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post Jun 2 2014, 05:44 AM

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oh! they moved this here......... blink.gif

wonder if this thread might get more exposure under Serious Kopitiam. well......admins decide.........


how ironic to see the Atheist & Agnostics thread sitting side by side tongue.gif

pains me to read the thread over thr & some questions that go through my mind while reading those posts :

- God draws to Him whom he wills
- hardening of the heart
- the chosen ones
- they think we are brainwashed while on the other hand, we think they're not enlightened & lost rclxub.gif

lets discuss...........
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post Jun 5 2014, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 5 2014, 09:06 AM)
A GRAIN OF WHEAT ABIDING ALONE UNLESS IT FALLS INTO THE GROUND AND DIES

The Lord Jesus said, "Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit" (John 12:24). This word applies not only to the Lord Jesus but also to us. Today we have the Lord’s life in us, so we are the many grains of wheat. Yet we are unable to multiply, unable to bear much fruit, and unable to produce many grains because we have not been broken through death.

Many of us are very stable, steady, and whole. Many times, however, our stability, steadiness, and wholeness are our problem. For example, although we may have been saved for years, we may not have any scars or any evidence of the work of the cross on us, and our being may still be intact, whole, steady, and unchanged. The only difference may be that before we were saved, we were wild, careless, and misbehaving. After being saved, however, we are no longer wild and careless but rather well behaved. This is merely a change in behavior.

There are two kinds of change that can occur in a Christian. One is a change in outward conduct, and the other is a change in the inward life. A change in outward behavior means that in the past you did whatever you liked, acting loosely and without any restraint. But now, since you have been saved, you feel that your former conduct would not befit a Christian and therefore you need to be more cautious. However, this is merely an outward change; your inner being is still the same. You are still secure and firm, stable and steady, whole and intact. You are still your original person. Our problem is not in our outward behavior but in our disposition, our natural life, and our old self.
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yeah.......sometimes we are too comfy in our comfort zone & the Lord will shake us up, so that we may lean on him more.

Spiritual growth comes in tiny spurts at times & giant leaps at other times. Trials & tribulations always make our faith stronger.
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post Jun 6 2014, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 5 2014, 11:11 PM)
that's good for you bro. lucky Jesus is kind to us still want to forgives us although we commit many sins.. I myself have lots of sins. I am not perfect. Many Christians just go church and read bible but never apply them to their life. It's very sad. We do not know what happen next, this world is near ending, do you believe? Are you prepared for world end? I am myself not prepared yet, still have many sins  cry.gif  although many pastors said as long as we believe in Jesus so we do not need to be afraid.
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Dear Leonhart88,

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. —1 John 1:9

Confession and forgiveness should be a continuous experience. If you find yourself sinning a lot, perhaps you should pray more. Have a closer walk with God. Make prayer a habit. Bring everything before God. Ask God to search your heart for every hidden thing to be revealed. The Holy Spirit speaks & convicts when we listen.

As long as we still live in the flesh, we will continue to struggle with sin. The world that we live in today is more sensuous & materialistic. Temptation is at every corner. I perfectly understand your struggles. Therefore, we must always guard our hearts in chasing after the things of the world.

Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour - 1 Peter 5:8

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever. - 1 John 2:16 - 17

It's true that the church age will be ending soon. There is still time for us to get our spiritual house in order. Our heavenly father is merciful & always warns his children. There are signs & wonders in the heavens. The 1st of the TETRAD BLOOD MOONS have already passed us by in April 2014.
We are very near to the beginning of the tribulation.
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post Jun 6 2014, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(ik3da @ Jun 6 2014, 03:48 PM)
Question: Any Christians here who does/practice incense 'offering/sticking' to ancestors?
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Nope.........

