 2014. With effect from the merger date, also known as Vesting Day, Affin and Hwang will begin combined operations under the new brand name of Affin Hwang Capital, with investment bank operations renamed as Affin Hwang Investment Bank Berhad and the asset management operations renamed as Affin Hwang Asset Management Berhad. ....... does this effect become another RHB-OSK merge ??? I hope it won't mess up our favorate ponzi.

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Wow graduated from PM dy. will you enroll any PM fund again in near future?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 4 2014, 09:53 PM)
No till they lower their SC to some competitive level.
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but i heard they give a stable 10-15% ROI each year?
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Which fund to be particular? PSF? PRSF?
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but i heard they give a stable 10-15% ROI each year?
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from which source you get 10-15% ROI pa? which fund ?
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ECB Unexpectedly Cuts Interest Rates as Outlook Darkens

The ECB’s 24-member Governing Council reduced all three of its main interest rates by 10 basis points. The benchmark rate was lowered to 0.05 percent and the deposit rate is now minus 0.2 percent.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-04/e...ok-darkens.html
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ECB Readying Broad Asset-Backed Purchases After Rate Cut, Draghi Says

The ECB “will purchase a broad portfolio of simple and transparent securities,” President Mario Draghi said at a press conference in Frankfurt today. While the measures announced today will have a “sizable” impact on the balance sheet, “some of our council were in favor of doing more than presented,” he said. The euro dropped below $1.30 for the first time since July 2013.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 4 2014, 10:53 PM)
ECB Unexpectedly Cuts Interest Rates as Outlook Darkens

The ECB’s 24-member Governing Council reduced all three of its main interest rates by 10 basis points. The benchmark rate was lowered to 0.05 percent and the deposit rate is now minus 0.2 percent.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-04/e...ok-darkens.html
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Should be good for jump start a weakening economy.
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but affects exchange rate. which in turn, affect our return.

but good time to get some euro for whatever reason.
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Buying unit trust through m2u convenient?
Sales charge around 2 to 3%....giving fundsupermart some competition? yes or no?
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Buying unit trust through m2u convenient?
Sales charge around 2 to 3%....giving fundsupermart some competition? yes or no?
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When there's a promotion by FSM, SC can be as low as 0%.

Payment can be made using FPX.

Which one is more beneficial?
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QUOTE(Pisanggoreng @ Sep 5 2014, 07:14 PM)
Buying unit trust through m2u convenient?
Sales charge around 2 to 3%....giving fundsupermart some competition? yes or no?
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Through cimbclicks also can.

But the lowest i can get from cimb is 2.5% for equity funds. Fsm win though certain cimb fund are not available through FSM. eUT should be the obvious competitor.

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I'm holding 5 PM funds and slowly to disposed all too.
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I am holding 4 PM funds, PSF,PRSF,PFSF and PIBOND. invest since year 2002.
didnt know about FSm till someone come enlighten me with "why pay SC 5.5%? shakehead.gif






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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Sep 6 2014, 01:40 PM)
I am holding 4 PM funds, PSF,PRSF,PFSF and PIBOND. invest since year 2002.
didnt know about FSm till someone come enlighten me with "why pay SC 5.5%? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Sep 6 2014, 01:40 PM)
I am holding 4 PM funds, PSF,PRSF,PFSF and PIBOND. invest since year 2002.
didnt know about FSm till someone come enlighten me with "why pay SC 5.5%? shakehead.gif
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Still hold the investment in PM, as i do not want to put all the eggs in 1 basket.

Yes the return is slightly lower compare with other fund. Somehow, it still generate profits.
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I am still holding some PM funds too, dating from early 2000s. I think if I transferred everything to FSM, I would be a platinum account holder already...

Main benefit right now is that I have a platinum credit card issued by Public Bank and offered by Public Mutual. I wonder if they would cancel my card if I moved everything away.
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ECB Readying Broad Asset-Backed Purchases After Rate Cut, Draghi Says

The ECB “will purchase a broad portfolio of simple and transparent securities,” President Mario Draghi said at a press conference in Frankfurt today. While the measures announced today will have a “sizable” impact on the balance sheet, “some of our council were in favor of doing more than presented,” he said. The euro dropped below $1.30 for the first time since July 2013.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-04/d...r-rate-cut.html
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 4 2014, 10:09 PM)
but i heard they give a stable 10-15% ROI each year?
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So do a lot of funds that don't charge 5.5% smile.gif

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I am holding 4 PM funds, PSF,PRSF,PFSF and PIBOND. invest since year 2002.
didnt know about FSm till someone come enlighten me with "why pay SC 5.5%? shakehead.gif
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What is the returns like after this long?
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What is the returns like after this long?
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All of them are local funds. PM is jaguh kampug. Since all the funds aged > 10 years, the return should be decent enough and have covered the SC of 6.5%!
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All of them are local funds. PM is jaguh kampug. Since all the funds aged > 10 years, the return should be decent enough and have covered the SC of 6.5%!
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yes, that time they charge 6.5% SC.
but even i hold 4 PM funds, total not over 50k as of now. blush.gif

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yes, that time they charge 6.5% SC.
but even i hold 4 PM funds, total not over 50k as of now.  blush.gif
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PM can transfer into FSM ?
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PM can transfer into FSM ?
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PM can transfer into FSM ?
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Technically cannot - there are no PM funds carried by FSM.

However...
U can check with FSM whether they still allow:
1. Sell PM funds - get proof say $100K
2. Show proof to FSM then buy $100K of similar funds (eg. PM equity to FSM equity funds) at 0% service charge

That's what i did 2+/- years back when gave up on PM laugh.gif
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PM can transfer into FSM ?
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Can.

Just sell the PM UT, then email FSM you want to transfer money from PM to get 0% fee UT in FSM.
You have 30 days to buy FSM UT at 0% fee.

I did most of my buying in FSM that way. Can also park that money in CMF first, no need straight buy UT.

dont worry if you see 2% fee, it will become 0% after you email FSM the transaction record.And can also buy in any combination of FSM funds (except HwangIM), in multiple transactions, ie sell PM UT 100k, can buy FSM many times till total 100k+/-, sometimes i overbought abit also they gave 0%.



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Guys, my understanding of transfer in is to transfer a fund from fund house or distributor into FSM. The fund transfer out and transfer in should be the same:

Fund Asia ex Japan A from Fund House A ---> Fund Asia ex Japan A in FSM

When you're transferring out from PM, basically you're selling off all the holdings in PM and buy into new funds from other fund houses available in FSM.

Of course, in term SC, it can be negotiated with FSM.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 7 2014, 09:21 AM)
Can.

Just sell the PM UT, then email FSM  you want to transfer money from PM to get 0% fee UT in FSM.
You have 30 days to buy FSM UT at 0% fee.

I did most of my buying in FSM that way. Can also park that money in CMF first, no need straight buy UT.

dont worry if you see 2% fee, it will become 0% after you email FSM the transaction record.And  can also buy in any combination  of FSM funds (except HwangIM), in multiple transactions, ie sell PM UT 100k, can buy FSM many times till total 100k+/-, sometimes i overbought abit also they gave 0%.
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Is 0% SC in FSM applicable to (a) any amt fr PM n (b) Bond fund fr PM?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 7 2014, 09:21 AM)
Can.

Just sell the PM UT, then email FSM  you want to transfer money from PM to get 0% fee UT in FSM.
You have 30 days to buy FSM UT at 0% fee.

I did most of my buying in FSM that way. Can also park that money in CMF first, no need straight buy UT.

dont worry if you see 2% fee, it will become 0% after you email FSM the transaction record.And  can also buy in any combination  of FSM funds (except HwangIM), in multiple transactions, ie sell PM UT 100k, can buy FSM many times till total 100k+/-, sometimes i overbought abit also they gave 0%.
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I didn't know that. is that in order to transfer PM into FSM and entitle 0% SC fund holding under PM must be at least 100K ?
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All of your PM Fund in Green Zone?
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yes, all 4 funds is in positive trends. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Sep 6 2014, 03:51 PM)
I am still holding some PM funds too, dating from early 2000s. I think if I transferred everything to FSM, I would be a platinum account holder already...

Main benefit right now is that I have a platinum credit card issued by Public Bank and offered by Public Mutual. I wonder if they would cancel my card if I moved everything away.
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Public Bank will charge yearly fee and government tax to your platinum card if your holding in PM is below certain sum. Not sure if it is RM100k or RM200k. smile.gif

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Hi guys, new to this online UT purchase. Between Fundsupermarket and eunittrust, which one is better ? Thanks !
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Hi guys, new to this online UT purchase. Between Fundsupermarket and eunittrust, which one is better ? Thanks !
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Both are internet platform to purchase UT from multiple fund house. They offered lower fees and 0% fees during their promotion period.
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Both are internet platform to purchase UT from multiple fund house. They offered lower fees and 0% fees during their promotion period.
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Thanks !

Can we buy ASNB funds in Fundsupermarket.com ? I was not able to find it in the website. Heard from others that Fundsupermarket is selling it. hmm.gif
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Thanks !

Can we buy ASNB funds in Fundsupermarket.com ? I was not able to find it in the website. Heard from others that Fundsupermarket is selling it.  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 7 2014, 08:06 AM)
Technically cannot - there are no PM funds carried by FSM.

However...
U can check with FSM whether they still allow:
1. Sell PM funds - get proof say $100K
2. Show proof to FSM then buy $100K of similar funds (eg. PM equity to FSM equity funds) at 0% service charge

That's what i did 2+/- years back when gave up on PM  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 7 2014, 02:56 PM)
WAH... Master sifu Wong high roller..

Are you into share investment? Can't really remember..
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bro - eg only lar $100K sweat.gif
small potatoes me mana ada swing so hard neh

yup - do stocks too but very little nowadays in MY except for CIMBA40 +CIMBC25.
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I didn't know that. is that in order to transfer PM into FSM and entitle 0% SC fund holding under PM must be at least 100K ?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 7 2014, 10:55 AM)
Is 0% SC in FSM applicable to (a) any amt fr PM n (b) Bond fund fr PM?
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i have not redeemed my Public Bond/ Islamic bond yet. but i will later on when price is right. I think as long as money from another UT agency ,FSm will be happy to offer us 0%. Email your CS in FSM to check.

So far i have only redeemed from PCSF and P Islamic Income, lowest amount was RM18k. all allowed FSM 0%. I always email my CS in FSM first.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 7 2014, 09:24 PM)
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i have not redeemed my Public Bond/ Islamic bond yet. but i will later on when price is right. I think as long as money from another  UT agency ,FSm will be happy to offer us 0%. Email your CS in FSM to check.

So far i have only redeemed from PCSF and P Islamic Income, lowest amount was RM18k. all allowed FSM 0%. I always email my CS in FSM first.
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I see, nice sharing. will consult FMS' cs

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I am still holding some PM funds too, dating from early 2000s. I think if I transferred everything to FSM, I would be a platinum account holder already...

Main benefit right now is that I have a platinum credit card issued by Public Bank and offered by Public Mutual. I wonder if they would cancel my card if I moved everything away.
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Yes that's why i also try to keep the mutual gold level.

even if we fall below Mutual Gold level,i suppose the PBMG card can still be used, only you wont get year end bonus cash back and GST and AF waiver.

