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momo-sang
post Dec 4 2013, 02:35 PM, updated 2y ago

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Hi all,
This is a version2 of the "HOT TOPIC" that we had discussed for the past few years.
Thanks all the supports who had actively utilized this open forum as a discussion stage.

Please continue from this thread. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

By the way, we had active forumers on Raytech, Huper Optic, 3M and VKool.

Do come in and discussion here.


Thanks!

1st Thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/418792/+3020

Summary:
1. Raytech, V-Kool, 3M are good in heat rejection. As long as it is original products. Beware of imitation products in the market.
Raytech Official Website
V-Kool Official Website
3M Local Distributor


2. Front Windscreen Films are very important where the most important thing is that housebrand can't compete with huge brands like Raytech Ultra70, V-Kool Elite or 3M Crystaline 70.

3. Beware of house brand in the market. Go to the window film specialist outlets to seek for more advice.

4. Always seek for warranty card for consumer rights and privilege after investing in car tinting.



This post has been edited by momo-sang: Sep 15 2015, 11:38 AM
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post Dec 4 2013, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(momo-sang @ Dec 4 2013, 02:35 PM)
Hi all,
This is a version2 of the "HOT TOPIC" that we had discussed for the past few years.
Thanks all the supports who had actively utilized this open forum as a discussion stage.

Please continue  from this thread. notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

By the way, we had active forumers on Raytech, Huper Optic, 3M and VKool.

Do come in and discussion here.
Thanks!
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post Dec 4 2013, 02:56 PM

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nice!, but a link back to V1 will be useful on the first post smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 03:02 PM


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Good one, keep all the good thoughts coming.
momo-sang
post Dec 4 2013, 03:19 PM

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Thanks all. I had add in the V1 link and closed the previous thread.
PM me if need to add more suggestion here for improvement.
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post Dec 4 2013, 10:11 PM

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I'm starting to think that Cool World gave me some kind of bad installation job.
It's because after the installation for almost a week. My front left passenger
window starting to have a few small bubbles already and some big bubbles
and the border of this window as well.

Tomorrow I'm going back to them and ask them to fix it.

wayfeel
post Dec 4 2013, 11:45 PM

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Holyshet.....version1 took almost 7 years to have version 2 LOL

Admin, is that a LYF record? I wonder which tered holds the number 1 as the longest time it took to have version2....



I'mma former user of V-Kool Elite on (8year old 05 H.City) and currently Huper Optik smile.gif Happy user both....but do notice V-kool Elite one bit greenish, very mildly tho.



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lonely143
post Dec 5 2013, 12:59 AM

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TS, I think is better dont put brand in the topic there
Here my suggestion

Automotive Windows Film Tinting Advice V2

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post Dec 5 2013, 11:51 AM

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Need some advice here. Thanks.

1. Is there any big difference between security film of 5mil and 7mil?
2. Does thicker security film affect the power window's life span?

lewiszen
post Dec 5 2013, 02:30 PM

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Which shops carry Llumar in Penang besides Ultracool?
Lord Gitsy
post Dec 5 2013, 02:40 PM

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You will never know what happening in window tinting market today. Until you read this...

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Before we started, I need to explain 2 things before we get confused on further statements. Window film is described based on high performance and high quality. Both aspects are important. High Performance means the window film possess superb heat rejection performance. High quality means prolonged lifetime of a window film’s material and its heat rejection performance can last for very long, for a minimum of at least 5 years. However, today, best-selling product in the market is very low in quality even though it has a considerably high performance. This means that the heat rejection is good for the first year and then it will drop more than 50% on second year. You will be surprised if I told you; the price is about the same for high and low quality film in market. Price range starts from few hundreds to two to three thousands depending on the heat rejection performance of the film.

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What was the Market Trends of Window Film Industry for 10-15 years ago?

* Branding was not important; customers had no idea how to look for good quality tint.

* Selling skills and salesman talks was more important at that time.

* Most tinting shop were doing own/local brand, they were not interested on good brand and International Brand, because they needed to come out with enormous amount of money for franchise fees and to purchase high cost products.

* At that time, hundreds of new brand tinting shops came out on market with many funny name.