That would be categorized as idolatory........
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post Jun 12 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 12 2014, 09:11 AM)
CHRIST NEEDING BROKEN VESSELS TO BE CHANNELS OF LIVING WATER

Christ does not need whole vessels; instead, He needs broken vessels. This is because only broken vessels can be channels of living water. Whole vessels can only be cisterns of dead water (Jeremiah 2:13). The biggest problem today is that it is hard to find any wounds or scars in most Christians. Most of us do not have any wounds, scars, marks of death, or experiences of the cross. Even though we have been saved and truly have Christ’s life in us, this life has no way to come out. The reason is not that our behavior is too poor or too good but that we are too whole and too impregnable. Because we have no wounds, Christ has no way to be released from within us.

Suppose a person is quick-tempered and appears arrogant. It would be relatively easy for such a one to become humble because he may often examine himself and condemn his irritability. Suppose another person is meek by nature and apparently humble. It would be harder for such a one to know himself. Instead, it would be easy for him to become proud before God. He may think that the other person is irritable and arrogant while he is meek and humble. What is this? This is real pride. Sometimes when we go to visit people, the wife says, "My husband is too quick." What she means is that her husband is quick but she is not and that she is meek but her husband is troublesome. However, she is actually more troublesome before God than her husband. It is hard for many of the saints who have a number of good points to make any spiritual progress. This is due to the fact that they have listened to many messages not for themselves but for others.

Some of the saints do not seem to have a bad temper; they are as gentle as sheep. However, they always listen to messages not for themselves but for others. When they hear a word concerning breaking, they think, "Brother A is quick-tempered, so he surely needs to be broken. Sister B is not good either, so she also needs to be broken." It never occurs to them that those who are meek need to be broken even more than those who are quick-tempered.

It is often easier for God to deal with a stubborn person than with a pliable person. Someone may seem to be so pliable, like a rubber ball, that God has no way to break him. When a certain situation arises, he does not care. When he is dealt with by his supervisor, he does not care. When he is dealt with by some of his family members, he cares even less. Like a rubber ball, he bounces back whenever he is hit, and he bounces up whenever he is thrown down. This kind of person is indifferent toward everything; he is unbreakable. He cannot be broken by one person, nor by two, three, or even five persons. However, if he were a glass, he could be broken with a single stroke.

If a sister cannot be broken by her husband, her son, or her daughter-in-law, people will praise her, saying that she is really spiritual because she cannot be broken by anyone. However, we must realize that because she is not broken and cannot be broken, Christ has no way to live out from her. What she lives out is her whole self, her smooth and refined self, but not Christ. Christ has no way to live out of her.

Neither our kindness, our good deeds, nor our morality can represent Christ. Only Christ Himself can represent Christ. Nothing that we have, even if it is good, can represent Christ. The progress of a Christian’s spiritual life does not depend on how much he has changed; rather, it depends on how much he has been broken and to what stature Christ has grown in him. In other words, the growth of a Christian hinges on his being broken and Christ’s increasing in him.
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Reading this was really meaningful. You knw, when u reach a certain age & have a so-called track record as testimony, folks will only say things like : Oh! he's just a nice person or Oh! he's a good boy so he doesn't do these things.

Never will you hear them say, he behaves like this b'cos he's a Christian or he's a goodie-2-shoes b'cos he follows Christ. So, I would like to find out more about his faith! They attribute the good, coming frm the man himself rather than a change that was brought on by the leading of the Holy Spirit simply b'cos he/she wasn't that bad to begin with. So unless thr's this tremendous change which can bring out the contrast easily, others just don't see it. Sometimes witnessing is challenging b'cos of this.

Then on top of that, God is moulding us in his own way on the side, b'cos thr's still sanctification to be had. A works in progress which other ppl do not & cannot see.
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post Jun 12 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jun 12 2014, 06:07 PM)
That is what i thought at first, literally take out eyes out, and i thought, isn't it too much  sweat.gif
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Ha ha ha ha ha! if it was taken literally, u will see many blind ppl about tongue.gif

but yeah, avoid the temptation b4 it comes. u can try surfing the net wif doors open, whr ur household members can see what u r viewing.
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post Jun 12 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 12 2014, 09:16 PM)
The best way is ask for this from the Lord. We are here not for any other thing but to know Christ. We should not pray for our work but for this revelation, the revelation that Christ in us has become our life. We have to comprehend, to sense, and to practically experience Christ’s working Himself into us through our environments.

