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felixmask
post Sep 22 2014, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2014, 11:18 AM)
Dividends are irrelevant. UT investors are concerned with TOTAL GROWTH.

I suggest u to compare this fund to

CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income
Kenanga Asia Pac Total Return
Pheim Asia ex Japan
Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pac Equity

See which one u like better?

See their investment mandate, past returns, benchmark, performance vs benchmark, performance vs peers, volatility and so on

I personally like the CIMB fund
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post Oct 2 2014, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2014, 08:44 AM)
PINKY Gor,

which indicated is undervalue from your attachment?


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post Oct 2 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
HK & China closed for a few days - no action until open later..
idea - since CIMBC25 can be bought/sold as long as KLSE open... heheh...  brows.gif

BRICs down 13%+ as per BKF tracking - Brazil & Russia being the bad boys
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bkf
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Wong Seafood,

I was reading CIMBC25 coincidently before your post- they recently change name to CIMBC50.

somore there not distribution yet.. hmm.gif Do you tink is good without distribution ?

their price range 0.891 - 1.10- now 1.035


if i use chart lowet point showsmwhere 0.96 (line plot using klse.i3investor) maybe go back home use chart nexus to map.


what you think ? furthermore they hv increase to 50company i still checking what their 50 listed company.

somemore i download the supplement prospetus
there link to FTSE site are not found.

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post Oct 2 2014, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 03:24 PM)
ETF distributions are similar effect with mutual funds distribution leh
no effect in VALUE held in units+cash

On CIMBC25-->CIMBC50:
a. yeah noticed too (too used to calling it C25, last time X25 - why can't they stop changing the bloody counter name laugh.gif )
b. anyhow, i'll be value-averaging in this month (every 4 mths)
and yes, i noticed i'll be using LESS cash since the value held is higher than calculated/expected.
c. Future? no idea going higher or lower.
read http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archiv...0/01/2003600957 - supposedly will boost Shanghai-HK shares wor.. dunno lar, no crystal balls
All i know for sure is:
1. Keep on keeping on (with my plan)
2. When kaka happens and all hell breaks lose (lelong), buy more & keep
3. Rinse and repeat
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if they dont hv distribution..then only way i want to buy is measure the lowest point they fall.


somore when i check size of share holder ot much changes...not volatile.
PE china is low...but i aim for distribution..becoz some of their stock porflio hv good dividend payout.


what the price you holding.....

1) what is your plan "Keep on keeping on (with my plan)" ????
2. "When kaka happens and all hell breaks lose (lelong), buy more & keep" -what the price bu more ???







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post Oct 2 2014, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 03:44 PM)
1) what is your plan "Keep on keeping on (with my plan)" ????
er.. value-averaging every 4 months (coz using EPF $)

2) "When kaka happens and all hell breaks lose (lelong), buy more & keep" -what the price bu more ???
When the price falls below 15% of my total average holding cost price (holding's total cost / total units)

What price i'm holding?
er.. several price points coz went in many times liao
Average holding price though is $0.96 per unit

Side note - i noticed my CIMBA40 has distribution but that China animal no distribution (doing both via EPF ma)
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remind mine two unit trust....PCSF and RHB-OSK Asian Real Estate Fund.

Both fund is mine 1st fund i bought before 2007- stagant and lifeless animal;


Topup up few time..give up...like buying a chicken cannot lay golden egg....chicken get older hard to sell back to market.

Reminder do not buy non distribution fund.

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post Oct 2 2014, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2014, 03:55 PM)
Eh eh eh

don't get this started again tongue.gif

distribution in UT/ETF =/= dividend from stocks

wongmunkeong sifu, pls rescue felix the cat from that Roulette Pusseh's curse notworthy.gif
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i mean got distribution..can snowball...

then buy little bit....see...increase unit..

but didnt give distribution fund..like timing when to buy(when hell fire happen) pray it was usper low...not like distribution..regular topup some..time to time.

i hv share mine 2 fund PCSF and RHB-OSK Asian Real Estate fund...

pls look at the price...like dead fish..pump/topup/CPR to the fund is still chicken cant lay egg for me...

And summore this OLD chicken is still BELOW the INITAL price is launch. I bought at wrong timing.

Like buying rm 50sen...now only rm 38sen stagant for so long..without laying egg..

Do you still want to feed/toup/buy more/keep more the this CHICKEN ?

versus buying chicken can lay egg..like fund can give distribution. which one is better.

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post Oct 2 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2014, 04:13 PM)
Please read Post #1 over and over again sleep.gif

A good fund will be a good fund whether it gives distribution or not
A bad fund will be a bad fund whether it gives distribution or not

Performance has nothing to do with distribution, and vice versa
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tongue.gif both fund bought during launching.. cry.gif never reach mine buying price.Cannot sell this chicken cry.gif

topup few time...praying hard can go up.....so i consider is bad fund.


thanks listen mine frustration ; let move on...and thank remind..which i full understand your POST1.
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post Oct 2 2014, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 04:18 PM)
The force is NOTstrong in this wan...  laugh.gif
Blame it on bloody BS marketing chicken-lay-eggs units/distribution lor..
even some cat-geniuses gets suckered

Value is value - no matter how many slices/units U cut it, value = price *units
Reduce one, increase the other = same value
increase BOTH or hold one while increasing the other = value growth

1 pizza cut 4 slices VS same pizza cut 100 slices
Eat all for either, same "filling of stomach" right?  laugh.gif

oops - above for Felix.. dont tell me all cats think alike?
1 goes extreme
another goes distribution buy more
now felix goes "not touching non-distribution fund/etf"..
it's a cat thing right?

cats taste good with curry  laugh.gif
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cat eat the curry... drool.gif sure get vmad.gif ...what ever is own opinion and juz sharing mine bad scenario.