* Korean film replaced USA film in almost all tinting shops in Malaysia.

* At that time, the Korean film was newly introduced into the market; many window tint sellers were attracted by its low costs and good heat rejection performance. However, nobody was aware of its quality, until it was proven that the heat rejection performance dropped in 12 months.

* Starting from that time until now, none of the tinting shop will tell you if they are selling Korean film, they keep cheating customer that they are selling USA film.

* After Korean products flooded Malaysia’s Tinting market, few things happened. Price war started among window film sellers, and all customers started getting low quality window film on their car, some even pay high price for it.

* After some time, we noticed more and more car on the road with the car windows full of bubbles, and waving. Incidents where the heat rejection dropped more than 50% after 1 year is also overwhelming.

* Due to unhealthy competition, many tinting shop with own brand/local brand started using unethical tricks in selling their products and they gradually started to lose their customers’ trust and confidence.


In window tint market crisis, few tricks that could easily been done by them include:

1. They Provide wrong/fake heat rejection. vmad.gif
Example, brochure printed IRR 95%, when tested with solar meter the real reading is below 50% or even below 20%.
That is why the price could be very different in different shops.

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2. Selling High Performance but Low Quality Product vmad.gif
The heat rejection performance lasts for maximum 1-2 years only. These films costs are actually much cheaper
and they are normally from Korea / Taiwan/ China 2-ply IR film or dye film.


3. "Made in USA" can sell better price. vmad.gif
Most of USA manufacturers are established company for making high performance and high quality products.
Unethical sellers that are not dealing with USA manufacturer deliberately printed "Made in USA" logo on their film
to cheat consumer so that they can sell higher price. Therefore, USA original and Low quality film selling about the same price in maket.
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4. Swap Product during Installation. vmad.gif
Many sellers use high performance and good quality products during demonstration, however later they swap with lower
performance and poor quality products during actual installation on your the vehicle.

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Current Market Trends in Window Film Industry

* Today, more and more consumers are aware about poor quality tinted, so they start doing research and surveys for a good quality tinted for their car.

* One of the best ways is to look for International Brand or popular USA brand in the market. Consumer is more confident on trusted brand.

* However, consumers still not necessarily know how to differentiate a good quality window tint.

* So, a new trend starts to appear, these own brand or local brand shop closes its business one by one, and many of these companies convert their shop to USA brand, by taking franchise from distributors. However, this is not happy ending story yet.

* Many of unethical sellers (Franchisee) misuse the USA brand to cheat consumer by selling non-original or fake products at their shop and name it with "House-Brand". These house-brands are not original USA products, there are no logo printed on the tint film and they give shop warranty card to their customers.

* “Shop Warranty card” meaning you must go back to the same shop where you fitted your window tint to claim warranty. Other dealers for the same brand will not entertained you as they possibly do not have same product in their shop.

* Worst thing even happened where the seller collected full amount of money from consumer and later swapped to other product (Korea Made) for all windows and rear windscreen. Only the front windscreen is original brand product.

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Click [Here] to Find Out More how to Choose a High Performance and Quality Window Tint.


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post Dec 5 2013, 02:55 PM

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Went to two car dealers...and they said LLumar not good. Is this true ?
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Went to two car dealers...and they said LLumar not good. Is this true ?
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You can try and tell us whether it's true or false.
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post Dec 5 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ultra_nyamuk @ Dec 5 2013, 02:55 PM)
Went to two car dealers...and they said LLumar not good. Is this true ?
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Why no good?
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post Dec 5 2013, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Gitsy @ Dec 5 2013, 02:40 PM)
According to IWFA, Safety film ranges in thickness 4 mils to upwards of 21 mils and thicker. Somehow, for automobile window use is recommend between 4mil to 6mil thickness. Window film above 6mil may cause disrupt to your power window in 1-2 years time. Some car manufacturer already facing this problem few years ago and only experience shop will aware of this issue.

However we find a lot of shop offering 4-5mil thickness safety film to customer, but they tell the customer is 6-8mil. Guys, thicker safety film is not the selling point, laboratory on physical performance of safety film is the selling point.

