QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 23 2024, 02:25 PM)
not really related...high metal sputter content... or high metalic ceramic content... these are the factors to smart tag use...
essentially its creating a faraday cage with your car...
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 23 2024, 03:40 PM) not really related... Faraday cage blocks EM. You're talking about RF, GPS, Phone signal.high metal sputter content... or high metalic ceramic content... these are the factors to smart tag use... essentially its creating a faraday cage with your car... Smart tag use IR, hence high IRR would affect the detection. That's theoretical though. So I would like to know from real world experience does 96% IRR affect smart tag detection. |
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 23 2024, 04:08 PM) Faraday cage blocks EM. You're talking about RF, GPS, Phone signal. IR is a waveform part of the EM spectrum... so i guess high IRR will affect it...Smart tag use IR, hence high IRR would affect the detection. That's theoretical though. So I would like to know from real world experience does 96% IRR affect smart tag detection. ok lets wait for others for your answer This post has been edited by dwRK: Apr 23 2024, 04:36 PM |
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Using Irispro which claims to have 99% IRR but Smarttag works just okie. Maybe it's in a different spectrum within the IR.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 23 2024, 04:08 PM) Faraday cage blocks EM. You're talking about RF, GPS, Phone signal. Majority of these companies don’t actually manufacturer the films themselves. They usually go to OEMs and have their film customized based on some formulas. Smart tag use IR, hence high IRR would affect the detection. That's theoretical though. So I would like to know from real world experience does 96% IRR affect smart tag detection. From my understanding, these OEMs can customize the sputter type in such a way to let certain frequencies pass. Some of these local companies like IrisPro or Raytech have likely identified the IR frequencies for SmartTag and customized their sputter to allow them to pass. A better test for IRR (to see if the company is cheating you in their IRR marketing) is, believe it or not, entry keycards. If your film claims IRR 96% but you can enter your condo without lowering your window while stopped parallel to the scanner, you’ve likely been scammed. Note that this doesn’t apply to autogate remotes, because those signals can pass through the parts of the car that are not covered by the tint sputter, like the A or B pillars. Still, there’s no set standard so it’s very hard to verify a manufacturer’s arbitrary IRR claims unless you have expensive equipment that can measure over a very wide spectrum. Most of the handheld meters used by installers measure only a specific set of peak (λp) wavelengths. The most common brand of meters used by installers in MY are the Lingshang meters. Check out their specs; https://www.linshangtech.com/portable-windo...mission-meters/ Notice they all measure only peak wavelengths at either 940nm or 1400nm on the infrared spectrum. Basically they’re measuring IRR only at those specific wavelengths. Anything below, above or in between is not measured. These two wavelength sit on ranges that typically have the biggest effect on the initial burn we feel at the moment of exposure (940nm), or the resonating infrared radiation after the first 45seconds of exposure (1400nm), but they never tell the whole story, which requires measurements between 780-2200nm at 100nm intervals. This is why it’s impossible to know how well a film performs across a wide range. There’s no ISO or DiN standard mandated for automotive films like there is for aerospace. As a result, we’re playing a lottery. So next time you install a window tint, make sure to buy toto on the same day. Maybe you will kena. This post has been edited by dev/numb: Apr 23 2024, 06:19 PM |
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 23 2024, 02:20 PM) Do note the original FWS tint is not working very well coz is JPJ compliant. Since it'll fail Puspakom anyway, what's darkest and "safest" VLT we can go for without getting flagged, 60% FWS?You can actually live with them, many does but if you want max comfort clear tint, then change lor but effective tints like VKool and 3M that listed 70+% have very high risk of failing Puspakom test. These tints won't be stop in operasi tho coz very clear, operasi only aim for cars with much darker front tint. Im thinking of doing VLT 60% FWS, and 40% for the rest. This post has been edited by Underhill: Apr 23 2024, 06:53 PM |
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QUOTE(Underhill @ Apr 23 2024, 06:52 PM) Since it'll fail Puspakom anyway, what's darkest and "safest" VLT we can go for without getting flagged, 60% FWS? i went VLT 30% (Irispro Diamond 30)Im thinking of doing VLT 60% FWS, and 40% for the rest. Underhill liked this post
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QUOTE(Underhill @ Apr 23 2024, 06:52 PM) Since it'll fail Puspakom anyway, what's darkest and "safest" VLT we can go for without getting flagged, 60% FWS? VLT50% FWS and Fwindow, back window with lowest VLTIm thinking of doing VLT 60% FWS, and 40% for the rest. Underhill liked this post
