in what term?

Erm .... it is just to treat the soul. Though historically, it has its issues and controversy. I think it is the same with Psychology though psychiatry deals more with mental disorder.
Well, .... it's good to know that you are a tripartite man (spirit, soul and body). Even if a Christian is strong in his/her spirit, a problem in their soul (psychologically) will still override any benefits in their experience of Christ. All three parts of our being needs to be proper and functioning (c.f. 1 Thes. 5:23) to be useful to the Lord and also to pursue Him.

We should not try to spiritualize things. If we have problems like depression or psychological problems, please, seek medical expertise. Because Satan will use the severely damaged and fallen soul to contemplate suicide (for example). No matter, how high or how deep your experience of Christ in your spirit, if the soul or the body is destroyed, your Christian life ends there.

Once their soul (psychology) is "treated", then the experience of the Lord's grace and the prayers of the believers (in the spirit) is needed to overcome the problem.

Whoah I think you just need to step back a bit and stand on my shoe

Seriously, I don't know you or any of your stance. I just shared my opinion. This is just my opinion and not the group here [though why do you need to see if you are suitable here?? Are you a Christian? ]

Also, IMHO, your stance might have cause you assume that I made statement that I DO NOT make

Firstly, I did not say "feel that the bible itself is not able to treat the soul". There are quite a few verses, especially, the Spirit giving life to our mind and renews them.  But the condition requires as in Romans 8, to set our mind on the spirit. If our mind is in a bad condition, there is no need to say how one can experience the Spirit's life.

I know of some of controversy in psychiatric like you mentioned. I think we can make some judgement not to go for electrical shock. On the other extreme, if there is a real need for some treatment, we should not superstitiously say it is not Biblical or something.

But on the other hand, I also know those who benefited from the medication because he or she suffers from schizophrenia. Then he/she is "sober" enough to continue to experience the Lord.

Also, I didn't say that psychiatry books are more important than the Bible.  Personally, if you read my sharing from the Gospel of John, you will see the self-help books in general are useless.

Lastly, this thread is about sharing on the experiences of Christ for the building up of the church. It is not about psychiatry or a collection of like-minded people

Our spirit cannot be sick . That is the only place Satan cannot touch.

Our soul is another story. Since the fall, it is in terrible shape

Seriously  I really think you need to reread what I post. I did not accuse you of anything.
Erm ... fellowship is the flow of the divine life. It is not to be agreeable. I meant, if you meet a vegetarian brother, we don't condemn him of his weak faith, but continue to fellowship with him. Unless it is sinful, divisive or worldly.
Then, don't go for psychiatry then. 
Again, I did not say that that not following psychiatry is superstitious. Whoah, it is really hard when you are making statements like this. I don't even know what you meant by mainstream? Whether one make a decision to get some help from psychological consultation is between him and the Lord and finding OUT whether it entails ... Really, you are putting words that I do not say.
Who say about one NOT making an informed decision?  <Sigh> Christianity is neither about NOT accepting mainstream as truth or question them ... bro, it is about God's purpose and the revelation of Himself. Once we see this, we will see the the world is against it.

Anyway, I am done responding on this.

Cheers!

It is actually the fastest way to hell for unbelievers. Then again, it is extremely RARE for one who touch his spirit when he/she believe in the Lord to. A strong salvation usually has a good foundation even if ones backslides.

Hypothetically, if he is saved [really touch the Lord, receive Him into him AND NOT A INHERITED/FAMILY RELIGION and commit suicide], he is still saved but DEFINITELY not a mature Christian. He will be punished dispensationally in the millennium.
LOL, still have to response to your salvation question ... my bad, sis.

Hi Sylar,

I'm not gonna comment on the psychiatry part mainly because my knowledge is too shallow on the said topic. Just been sitting on the sidelines to see how others respond.

I do however feel that if a saved person commits suicide, God will still accept them into his open arms on the other side. I agree with you. On how it could be possible for Christians to commit suicide, it could be due to extreme duress or a sudden moment of terrible weakness maybe?
Since we are still living in the flesh on this Earth & are susceptible to sin? 

p.s.      i don't know any or have yet to hear of any Christians committing suicide.
p.p.s.  i do follow your posts occasionally under the other sections & i enjoy your debates.

Suicide doesn't happen by momentary lapse of weakness. What I mean is, it doesn't happen just like that.

It starts way, waaay before that.

It's accumulated through a period of pain, disappointment, depression, lack of understanding, hurt, etc.

Could be years, months before that.

Most likely, suicide tendency happen when the person gave up hope, God, everything.

From there, it starts.

Erm ... are you responding to Sophierre or me? Oh well, ignore this if you are responding to her.  I always that this problem with quotes.

My understanding is a little different  as I do not believe in "going to heaven", and thus a myth . I believe we have a higher destiny than that based on the revelation in the Bible.

The response to her was premised on some earlier sharing I had with her. That, even though our salvation is secure, the reward of the kingdom is not (1 Cor. 3:15). If a believer is not matured in the divine life in this age, he will have to go through dispensation punishment in the millennial kingdom where the overcoming believers will enjoy the rewards as co-kings. The defeated believers will be "trained"/"discipled" so that they are will be matured after 1000 years.