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Yes that's why i also try to keep the mutual gold level.

even if we fall below Mutual Gold level,i suppose the PBMG card can still be used, only you wont get year end bonus cash back and GST and AF waiver.
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PM Gold vs FSM Silver / Gold Status which one have more benefit ?
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PM Gold vs FSM Silver / Gold Status which one have more benefit ?
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i dont feel any benefit from my FSM Gold status yet. Discount 0.5% is too low, and not applicable on promo rate when SC 1%. i prefer to sell my UT elsewhere and buy in FSM at 0%. Maybe there are other gold benefits that i am yet to discover..
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 7 2014, 09:49 PM)
i dont feel any benefit from my FSM Gold status yet. Discount 0.5% is too low, and not applicable on promo rate when SC 1%. i prefer to sell my UT elsewhere and buy in FSM at 0%. Maybe there are other  gold benefits that i am yet to discover..
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In-term of benefit PM Gold, in-term of low sc FSM, that is why PM still got its market and demand.
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Cannot compare like that.

PM is very big compared to FSM and it is backed by PBB too.

PM can afford to offer attractive membership benefits.

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Hey guys, one shouldn't think that the platform fees for bond funds in FSM is a lot, right, since the SC is at 0% or...?
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Only certain bond fund has platform fee.
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In-term of benefit PM Gold, in-term of low sc FSM, that is why PM still got its market and demand.
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In my humble opinion, i prefer FSM's gold benefits as an investor (cost goes lower)

VS

PM' Mut Gold freebies like
Good but one-off only
+ Free Will/Wasiat Writing Services, Free Trust Nominations (Nice one off)

So-so
* free insurance coverage (not bad but amount dismal)
* Mutual Gold Seminars (FSM pun ada)

Dangerous
- no fees credit card from PB (encourages spending + i've cards that are free with much better cash back)

Below are like them Priority banking fluff to me
- Complimentary Magazine, Quarterly Statement of Accounts, Repurchase Cheques Within Two Business Days
- Special Rates on Insurance Products From LonPac Insurance
- Exclusive Mutual Gold Centre
- Dedicated Mutual Gold Hotline

Just opining notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 8 2014, 07:57 AM)
Cannot compare like that.

PM is very big compared to FSM and it is backed by PBB too.

PM can afford to offer attractive membership benefits.
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Is FSM's backup strong ? PM wise as it is PBB, felt comfortable with it. I also like the quarterly statement, free platinum card with no fees whatsoever etc.

FSM UT purchase is still held in their name ?

I am trying to check out FSM. Please correct me if the above on FSM is wrong. Thanks !
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Is FSM's backup strong ? PM wise as it is PBB, felt comfortable with it. I also like the quarterly statement, free platinum card with no fees whatsoever etc.

FSM UT purchase is still held in their name ?

I am trying to check out FSM. Please correct me if the above on FSM is wrong. Thanks !
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Normal UT will be nominee to FSM.

PRS will be under your name.


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Is FSM's backup strong ? PM wise as it is PBB, felt comfortable with it. I also like the quarterly statement, free platinum card with no fees whatsoever etc.

FSM UT purchase is still held in their name ?

I am trying to check out FSM. Please correct me if the above on FSM is wrong. Thanks !
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FSM used to be under OSK, now under RHB Group.
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Just to add-on on the PM Gold Benefits...
this is just commission rebate, seriously not that special.

anyway, if i don't have to pay 5.5% sales charge for PM funds, i'll definitely look into investing with them.
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Hello and good morning.

I am new to investments and currently looking at FSM to grow my money for a long term target. I read quite a lot on FSM and it seems to be quite good compared to investing through banks.

I just want to ask fellow seniors in here, what is the best strategy can be devised to see a good profitable return in few years time ?

I'm sorry if my question sounds vague. Just a little clueless on how to make a start investing. smile.gif


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QUOTE(ragu91 @ Sep 8 2014, 10:27 AM)
Hello and good morning.

I am new to investments and currently looking at FSM to grow my money for a long term target. I read quite a lot on FSM and it seems to be quite good compared to investing through banks.

I just want to ask fellow seniors in here, what is the best strategy can be devised to see a good profitable return in few years time ?

I'm sorry if my question sounds vague. Just a little clueless on how to make a start investing. smile.gif
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1. Establish an emergency fund of at least 3-12 months (depends on your job security and your commitments, for me, I have 6 months) worth of your monthly expenses, park aside in savings account or FD or money market fund(s). DO NOT INVEST until u have this done.
2. Determine how much u can afford to invest a month.
3. The more u have, the more funds u can pick to establish a portfolio. If u have little e.g. RM100-200 a month, pick fewer funds.

Or...

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2014, 10:36 AM)
1. Establish an emergency fund of at least 3-12 months (depends on your job security and your commitments, for me, I have 6 months) worth of your monthly expenses, park aside in savings account or FD or money market fund(s). DO NOT INVEST until u have this done.
2. Determine how much u can afford to invest a month.
3. The more u have, the more funds u can pick to establish a portfolio. If u have little e.g. RM100-200 a month, pick fewer funds.

Or...

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Guess I have to sort out the rule #1 First. sweat.gif

I have just started my career about 5 months ago, I have set aside about 1.5 months for emergency fund already . I think maybe I should put in those money into money market and save a little more on it.
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Guess I have to sort out the rule #1 First.   sweat.gif

I have just started my career about 5 months ago, I have set aside about 1.5 months for emergency fund already . I think maybe I should put in those money into money market and save a little more on it.
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1.5 months is too little. If touch wood u lose your job, u will run out of cash rather quickly. Unless ur papa mama got loads to support u rolleyes.gif

Open an FSM account, start with RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2 (CMF); for money market fund, u won't go wrong with that. Rock solid stable fund, currently yielding close to 3.3% p.a. thumbup.gif

Dump all your monthly excess cash in CMF, once u exceed a certain amount, start flowing the $$$ out to other funds.

For a start, maybe u can park 1.5 months in savings account (MAKE SURE U DO NOT TOUCH IT!), 1.5 months in CMF. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2014, 11:02 AM)
1.5 months is too little. If touch wood u lose your job, u will run out of cash rather quickly. Unless ur papa mama got loads to support u rolleyes.gif

Open an FSM account, start with RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2 (CMF); for money market fund, u won't go wrong with that. Rock solid stable fund, currently yielding close to 3.3% p.a. thumbup.gif

Dump all your monthly excess cash in CMF, once u exceed a certain amount, start flowing the $$$ out to other funds.

For a start, maybe u can park 1.5 months in savings account (MAKE SURE U DO NOT TOUCH IT!), 1.5 months in CMF. wink.gif
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It is very little of course. sweat.gif

That is because I am just few months into the job.

When u mentioned "exceed certain amount", you mean the the excess amount after minus my emergency funds ?

What I plan for now is , start with a CMF account, lets say initial investment about 2.5k and consistently top up about 500 monthly into that account. Is it advisable ?




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It is very little of course.   sweat.gif

That is because I am just few months into the job.

When u mentioned "exceed certain amount", you mean the the excess amount after minus my emergency funds ?

What I plan for now is , start with a CMF account, lets say initial investment about 2.5k and consistently top up about 500 monthly into that account. Is it advisable ?
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Yes.

As I've said, u won't go wrong with CMF. You can literally dump all your excess cash there, then slowly buy into other funds. It's an excellent "parking" facility.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2014, 11:28 AM)
Yes.

As I've said, u won't go wrong with CMF. You can literally dump all your excess cash there, then slowly buy into other funds. It's an excellent "parking" facility.
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Thank you a lot man.
U gave me quite some confidence. I'll do that first, and slowly learn my step up biggrin.gif
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sekiranya dia membuka akaun hanya untuk melabur ke dalam CMF, apabila dia ingin bermula untuk melabur ke dalam dana yang lain, dia tidak dapat memanfaatkan diskaun yang diberikan kepada ahli baru. tetapi kalau nilai pelaburan bukan banyak sangat, 1% beza mungkin tidaklah begitu ketara.






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Hey gurus! I am a newbie in investment and I have heard a lot of people around me saying that UT is more dangerous as compared to FD and the return is lesser than FD. i know its very subjective when it talks about the return (pros know how to earn more as copared to noobs) but do you guys think a zero-to-investment guy like me should venture into UT rather than FD? fyi, i am a busy student with a saving of around rm40k smile.gif
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omg, a student got 40k savings. i started working few years then only got 40k
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QUOTE(nothingz @ Sep 8 2014, 12:48 PM)
omg, a student got 40k savings. i started working few years then only got 40k
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 8 2014, 12:25 PM)
the siggy... sweat.gif 

sekiranya dia membuka akaun hanya untuk melabur ke dalam CMF, apabila dia ingin bermula untuk melabur ke dalam dana yang lain, dia tidak dapat memanfaatkan diskaun yang diberikan kepada ahli baru. tetapi kalau nilai pelaburan bukan banyak sangat, 1% beza mungkin tidaklah begitu ketara.
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QUOTE(kiwibird @ Sep 8 2014, 12:46 PM)
Hey gurus! I am a newbie in investment and I have heard a lot of people around me saying that UT is more dangerous as compared to FD and the return is lesser than FD. i know its very subjective when it talks about the return (pros know how to earn more as copared to noobs) but do you guys think a zero-to-investment guy like me should venture into UT rather than FD? fyi, i am a busy student with a saving of around rm40k smile.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 8 2014, 12:25 PM)
the siggy... sweat.gif 

sekiranya dia membuka akaun hanya untuk melabur ke dalam CMF, apabila dia ingin bermula untuk melabur ke dalam dana yang lain, dia tidak dapat memanfaatkan diskaun yang diberikan kepada ahli baru. tetapi kalau nilai pelaburan bukan banyak sangat, 1% beza mungkin tidaklah begitu ketara.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 8 2014, 01:24 PM)
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QUOTE(kiwibird @ Sep 8 2014, 01:32 PM)
But i am not gonna use that money sad.gif
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What if got some unforeseen emergencies? Can your papa mama fully paid for it? If yes, then u may invest.

But I don't recommend to invest in one lump sum. Try to spread it over 12 months perhaps, buying in bits by bits.

Because u don't have income, don't be too aggressive.

These are the funds I suggest u to look at (not exhaustive list, u can try study others too:

Kenanga Growth or Hwang Select Opportunity or Eastspring Equity Income
CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic Income
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity or KAF Global Equities
Kenanga Bond or RHB-OSK Income Fund 2 or AmBond

A portfolio of 4 funds would be good enough. As for what % to allocate for each fund, that is up to your discretion. Study the FSM Recommended Portfolios to get an idea wink.gif


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Most FD is capital guaranteed and PIDM insured. So therefore it's "secured" and returns are "guaranteed".
Return as of now is about a max of 4% annually



UT on the other hand is not capital guaranteed.

The average return of UT (that is available on FSM) is about
1 yr: 11.3% annually
2 yr: 9.69% annually
3 yr: 8.79% annually
5 yr: 8.09% annually
10 yr: 7.98% annually

Out of 219 funds that are available (that has more than 3 yrs of data), looking at 3 yrs performance
9 (4%) had -ve returns
35 (16%) has less than 4% return annually
the rest, 175 funds or 80% had above (and mostly way above) 4% return

So in conclusion (in FSM, taking into account only funds that is longer than 3 yrs old), 80% of UT has better or WAY better returns compared to FD. And that's taking today's FD rate (it was lower previously).

QUOTE(kiwibird @ Sep 8 2014, 12:46 PM)
Hey gurus! I am a newbie in investment and I have heard a lot of people around me saying that UT is more dangerous as compared to FD and the return is lesser than FD. i know its very subjective when it talks about the return (pros know how to earn more as copared to noobs) but do you guys think a zero-to-investment guy like me should venture into UT rather than FD? fyi, i am a busy student with a saving of around rm40k smile.gif
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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 8 2014, 02:27 PM)
Most FD is capital guaranteed and PIDM insured. So therefore it's "secured" and returns are "guaranteed".
Return as of now is about a max of 4% annually
UT on the other hand is not capital guaranteed.