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QUOTE(Underhill @ Apr 23 2024, 06:52 PM) Since it'll fail Puspakom anyway, what's darkest and "safest" VLT we can go for without getting flagged, 60% FWS? Ya, I gave up on VLT70% tint and trying for JPJ compliant tint when my VKool Elite that is supposedly JPJ compliant with VLT of 71% to 73% read 64% in Lingshang meter reading on FWS.Im thinking of doing VLT 60% FWS, and 40% for the rest. For me, VLT 60% should is good liao for FWS. It should read about 54 to 56%. Looks clear tint no matter how you look at it. Of course if you compare side by side with VLT 70%, you can see the difference in brightness but at a glance from outside, clear tint. For front side windows, I think maintaining 55 to 60% VLT also good enuf, at least if kena Puspakom, no need to tear of side windows tint. I myself uses VLT60% (actual reading will be lower at 54 to 56% VLT at 3mm) for FWS and front side, VLT30 (actual reading 20-21% VLT, coz 5mm). My civic accidentally tinted with an additional security layer with 5mm on side windows (ya, my tint have option for same range, FWS uses the 2+/3mm original layer, if use in side, can make it 5mm as security layer for the same range) making the supposedly VLT60% goes down to 48%. I wanted it to be JPJ compliant at the side but since already installed, I just let it be. My other using the same tint, I specifically reminded them to use same layer 2-3mm as FWS, it only read 54%. Although different tint produces different hue, different colour of light penetration and brightness, for my VLT30 rear tints (read 20-21%), it is light brown and pretty bright for a supposedly low VLT tint, in a good way. Its very clear at night and comfortable at daytime, not dark and yet not bright, comfortable lighting. So you can try VLT30. Any lower, the reading will likely falls below 20, making me strain my eyes a bit. VLT30 (read VLT21) did not strain my eyes at night but that is my preference coz many ppl still drive ok with even lower VLT tint at night. This post has been edited by Cavino: Apr 24 2024, 08:50 AM |
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 24 2024, 08:24 AM) Tint produces different hue, different colour of light penetration and brightness, for my VLT30 rear tints (read 20-21%), it is light brown and pretty bright for a supposedly low VLT tint, in a good way. Its very clear at night and comfortable at daytime, not dark and yet not bright, comfortable lighting. So you can try VLT30. Any lower, the reading will likely falls below 20, making me strain my eyes a bit. VLT30 (read VLT21) did not strain my eyes at night but that is my preference coz many ppl still drive ok with even lower VLT tint at night. Thank you for the detail write up, appreciate it. It'll make me easier to decide.I do notice that 3M Crystalline has more of brownish hue say than with other tint, or even with their own Ceramic. My other car has a greenish hue which I hate. |
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 24 2024, 08:24 AM) Ya, I gave up on VLT70% tint and trying for JPJ compliant tint when my VKool Elite that is supposedly JPJ compliant with VLT of 71% to 73% read 64% in Lingshang meter reading on FWS. Dunno why your car glass is so different to mine. My Harrier V-kool Elite on front windscreen measured VLT 69.7, and the installers used the exact same 2-piece meter the cops use at roadblocks. They claimed that small difference no issue for roadblocks. Puspakom might be different story though, because their meters calibrated differently. My mum’s Cross with IrisPro Diamond 60 on the front windscreen and windows measured VLT 60.1 once applied (factory tint removed first, obviously), although this was only measured with handheld Lingshang meters. Iirc, posted photos of those reading somewhere in this thread.For me, VLT 60% should is good liao for FWS. It should read about 54 to 56%. Looks clear tint no matter how you look at it. Of course if you compare side by side with VLT 70%, you can see the difference in brightness but at a glance from outside, clear tint. Although different tint produces different hue, different colour of light penetration and brightness, for my VLT30 rear tints (read 20-21%), it is light brown and pretty bright for a supposedly low VLT tint, in a good way. Its very clear at night and comfortable at daytime, not dark and yet not bright, comfortable lighting. So you can try VLT30. Any lower, the reading will likely falls below 20, making me strain my eyes a bit. VLT30 (read VLT21) did not strain my eyes at night but that is my preference coz many ppl still drive ok with even lower VLT tint at night. With regards to hue, my mum’s Cross install combination of Diamond 60 and 30, and all the hues look the same emeral-blue shade. The back is just deeper than the front. DX I have no idea because it wasn’t released yet back when I installed. For 3M I saw dog999 previously mention that once you go down to 30 or 20 VLT the film exhibits a yellow/brown hue. I tagged him in the previous sentence so hopefully he will read it and clarify. This post has been edited by dev/numb: Apr 24 2024, 04:49 PM |