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Amen bro. In a very dry place right now.
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post Jun 17 2014, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(ysuyan @ Jun 17 2014, 02:27 PM)
smile.gif Are you a pastor in this thread only or in reality too ?

Good to know you.

I'm from EMC ,  PJ.
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hello fren smile.gif

mods moved us to Serious /k just 2 wks back.
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post Jun 23 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 22 2014, 11:30 PM)
If someone is punished, it means that this person still has sins. When a person has died in his sins, he is basically condemned.

A true Christian will still enter into heaven even though he has committed suicide. He may not be rewarded as much though but he will still enter heaven. Basically all his sins are forgiven and so there is nothing to be punished

Incredible. This is really getting to be an eyeopener
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Hi Sylar,

I'm not gonna comment on the psychiatry part mainly because my knowledge is too shallow on the said topic. Just been sitting on the sidelines to see how others respond.

I do however feel that if a saved person commits suicide, God will still accept them into his open arms on the other side. I agree with you. On how it could be possible for Christians to commit suicide, it could be due to extreme duress or a sudden moment of terrible weakness maybe?
Since we are still living in the flesh on this Earth & are susceptible to sin?

p.s. i don't know any or have yet to hear of any Christians committing suicide.
p.p.s. i do follow your posts occasionally under the other sections & i enjoy your debates.
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post Jun 23 2014, 11:26 PM

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If a believer is not matured in the divine life in this age, he will have to go through dispensation punishment in the millennial kingdom where the overcoming believers will enjoy the rewards as co-kings. The defeated believers will be "trained"/"discipled" so that they are will be matured after 1000 years.


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But what I am pretty sure is no "training" will be done over that 1000 year time period you are talking about to "unmaturing believers"


Hi pehkay,

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matt 8:12


Is this verse what you meant?

while i'm aware of a 1000 year millennial kingdom & believe that those saved before that, will rule as kings & priests alongside Christ during this period, i'm astounded by the fact that there will be further needed training rclxub.gif

I believe that in this life, some Christians sin less & some sin more.
I believe that Christ will reward us at the Bema Seat Judgement accordingly( Wood , Hay , Stuble verse ).
I believe all saved Christians are overcomers.
I do not believe that we will be rewarded & placed in some sort of ranking system. Granted, some will be given bigger responsibilities but the rewards will be more in the form of spiritual rewards for scripture says ,

However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him 1 Cor 2 : 9

Bema Seat Judgement is a rewards ceremony. Different from the Great White Throne Judgement. If my interpretation of the chronology of events is correct, the Bema Seat Judgement takes place before the millenial kingdom commences. We would also have been given an incorruptible body which is no longer able to succumb to sin. So why would we still have need for further training? I believe that we as Christians are refined & matured at our own pace, depending on how God wishes to mould us. Once we are translated, the process of sanctification would have run its course would it not?

Besides, we still have an eternity to learn more about God after the Old Earth & Old Heaven passes away cool.gif

p.s. Sylar pls dun so fierce ahhh like how u r in the other sections tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2014, 03:28 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 8 2014, 11:34 AM)
Dear All, Shalommmm

I am looking for church which either like

1. Joel osteen teaching
2. Jospeh prince teaching.
3  Or other church which focus more on prosperity teaching.

I am in malaysia selangor / KL area, english speaking.

Mohon bantuan jeee... tqvm n God Bless. :-)
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ermm, nope! i do not knw of any. Churches tat i do knw of, only preach about fire & brimstone, sin, repentance, love & Jesus the Christ.

i stay far, far away frm the teachings of Joel Osteen , Joseph Prince , Rick Warren & the likes cool2.gif .
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post Jul 9 2014, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 9 2014, 06:45 AM)
those names u mentioned they does not emphasizes on prosperity teaching but more on the bibilical teaching, why their church can prosper is because of the approach they took and the way of teaching is not like traditional nor orthodox
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sorry, i strongly disagree.
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post Jul 9 2014, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 9 2014, 07:59 AM)
then show me the proof that they mentioned prosperity in all their sermons?

if you can't mean you are just hearing this from 1 sided source
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1. have u heard any of their sermons? youtube, etc ? no?