But then, this is just a supporting line. 

Hi guys,

Since we're on the topic of science vs religion (psychiatry VS Bible teachings).

I've always wondered and questioned those that say that the verses of the Bible is absolute even though present day science has proven them wrong.

A very good example would be back in the olden days when some scientifically minded dude said the world was round and the earth rotated around the sun and not vice versa. He was shunned and threatened by religious authorities and everyone around him because they were taught that whatever the church says "It is right". Saying the earth was round was blasphemous and a sin and a one way ticket to hell.

But fast forward many years later, when the world has indeed been confirmed to be round and rotates around the sun, the religous guys just went quiet. Thanks to non-religious guys, we know we have 24 hours in a day, 365 days and leap years, birthdays, better navigation accross the earth, etc etc. and from there, today we have Google Maps and Facebook

Don't you think that we ought to have a balance between science and religion? Can't we balance psychiatric treatments with God's teachings?

What do y'all think?

Whether I am of conventional Christianity or true christianity, or of a denomination or not etc, you can always make that statement. But please do substantiate your claims please in the spirit of fellowship. Just because my views on "going to heaven" are not of "mainstream" Christianity, it invalidates me as a believers? Did I not believe in the Triune God? Christ? The Spirit?

"I think if God is willing to forgive us, there will be no more sins in his eyes." Err.. duh!
Am I mocking God's promises? No. Rather I have uplifted it to the uttermost. I am just sharing that the deification of man [but not in the Godhead =- theosis(wiki it)] as the pinnacle of God's salvation as the goal. It is 100000000x better than going to heaven. I cannot even substantiate anything from the Bible on this matter of "going to heaven". Even the unbelievers are laughing at the "unrighteousness" of it.

Do you have anything to substantiate on your claims on going to heaven? Please do not bring up traditions.

Wow ... just wow  

I don't believe suicide happens just like that. Nobody responses like that.

It's not easy to end one's life even though at a very critical stage.

From my observation, there's usually a history prior to this, before arriving at that stage.

Same thing with why people divorce, why people go berserk.

It's usually accumulative day to day experiences of negative connotation that reached an explosion point.

And For sure, spiritually speaking it's either the work or influences of the devil

Let me give you an example, prior to that state of depression, the guy may have accepted the condemnation that he's not doing good enough or is good enough for anything.
Even when He does good enough, there could be voice telling him, it's never enough, he got to do better. Just an example.

or

It could be that the said person is already in a financial delima, very critical one, takes an unrealistic gamble to invest the last portion he has and found He lost the gamble
What I mean is, people don't decide to suicide in the next few seconds. There's usually a precedent before it happens.

It's how the person arrive to insanity, that's the precedent I'm talking about.

No I'm not talking about physical or material precedents (as in assets or financial stocks, etc) but soul aspect of the person.

Ahh, okay, maybe this point.

How is it, that the person becomes weak, how he arrive at being weak?

Is it through years of self condemnation, for example? Maybe, maybe not, depending on circumstances, his upbringing, many variables.

But How a person reacts today depends on what is being fed to his mind prior to today.

That is my point of what is the precedent.

Well, yes, a Single drastic incident can change people in an instance, for example road rage. But I always question, what is the person's philosophy in life that lead to the rage.

Could it be that He view himself untouchable with a high sense of pride? That kind of upbringing could lead to what happened.  This is another example of precedent.

And you did asked me whether I've encountered any critical boiling point in my life, the answer is yes. I know I've snapped before and it's because of anger. That's the thing I'm trying to explain.
How we live our lives (what we feed on in thoughts, emotions, etc) determines our next course of action even if it's a snap moment.

Wah, you all really only come out during near midnight ah? Oh good, you are familiar with some of the verses. And you are correct in that it is not a matter of eternal salvation. We can start with your second verse (1 Cor 3:12).
Although those believers whose Christian works are not approved by the Lord at His coming back will be saved, they will be saved so as through fire. Through fire surely indicates punishment.

"If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward" (1 Cor. 3:14). If he doesn't built with the Triune God (gold/silver/precious stones), then no reward? What will this meant then if all receive reward? 
If this is true, we will problems [lots of] with including the verses you mentioned:

1) But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 8:12

2) In Revelation, the word was spoken to the church, not to unbelievers, that there will be overcomers, a remnant (Rev 2-3).

3) Matt 18:23 "settle accounts with his slaves". Slaves definitely are not unbelievers. Verse 34, "And his master became angry and delivered him to the torturers until he would repay all that was owed." How can we explain this? This is the Lord's dealing with His believers at His coming back. If we do not forgive the brother who sins against us, we will be disciplined by the Lord until we forgive him from the heart, i.e., until we repay all that is owed. Then the Lord will forgive us. This is forgiveness in the kingdom. This implies that if we do not forgive a brother from our heart today, we will not be allowed to enter into the kingdom in the coming age.

4) 2 Cor 5:10 "For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad."