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 23 2024, 08:26 AM) When you said it that way....it makes sense. Ok, my bad. if the tint quality is just on par with branded, then is no brainer answer as one will 100% go for branded. just like 1 go buy a beg from pasar malam that having exact same quality as C.keith at the same price, then why pick pasar malam brand over C.keith.. ppl picked less branded because of higher spec, yet cheaper.. same price same spec, branded is the only way to go.When I install this, its 2.6K tho,,,then upgrade 2.8K to DX. It included a perfect job of removing old tints from both my 16 and 18 years old cars. Demister for both still worked like a charm. The pricing also included full arrangement of windscreen replacement directly in the center. When I look at that pricing included the excellent services, I can't help but try to help promote the brand a bit when I can because I think they are worth it. That is from the pricing view of a sedan...tho coz when it goes SUV, the high pricing, not sure. Unfortunately I did not think it would look like that to a sceptic of premium price local brands, but I accept as it does look like that when I look from your POV now that you mentioned the reason. I am never a sceptic of any brands local or international, just look at their price range and then the review on quality of tints. For metallic sputter tints, my bias preference, not much choice at that. So I would still recommend them if ppl looking for good metallic sputter tint alternatives coz I found one that I like and think the company doing this is ok. Maybe try not to sound so enthusiastic tho, my bad on this, as I did not look from a neutral point of 3rd party but one who have used them and are excited about it... And you are also right, I run the risk of recommending one when I have not use it long term, I may or may not regret a few years later...mmm, let me think about it.... As for the pricing, I think I have to disagree that local brands have to sell at 2K or lower if they think their quality are on par with the premium ones. Maybe you are not into metallic sputter, you might not care, I do, so it will appeal to people with the same bias. I won't recommend them over nano ceramic tho as both have their pro and cons aka premium metallic sputter are usually more expensive in general but against advancement of technology of nano ceramic, I can't be sure of premium nano ceramic cost. My 2 cents is good metallic sputter tints cannot be sold too low a price coz its generally more expensive to produce real good metallic sputter. If sold at low price, I would definitely think there is something wrong with material they used for sputtering or the sputtering process is not what they say they did. It would be harder to sell at premium price tho, unfortunately but when the selling price is too low for a premium metallic sputter tint that the owner really believes is good, they would drag the brand name to 3rd rate brands and would likely never be able to achieve the premium brand name that they aim for. Its a dilemma for them if you think about it. for 3k, i will try branded metalised tint like xpel.. but of cos, u can continue irispro |
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QUOTE(Underhill @ Apr 24 2024, 10:03 AM) Thank you for the detail write up, appreciate it. It'll make me easier to decide. most tint has some colors on the tint, be it black/grey, green, charcoal, etc colour... pick the one u like most, and the color be come more obvious when reflection is higher, usually at low vltI do notice that 3M Crystalline has more of brownish hue say than with other tint, or even with their own Ceramic. My other car has a greenish hue which I hate. Underhill liked this post
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 24 2024, 08:24 AM) Ya, I gave up on VLT70% tint and trying for JPJ compliant tint when my VKool Elite that is supposedly JPJ compliant with VLT of 71% to 73% read 64% in Lingshang meter reading on FWS. can send me the price & spec for irispro? where is your branch located?For me, VLT 60% should is good liao for FWS. It should read about 54 to 56%. Looks clear tint no matter how you look at it. Of course if you compare side by side with VLT 70%, you can see the difference in brightness but at a glance from outside, clear tint. For front side windows, I think maintaining 55 to 60% VLT also good enuf, at least if kena Puspakom, no need to tear of side windows tint. I myself uses VLT60% (actual reading will be lower at 54 to 56% VLT at 3mm) for FWS and front side, VLT30 (actual reading 20-21% VLT, coz 5mm). My civic accidentally tinted with an additional security layer with 5mm on side windows (ya, my tint have option for same range, FWS uses the 2+/3mm original layer, if use in side, can make it 5mm as security layer for the same range) making the supposedly VLT60% goes down to 48%. I wanted it to be JPJ compliant at the side but since already installed, I just let it be. My other using the same tint, I specifically reminded them to use same layer 2-3mm as FWS, it only read 54%. Although different tint produces different hue, different colour of light penetration and brightness, for my VLT30 rear tints (read 20-21%), it is light brown and pretty bright for a supposedly low VLT tint, in a good way. Its very clear at night and comfortable at daytime, not dark and yet not bright, comfortable lighting. So you can try VLT30. Any lower, the reading will likely falls below 20, making me strain my eyes a bit. VLT30 (read VLT21) did not strain my eyes at night but that is my preference coz many ppl still drive ok with even lower VLT tint at night. This post has been edited by CuriousBuyer: Apr 24 2024, 11:03 PM |
