U guys were playing console and checking ur inboxes

u partly accusing Sylar777 of being demon possessed then? NOT NICE !

Does it make you less of a Christian if you don't practice it? Definitely no.

But I will digress if I try to explain. Just that, you have to see its proper place and need. I do believe in it and do no oppose it. Neither do I encourage it.

A few things:

1) It can be compared to opium or morphine. Medical doctors know that opium and morphine can be useful in dealing with certain kinds of pain or illnesses, but the dosage has to be limited and the use restricted.

2) Second, for the long run, tongue-speaking does not help believers to grow in life. On the contrary, addiction to tongue-speaking may lead to the indulgence of lust.

3) Third, those who have become addicted to tongue-speaking have no ear to hear the word of the cross and the deeper things concerning Christ. They are not interested in how the cross of Christ deals with the flesh and the self. They do not care for such a sober word of righteousness.

Huh? You sure you read correctly? I was only sharing a real story based on what Luffy mentioned of his/her friend.

How can you even read it like this?

I don't know. Part of me wishes that it's genuine, but after reading contradicting articles/opinions from various Christian websites;- Something about the gift of speaking in tongue is now gone, it was there during Paul's (I think) time, but nowadays, it's no more.

I have a similar stance regarding faith healers. I have doubts about them having received a gift from God to heal people, as patients who are not healed are often blamed for having not enough faith.



This post has been edited by el-mike: Oct 21 2014, 07:10 PM

Haha .... that could be one of the reason. Though currently, I cannot distinctly remember what the brother mentioned. Anyway.

Don't worry. I can guide you. But do you trust me ? My POV (point of view) is easily refuted by other "Experts" here... my suggestion, don't trust them except [Unknown Warrior]... you can trust [Unknown Warrior].... others ? No... (i am sorry if i offended many readers here)

Also, knowledge of GOD is very deep. Consider this. I have a dice. it has 6 faces. If i explain about 1st face, other can call me preaching other gospel because... i still on 1st face and i will explain 2 to 6 later on...

how long to explain all 6 faces ? it takes years brother :-) sorry to say... therefore the issue is trust. Do you trust me to guide you ?

yeah those spiritual gift are gone. but then since this topic is denomination dependent and thread is denomination neutral, I guess it is better not to refute too much here. refute face to face better and more effective imo

Yes.

2 Corinthians 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

That is the truth. Why? Because Jesus is our atonement. As long as Jesus is our High Priest, our position in Righteousness does not change.

I keep telling you, repentance is change of mind towards God, that He is for us, not against us. Until you see and understand that, your repentance will not bear fruit.

And the Bible says We reign when we keep on receiving God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness.

People can keep on confessing sin until they're are blue in the face, cry at the altar and still will remain the same, unchanged. You know this the reality in Church.




If Jesus Christ has cleansed the believer of all unrighteousness and sin, what does that makes him? Still a sinner?

Try and answer me on that.

I have to add, after listening from men, examine, cross check and compare with bible just like the bereans- acts 17:11

No I don't practise that sort of habit because I believe Christ atonement is not temporal.

What I do is confessing and thanking God for sending his son to die for me and by his work, his obedience is complete and perfect and has made me righteous.

If I confess that I'm righteous on my own, that's a lie and deceit. But In Christ, that judicial atonement because only Christ qualify as a saviour, not me.

I can't save myself. This is the point that Mr Jul and most Church missed it.

When our eyes is on our Lord Jesus, there is power to change, but if we are always introspective of ourselves, being self occupied, you will naturally fall into the realm of the flesh and that is why Christians keep on sinning because their focus is on self rather than on Christ.

Same Concept that happened to peter when he walked on the water, his eyes was on our Lord and He became supernatural. But the moment he took his eyes of our Lord because of the boisterous wind and the waves, He began to sank. In regards to this, I keep my eyes on our Lord Jesus all the time.

And I can testify that has change me far better than the "repentance" towards God's Law.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 21 2014, 08:11 PM

How do you explain this then?

John 14:12 - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

LOLWUT??!!

PehKay, where do you get that from?

It got your attention

Maybe PehKay jeles with me exercising too much freedom in this forum LOL

got mine too :-D

The indulgence in lust?

Lol .... I mentioned "may" because the incident has happens in the history of Pentecostal. The real experience of tongue speaking do get people into ecstasy.

At least I need to balance it out to say that some have testified that speaking in tongues stirred something within them to seek after Christ. This is a proper result of tongue-speaking.

But those who become addicted to tongue-speaking care only for their ecstasy. They do not care for sobriety. As a result, there are many cases of fornication among them.

There was a big case in the past in China, where a group of people practices this till they declared that they is no longer male or female. They began to dwell together, which eventually, lead to fornication.

Biblically, I think it was Saul.

"He stripped off his garments, and he too prophesied in Samuel’s presence. He lay naked all that day and all that night. This is why people say, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

When the Spirit in the Old Testament poured on fallen flesh, there is this kind of experience.

So, those who practice this, need to realize their fallen flesh is still as active as ever.

P.S. IMHO a real spiritual and powerful Christian is one who the Lord has deal with his flesh. This requires the inner life experience of Christ. The outward outpouring of the Spirit is not very helpful without the inward essential Spirit within the believers.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 21 2014, 08:27 PM

Some of The earlier denomination actually believe speaking in tongues is of the devil.

Don't tell me pehkay..............

I think it really depends on the purpose why you want to speak in tongues.

It's no point to go babbling without proper understanding. I think we shouldn't do it for the sheer ecstasy,
never actually heard of that even.

Speaking in tongues is speaking to God and to God alone.


That is why the Apostle Paul spoke a lot in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:18 - I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.