IF you are me..what kind action to take for both fund. PCS and RHB-OSK AREF

notworthy.gif require SEAFOOD ..receipe..to revive mine chickend curry fund? wub.gif

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post Oct 2 2014, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 04:33 PM)
personally?
i'd cut loss, take the $ and go grow it elsewhere (if >=3yrs still turkey lar in total + each injection)
zero sunk-cost mentality, or ignoring what is already sunked-in -
would i invest in that animal now knowing what i know?

if not, cut loss and use the $ somewhere better than let it simmer and die or.. HOPE.. heheh hope is NOT one of the better method of investing.
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thanks for advice nod.gif . full understand notworthy.gif
i type..like to buy..keep let it grow...

then is mine bad luck..but hv reduce mine PCSF transfer to other fund.

left this RHB-OSK AREF stuck there > 7year. brows.gif I bought wit 0% sale charge

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post Oct 2 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 04:47 PM)
>7yrs?
assuming in 3 years U know it's useless piece of kaka..

that means U lost >4 years of growth, simple calc say 4*8%pa = 32% of growth/profits
in actual compounding, even more + the fact nearly all markets have been tearing up past 5 years..

pain or not holding or using sunk-cost pain avoidance?
pain leh?
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wakey wakey, shake a dicky!
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topup few time..no eye see..juzt leave there.

i was waiting RHB-OSK will come online system for me to move/trasnfer other fund someting like Public Mutual.

waited waited waited....time pass still the system didnt come up.

Yes indeed the reason i stop toup on the 3rd year.

i dont see; then no pain. but i learn mine lesson. laugh.gif


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post Oct 2 2014, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Oct 2 2014, 04:47 PM)
those who recommend u the fund...never get the blame...but ask u to top up...

who never recommend u, always get the blame...
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topup is mine own will- The one of recomend me to buy is mine ex company TIGER BANK; giving me 0% sales charge.

...becoz i young presume the fund got distribution. Somemoe is new launch everyting is good as other fund. doh.gif

So buy fund also must becareful..see whose their fund manager and see their porftolio fund history.

the time OSK fund manager manage by this same the only same person for all the fund.



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post Oct 2 2014, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2014, 04:36 PM)
the problem is the MANAGEMENT of that 2 funds sucked, not with their distribution policy/trend/history

A good fund can go from IPO price RM0.1000 to price RM2.3456 with ZERO distribution throughout the years
A bad fund can go from IPO price RM2.0000 with REGULAR distributions over X no. of years with current NAV RM1.1967 and still lose you money rolleyes.gif
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i agree..the suck management didnt give distribution. mine mistake...

attach the fund overview.


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Attached File  RHB_OSK_Asian_Real_Estate_Fund_0914.pdf ( 451.75k ) Number of downloads: 19
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post Oct 2 2014, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2014, 06:51 PM)
walao, really crap. 7 years still losing money
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you can see the attachment -bought from launching day; i get -19% return till now. cry.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 2 2014, 07:12 PM)
still holding & hoping?
cool  laugh.gif
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HOPING.....waiting RHB-CIMB merge.
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post Oct 3 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2014, 08:59 PM)
Err...to be frank, this fund doesn't appear to be all that bad, given that it managed to track its benchmark/index quite closely.

And why u still... doh.gif
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the fund never hit above their launching price...sinking under mine buying price or launching price.

timing buying- aspect it was bottom@ catching FALLING KNIFE...after i catch PCSF fund to average price i already tire with this techinique;

After average PCSF and later catch out ; i didnt proceed to OSK-AREF.
But instate invest mine Money in other form like stock and buying a hse.


if you look their portfolio OSk-AREF it not pure REITS fund but mostly HK property stock. -
As u know Hong Kong property burst - no one afford to buy + China property giving big discount.
one of their stock holding are involved into probe of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Hung_Kai_Properties

their Reits holding only 4.47% - far from their investment strategic.


I want to compain to SC;
Fund prospetus said different with the fund manager is buying. Not agile and mislead investor on their fund.


QUCIK FACT I FOUND the
http://kclau.com/make-money-tips/osk-uob-u...al-estate-fund/
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post Oct 8 2014, 09:03 AM

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GST on fund.


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post Oct 8 2014, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Oct 8 2014, 09:20 AM)
Switching or transfer units is subject to GST?  shocking.gif
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switching fee subject to GST.
assume switching fee is rm25 therefore- 6% GST will be added.

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post Oct 14 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 14 2014, 04:16 PM)
Read my post No 900....

Then decide. It all depends on individual.

Xuzen
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What your outlook

one of the fund that i monitor is PISF

I do agree with your remarks.
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Nov 18 2014, 04:45 PM)
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post Dec 15 2014, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 12 2014, 10:59 PM)
Dave...u forgot Affin Hwang Select Opportunity Fund whistling.gif
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pinky what you tink of CHINA fund now?


now exchange rate rm1=Yuan1.77 all time 10 year low.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=MYR&to=CNY&view=10Y

https://www.google.com.hk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=k0C...to+chinese+yuan

sumore ABE win election...he will use ask spam their retirement fund to invest oversea..i guess will be China or taiwan

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