The average return of UT (that is available on FSM) is about
1 yr: 11.3% annually
2 yr: 9.69% annually
3 yr: 8.79% annually
5 yr: 8.09% annually
10 yr: 7.98% annually

Out of 219 funds that are available (that has more than 3 yrs of data), looking at 3 yrs performance
9 (4%) had -ve returns
35 (16%) has less than 4% return annually
the rest, 175 funds or 80% had above (and mostly way above) 4% return

So in conclusion (in FSM, taking into account only funds that is longer than 3 yrs old), 80% of UT has better or WAY better returns compared to FD. And that's taking today's FD rate (it was lower previously).
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Best to use the 10yrs+ returns as expectations management
The 1-5 years we had is higher due to:
a. 2008-2009 1st qtr "crashed" level
b. 2009+5 years = 2014
c. Thus most funds if measured from 2009 are super performers (ie. not the norm)...
just like some "super investors or traders" thinking it's skill these past 5 years VS return to mean (me included sweat.gif )

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Absolutely superb idea!

Now... let's see... Taking 10 yrs performance only, there are 90 funds with data

0 (0%) funds returned -ve (great news!!)
10 (11%) funds returned less than 4% and...
80 (89%) funds returned more than 4%!!!!
and 25 of them (which is 28%) returned >10% per annum.


So in this case study, all the funds are pretty safe and 89% of them outperform our current FD rates.


QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:17 PM)
Additional thoughts:
Best to use the 10yrs+ returns as expectations management
The 1-5 years we had is higher due to:
a. 2008-2009 1st qtr "crashed" level
b. 2009+5 years = 2014
c. Thus most funds if measured from 2009 are super performers (ie. not the norm)...
just like some "super investors or traders" thinking it's skill these past 5 years VS return to mean  (me included sweat.gif )

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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A Landmark Initiative to Boost Returns for China Equity Funds?

With the pending launch of the Shanghai-HK Connect, investors in both markets will soon be able to get access to stocks which were formerly inaccessible. We spoke to several fund managers on the implications for their respective China equity strategies... Fundsupermart... September 3, 2014

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...ity-Funds--9714

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A Landmark Initiative to Boost Returns for China Equity Funds?

With the pending launch of the Shanghai-HK Connect, investors in both markets will soon be able to get access to stocks which were formerly inaccessible. We spoke to several fund managers on the implications for their respective China equity strategies... Fundsupermart... September 3, 2014 

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...ity-Funds--9714
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Hi, where are you getting these figures?

cause i can't seem to find it. i kinda need this for work. sweat.gif

QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 8 2014, 05:57 PM)
Absolutely superb idea!

Now... let's see... Taking 10 yrs performance only, there are 90 funds with data

0 (0%) funds returned -ve (great news!!)
10 (11%) funds returned less than 4% and...
80 (89%) funds returned more than 4%!!!!
              and 25 of them (which is 28%) returned >10% per annum.
So in this case study, all the funds are pretty safe and 89% of them outperform our current FD rates.
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From FSM website

QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 8 2014, 07:44 PM)
Hi, where are you getting these figures?

cause i can't seem to find it. i kinda need this for work.  sweat.gif
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guys (and girls), i just want to ask how wise it is to blindly follow FSM's portfolio recommendations?

imma complete newbie wanting to get into mutual funds, been researching around and reading a bit. FSM's portfolio seems extremely convenient and makes sense *for the most part* but are these truly the funds for each segment (global equity, bond, dividend etc) or are these the best from funds that FSM are dealing with? coming from a completely unrelated non-finance background, all i want to do is to park some money into some funds and watch the principal grow into 'something' 3-5 years down the road ^^
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"all i want to do is to park some money into some funds and watch the principal grow into 'something' 3-5 years down the road"

hmm.gif if just "something".....try bank FD or Cash Management Funds?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ad=ed_cmf_story
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 9 2014, 11:22 PM)
"all i want to do is to park some money into some funds and watch the principal grow into 'something' 3-5 years down the road"

hmm.gif if just "something".....try bank FD or Cash Management Funds?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ad=ed_cmf_story
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 9 2014, 11:22 PM)
"all i want to do is to park some money into some funds and watch the principal grow into 'something' 3-5 years down the road"

hmm.gif if just "something".....try bank FD or Cash Management Funds?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ad=ed_cmf_story
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wahhhh really want so cheeky meh unsure.gif ok i put it in another way... my 'something' in mind at the end of that 3-5yr period is bigger than a 'something' that an FD would give... better? sweat.gif
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hmm.gif just better than FD?......
my agar-agar guess would be...
if Malay try ASNB Funds
If near to 50 yrs try EPF lump sump contribute (there is a limit thought)

unknown to your risk profile/experience....try playing with data in the attached file....maybe it can helps you select your allocations




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QUOTE(exergy @ Sep 9 2014, 11:48 PM)
guys (and girls), i just want to ask how wise it is to blindly follow FSM's portfolio recommendations?

imma complete newbie wanting to get into mutual funds, been researching around and reading a bit. FSM's portfolio seems extremely convenient and makes sense *for the most part* but are these truly the funds for each segment (global equity, bond, dividend etc) or are these the best from funds that FSM are dealing with? coming from a completely unrelated non-finance background, all i want to do is to park some money into some funds and watch the principal grow into 'something' 3-5 years down the road ^^
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My suggestion is put 70% in Kenanga Growth Fund and 30% in CMF

Then your return will be better than FSM's portfolio recommendations

if Malaysia Kaboom, don blame me whistling.gif whistling.gif

If not, just follow FSM portfolio recommendations
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Thanks for the replies yklooi and ZH888

Yklooi as I said previously I have zero experience... I'm non bumi in my mid-20s and looking for an aggressive-biased portfolio. Will look into the data sheet link later tonight

ZH888 my original question is on whether the FSM portfolios are really well balanced or are they pushing for certain funds (the funds that they have) only. Eg maybe there are other funds better for global equity but FSM don't have dealings with that fund house so no recommendation by FSM into the portfolio... Just curious
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QUOTE(exergy @ Sep 10 2014, 03:55 PM)
Thanks for the replies yklooi and ZH888

Yklooi as I said previously I have zero experience... I'm non bumi in my mid-20s and looking for an aggressive-biased portfolio. Will look into the data sheet link later tonight

ZH888 my original question is on whether the FSM portfolios are really well balanced or are they pushing for certain funds (the funds that they have) only. Eg maybe there are other funds better for global equity but FSM don't have dealings with that fund house so no recommendation by FSM into the portfolio... Just curious
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I believe their recommended portfolio is choose from their Recommended Fund List la. Of course you can replace your own pick if you dislike their fund in portfolio. For me i will treat as a references only to build a portfolio.

If you are familiar in UT investment in later time, then you may choose the portfolio that best suit to yourselves

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......I said previously I have zero experience... I'm in my mid-20s and looking for an aggressive-biased portfolio.
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QUOTE(exergy @ Sep 10 2014, 02:55 PM)
Thanks for the replies yklooi and ZH888

Yklooi as I said previously I have zero experience... I'm non bumi in my mid-20s and looking for an aggressive-biased portfolio. Will look into the data sheet link later tonight

ZH888 my original question is on whether the FSM portfolios are really well balanced or are they pushing for certain funds (the funds that they have) only. Eg maybe there are other funds better for global equity but FSM don't have dealings with that fund house so no recommendation by FSM into the portfolio... Just curious
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Of course FSM will only recommend funds that they have! tongue.gif

But the funds that FSM carries are wide-ranging enough, basically they only don't have Public Mutual ones. Public is...by and large, jaguh kampong. You can get comparable if not better replacements from Kenanga, HwangIM and Eastspring Investments.
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On 'Core Equity - Asia Ex-Japan' category, YTD return for CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund (not in the recommended list) performed better than AmAsia Pacific Equity Income Fund.

On 'Core Equity - Global' category, YTD return for Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A (not in the recommended list) is far better than RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield Fund.
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QUOTE(ZH888 @ Sep 10 2014, 03:13 PM)
I believe their recommended portfolio is choose from their Recommended Fund List la. Of course you can replace your own pick if you dislike their fund in portfolio. For me i will treat as a references only to build a portfolio.

If you are familiar in UT investment in later time, then you may choose the portfolio that best suit to yourselves

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thanks for the reply notworthy.gif

i was about to ask if all you sifu here have reasons to dislike the FSM portfolio recommendations but further down Pink Spider kinda answered by saying the recommended list is pretty 'wide-ranging'... i was thinking of starting out with a few only from the aggressive list is since one or two are on a downward trend at the moment sweat.gif (yes i read from the beginning/middle of this thread that one should not just chase those funds with super wonderful ROIs since going up too quick cannot be sustained indefinitely and may/will come down hard also sweat.gif )

QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 10 2014, 06:03 PM)
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Investing always carries an element of risk. It is paramount to always keep tabs on your life’s circumstances and finances to evaluate the amount of risk you can take before committing to an investment.

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thanks for the reply and the link hmm.gif

yes the risk and age relationship is one of the common points i have read many places also, which is why im mainly focused on the aggressive portfolio part right now. probably go a bit more conservative after a few years... cross the bridge when it comes hmm.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 10 2014, 06:14 PM)
Of course FSM will only recommend funds that they have! tongue.gif

But the funds that FSM carries are wide-ranging enough, basically they only don't have Public Mutual ones. Public is...by and large, jaguh kampong. You can get comparable if not better replacements from Kenanga, HwangIM and Eastspring Investments.
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i read that the hwang quantum ex japan fund and KGF quite popular on this thread laugh.gif
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i read that the hwang quantum ex japan fund and KGF quite popular on this thread  laugh.gif
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Just coming from someone that is not as active here anymore.

When a lot of people is mentioning it, it's either a love or hate relationship. In this case, love. Why do we love it? It's making us money. Personally I see China/HK as a promising market (after the lousy performance I got from GEYF), but KLCI is high in terms of valuation compared to the rest of the SEA market, trading at 17x PE. So don't go too gung-ho on KGF. If you monitor the market closely, there's not much of catalyst as of now... for September and October at least based on historical trend.

Just a thought for reference.
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This mth is happy happy mth so far:

i) RHB US equity naik!
ii) Local jaguh kampong fund naik (KGF & ES Small-Cap)!
iii) Hwang Infra & REITs fund naik!
iv) And my Money Mkt of course naik lah!

Xuzen

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QUOTE(exergy @ Sep 10 2014, 10:55 PM)
thanks for the reply  notworthy.gif

i was about to ask if all you sifu here have reasons to dislike the FSM portfolio recommendations but further down Pink Spider kinda answered by saying the recommended list is pretty 'wide-ranging'... i was thinking of starting out with a few only from the aggressive list is since one or two are on a downward trend at the moment sweat.gif (yes i read from the beginning/middle of this thread that one should not just chase those funds with super wonderful ROIs since going up too quick cannot be sustained indefinitely and may/will come down hard also sweat.gif )
thanks for the reply and the link hmm.gif

yes the risk and age relationship is one of the common points i have read many places also, which is why im mainly focused on the aggressive portfolio part right now. probably go a bit more conservative after a few years... cross the bridge when it comes  hmm.gif 
thank you for the reply  notworthy.gif

i read that the hwang quantum ex japan fund and KGF quite popular on this thread  laugh.gif
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Hwang Quantum, yes. One of the best small-mid cap Asia ex Japan fund. Other alternative would be RHB-OSK Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust. But since takeover of OSK by RHB, most of us observed a downtrend in performance...

Eastspring Small Cap is not comparable, cos it's 100% Malaysian small-mid cap, whereas the 2 mentioned above have mandate to invest in offshore Asian markets.