5) Also, Paul's metaphor of running the race to gain the prize. It won't make sense if he thinks that he has the reward already. Before writing Timothy, he did mentioned that he hasn't got the reward, always forgetting behind and looking forward. How can we reconciled this?

5a) There are five aspects of the crowns. The crown, a symbol of glory, is given as a prize, in addition to the Lord's salvation, to the triumphant runner of the race (1 Cor. 9:25). In contrast to salvation, which is of grace and by faith (Eph. 2:5, 8-9), this prize is not of grace nor by faith, but is of righteousness through works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12; 2 Cor. 5:10). The believers will be recompensed with such a reward, not according to the Lord's grace but according to His righteousness.

The New Testament speaks of the believers being rewarded with five different kinds of crowns in the future.

In 2 Tim. 4:8 we have the crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8). "The crown of life" (Rev. 2:10). "The unfading crown of glory” (1 Pet. 5:4). "They may receive a corruptible crown, but we, an incorruptible" (1 Cor. 9:25). "Joy or crown" (1 Thes. 2:19; Phil. 4:1).

And lot more verses from Hebrews, Matthew that is frequently used by our dear Arminianism brothers will be problematic if we adhere to this interpretation.

For 1 Corinthians 2:9, the context is we are enjoying this reality now in our Christian life to those who love Him. We don't have to wait till then . Though I can't imagine applying to the future that since the context is present.

The Bible is silent on what kind of disciplines as I don't think there is a ranking [fallen concept - no such things]. But, based on the parable of the ten virgins (maturity in the divine life (oil in the vessel)) and slaves [faithfulness in service]. If we are not perfected in this short age, this 1000 years, the Lord will make sure all defeated believers matured in His life and to be faithful in service. This is just one aspect. We just don't analyse it too much when there is not much. But we can be sure, there will be a judgement on the believers.
You are right that it is different from the great white throne judgement.

Shortly before the beginning of the great tribulation (which coincides with the second half of the last week in Daniel), the rapture of the overcoming believers to the heavens, including the rapture of the dead overcomers—the man-child (Rev. 12:1-11)—and the rapture of the living overcomers— the firstfruits (14:1-5), will take place. The remainder of the believers (the majority) will be raptured at the very end of the great tribulation. The rapture of the overcoming believers, especially of the man-child, will precipitate war in heaven, and the devil will be cast down to earth to form an evil trinity with Antichrist and the false prophet. After all the believers have been raptured, they will appear before the judgment seat of Christ to be judged not concerning eternal salvation (a matter which is settled once for all and which is eternally secure from the time we believe and are regenerated) but concerning reward or punishment during the age of the kingdom. Those who are approved by the Lord Jesus and receive a reward will enter into the Lord's joy and reign  with Him in the millennial kingdom; those who are disapproved will not simply lose the reward but will also experience some kind of dispensational punishment in "the outer darkness" (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30).

The problem is not with sin but with the maturity of life. We can have a resurrected body but within like Paul mentioned, we are still not renewed, sanctified, transformed, conformed or glorified in our soul. We are still infants. The divine life that we have never experienced in our daily salvation (Phil.) will not magically appear This is why, the foolish virgins do not have EXTRA oil (The Spirit) in their vessel (soul). They have only oil in their lamp (spirit - Proverbs) = they are genuinely saved. The Lord is not marrying a child Bride 

P.S. Unless you genuinely really want to know, the matter of the kingdom reward solves both problems inherent in Calvinism and Arminianism. Do bring it up if you like to know more so that I won't waste anyone's time if you are not interested.

This matter of the judgment of the believers and of their being hurt by the fire is neither Calvinism nor Arminianism. According to Calvinism, once we are saved, we are saved forever, and there can be no further problem. In a sense, Calvinism is correct, for once we are saved, we are saved for eternity. However, we should not say that there can be no problems. There is the possibility of being burned in the fire. According to Arminianism, some may be saved in the morning and lose their salvation that night. Their salvation goes up and down like an elevator. Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism is according to the pure word of the Bible. The Bible reveals that we are saved for eternity, but that after we are saved, we need to overcome every sinful thing. If not, we shall be disciplined, punished. If you do not repent and confess your sin, but stay in adultery, in the next age you will be put into the fire and burned, not for eternal perdition, but as a dispensational punishment.

This is righteous! Otherwise, I can go and enjoy the world knowing that I have already obtained the reward. It really doesn't make sense ... and I can't convince anyone of that or myself 

This is getting a bit off topic, from suicide to snap anger. We can always call this off to agree to disagree.

I think what causes suicide has more to do with giving up on hope and what causes anger is a snap of stress aggravation.

Moses had many weakness like most of us, among them, lack of confidence, insecure, can't speak well, fearful, etc.

But that's not the point. Getting to know God under the Old Testament Law requires a tall order. It requires perfection and No one is able to fulfil it perfectly because it hinges on own's strength, thus in the word of Apostle, we do the evil we want not and do not the good we want.

The Failures of Moses, along with others like Abraham, even Judas has theological reasons, too wide a topic to discuss at one go.