dear rejection child... do you want another rejection ?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 21 2014, 05:27 PM

Yes correct.

He is addressing Believers.

Before I accept Christ, I am a sinner. if you claim to be without, you deceive yourself (ver 8, 9 & 10)

After accepting Christ, continue walking in that light that Christ has cleansed you of.
And God will keep you continuously cleansed. (ver 7)

If you say you are already cleansed and still say you are in darkness, then you contradict what God say and you are lying and do not live out the truth. (ver 6)

That is what it means.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 21 2014, 05:34 PM

I wish I was trolling.
Unfortunately, "blespheming against the holy spirit" is the unforgiven sin.
I think the person who is close to performing this sin knows what I am talking about.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 21 2014, 06:05 PM

you are reading INTO the passages.

John is writing to believers. He didnt qualify that passage by saying 'before you knew Christ'.

Vs 8 to 10 suggests that we still sin and therefore to confess.

And as proof of continuity that John was writng to believers,

1 John 2

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Does this sound like he is writing to believers?

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 21 2014, 05:42 PM

No Read and understand the passage carefully.

If you say we still have sin, despite the Fact that Christ died for our sins, you also admit Christ work is not complete because there is still sin. (ver 6)

You are lying and do not live out the truth. That is what it means.

Ver 8 says, If we claim to be without......it didn't say if we claim we didn't. There a difference.

Correct, even if you do sin, God will not see it. Why? Because in the verse;


we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

He is = present tense, Always is, 24/7. Eternal.

Who is the one advocating? Jesus, not you.

Correct, so that believers today know, that our confession is towards God, that He has cleansed us of all unrighteousness.

Key word. Righteous. Whose righteousness? Yours or God's Gift?

I rest my case.

Semantics.........but you missed vs 10

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Vs 10 refers to the act, not the having of sin.

See you guys tonight. to be continue.....

GOd will NOT see sin?????


"Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love." (Revelation 2:4)


How could Jesus see that they had left their first love if He could only see them as perfect in Christ?


Indeed Christ is atoning sacrifice. This is a positional matter. However, one needs to repent to receive forgiveness and atonement.
As James indicated faith without works is dead.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 21 2014, 06:10 PM

Exactly! The passage was to believers including

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Unless John qualifies that these verses were to unbelievers, we have to be consistent in the continuity of the passages was to believers who are subject to the 3 verses.

just wanna ask, so do u have a habit of confessing ur sins tat u have committed, lets say in the past 10 days, the nxt time u pray?

or do u feel thr is no longer a need for cleansing for sins committed after u r saved, frm here on til u meet ur Maker?

b'cos sometimes, whn i go in prayer, the HS convicts on certain events or deeds, be it little or big.

examples can be: 1) u shouldn't have shouted rudely at ur boss 2 days ago
2) showing ur middle finger on the highway out of anger 3 days ago was wrong

WHAT?! u not happy AGAIN izit?! OK! FINE! chk ur INBOX now!

That is very normal and healthy.

Hello everyone.

This has probably been asked before, but, what are your thoughts on people speaking in tongue? It has always been something that bothered me. Does it make me less of a Christian if I don't believe in it?

hello fren,

refer to post #2532 about 4 pages back.

i posted : Nine manifestation gifts are listed in 1st Corinthians 12:7–11:

Word of wisdom
Word of knowledge
Faith
Gifts of healing
Working of miracles
Prophecy
Discerning of spirits
Divers kinds of tongues
Interpretation of tongues

its my understanding tat when u come to Christ, the above gifts r given freely. its like a 'package' thing.

whtr u believe in it or not, it wil not affect ur Salvation in any way. it won't make u less of a Christian. so dun wori .

I dun speak in tongues either, but my parents & sibling do.

correct me if i'm wrong prophetjul

Yes and no.

From legal perspecive, once you received Christ as saviour your status is saved. With or without speaking in tongue... less christian ? no.

From other perspective (e.g. spiritual growth, maturity, knowledge, etc) ... speaking in tongue gives you a lot of heads up.... less christian ? yes.

What is your perspective ?

My reply on this at https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry70986571 but then some got different conviction here.