As for KGF...yes, performance have been spectacular. U may also consider Eastspring Equity Income, both are 100% Malaysian equity fund. But I prefer Hwang Select Opportunity as the fund manager can diversify up to 30% in offshore markets if they see limited potential in Malaysian market.

Btw, to clarify, I'm saying FSM range of funds are wide-ranging, NOT the Recommended List. wink.gif

QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 11 2014, 08:40 AM)
Just coming from someone that is not as active here anymore.

When a lot of people is mentioning it, it's either a love or hate relationship. In this case, love. Why do we love it? It's making us money. Personally I see China/HK as a promising market (after the lousy performance I got from GEYF), but KLCI is high in terms of valuation compared to the rest of the SEA market, trading at 17x PE. So don't go too gung-ho on KGF. If you monitor the market closely, there's not much of catalyst as of now... for September and October at least based on historical trend.

Just a thought for reference.
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But then again, we are not buying an index fund. When we buy into a good fund, we are relying on the fund manager to deliver us market-beating returns. And this is very possible in less than efficient markets like in Malaysia and Asia ex Japan. wink.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 11 2014, 09:30 AM)
This mth is happy happy mth so far:

i) RHB US equity naik!
ii) Local jaguh kampong fund naik (KGF & ES Small-Cap)!
iii) Hwang Infra & REITs fund naik!
iv) And my Money Mkt of course naik lah!

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On 'Core Equity - Asia Ex-Japan' category, YTD return for CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund (not in the recommended list) performed better than AmAsia Pacific Equity Income Fund.

On 'Core Equity - Global' category, YTD return for Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A (not in the recommended list) is far better than RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield Fund.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 11 2014, 09:30 AM)
This mth is happy happy mth so far:

i) RHB US equity naik!
ii) Local jaguh kampong fund naik (KGF & ES Small-Cap)!
iii) Hwang Infra & REITs fund naik!
iv) And my Money Mkt of course naik lah!

Xuzen
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Pretty amazing month for me so far too, but more due to local stockmarket picks than FSM funds.
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Pretty amazing month for me so far too, but more due to local stockmarket picks than FSM funds.
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anyone buying CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund via "CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity" which is basically the same thing with 0% service charge but can only be withdrawn at 55 years old
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anyone buying CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund via "CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity" which is basically the same thing with 0% service charge but can only be withdrawn at 55 years old
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But then again, we are not buying an index fund. When we buy into a good fund, we are relying on the fund manager to deliver us market-beating returns. And this is very possible in less than efficient markets like in Malaysia and Asia ex Japan. wink.gif
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But like you mentioned, it served as a reference right?  sad.gif
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Hope for market-beating returns, expect market returns, dump market laggards icon_rolleyes.gif
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Just coming from someone that is not as active here anymore.

When a lot of people is mentioning it, it's either a love or hate relationship. In this case, love. Why do we love it? It's making us money. Personally I see China/HK as a promising market (after the lousy performance I got from GEYF), but KLCI is high in terms of valuation compared to the rest of the SEA market, trading at 17x PE. So don't go too gung-ho on KGF. If you monitor the market closely, there's not much of catalyst as of now... for September and October at least based on historical trend.

Just a thought for reference.
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at the moment im not so well versed as you guys... wont be half as sensitive to the nuances of the markets laugh.gif probably just gonna put some amount into some funds and leave it on auto-pilot for months (or a year) on end or something sweat.gif but okay, i understand what youre getting at about *wonderful* funds!

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 11 2014, 09:34 AM)
Hwang Quantum, yes. One of the best small-mid cap Asia ex Japan fund. Other alternative would be RHB-OSK Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust. But since takeover of OSK by RHB, most of us observed a downtrend in performance...

Eastspring Small Cap is not comparable, cos it's 100% Malaysian small-mid cap, whereas the 2 mentioned above have mandate to invest in offshore Asian markets.

As for KGF...yes, performance have been spectacular. U may also consider Eastspring Equity Income, both are 100% Malaysian equity fund. But I prefer Hwang Select Opportunity as the fund manager can diversify up to 30% in offshore markets if they see limited potential in Malaysian market.

Btw, to clarify, I'm saying FSM range of funds are wide-ranging, NOT the Recommended List. wink.gif
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just did quick comparison of latest stock holdings for Kenanga Growth and Eastspring Investment Equity Income....30% of stock holdings are overlapped for both funds...

still not too bad, i think, as these 2 MY funds will more or less cover the top 100-150 stocks in the Bursa.
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Past performance speaks for itself:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYAMCSVT.pdf

Comparable to the award-winning Hwang Select Income Fund, difference being, the Hwang fund can invest offshore.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 12 2014, 11:05 AM)
just did quick comparison of latest stock holdings for Kenanga Growth and Eastspring Investment Equity Income....30% of stock holdings are overlapped for both funds...

still not too bad, i think, as these 2 MY funds will more or less cover the top 100-150 stocks in the Bursa.
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Even though both may have similar stock pick holdings but KGF NAV swings more violently than ESI EIF.

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ROI within the time of interest:

KGF: 4.38%
ESIEIF: 0.97%

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from what i see, Equity Income fund invests more towards the bluest of the blue chips, while KGF is more diverse...

to put it as an analogy, i would say Equity Income probably invest in top 50 funds, while KGF top 100-150 funds in Bursa. each fund holds around 50-60 stocks.

QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 12 2014, 06:57 PM)
Even though both may have similar stock pick holdings but KGF NAV swings more violently than ESI EIF.

[attachmentid=4131603]

ROI within the time of interest:

KGF: 4.38%
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Good morning everybody... Planning to update my portfolio in my excel. Have not been doing it for 3 weeks... busy busy
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New to Unit Trust, so far investing in EastSpring, RHB OSK ,AmAsia & Hwang
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how long already?

via FSM?
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New to Unit Trust, so far investing in EastSpring, RHB OSK ,AmAsia & Hwang
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how long already?

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Yea need to slowly learn. So far seeing profit on some liao.
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I no kacau her as long as can get return 10%pa as she told me

what ur banker told u 1 year can earn?
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Nope from bank, 6 months. So far ok. Total invested 600k
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you are giving alot of additional sc to the bank.. smile.gif
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Nope, i put a lot of money into the bank, the RM reduce for me sc. Been long time customer of the bank

Cant tell you more details, as is P&C, but i dont feel confident use FSM at that time.
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I let the banker help me switch and buy...

I no kacau her as long as can get return 10%pa as she told me

what ur banker told u 1 year can earn?
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10% ?? I just told her to monitor and inform me what i need to buy when is good price, then i pump in and also get additional safety net in term of higher FD rates (higher than board rate)


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Good morning everybody... Planning to update my portfolio in my excel. Have not been doing it for 3 weeks... busy busy
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I haven't update mine in awhile. Got some new funds- SC quite high. ROI also shitty. Wait 2 months old only update tongue.gif
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For some [whom I know], the additional SC is a reasonable tradeoff (provided the returns are good; good being relative) and for others doing things the DIY manner gets them involved in the process smile.gif

Next up for me: syariah-compliant funds... of which my newbie mind thinks the differences to conventional ones lie only in the expenses and well... religious obligations of halal/haram

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Generally my portfolio. It actually dropped almost 1% in 2 months time. Couldnt point out which one is the culprit but the multi manager, all the global funds seem to contribute to it


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Generally my portfolio. It actually dropped almost 1% in 2 months time. Couldnt point out which one is the culprit but the multi manager, all the global funds seem to contribute to it
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An uninvited comment/opinion from me...

...dump the 2 RHB-OSK funds! biggrin.gif

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One of those RHB-OSK fund is only a feeder fund, majority of the asset feeds into the Russell funds.

Russell funds no good?
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One of those RHB-OSK fund is only a feeder fund, majority of the asset feeds into the Russell funds.

Russell funds no good?
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Compare its performance vs global funds like CIMB Global Titans wink.gif
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Compare its performance vs global funds like CIMB Global Titans wink.gif
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vmad.gif vmad.gif fyi,....my CIMB GTF from 16 Jan till 29 Aug...still -2.15%
hmm.gif should have bought at a BETTER time i guess.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 15 2014, 10:14 AM)
vmad.gif  vmad.gif fyi,....my CIMB GTF from 16 Jan till 29 Aug...still -2.15%
hmm.gif should have bought at a BETTER time i guess.
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Itu...baru 7 bulan tongue.gif

Pls evaluate based on longer timeframe i.e. 3 years and above whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 15 2014, 10:14 AM)
vmad.gif  vmad.gif fyi,....my CIMB GTF from 16 Jan till 29 Aug...still -2.15%
hmm.gif should have bought at a BETTER time i guess.
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That issue on timing: time to get into the fund.

My CIMB GTF is barely break even now. sad.gif
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Another red day for Hang Seng. Topped up CIMB Asia Pacific.
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Sorry...off topic...
about SIP/RSP....

how u tailos doing....say i have 10k...looking for 10 years investment...


invest RM100 monthly/yearly 1.2k/10 years become 10k...roughly la...but u losing to inflation till u use up all funds

or...some say, average out for 3 years only ...that is 300 every mth...within 3 years, 10k used up....

i believe lump sump not good idea...maybe only for bonds perhaps?

if this is already discussed somewhere, please point to right link and i will rtfm...just starting

advanced thank you

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QUOTE(rupart @ Sep 15 2014, 11:35 AM)
Sorry...off topic...
about SIP/RSP....

how u tailos doing....say i have 10k...looking for 10 years investment...
invest RM100 monthly/yearly 1.2k/10 years become 10k...roughly la...but u losing to inflation till u use up all funds

or...some say, average out for 3 years only ...that is 300 every mth...within 3 years, 10k used up....

i believe lump sump not good idea...maybe only for bonds perhaps?

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I personally would spread over 1-2 years

u not working? If u got extra cash every month, CAN lump sum the 10K in maybe 3 months, then every month top up
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ah ok...thx for the points...so
put the 10k in cash mgmt fund (cmf)
trsf every 3 months about 850 to selected fund
after 2 years, transfer some money again to cmf
put 100 monthly

looks like now cmf is at highest NAV....no harm putting it in anytime? assuming will keep gn up
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ah ok...thx for the points...so
put the 10k in cash mgmt fund (cmf)
trsf every 3 months about 850 to selected fund
after 2 years, transfer some money again to cmf
put 100 monthly

looks like now cmf is at highest NAV....no harm putting it in anytime? assuming will keep gn up
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CMF yield may still on up the upward trend due to an expectation of another OPR hike rate of 25 basis points in the upcoming months.
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CMF yield may still on up the upward trend due to an expectation of another OPR hike rate of 25 basis points in the upcoming months.
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OPR gonna hike again ?
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OPR gonna hike again ?
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Either on 18/9 or 6/11 or non event
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just curious.. how many of you guys here have a holding onto bond based funds ? cause i'm targetting to rebalance my funds to have a higher hold on bonds as i'm super in equity
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RHB-OSK EMERGING MARKETS BOND FUND, which is a feeder fund to fsm sg's UBGEMS

possible for fsm malaysia account to buy directly into fsm singapore's fund ?
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I won't be touching bond now locally or offshore with two factors:

1. Another hike of OPR from BNM
2. Possible interest hike by Federal Reserve


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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Sep 16 2014, 10:39 AM)
just curious.. how many of you guys here have a holding onto bond based funds ? cause i'm targetting to rebalance my funds to have a higher hold on bonds as i'm super in equity
currently looking at

RHB-OSK EMERGING MARKETS BOND FUND, which is a feeder fund to fsm sg's UBGEMS

possible for fsm malaysia account to buy directly into fsm singapore's fund ?
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I am holding Eastspring Inv Bond Fund b'coz that is the only EPF approved fixed income fund available and I am using it as a sinking fund to launch into their equity based funds slowly.

