yeah those spiritual gift are gone. but then since this topic is denomination dependent and thread is denomination neutral, I guess it is better not to refute too much here. refute face to face better and more effective imo

The indulgence in lust?

Lol .... I mentioned "may" because the incident has happens in the history of Pentecostal. The real experience of tongue speaking do get people into ecstasy.

At least I need to balance it out to say that some have testified that speaking in tongues stirred something within them to seek after Christ. This is a proper result of tongue-speaking.

But those who become addicted to tongue-speaking care only for their ecstasy. They do not care for sobriety. As a result, there are many cases of fornication among them.

There was a big case in the past in China, where a group of people practices this till they declared that they is no longer male or female. They began to dwell together, which eventually, lead to fornication.

Biblically, I think it was Saul.

"He stripped off his garments, and he too prophesied in Samuel’s presence. He lay naked all that day and all that night. This is why people say, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

When the Spirit in the Old Testament poured on fallen flesh, there is this kind of experience.

So, those who practice this, need to realize their fallen flesh is still as active as ever.

P.S. IMHO a real spiritual and powerful Christian is one who the Lord has deal with his flesh. This requires the inner life experience of Christ. The outward outpouring of the Spirit is not very helpful without the inward essential Spirit within the believers.

The indulgence in lust?

Lol .... I mentioned "may" because the incident has happens in the history of Pentecostal. The real experience of tongue speaking do get people into ecstasy.

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I think it really depends on the purpose why you want to speak in tongues.

It's no point to go babbling without proper understanding. I think we shouldn't do it for the sheer ecstasy,
never actually heard of that even.

Speaking in tongues is speaking to God and to God alone.
That is why the Apostle Paul spoke a lot in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:18  - I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

just to clarify, speak in tongue = speak in different language right? ie I speak Cantonese. but when I pray, I pray in English. so can I say I pray in tongue (different language)?

just to clarify, speak in tongue = speak in different language right? ie I speak Cantonese. but when I pray, I pray in English. so can I say I pray in tongue (different language)?

I think it really depends on the purpose why you want to speak in tongues.

It's no point to go babbling without proper understanding. I think we shouldn't do it for the sheer ecstasy,
never actually heard of that even.

Speaking in tongues is speaking to God and to God alone.
That is why the Apostle Paul spoke a lot in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:18  - I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

Hello everyone.

This has probably been asked before, but, what are your thoughts on people speaking in tongue? It has always been something that bothered me. Does it make me less of a Christian if I don't believe in it?

True. This is why today's tongue speaking is generally not genuine. The real one brings you to be beside yourself (acts 2 - disciples were perceived to be drunk)

It is only perhaps useful for private experience. But, corporately, it is not very profitable. Also, if the goal is not Christ and the church, it is very damaging.

Anyway, that's enough of this from me.

hello fren,

refer to post #2532 about 4 pages back.

i posted : Nine manifestation gifts are listed in 1st Corinthians 12:7–11:

Word of wisdom
Word of knowledge
Faith
Gifts of healing
Working of miracles
Prophecy
Discerning of spirits
Divers kinds of tongues
Interpretation of tongues

its my understanding tat when u come to Christ, the above gifts r given freely. its like a 'package' thing.

whtr u believe in it or not, it wil not affect ur Salvation in any way. it won't make u less of a Christian. so dun wori  .

I dun speak in tongues either, but my parents & sibling do.

correct me if i'm wrong prophetjul

True. This is why today's tongue speaking is generally not genuine. The real one brings you to be beside yourself (acts 2 - disciples were perceived to be drunk)

It is only perhaps useful for private experience. But, corporately, it is not very profitable. Also, if the goal is not Christ and the church, it is very damaging.

Anyway, that's enough of this from me.

Yes.

2 Corinthians 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

That is the truth. Why? Because Jesus is our atonement. As long as Jesus is our High Priest, our position in Righteousness does not change.

I keep telling you, repentance is change of mind towards God, that He is for us, not against us. Until you see and understand that, your repentance will not bear fruit.

And the Bible says We reign when we keep on receiving God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness.

People can keep on confessing sin until they're are blue in the face, cry at the altar and still will remain the same, unchanged.  You know this the reality in Church. 

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 21 2014, 05:45 PM)
Correct, even if you do sin, God will not see it.

If Jesus Christ has cleansed the believer of all unrighteousness and sin, what does that makes him? Still a sinner?

Try and answer me on that.

hahaha... imho no lah bro... speaking in tounge similar (i say similar) to people mumbling... but if you ngaisteve1 mumbling is not speaking in tongue... why don't you see this youtube to get better perspective

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

Under assumption that you are not speaking in tongue, At least now i know why your "Jacob series" preaching is good but no power / not alive. I didn't say it's ugly no..no.. it's good... english sentence nice, revelation good... but power bro... no power inside it... not alive.

imagine this: You are a good architect with a good drawing on a house. your drawing is good. solid and valid... but i am looking for property because ngaisteve1 property already rented... my family needs a shelter. thanks for the good drawing bro

UW messages has power inside it... but to be honest the last message about salvation is actually quite difficult to understand the message but .... there is water that flow out of it... there is something living...

hope you don't get offended bro    ... peace

When are you reconciled to God?  When you repent.  Therefore when you have repented, God remembers your sin no more.

Howevre when you said
There is a major difference..how come Jesus saw the sin of the the church of Ephesus?
Since they were saved before and in your thinking that God does NOT see sin of the redeemed. YET Jesus call their SIN.
i rest my case

What make a sinner, a sinner?

SIN

"THe key to a Spirit Led Life" is NOT tongues.

The key is obedience to the Holy Spirit and word of God. 
"i will pray with tongues and i will pray with my understandiing"

Maybe Prince missed that

Repentance from what when you are cleansed of all unrighteousness by Christ?
Read my sentence carefully.
That's not my question. Listen again.

If Jesus Christ has cleansed the believer of all unrighteousness and sin, what does that makes him? Still a sinner?

Have you actually see the video, or you just skip totally and commented above?

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

When is a sinner reconciled to God?

What makes a sinner, as sinner?    SIN.........yes if he sins, he becomes a sinner.  Not hard at all.