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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Apr 24 2024, 04:46 PM) Dunno why your car glass is so different to mine. My Harrier V-kool Elite on front windscreen measured VLT 69.7, and the installers used the exact same 2-piece meter the cops use at roadblocks. They claimed that small difference no issue for roadblocks. Puspakom might be different story though, because their meters calibrated differently. My mum’s Cross with IrisPro Diamond 60 on the front windscreen and windows measured VLT 60.1 once applied (factory tint removed first, obviously), although this was only measured with handheld Lingshang meters. Iirc, posted photos of those reading somewhere in this thread. The VKool Elite I measured is on City 2006 FWS. The tint changed about 4 years ago when it cracked. Measured using Lingshan ILS110H meter by the center.With regards to hue, my mum’s Cross install combination of Diamond 60 and 30, and all the hues look the same emeral-blue shade. The back is just deeper than the front. DX I have no idea because it wasn’t released yet back when I installed. For 3M I saw dog999 previously mention that once you go down to 30 or 20 VLT the film exhibits a yellow/brown hue. I tagged him in the previous sentence so hopefully he will read it and clarify. Unfortunately did not think of measuring my other 2 cars (persona and Civic) FWS VKool Elite before it was swap out. The D60 on my Civic FWS measured 56% tho. Maybe Honda FWS is sort of darker by default as can be seen on my old City and Civic? The new Hondas, don't know liao. I guess the FWS brands for each car really makes a big difference and I cannot use Honda (at least the old ones) as a default measurement compared with other cars as their FWS might be much brighter thus VKool Elite can still pass Puspakom. Ya, my DX30 (abt 5mm) internal is light brown lighting inside but DX60 is sort of hazy light greenish lighting. That is why I say if feel weird initially, it does not match even from same series. Expected lighter in front and much darker at rear with same colour tone initially. Maybe the fault of using 2 tones or Irispro DX series different VLT colour hue screwed up. From outside under direct sunlight, D60 gives a slight golden/brownish hue, DX60 almost same brownish with a slight hue of green while DX60 emerald green or something like that. Not under direct sunlight, not much hue difference, just front can see thru and rear much darker. |
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QUOTE(Sir_Jim @ Apr 24 2024, 10:58 PM) if the tint quality is just on par with branded, then is no brainer answer as one will 100% go for branded. just like 1 go buy a beg from pasar malam that having exact same quality as C.keith at the same price, then why pick pasar malam brand over C.keith.. ppl picked less branded because of higher spec, yet cheaper.. same price same spec, branded is the only way to go. Of course if same quality, same spec with same pricing, I would go for branded. Now, on the spec requirement that I want, it is cheaper than the branded that I compared to (VKool Elite), of course, who can be more expensive. Other branded does not fit my requirement at the price I want....Irispro do...so it is wrong that I choose them, installed them and found them good both in tint and excellent services and then recommend them albeit the pricing is a bit more premium than I would have like? I'm crazy at that, I did say that before.for 3k, i will try branded metalised tint like xpel.. but of cos, u can continue irispro I am still a fan of VKool and I still think VKool is better if going at same VLT and the only reason I think DX60 heat resistant seems better is due to much lower VLT. I cannot denied that. If both at same VLT, I think VKool Elite still wins outs but I do get to installed what I feel now is a better than VKool Elite at much lower price (I am just talking abt getting better heat resistant due to much lower VLT vs my earlier very bright VKool Elite). Still if I can afford VKool Elite with the same VLT specs that I install now, but with the spec I have now, I cannot afford VKool. Xpel using Dye-Metallic hybrid, the word Dye comes in and I skipped that straight-way, just does not fit my requirement that Irispro do but as I say b4, your preference on tints specs especially metallic differs to mine, a lot but that is again my own preference. As I have my bias, you seems to have yours as your eg, seems to compare local brands as pasar malam or fake brand even as an example. you seems to be treating local brand as OEM or fake branded instead of them trying to build their own brand mindset. Thus local brand must be of lower grade and cheap stuff, I can't say anything more as seems your mindset is made up. I give up arguing on that. I do think your suggestion of toning down my own enthusiast view is correct. Looking back, I do sound like a salesman... This post has been edited by Cavino: Apr 25 2024, 01:14 PM |