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I won't be touching bond now locally or offshore with two factors:

1. Another hike of OPR from BNM
2. Possible interest hike by Federal Reserve
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noted,, fed rev, nak buat interest hike ? hmmm long time no hear that... all bonds gonna suffer..

but isn't the market abit "hot" already
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 16 2014, 01:37 PM)
I am holding Eastspring Inv Bond Fund b'coz that is the only EPF approved fixed income fund available and I am using it as a sinking fund to launch into their equity based funds slowly.

Xuzen
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your reasoning to select is it because its epf approved ??
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Sep 16 2014, 10:39 AM)
just curious.. how many of you guys here have a holding onto bond based funds ? cause i'm targetting to rebalance my funds to have a higher hold on bonds as i'm super in equity
currently looking at

RHB-OSK EMERGING MARKETS BOND FUND, which is a feeder fund to fsm sg's UBGEMS

possible for fsm malaysia account to buy directly into fsm singapore's fund ?
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Cannot, cos different entity. U have to open account with FSM S'pore.
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your reasoning to select is it because its epf approved ??
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Hi David83, that's what I'm thinking too. Looking into REITs as part of my portfolio.
Your thoughts, please?
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Hi David83, that's what I'm thinking too. Looking into REITs as part of my portfolio.
Your thoughts, please?
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Looking into REITs as part of my portfolio.
Your thoughts, please?
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http://mreit.reitdata.com/

just for reference only. do your own research icon_rolleyes.gif
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Australia equities weak...top up CIMB Asia Pac Dynamite Income!

Also top up a bit Hwang Asia Quantum Ponzi biggrin.gif
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KLCI confirmed long-term downtrend smile.gif
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KLCI confirmed long-term downtrend smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 17 2014, 01:27 PM)
If got long-term investment horizon i.e. not trading, if u holding quality company stocks, I'd suggest to stay put, do nothing and just reap the dividend yield. Unless u very good trader can time your sales and purchases like King of Gambler biggrin.gif
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Actually no downtrend yet, just not uptrend any more smile.gif let's see how it goes smile.gif
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Actually no downtrend yet, just not uptrend any more smile.gif let's see how it goes smile.gif
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To put it simply, the days of easy/fast money is over. smile.gif
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Does anyone know if there is any easy way to compare the performance of lots of different funds on FSM compared against their respective benchmarks, as opposed to absolute returns, annualized returns etc.?
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Does anyone know if there is any easy way to compare the performance of lots of different funds on FSM compared against their respective benchmarks, as opposed to absolute returns, annualized returns etc.?
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chart centre?
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Finally make up my mind, doing RSP on Hwang Asia Quantum Fund.
Now waiting for my DDA form to clear.
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Chart centre only compares funds you select against indices that you select, right? I mean a way to see a list of funds and their performance against the benchmark selected by the fund's managers themselves in order to quickly see which managers are able to consistently beat their own benchmark. Some funds use benchmarks that draw from more than one index, so it isn't really possible to use chart centre to do this anyway.
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Just wondering, when i want to select the bank for payment, i have the not-a-problem problem below.

eventually when i login to my bank account it's https la, so secure, didn't worry so much. I can continue, which i did in the past, i was just wondering is it me or it's normal?

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Just wondering, when i want to select the bank for payment, i have the not-a-problem problem below.

eventually when i login to my bank account it's https la, so secure, didn't worry so much.  I can continue, which i did in the past, i was just wondering is it me or it's normal?

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Never seen that in all my cross-site transactions using FPX. Could be because I have HTTPS-Everywhere addon installed on the browser. So yeah... hmm.gif
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Never seen that in all my cross-site transactions using FPX. Could be because I have HTTPS-Everywhere addon installed on the browser. So yeah...  hmm.gif
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after i click pay now, and then this is prompted BEFORE the page where i select one of the 6 banks.

the last time this happened, i went ahead, cause the cimb thingy pop up, i see green padlock and https.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 18 2014, 09:36 AM)
Just wondering, when i want to select the bank for payment, i have the not-a-problem problem below.

eventually when i login to my bank account it's https la, so secure, didn't worry so much.  I can continue, which i did in the past, i was just wondering is it me or it's normal?

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What browser u using? I don't see that with IE nor Firefox
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KLCI going dowwntrend..
Time to Top Up.. LOL
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Tis the season for stock-picking...

...past 2 days my personal stocks portfolio went up, and they're not speculative stocks biggrin.gif

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Tis the season for stock-picking...

...past 2 days my personal stocks portfolio went up, and they're not speculative stocks biggrin.gif
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Yea, that counts in experience talk as well.
I think this year quite a number of people got burn from stocks smile.gif
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What browser u using? I don't see that with IE nor Firefox
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Chrome. i was getting the similar problem with ie...

on 2nd thought, might be office pc/line problem.
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Chrome. i was getting the similar problem with ie...

on 2nd thought, might be office pc/line problem.
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See if you have that problem at home (next time). When behind a network, it could be the different hops and/or dedicated DNS (government offices and some varsities) break encryption and the browser automatically picks that up and alerted you.

But it's not the SSL Error that some encountered but have a look around if you're still worried. A wrong system time seems to be enough to throw off audit.
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KGF drops so much for two consecutive days. Same applies to ESISC today. sad.gif
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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Sep 18 2014, 01:02 PM)
See if you have that problem at home (next time). When behind a network, it could be the different hops and/or dedicated DNS (government offices and some varsities) break encryption and the browser automatically picks that up and alerted you.

But it's not the SSL Error that some encountered but have a look around if you're still worried. A wrong system time seems to be enough to throw off audit.
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thanks for your help. looks like it MY 'techie' problem.

KGF... i have faith in lee sook yee... short term fluctuation bound to be there. i blame my timing. Luckily my stock not bleeding much.
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...but my portfolio going up tongue.gif

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KGF drops so much for two consecutive days. Same applies to ESISC today. sad.gif
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My algo has already prompted me to reduce my exposure to Bolehland large cap two months back and I have steadily reduce my exposure to them. KGF & ESEIF both I have reduced by 20%.

However, my algo prompted me to increase Bolehland small cap (ESSCF), US (RHB US Equity) and Asia-Pac (Ponzi) and REITs (Hwang-REITs).

Xuzen

p/s

I believe I will reduce my Bolehland exposure (both large cap & second liner) further in anticipation of a large correction post GST implementation.

Looking forward, Asia-Pac, REITs and US will be my main equities exposure. I will also keep a higher percentage in money-mkt fund as I believe OPR hike is imminent.




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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 18 2014, 03:55 PM)
My algo has already prompted me to reduce my exposure to Bolehland large cap two months back and I have steadily reduce my exposure to them. KGF & ESEIF both I have reduced by 20%.

However, my algo prompted me to increase Bolehland small cap (ESSCF), US (RHB US Equity) and Asia-Pac (Ponzi) and REITs (Hwang-REITs).

Xuzen

p/s

I believe I will reduce my Bolehland exposure (both large cap & second liner) further in anticipation of a large correction post GST implementation.

Looking forward, Asia-Pac, REITs and US will be my main equities exposure. I will also keep a higher percentage in money-mkt fund as I believe OPR hike is imminent.
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you top up which fund?
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I wonder why is the KLCI is going more to red recently ?
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I wonder why is the KLCI is going more to red recently ?
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Lower CPO price (effect plantation counters like FGV, Sime etc.)

Outcome of Bank Negara Malaysia's Monetary Policy Committee meeting (OPR rate changes)

Concern over Federal Reserve’s interest rates decision

Foreign Fund outflow/selling

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BNM maintains OPR as expected. Too soon from previous hike.

End of the year is more likely.
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I personally would spread over 1-2 years

u not working? If u got extra cash every month, CAN lump sum the 10K in maybe 3 months, then every month top up
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I have some qs. My acc just got activated and reading up. In Kenanga Growth Fund fact sheet, the rates are as follow. I thought FSM max 2% only? Thank you very much in advance


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Direct sales staff of KIB and walk-in customers Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Agency Sales Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Institutional Unit Trust Advisers Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Financial Planners Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.

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Hi
I have some qs. My acc just got activated and reading up. In Kenanga Growth Fund fact sheet, the rates are as follow. I thought FSM max 2% only? Thank you very much in advance
Sales Charge
Direct sales staff of KIB and walk-in customers Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Agency Sales Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Institutional Unit Trust Advisers Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.
Financial Planners Up to 5.50% of the NAV per Unit.

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Yes, if you buy it through FSM.

5.5% if you buy from KGF or other channels.
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Hi
I have some qs. My acc just got activated and reading up. In Kenanga Growth Fund fact sheet, the rates are as follow. I thought FSM max 2% only? Thank you very much in advance
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IN FACT, because you are new, you have new member benefit, so it will be just 1% until the new member benefit expires. You should refer to the FSM sales charge on the FSM page for the specific fund (or places at FSM) and not the fact sheet.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 18 2014, 08:09 PM)
IN FACT, because you are new, you have new member benefit, so it will be just 1% until the new member benefit expires. You should refer to the FSM sales charge on the FSM page for the specific fund (or places at FSM) and not the fact sheet.
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That offer is for Member who join before Aug 31st. No more for now.


Update:
The 1% SC deal still on!
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I joined after Aug 31st. The offer still valid because somebody from FSM call me about the offer. How true is true? hmm.gif

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I joined after Aug 31st. The offer still valid because somebody from FSM call me about the offer. How true is true? hmm.gif

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then before you buy any fund make sure the SC is 1%/2%
My privilege already expired cry.gif
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I will double check on it bro. Thanks.

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I will double check on it bro. Thanks.

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Bro i doubled checked.
the deal is still on for you!
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Sep 18 2014, 09:02 PM)
I joined after Aug 31st. The offer still valid because somebody from FSM call me about the offer. How true is true? :hmm:

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Welcome. Nice to see you here, after many years
Guess I've moved on with diff interest now eh
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Haha. Yes bro. Interest changed together with age. laugh.gif

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DJIA and S&P 500 closed at record high:

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Fund Name 1-month %
1. RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield Fund 5.58

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Why cursed fund?

MYR got really weak, the past 2 weeks... guess makes sense that somehow the top funds are global funds...

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I ha tried to semi/annual financial report, product sheet, fact sheet, none of it actually show the full holdings.
Wanna know what is happening in the fund.

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Kind of new in FSM, just wondering is it possible to check all the holdings of a particular fund?
I ha tried to semi/annual financial report, product sheet, fact sheet, none of it actually show the full holdings.
Wanna know what is happening in the fund.

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Can see full holdings only in annual/semi-annual reports. Fact sheet only shows Top 10 holdings.
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The cursed fund flies! :x

Fund Name 1-month %
1. RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield Fund   5.58
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This fund sudden surge, sudden drop. Within this year, the drop is wow. The portfolio going up and down like a roller coaster.

Your Cimb GT also not bad ma 3%++

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This fund sudden surge, sudden drop. Within this year, the drop is wow. The portfolio going up and down like a roller coaster.
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Sep 19 2014, 01:46 PM)
i still got keep GEY  biggrin.gif

Your Cimb GT also not bad ma 3%++
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Nama pun dah "GT"...of cos not bad biggrin.gif

cos GEYF is very overweight US...40%++ yo

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Since you are confused about units and distributions, your tips are not a good idea.


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Since you are confused about units and distributions, your tips are not a good idea.
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eastspring fund, worth to INVEST now ?
MARKET are very HIGH now shocking.gif

just put a bit of money..
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MARKET are very HIGH now shocking.gif

just put a bit of money..
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1) Eastspring got 22 funds which fund you talking about???
2) You didn't read Post #1 don't you?
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1) Eastspring got 22 funds which fund you talking about???
2) You didn't read Post #1 don't you?
 