2. read any of their books? how bout 'The Purpose Driven Life' by Rick Warren? again, no?


u can go look for the proof yourself. i'm not in the biz of spoon-feeding u. otherwise, u r just hearing frm a 1 sided source too whistling.gif

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post Jul 10 2014, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 10 2014, 01:27 AM)
i have rad Rick warren book before so as joseph prince and Rick warren sermon truthfully said prosperity has many kind not the money prosperity type alone
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refer to the 2 posts above yours. read what prophetjul has written wink.gif
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post Aug 5 2014, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 4 2014, 10:18 AM)
Bible Devotions with UW

ALL JOY

Without Him, we are empty. Only God can give you the Joy that you're longing for. His very being is Joy itself.
You cannot achieve Joy on your own. It is only temporal and circumstance dependence.
but to have the Spirit of God dwelling inside of us brings lasting Joy that nothing in this world can bring.

It is that deep quiet peace and Joy.

When you practice the presence of God with you all day long, when you talk to Him, when you pray, when you contemplate his presence,
You will notice that inward Joy is In you.
Be at Peace, dear friends. Be at Peace.

God Bless.
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Amen to tat nod.gif .

We live in a fast paced world. If we would only slow down & calm our hearts & clear our minds, we can hear the Holy Spirit speak clearly.

As we grow older, the novelty of life kinda wears off. All that glitters in this world means nothing.

Only the LOVE of God notworthy.gif can last forever.
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post Aug 14 2014, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Aug 14 2014, 11:29 AM)
No lar!!! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHEN... the real sign is if the second temple is build up first tongue.gif ... which is not possible right now ... also, once it is build up, the system of Jewish worship is build up ... and when you see real peace in the Middle East due to someone smile.gif .... then 7 years left.
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post Aug 14 2014, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 14 2014, 06:43 PM)
1000 years ago a lot of people believe it's the end of the world due to the black plague. Tunggu Jesus. Yet we are still here 1000 years later.

It may look like it's coming true now, but mana tahu plot twist. Then 500 years later our descendants read back and go 'Jeez why do people believe that? It hasn't come to pass also."
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Parable of the Fig Tree

Matthew 24:32, Jesus says this:

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things
be fulfilled."

Israel became a nation in 1948. Not long to go.
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post Aug 14 2014, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:14 PM)
I thought we gotta be alert and be prepared anytime because the judgement day / second coming of Jesus can comes without any sign / warning. No one knows when (Matthew 24:36)

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare." 2 Peter 3: 10

"For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night." 1 Thes 5: 2
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all the verses above speak about the rapture of the church. NOT the 2nd coming of Christ.

In fact, we r told exactly when is the 2nd coming of Christ......at the end of the 7 yrs of tribulation when Christ notworthy.gif finally sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
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post Aug 14 2014, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(TankerGadget Store @ Aug 14 2014, 10:57 AM)
which means ... now is the first three years ???
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we r definitely not in the 1st half of the tribulation. it will b a very different world then.

the tribulation is called Daniel's 70th week. (refer to the book of Daniel)

it is also a time of God's judgement of the unrepentant gentile world.
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post Aug 14 2014, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(sonido @ Aug 14 2014, 08:10 PM)
interesting. suddenly something cross my mind. what if israel as a nation need to be whole first before the Coming? meaning all the land where the palestinieans still sit need to be re-taken by the israelites first. and jordan and lebanon too i think.

if thats the the case its not gonna be by peaceful means. israel must use force to retake those lands. it may trigger a big war then.
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rest assured, thr WILL b WAR breaking out in the middle east. spiritual Israel is DEAD at this point in time. when the 7 years kick in, they wil eventually turn their face back to the Almighty God notworthy.gif . there will of course be a price to pay in all these.

refer to the verses Matt 24:15-20 . there's a mention about heading/fleeing to the hills with just the clothes on their backs. this is at the mid-trib point.

and finally, Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city sad.gif .





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