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QUOTE(CuriousBuyer @ Apr 24 2024, 11:02 PM) Just contact Puchong branch contact in their website. I did it in Klang but the manager is the same as Puchong branch. The contact for Klang is direct to owner but it will still be passed to Puchong branch manager to handle. For other branches, don't know who handle, just contact via their website contact. I did that during my search last time.Check their website for the specs are listed there but for DX specs, just ask directly but I believe not much different (but in real life, do feel different). In terms of colour, I like Diamond 60 better than DX60 as DX seems at have hazy (like mild haze) when sunlight reflect on "certain" angle on my side windows. DX30 has not such issue, its darker anyway. On FWS DX60 don't have hazy look tho but D60 seems substantially brighter even when on their paper it is 2% different VLT only. Mine was done in December 2023 and January 2024 respectively. So pricing already different. Different car range, different pricing. Mine is small sedan (old City and Civic). This post has been edited by Cavino: Apr 25 2024, 10:45 AM |
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QUOTE(dev/numb @ Apr 24 2024, 04:46 PM) Dunno why your car glass is so different to mine. My Harrier V-kool Elite on front windscreen measured VLT 69.7, and the installers used the exact same 2-piece meter the cops use at roadblocks. They claimed that small difference no issue for roadblocks. Puspakom might be different story though, because their meters calibrated differently. My mum’s Cross with IrisPro Diamond 60 on the front windscreen and windows measured VLT 60.1 once applied (factory tint removed first, obviously), although this was only measured with handheld Lingshang meters. Iirc, posted photos of those reading somewhere in this thread. Only Crystalline 70 blueish, 3M Crystalline 60,50,40,20 more towards brownish yea.With regards to hue, my mum’s Cross install combination of Diamond 60 and 30, and all the hues look the same emeral-blue shade. The back is just deeper than the front. DX I have no idea because it wasn’t released yet back when I installed. For 3M I saw dog999 previously mention that once you go down to 30 or 20 VLT the film exhibits a yellow/brown hue. I tagged him in the previous sentence so hopefully he will read it and clarify. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() jimbet1337, Underhill, and 2 others liked this post
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Apr 25 2024, 08:52 AM) Of course if same quality, same spec with same pricing, I would go for branded. Now, on the spec requirement that I want, it is cheaper than the branded that I compared to (VKool Elite), of course, who can be more expensive. Other branded does not fit my requirement at the price I want....Irispro do...so it is wrong that I choose them, installed them and found them good both in tint and excellent services and then recommend them albeit the pricing is a bit more premium than I would have like? I'm crazy at that, I did say that before. no worry bro, u can continue sell irispro, nthg wrong, i didn't say their spec not good also.. but look at those big branded, the tint almost the same since intro, and which local brand has the capital to invest and invent. if so easy, local brand need not take from foreign and rebrand it.I am still a fan of VKool and I still think VKool is better if going at same VLT and the only reason I think DX60 heat resistant seems better is due to much lower VLT. I cannot denied that. If both at same VLT, I think VKool Elite still wins outs but I do get to installed what I feel now is a better than VKool Elite at much lower price (I am just talking abt getting better heat resistant due to much lower VLT vs my earlier very bright VKool Elite). Still if I can afford VKool Elite with the same VLT specs that I install now, but with the spec I have now, I cannot afford VKool. Xpel using Dye-Metallic hybrid, the word Dye comes in and I skipped that straight-way, just does not fit my requirement that Irispro do but as I say b4, your preference on tints specs especially metallic differs to mine, a lot but that is again my own preference. As I have my bias, you seems to have yours as your eg, seems to compare local brands as pasar malam or fake brand even as an example. you seems to be treating local brand as OEM or fake branded instead of them trying to build their own brand mindset. Thus local brand must be of lower grade and cheap stuff, I can't say anything more as seems your mindset is made up. I give up arguing on that. I do think your suggestion of toning down my own enthusiast view is correct. Looking back, I do sound like a salesman... and when the spec is too high, only time can tell its reliability... for the high price, why don't go branded when the spec and price are the same, obvious answer... so i won't go for local or oem when the price is so high. if want it to be cheap, a lot of cheaper local brand with high spec claimed too |
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