Good on yer

These people preach to flesh predominantly.
Joel Osteen is a worldly preacher who when asked whether Jesus was the only way told Larry King

"I DONT KNOW"

It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt.

Joel Osteen

God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us.

Joel Osteen

If you want to rear financial blessings, you have to sow financially.

Joel Osteen

You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church.

Joel Osteen

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Joel Osteen

Like Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen has some really great things to say. He is encouraging and the man is certainly happy. This should not be held against him.

The man is confused on theology. He has much of the same doctrinal misunderstandings as does Joyce Meyer. They come from the same tradition. His doctrine is difficult to discern for many because he won't talk about doctrine. He won't talk about theology. He quickly back pedals when asked hard questions, as seen here in an interview with Larry King.

In fairness, Joel published a letter of apology after this interview.

While I commend him for his humility and courage to publicly declare that he was wrong, this is just one of too many instances. He frequently misunderstands important matters of faith and doctrine when being interviewed. He repeatedly gets the Gospel wrong. And he does so when talking to millions.

If we take Joel at his word, our only conclusion is that he is either incapable or unwilling to understand and explain how the Gospel intersects with all of life.

We recently hosted Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answerman) at SMCC. He has some very helpful insights (here and here) into Joel Osteen's confused views of faith, doctrine and Scripture:

Joel Osteen and Prosperity Gospel

The Prosperity Gospel is much like all other religions in that it uses faith, it uses doing good things to leverage material blessings from God. Essentially, use God to get things from God.

"God has already done everything He's going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you're going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family" From Your Best Life Now, p.132

"If you are believing for your child to find God, go help somebody else's child to develop a relationship with God. If you're struggling financially, go out and help somebody who has less than you have ... f you want to reap financial blessings, you must sow financial seeds in the lives of others ... If you want to see healing and restoration come to your life, go out and help somebody else get well" From Your Best Life Now, pp. 224, 250-51

This is not the Gospel. This is a false Gospel. Joel teaches that we open ourselves to God to get more from God. He teaches that we use our words to speak into existence a better reality. This straight from the Word of Faith Movement. This is not what is taught throughout the New Testament. Consider what the Apostle Paul wrote. And remember that he wrote this while in prison.

Philippians 4:10-13 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pastor-rick-..._b_3790384.html

Joseph Prince

“Oh so your one of those prosperity gospel preachers!”

My friend there is no such thing as a prosperity gospel”. There is only one gospel in the Bible and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ.” Yet he goes on to say the gospel of Jesus Christ “is based entirely on his grace, it will result in health and prosperity. In fact, the gospel of Jesus Christ leads to blessings; success; healing; restoration; protection; financial breakthroughs; security; peace; wholeness and MUCH MORE!”(p.23 Destined to Reign)


“He gave you a blood-bought right to prosperity even when the economy goes down!” (Joseph Prince, God Is For You, Not Against You) He also says the same thing for healing “…It is the blood-bought right of Christians!” (Health and Wholeness through the Holy Communion p.36)


“So why settle for the curse of sickness or even poverty when the price for your healing and prosperity has been paid by Jesus? Sickness and poverty do not have the final word in your life. Jesus does because He redeemed you from every curse!” (p.124 Destined to Reign devotional).

“You are destined to reign in life. You are called to be a success, to enjoy wealth, to enjoy health and to enjoy a life of victory.”

“Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will not only save you from sin and hell, but also give to you health, joy, peace, love, hope, unconditional acceptance, favour, the power to get wealth, all good things you can think of and more” http://www.newcreation.org.sg/aboutus/we_believe/cross.htm

“Beloved, God sent His Son to die for you. And Jesus gave you a blood-bought right to an abundant life full of meaning and purpose! He gave you a blood-bought right to walk in divine health all the days of your life! He gave you a blood-bought right to prosperity even when the economy goes down!
“You have all these things not because you deserve them, but because Jesus shed His blood and gave you the right to have them. All these blessings are yours today because God is for you! And if God is for you, who can be against you!”


This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 9 2014, 02:50 PM

What's that? You just proved that he is a Prosperity proponent.

You asked for proof that J Prince is a prosperity teacher. That was it. Why dont you discuss his teachings?

You can put whatever you like as an advert.

BUT your words/teaching will tell the tale. Seems you have not been reading Prince's books like you told others to, for evidence.

Thats why teaching calls for DISCERNment at this evil age.

i guess Paul was very prosperous? And those at SMryna church?

OR did they miss Prince's revelation?

Please study the life of Paul. Or are you implying Prince's extra revelation was missed by Paul?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 10 2014, 07:39 AM

ummmm

Ex 32

26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, "Whoever is for the LORD, come to me." And all the Levites rallied to him. 27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died


33 The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. 34 Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin." 35 And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.

In Daniel its shown that the anti Christ will make peace with Israel for 3.5 years and then persecution for the next 3.5 years.

Dan9
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "

So there will be a time of peace for Israel first.

I had a discussion on this years ago.

It IS a very tough topic.

One of my pastor friend believes that divorce in itself is not wrong.
Only when the divorcees remarry. It then becomes adultery.

This is because the God instituted marriage is a reflection of Jesus and the church/God and Israel. It is an intimate relationship with divorce inspite of
adultery by Israel with other gods.
Jesus died for the church. He will become that bridegroom in His coming.
There are many pictures of jewish wedding and that of Jesus and the church.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Aug 19 2014, 12:55 PM

I agree.

When the Lord was making those statements, it was directed to Israel and their role in the end of the Age where they will be persecuted like never seen before.
Maybe something like what ISIS is doing abut towards then nation of Israel.

This persecution is needed for otherwise they will never recognise the Lord and fulfil prophecies.

Zech 12
1 This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares: 2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the LORD. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the LORD Almighty is their God.' 6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place. 7 "The LORD will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
Mourning for the One They Pierced
10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be great, like the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives.

Could you elaborate on that statement?

Nobody could be saved under the old covenant. (BTW there is NO old testament. Testament is word used by bible commentators/compilers to relate to writings and not particularly the old covenant)

Are you saving nobody is saved in that period?

I wonder if we find some fossils of the nephilim?

If everything alive, bar those in the ark were drowned during Noah's flood, how could sid come up with such explanation?

In fact, the line of the messiah has gentiles in it. Is that pollution?

Rahab, a Canaanite prostitute, was in the line of the Messiah.

You should stop listening to such nonsense and vain imagination unsupported by scripture.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Aug 26 2014, 11:56 AM

What evidence is that?

Iron sharpen Iron.

Why so many ad hominen from you?

Cant see youtube now....barred

why do you say that?

I didn't follow sonido

So whats that gotta do with sonido?

Thanks

Sounds complicated!

What you wrote says that God wanted to wipe out ALL Canaanites because of fear of pollution.
i showed you Rahab was a Canaanite who was a fore mother of Jesus, no less.

Some bible translations do not describe them as Nephilim. In fact those which do, put them in brackets.
Therefore i take them at face value, not truth to be taught.

its not fear this or that. You beware not to add what is not in the bible. i know these charismatic preachers.
They like to accentuate stories which are at best speculative, at worst, NONsense.

Glorifying Christ is to preach TRUTH, not speculate.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Aug 26 2014, 10:02 PM

My mum was also called home because of colon cancer last month.