First of all, understand what is NAV price. I always like to explain things by using simple examples. Here goes...



Eastspring many good fund.... which will u recommend most ?

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Hello bros, i just joined the train of Fundsupermart, below are the funds that I am planning to do RSP.

1. Kenaga Growth Fund
2. Eastspring Investment Small Cap
3. CIMB Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
4. RHB-OSK Smart Treasure Fund

All sifus please kindly give me advice on the above selections, many thanks.

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QUOTE(NeN51 @ Sep 20 2014, 11:15 AM)
Hello bros, i just joined the train of Fundsupermart, below are the funds that I am planning to do RSP.

1. Kenaga Growth Fund
2. Eastspring Investment Small Cap
3. CIMB Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
4. RHB-OSK Smart Treasure Fund

All sifus please kindly give me advice on the above selections, many thanks.
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All good choice except no. 4. Ditch it in exchange for Eastspring Investment MY Focus Fund. If you choose this new fund, you may drop KGF.

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QUOTE(NeN51 @ Sep 20 2014, 11:15 AM)
Hello bros, i just joined the train of Fundsupermart, below are the funds that I am planning to do RSP.

1. Kenaga Growth Fund
2. Eastspring Investment Small Cap
3. CIMB Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
4. RHB-OSK Smart Treasure Fund

All sifus please kindly give me advice on the above selections, many thanks.
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Maybe throw in a global fund into the mix?

i tak tau recommend... but FSM recommend aberdeen islamic world this month. biggrin.gif

Cause 1&2 (or if you go for ES my focus fund) these are local centric.


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Is 40% of holdings in local equities good then? Any ideal (or near ideal) breakdown in view of less than impressive market performance?
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Is 40% of holdings in local equities good then? Any ideal (or near ideal) breakdown in view of less than impressive market performance?
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Despite the less than impressive mkt performance of the local bourse, local jaguh kampong funds still have very good risk-adjusted performance compared to off-shore fund.

I am partial towards it and putting around 60 to 55% into it. Bear in mind, early of this year and end of last year, my portfolio was 80% jaguh kampong funds. I have been reducing it slowly towards the 55% mark. I am shifting more towards REITs and Asia-Pac.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2014, 04:10 PM)
u mean this LINK? hmm.gif
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My algo sendiri tulis punya (proprietary product - patent pending cool2.gif ).. pakai excel punya makro learned during college/uni days. Those days used to pakai Windows 3.11 wan leh.... now you know how ancient I am liao hor...

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2014, 03:10 PM)
Despite the less than impressive mkt performance of the local bourse, local jaguh kampong funds still have very good risk-adjusted performance compared to off-shore fund.

I am partial towards it and putting around 60 to 55% into it. Bear in mind, early of this year and end of last year, my portfolio was 80% jaguh kampong funds. I have been reducing it slowly towards the 55% mark. I am shifting more towards REITs and Asia-Pac.

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I see. Thanks Xuzen. Back to the drawing board and good 'ol Excel
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2014, 03:14 PM)
Nope.. need to pay wan... dun wan lar!

My algo sendiri tulis punya (proprietary product - patent pending  cool2.gif ).. pakai excel punya makro learned during college/uni days. Those days used to pakai Windows 3.11 wan leh.... now you know how ancient I am liao hor...

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Talk to me about DOS and LOTUS 1-2-3, then only ancient  laugh.gif
eh - upload to Google Sheet and share share lar  brows.gif
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Pasal tu Google share hor... "TAK NAK!".

Algo ni, untuk cari makan punyer.... no share share.

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Talk to me about DOS and LOTUS 1-2-3, then only ancient  laugh.gif
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You mean you never had to use CP/M? or Applesoft DOS? smile.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2014, 03:14 PM)
Nope.. need to pay wan... dun wan lar!

My algo sendiri tulis punya (proprietary product - patent pending  cool2.gif ).. pakai excel punya makro learned during college/uni days. Those days used to pakai Windows 3.11 wan leh.... now you know how ancient I am liao hor...

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wow u did own algo notworthy.gif

have win3.11 meh hmm.gif Never heard it b4 rclxub.gif
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wow u did own algo notworthy.gif

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Hello my old friend. Somehow I remember it to be less complicated, less cluttered and easy to use.

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Hello my old friend. Somehow I remember it to be less complicated, less cluttered and easy to use.

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what do you guys think about AMASIA PACIFIC EQUITY INCOME ?
Its has been giving out nice dividend, and performance seems to be not bad.
Wanna get feedback from you guys.
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QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 10:59 AM)
what do you guys think about AMASIA PACIFIC EQUITY INCOME  ?
Its has been giving out nice dividend, and performance seems to be not bad.
Wanna get feedback from you guys.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:02 AM)
In unit trust investing, NEVER bother about dividends. Go read Post #1 thoroughly.
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QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 11:11 AM)
Already read. Thanks
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Dividends are irrelevant. UT investors are concerned with TOTAL GROWTH.

I suggest u to compare this fund to

CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income
Kenanga Asia Pac Total Return
Pheim Asia ex Japan
Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pac Equity

See which one u like better?

See their investment mandate, past returns, benchmark, performance vs benchmark, performance vs peers, volatility and so on

I personally like the CIMB fund

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:18 AM)
Dividends are irrelevant. UT investors are concerned with TOTAL GROWTH.

I suggest u to compare this fund to

CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income
Kenanga Asia Pac Total Return
Pheim Asia ex Japan
Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pac Equity

See which one u like better?

See their investment mandate, past returns, benchmark, performance vs benchmark, performance vs peers, volatility and so on

I personally like the CIMB fund
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Thanks for your advice. I will compare them.
Actually I was comparing to AMB Dividend trust which I'm holding, and its performing better.
I will compare to those which you suggested.

Thanks again. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 11:23 AM)
Thanks for your advice. I will compare them.
Actually I was comparing to AMB Dividend trust which I'm holding, and its performing better.
I will compare to those which you suggested.

Thanks again.  biggrin.gif
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They're different creatures

AMB Dividen Trust is 70% Malaysia + 30% Asia ex Japan

The other funds I suggested and the one u looked at is UNRESTRICTED Asia fund

If u dun wan a rollercoaster ride...invest in a portfolio of at least 4-5 funds. Then u can practically leave ur investments in autopilot, treat it as supplement to EPF savings. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:27 AM)
They're different creatures

AMB Dividen Trust is 70% Malaysia + 30% Asia ex Japan

The other funds I suggested and the one u looked at is UNRESTRICTED Asia fund

If u dun wan a rollercoaster ride...invest in a portfolio of at least 4-5 funds. Then u can practically leave ur investments in autopilot, treat it as supplement to EPF savings. smile.gif
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Recently bought AMB Income Trust, so was looking for an Equity fund now.
CIMB seems to be good. Will look further into it.

Is it a good idea to buy Kenanga Growth in RSP?
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QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 11:34 AM)
Recently bought AMB Income Trust, so was looking for an Equity fund now.
CIMB seems to be good. Will look further into it.

Is it a good idea to buy Kenanga Growth in RSP?
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Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividen Trust, Hwang Select Opportunity, Eastspring Equity Income, they're more or less similar creatures.

Don't buy 2-3 funds that has similar investment mandate just because they are strong performers:
- past performance will not necessarily repeat in future
- what goes up (too much/fast) will most likely fall
- don't put all eggs in one basket. in this case, if Malaysian equities kaboom, so will your portfolio

Learn how to build a portfolio

If u believe in what xuzen preaches, u MAY invest a large chunk (perhaps 33-50%?) in a Malaysian equity fund, then the rest spread over a Asian equity fund, a global equity fund, a small/mid cap Asia fund...

FSM favours a more diversified approach, no one fund will have more than 20% allocation.

See your preference...I'm more biased toward FSM approach because I also have also invested on my own in Malaysian stocks, so for my UT portfolio, it's diversified like FSM's

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Hwang's fund now add "Affin" in front.
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Hwang's fund now add "Affin" in front.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 01:48 PM)
so long name :sweat:  :x
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Yea... super long.
Wow today bolehland fund flying. ESCF 0.8%

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:18 AM)
Dividends are irrelevant. UT investors are concerned with TOTAL GROWTH.

I suggest u to compare this fund to

CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income
Kenanga Asia Pac Total Return
Pheim Asia ex Japan
Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pac Equity

See which one u like better?

See their investment mandate, past returns, benchmark, performance vs benchmark, performance vs peers, volatility and so on

I personally like the CIMB fund
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Any PRS CIMB fund to recommend?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Sep 22 2014, 02:23 PM)
Any PRS CIMB fund to recommend?
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I didn't study any PRS fund

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maybe of interest to some....

Top 10 Best Performing Unit Trust Funds As of 12th September 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...rust-funds.html

Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) Fund Performance As of 27 Aug 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...e-prs-fund.html

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:39 AM)
Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividen Trust, Hwang Select Opportunity, Eastspring Equity Income, they're more or less similar creatures.

Don't buy 2-3 funds that has similar investment mandate just because they are strong performers:
- past performance will not necessarily repeat in future
- what goes up (too much/fast) will most likely fall
- don't put all eggs in one basket. in this case, if Malaysian equities kaboom, so will your portfolio

Learn how to build a portfolio

If u believe in what xuzen preaches, u MAY invest a large chunk (perhaps 33-50%?) in a Malaysian equity fund, then the rest spread over a Asian equity fund, a global equity fund, a small/mid cap Asia fund...

FSM favours a more diversified approach, no one fund will have more than 20% allocation.

See your preference...I'm more biased toward FSM approach because I also have also invested on my own in Malaysian stocks, so for my UT portfolio, it's diversified like FSM's
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I believe in diversified portfolio. Moving towards that direction, that's why looking at Asia Pacific that @xuzen recommend in previous post.

When you are saying Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividend Trust are similar, so means I should focus on either one rather than in both right?
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QUOTE(joequah1 @ Sep 22 2014, 03:05 PM)
I believe in diversified portfolio. Moving towards that direction, that's why looking at Asia Pacific that @xuzen recommend in previous post. 

When you are saying Kenanga Growth, AMB Dividend Trust are similar, so means I should focus on either one rather than in both right?
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Yes. U don't need more than one Malaysian equity fund that focuses mainly on larger caps.

But if let's say u select Kenanga Growth/AMB Dividen Trust + Hwang Select Asia Quantum/Eastspring Small Cap, then it's okay, cos Quantum and Eastspring Small Cap is investing in small/mid caps.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 20 2014, 08:01 PM)
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 22 2014, 02:27 PM)
maybe of interest to some....

Top 10 Best Performing Unit Trust Funds As of 12th September 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...rust-funds.html

Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) Fund Performance As of 27 Aug 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...e-prs-fund.html
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All Sifu,

First of all, pardon me for my knowledge on UT investment, as I'm just started to do some research now,
As I search/compare the UT using iMoney , It showed such a great profit (refer to attachment below)
Can anyone tell me how is that work ? I invest 20k and got almost 30k back after 1year ? Thats look too good to be real.
I understand the risk is very high, that I might lose money as well.

But I just dun understand how it actually come out with this figure.

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All Sifu,

First of all, pardon me for my knowledge on UT investment, as I'm just started to do some research now,
As I search/compare the UT using iMoney , It showed such a great profit (refer to attachment below)
Can anyone tell me how is that work ? I invest 20k and got almost 30k back after 1year ? Thats look too good to be real.
I understand the risk is very high, that I might lose money as well.

But I just dun understand how it actually come out with this figure.
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First, go Google or ask Wikipedia, "what is unit trust?"

UT is an investment, NOT a deposit. Investment can go + or -, there is no certainty that past performance can be replicated in the future.