In theory, 7mil thickness film provides slightly better smash resistance compare to 5mil, infact it is not much different in safety performance and costing. In Malaysia, safety film come with solar control performance. The different of price is normally due to different heat rejection. According to Raytech report, the metal/ ceramic coating on the film for heat rejection performance is so expensive in USA, on the other hand, the costing for the thickness of the film between 4-7mil is about the same.
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Do you mean no point to go for 7 mil if compare to 6 mil? Since you mentioned above there is no much different in safety performance and costing, but definitely different on heat rejection
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QUOTE(sj0217 @ Dec 5 2013, 06:30 PM)
Do you mean no point to go for 7 mil if compare to 6 mil? Since you mentioned above there is no much different in safety performance and costing, but definitely different on heat rejection
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1 mil is 1/1000 inch. Thicker safety film is not the selling point, laboratory on physical performance of safety film is more important. Original USA 4mil safety film is good enough.
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post Dec 6 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Dec 5 2013, 03:02 PM)
You can try and tell us whether it's true or false.
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QUOTE(lewiszen @ Dec 5 2013, 03:57 PM)
Why no good?
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Hmm..I also dunno..that's why I ask here. They give responses like.. "LLumar ah ?? No good one lah that one.. "
If one dealer say..I don't mind..probably he's trying to sell his panel tint company.. But both different dealers say it...so just wondering is it true? I used to think that Llumar is a good brand..like 3m etc..
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Raytech Safety film is develop in Commonwealth Laminating and Coating, Inc, tested by America National Standard Institute. As window film specialist, Raytech just emphasis in the thickness of 4-6mil for automobile window used. Normally, 6mil and above will cause disruption of power window in1-2 years time in most of car.

Safety and security films are usually used to improve the performance of the glass for protection against human impact, bomb blasts, natural disaster, intrusion or seismic activity.

Safety film is always described in term of “mils”, which is a measurement of thickness as one thousandth of an inch (1/1000 inch). One mil equals 25.4 microns (micrometers). Safety film ranges in thickness 4 mils to upwards of 15 mils and thicker. The varying thickness is achieved by mechanically laminating multiple layers of film together with aggressive adhesive coatings. The Safety film is attached to the glass with extremely aggressive pressure sensitive adhesive. When stress causes the glass to break, the film has ability to stretch and absorb some or all of the energy generated by the stress. The result is that the broken glass may remain intact within the framing system preventing shards of glass becoming lethal projectiles.

Designed for applications where safety and security is a priority
a) Excellent solar performance, including heat and UV rejection, as well as glare reduction Superior optical clarity
b) Advanced adhesive formulation
c) Evaluation according to the following test methods/standards:
Small Missile Impact Test – ANSI Z-97.1 and CPSC 16 CFR 1201
Large Missile Impact Test & Cyclic Window Pressure Tests –
ASTM E 1886-02/ASTM E 1996-03, Level C, 4.5lb 2" x 4"
GSA Explosive Test – GSA-TS01-2003




For America Standard, and IWFA requirement 4mil safety film thickness and above is classified as safety film. The safety film must get the ANSI lab report or certificate on the break strength impact before the product can be release in to USA market. Further more, safety film now is coated with heat rejection material and become best selling product in Malaysia.

However, never make mistake that safety film is unbreakable. Every safety film has its break strength limited. Raytech 4mil Safety film can support up to 134lb break strength. As professional opinion, we never tell the customer how good is our safety film, even the original Raytech USA safety film just can delay breaking time for 20-30 seconds. Further more, although the safety tinted window has broken, the thief need to make a hole on the tinted window is not easy also. Thus, we got just enough time to try escape and drive the car away. An expect smash-and-grab-thief can grab your things in 2-3 seconds. That why meanwhile they will not try target on the car that tinted with safety film windows. Watch the videos below :


Car without tinted glass.


Car tinted with safety fim.


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post Dec 8 2013, 01:35 AM

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want to ask those tints selling on groupon for less than RM200 with solar and security worth to buy? some ranging from 5 mil to 8 mil
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post Dec 8 2013, 01:43 AM

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Is there any lifespan for tint? My v-kool like not so kool anymore after 8years. >.<
Any cheap and legal tint to recomend?

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