What is UT? To put it simply, the UT manager takes your money and invest in stocks of listed companies.

Please do not assume that UT=guaranteed profit, u don't go jumping around and scream "scam!" if a fund that used to deliver +20%++ returns kaboom and plunge -30% after u buy in tongue.gif

And this iMoney calculation will mislead newbie investors shakehead.gif

Ok, as for the calculation...

U invest RM20,000
2% sales charge
So u will only get RM20,000 / 1.02 = RM19,607.84 actually invested, the difference is used to pay the sales charge i.e. commission
Take Kenanga Growth, past 1-yr return is +29.96%
So, RM19,607.84 x 1.2996 = RM25,482.35

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 05:30 PM)
First, go Google or ask Wikipedia, "what is unit trust?"

UT is an investment, NOT a deposit. Investment can go + or -, there is no certainty that past performance can be replicated in the future.

What is UT? To put it simply, the UT manager takes your money and invest in stocks of listed companies.

Please do not assume that UT=guaranteed profit, u don't go jumping around and scream "scam!" if a fund that used to deliver +20%++ returns kaboom and plunge -30% after u buy in tongue.gif

And this iMoney calculation will mislead newbie investors shakehead.gif
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Ya, I understand the basic of the UT , what is it and how does it work.
And I understand oso it could be - / + if I invest my money in.

But is it real that in the past this UT (as shown in my previous attachment) has perform that well ? ~49% in return for one year ?

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Ya, I understand the basic of the UT , what is it and how does it work.
And I understand oso it could be - / + if I invest my money in.

But is it real that in the past this UT (as shown in my previous attachment) has perform that well ? ~49% in return for one year ?
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Yes, it's real.

Past 1 year has been VERY generous to Malaysian equity investors, some small cap/speculative stocks have been flying

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just wait for the local equity market crash, then u can see how the UT perform. Last time I could remember some forummer said he/she lost some 36% in UT
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2014, 11:57 AM)
All good choice except no. 4. Ditch it in exchange for Eastspring Investment MY Focus Fund. If you choose this new fund, you may drop KGF.

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thanks sifu Xuzen, will study the recommended fund! rclxm9.gif
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Why can't I access to Kenangainvestor website these days?
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Last weekend was down and totally inaccessible.

But can access it yesterday night around 7 to 8pm.
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just wait for the local equity market crash, then u can see how the UT perform. Last time I could remember some forummer said he/she lost some 36% in UT
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I lost about 25% during 2010/2011 tongue.gif
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I lost about 25% during 2010/2011 tongue.gif
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maybe of interest to some....

Top 10 Best Performing Unit Trust Funds As of 12th September 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...rust-funds.html

Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) Fund Performance As of 27 Aug 2014
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2014/...e-prs-fund.html
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I'm not sure how this website got the info from the morningstar website because I can't get the listing from the free morningstar web.

but anyway, we can check the PRS fund via fundsupermart also, just go to fund info > fund selector >

Click on the Private Retirement Schemes (PRS) Providers drop down list and select all

the last I check , "CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C" which invests into the "CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund" is currently the top rank fund for the 1 year category at 18.62%

this was not shown in the invest-made-easy website, I wonder why. Kenanga PRF was not in the FSM ranking probably because FSM just started selling it this year.

the next highest PRF fund for 1 year is "Affin Hwang AIIMAN PRS Shariah Growth Fund" at 11.49%

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haha did u top up more then?
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anyone knows how fast the money can be credited after sales?
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anyone knows how fast the money can be credited after sales?
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thanks...

have no choice to liquid all investment there and cabut with 19.63% return...
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thanks...

have no choice to liquid all investment there and cabut with 19.63% return...
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That time I noob...I cabut, sold everything blush.gif
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read the first post but understand nothing about the misconception part. But still insist to try try UT. what do you guys think?
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read the first post but understand nothing about the misconception part. But still insist to try try UT. what do you guys think?
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What is it that u don't understand? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 23 2014, 03:47 PM)
What is it that u don't understand? laugh.gif
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Thank you so much sifu laugh.gif
Well, i am still very new in this and i believe most of the questions below will surely laugh die you guys sweat.gif \

May i know is NAV equivalent to unit price?


Q1. NAV pricing and processing time
"you will purchase units based on NAV pricing of that day. However, NAV pricing for most funds will only be published by the Fund House after 5PM on the next working day"

May I know why is the publishing time is so slow (outdated)? Why cant it announces the price everytime it changes?

"On T+4, your order will be incorporated into your holdings summary, purchase order is therefore fully completed."

Lets say if the NAV increases by 10% after the 4 days, will i receive lesser units from my purchase? Or the purchase is based on the first day NAV?

Q2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...

- Fund ABC issues 1 million units at Initial Offer Price of RM1.00 per unit.
- As such, at Day 1, NAV of ABC is 1 million units x RM1.00 = RM1 million. NAV price is RM1.00.
- After the end of the Initial Offer Period, ABC starts to operate, it starts to invest.
- Let's say ABC bought RM200,000 worth of Maybank shares, RM300,000 of Dutch Lady shares and RM500,000 of BAT shares.
- Let's say after 1 month,

Market value of holdings"Maybank RM180,000
Dutch Lady RM360,000
Guinness Anchor RM400,000
BAT shares were sold off during the month"

Pardon me, but why is there suddenly RM400 000 from Guinness Anchor appearing? Fund ABC only bought maybank, dutch lady and BAT right?
And why is BAT giving RM50000 dividend all of a sudden?
Why is NAV price per unit: RM940,000 / 1 million units and not RM990000/1million units?

Q3 Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
"You hold 100 units at RM1.00 each. RM1.00 x 100 = RM100
Let's say you get 10 units extra from distribution"

I am confused. rclxub.gif I thought we gain profit from UT through unit price increment and not units increment?

The rest of the misconception are beyond my understanding so I need sometime to digest it first.

Once again,
Thank you so much bro Pink spider!! notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 04:20 PM)
Thank you so much sifu  laugh.gif
Well, i am still very new in this and i believe most of the questions below will surely laugh die you guys  sweat.gif \

The rest of the misconception are beyond my understanding so I need sometime to digest it first.

Once again,
Thank you so much bro Pink spider!!  notworthy.gif
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NAV stands for "Net Asset Value", this term is used interchangeably with unit price.

Q1. NAV pricing and processing time
"you will purchase units based on NAV pricing of that day. However, NAV pricing for most funds will only be published by the Fund House after 5PM on the next working day"

May I know why is the publishing time is so slow (outdated)? Why cant it announces the price everytime it changes?
- Taikor...a UT fund could be holding 30-100 different stocks...stock prices changes every second from 9AM to 5AM during a trading day...u want the UT manager to update every second and post online for u see meh? And some funds hold foreign company stocks...as at 5PM today, US markets also haven't even open, not to say close, how to update? sweat.gif

"On T+4, your order will be incorporated into your holdings summary, purchase order is therefore fully completed."

Lets say if the NAV increases by 10% after the 4 days, will i receive lesser units from my purchase? Or the purchase is based on the first day NAV?
- T+4 is only the processing delay for the units to be shown in your holdings summary...your order will be priced on T=Transaction Day

Q2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...

- Fund ABC issues 1 million units at Initial Offer Price of RM1.00 per unit.
- As such, at Day 1, NAV of ABC is 1 million units x RM1.00 = RM1 million. NAV price is RM1.00.
- After the end of the Initial Offer Period, ABC starts to operate, it starts to invest.
- Let's say ABC bought RM200,000 worth of Maybank shares, RM300,000 of Dutch Lady shares and RM500,000 of BAT shares.
- Let's say after 1 month,

Market value of holdings"Maybank RM180,000
Dutch Lady RM360,000
Guinness Anchor RM400,000
BAT shares were sold off during the month"

Pardon me, but why is there suddenly RM400 000 from Guinness Anchor appearing? Fund ABC only bought maybank, dutch lady and BAT right?
- This is only a sample scenario...in this scenario, the fund first bought Maybank, DLADY and BAT. But have subsequently sold off BAT and bought Guinness Anchor. Open your eyes big big mad.gif

And why is BAT giving RM50000 dividend all of a sudden?
- Aiyoyoyoyo...as above, this is only a sample scenario to illustrate my points. Listed companies distributes dividends every now and then. U wanna know why? Call Directors of BAT and ask them! laugh.gif

Why is NAV price per unit: RM940,000 / 1 million units and not RM990000/1million units?
- Aiks...ini typo error! Thanks for pointing out blush.gif

Q3 Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
"You hold 100 units at RM1.00 each. RM1.00 x 100 = RM100
Let's say you get 10 units extra from distribution"

I am confused. rclxub.gif I thought we gain profit from UT through unit price increment and not units increment?
- This...to explain, involves quite complicated maths rclxub.gif
Just remember this:
"After distribution, you get more units, and your unit cost will go down. BUT AT THE SAME TIME the value per unit i.e. NAV price also comes down"


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 23 2014, 04:32 PM)
NAV stands for "Net Asset Value", this term is used interchangeably with unit price.

Q1. NAV pricing and processing time
"you will purchase units based on NAV pricing of that day. However, NAV pricing for most funds will only be published by the Fund House after 5PM on the next working day"

May I know why is the publishing time is so slow (outdated)? Why cant it announces the price everytime it changes?
- Taikor...a UT fund could be holding 30-100 different stocks...stock prices changes every second from 9AM to 5AM during a trading day...u want the UT manager to update every second and post online for u see meh? And some funds hold foreign company stocks...as at 5PM today, US markets also haven't even open, not to say close, how to update? sweat.gif

"On T+4, your order will be incorporated into your holdings summary, purchase order is therefore fully completed."

Lets say if the NAV increases by 10% after the 4 days, will i receive lesser units from my purchase? Or the purchase is based on the first day NAV?
- T+4 is only the processing delay for the units to be shown in your holdings summary...your order will be priced on T=Transaction Day

Q2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...

- Fund ABC issues 1 million units at Initial Offer Price of RM1.00 per unit.
- As such, at Day 1, NAV of ABC is 1 million units x RM1.00 = RM1 million. NAV price is RM1.00.
- After the end of the Initial Offer Period, ABC starts to operate, it starts to invest.
- Let's say ABC bought RM200,000 worth of Maybank shares, RM300,000 of Dutch Lady shares and RM500,000 of BAT shares.
- Let's say after 1 month,

Market value of holdings"Maybank RM180,000
Dutch Lady RM360,000
Guinness Anchor RM400,000
BAT shares were sold off during the month"

Pardon me, but why is there suddenly RM400 000 from Guinness Anchor appearing? Fund ABC only bought maybank, dutch lady and BAT right?
- This is only a sample scenario...in this scenario, the fund first bought Maybank, DLADY and BAT. But have subsequently sold off BAT and bought Guinness Anchor. Open your eyes big big mad.gif

And why is BAT giving RM50000 dividend all of a sudden?
- Aiyoyoyoyo...as above, this is only a sample scenario to illustrate my points. Listed companies distributes dividends every now and then. U wanna know why? Call Directors of BAT and ask them! laugh.gif

Why is NAV price per unit: RM940,000 / 1 million units and not RM990000/1million units?
- Aiks...ini typo error! Thanks for pointing out blush.gif

Q3 Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
"You hold 100 units at RM1.00 each. RM1.00 x 100 = RM100
Let's say you get 10 units extra from distribution"

I am confused.  rclxub.gif  I thought we gain profit from UT through unit price increment and not units increment?
- This...to explain, involves quite complicated maths rclxub.gif
Just remember this:
"After distribution, you get more units, and your unit cost will go down. BUT AT THE SAME TIME the value per unit i.e. NAV price also comes down"

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Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here hmm.gif


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QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 06:27 PM)
Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here  hmm.gif
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Correct... dividends and unit splits mean nothing in UT.. they are just done to lower the "price" without lowering the value. See a lot of people think unit trusts are like shares, they are not. The price of a ut goes up because the fund manager is good, there are no fundamentals that will cause the price to go up. Saying a fund price is too high is like saying the fund manager is too good lol. Most people don't like high prices, but they like to have the value of the fund go up. But for the value of the fund to go up, the price has to increase. But most people will not buy into a high-priced fund because wah so expensive how to buy. So we need a way to control the price but still retain the value.

So how do we retain the value of the fund, without increasing the price of the fund? The solution is to lower the price and then declare a div for the amount it was lowered. The price comes down, but the value does not change, problem solved smile.gif

So that's why they do it. If the fund manager thinks people will not buy the fund because the price is too high, they will do that stuff (unit split, dividend etc.) so they can drop the price without affecting the value.




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QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 06:27 PM)
Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here  hmm.gif
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Yes, and no. The correct term is "Income Distribution".

Yes, there is a income distribution if you elected to have the distribution as 'cash'.

No, there is no income distribution if you elected to have the distribution 'reinvested' (and the fund company converts the income distribution into more units.)

The 2nd option, you will get more units. But with unit price adjusted accordingly, you will still have the same amount in ringgit before and after the distribution date.

BTW. The above example is a bit extreme, no fund would declare 50%. It is more like RM1/unit going up to about 1.100/unit, with 8-9% declared as distribution, and then the price drops back down to about RM1.

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Sep 23 2014, 07:34 PM)
Correct... dividends and unit splits mean nothing in UT.. they are just done to lower the "price" without lowering the value. See a lot of people think unit trusts are like shares, they are not. The price of a ut goes up because the fund manager is good,  there are no fundamentals that will cause the price to go up. Saying a fund price is too high is like saying the fund manager is too good lol. Most people don't like high prices, but they like to have the value of the fund go up. But for the value of the fund to go up, the price has to increase.  But most people will not buy into a high-priced fund because wah so expensive how to buy. So we need a way to control the price but still retain the value.

So how do we retain the value of the fund, without increasing the price of the fund? The solution is to lower the price and then declare a div for the amount it was lowered. The price comes down, but the value does not change, problem solved smile.gif

So that's why they do it. If the fund manager thinks people will not buy the fund because the price is too high, they will do that stuff (unit split, dividend etc.) so they can drop the price without affecting the value.
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I think it is a market myth... smart investors know about nav pricing...

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 07:40 PM)
I think it is a market myth... smart investors know about nav pricing...
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It is simple when we hit the level of knowledge and experiences. It took me 5 years since I know unit trust before trusted myself to buy UT.
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Sep 23 2014, 08:13 PM)
It is simple when we hit the level of knowledge and experiences. It took me 5 years since I know unit trust before trusted myself to buy UT.
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The moment you bought UT, you were a smart investor. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 08:27 PM)
The moment you bought UT, you were a smart investor.  tongue.gif
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haha PM also smart? innocent.gif innocent.gif innocent.gif
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 23 2014, 08:29 PM)
haha PM also smart?  innocent.gif  innocent.gif  innocent.gif
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I see, someone is hurting because I was too frank in my opinions?

Grow up, kid.

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 08:27 PM)
The moment you bought UT, you were a smart investor.  tongue.gif
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Aiyooooooooo... not like tat lor. UT is just 1 of investment option, still not smart enough. Many other investment option also still need to know and get experiences. I used to put eggs in many basket.
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 08:35 PM)
I see, someone is hurting because I was too frank in my opinions?

Grow up, kid.
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blink.gif haha.. i mean PM funds not smart enough! Haha..
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QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 06:27 PM)
Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here  hmm.gif
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In UT, distribution =/= income

QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
Yes, and no. The correct term is "Income Distribution".

Yes, there is a income distribution if you elected to have the distribution as 'cash'.

No, there is no income distribution if you elected to have the distribution 'reinvested' (and the fund company converts the income distribution into more units.)

The 2nd option, you will get more units.  But with unit price adjusted accordingly, you will still have the same amount in ringgit before and after the distribution date.

BTW. The above example is a bit extreme, no fund would declare 50%. It is more like RM1/unit going up to about 1.100/unit, with 8-9% declared as distribution, and then the price drops back down to about RM1.
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QUOTE(em0kia @ Sep 23 2014, 06:27 PM)
Okay, so for Q3, distribution can actually be categorized into two types: Unit increment and unit price increament.
Unit increment is like:
Before distribution: 1000 units x RM1/unit = RM1000
After distribution: 2000 units x RM0.5/unit = RM1000
So even though the total amount is still the same, but we gain more units.

But if its like this, then is this distribution consider an income? I dont see any earning from here  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
BTW. The above example is a bit extreme, no fund would declare 50%. It is more like RM1/unit going up to about 1.100/unit, with 8-9% declared as distribution, and then the price drops back down to about RM1.
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Actually no. Eastspring Growth and small cap declared exactly this. 1:1 unit split effective today.
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Sep 23 2014, 08:45 PM)
Aiyooooooooo... not like tat lor. UT is just 1 of investment option, still not smart enough. Many other investment option also still need to know and get experiences. I used to put eggs in many basket.
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... then you are among the better investors with your past experiences. But why "used to put eggs in many basket", do you meant that you are pulling all other investments into one investment option?

I'm currently very bias towards UT, so in my book, anyone who invest into any UT fund is among the smarter investors.

QUOTE(woonsc @ Sep 23 2014, 08:45 PM)
blink.gif  haha.. i mean PM funds not smart enough! Haha..
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I'm still not getting your dig with your posts with more icons than words... you're trying to sound witty and smart, but joined the conversation in a rude, sarcastic manner trying to shot at me with a weak insinuation.

The insinuation was maybe triggered because I put you down before previously in another post? If so, be matured enough and move on, as you had missed the opportunity to point that out in that previous post, and should reply to the current posts without adding another new element in your reply.

Someone else posting the same remark as yours, I would take the time to further clarify why I won't have the same opinion... sorry, not you. You rubbed me the wrong way... and not in any mood to further the conversation with you.

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QUOTE(polkiuj @ Sep 24 2014, 10:21 AM)
Actually no. Eastspring Growth and small cap declared exactly this. 1:1 unit split effective today.
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wow, good info.

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On this issue of income distributions and unit splits, and the NAV price per unit, there are some sites which give the info on the min and max NAV prices.

I think they are misleading, as they lend unwanted credence and importance to NAV price.

Maybe they were copied from sites on market indices, and maybe from the stock market, without much thoughts.

Unit splits as in Apple, I'd understand... as they lower the entry price per share/lot for people to get in.

But in UT, the units are not sold in fixed amounts.

You paid RM1, you get RM1 worth of units. You pay RM100, 1k, 10k, 50k, whatever, you get the equivalent amount worth of units (minus of course, the service charges if any).

If the fund grows 10%, 15%, 20%, whatever, you still get 10%, 15%, 20%, whatever growth in your invested amount.

AND THIS IS DISREGARD, whether the nav price is 0.2500, 0.5000, 1.0000, or whatever.


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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 24 2014, 01:17 PM)
On this issue of income distributions and unit splits, and the NAV price per unit, there are some sites which give the info on the min and max NAV prices.

I think they are misleading, as they lend unwanted credence and importance to NAV price.

Maybe they were copied from sites on market indices, and maybe from the stock market, without much thoughts.

Unit splits as in Apple, I'd understand... as they lower the entry price per share/lot for people to get in.

But in UT, the units are not sold in fixed amounts.

You paid RM1, you get RM1 worth of units. You pay RM100, 1k, 10k, 50k, whatever, you get the equivalent amount worth of units (minus of course, the service charges if any).

If the fund grows 10%, 15%, 20%, whatever, you still get 10%, 15%, 20%, whatever growth in your invested amount.

AND THIS IS DISREGARD, whether the nav price is 0.2500, 0.5000, 1.0000, or whatever.
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bro - some thoughts:
a. some fund houses forces us kulis to redeem or switch "at least" x,xxx.00 units per transaction.

b. thus, due to this self-imposed SOP, these fund houses may be forced to split as the "minimum units/switch or redeem" above becomes too "ridiculous".
maybe lar

for sure (a.) exist - there that old fuddy duddy fund house tongue.gif

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I am new in FSM. Any guide which fund i need to buy or just simply buy the recommended one.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 24 2014, 02:19 PM)
bro - some thoughts:
a. some fund houses forces us kulis to redeem or switch "at least" x,xxx.00 units per transaction.

b. thus, due to this self-imposed SOP, these fund houses may be forced to split as the "minimum units/switch or redeem" above becomes too "ridiculous".
maybe lar

for sure (a.) exist - there that old fuddy duddy  fund house tongue.gif
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That minimum of 1000 units to switch? In a way, yes, unit splits will lower the price/unit and creates more units.
And the fund house can keep the nav price within a certain price range, and allow investors to have the switch or redemption amount consistently within a certain range.

When the nav price goes too far above its price range (because of growth), without the unit splits, the investor will be forced to switch in a larger amount if he is switching at the minimum number of units.

It is an advantage to an investor with a matured portfolio. But to a younger investor who is beginning to accumulate and invest into UT, it might not be any advantage.

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BTW The post was to show that any investor into UT should disregard the NAV price when comparing and making a shortlist of funds. Just sharing a common knowledge that any UT investor would already knew, except to those just starting their research...

And to support my opinion that it is a marketing myth... that fund managers were trying to trick people into selecting their funds because they have cheaper nav prices.

Or maybe not, as some still insists that it is better to buy after distribution with lower nav prices!

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That minimum of 1000 units to switch? In a way, yes, unit splits will lower the price/unit and creates more units.
And the fund house can keep the nav price within a certain price range, and allow investors to have the switch or redemption amount consistently within a certain range.

When the nav price goes too far above its price range (because of growth), without the unit splits, the investor will be forced to switch in a larger amount if he is switching at the minimum number of units.

It is an advantage to an investor with a matured portfolio. But to a younger investor who is beginning to accumulate and invest into UT, it might not be any advantage.

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BTW The post was to show that any investor into UT should disregard the NAV price when comparing and making a shortlist of funds. Just sharing a common knowledge that any UT investor would already knew, except to those just starting their research...

And to support my opinion that it is a marketing myth... that fund managers were trying to trick people into selecting their funds because they have cheaper nav prices.

Or maybe not, as some still insists that it is better to buy after distribution with lower nav prices!
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heheh - that marketing BS is a given lar.
look - it works (see some forumers swear by NAV movement as though stock's price) tongue.gif
if it can con geniuses like those, aunties & uncles where can stand against such "attraction" laugh.gif
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I am new in FSM. Any guide which fund i need to buy or just simply buy the recommended one.
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Has The Malaysia Small Cap Sector Lost Its Lustre?......September 4, 2014
Since touching a 17-year high on 19 August 2014, the FBM Small Cap Index has fallen by -4% as of 2 September 2014.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4968

CONCLUSION

The Malaysian small cap segment is no longer cheap, but can provide some diversification in faster growing sectors when used together with a large cap fund. Also, higher valuations after the strong market run-up means the segment can be more difficult for individual investors to navigate. Therefore, investing in one of the aforementioned small cap funds to bank on the expertise of fund managers is a better way to get exposure.

However, investors should understand the riskier nature of this segment, and should keep exposure to the supplementary portion of the portfolio with less than 10% of total investments.
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QUOTE(RO Player @ Sep 25 2014, 09:53 AM)
what you waiting for guys....buy buy buy ESSCF...before it goes up...fastttt..

Buy lump sum...RM100,000..... dont top up RM 100 or 500...like some fag says...
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