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post Aug 3 2013, 09:17 AM, updated 13y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - Understanding Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Link to v1
Link to v2
Link to v3

Happy investing! rclxms.gif

Disclaimer -
I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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Key quote for v4:

Monitor and manage your investments on portfolio basis, you can never have a portfolio of all winners and no losers. icon_rolleyes.gif

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So fast reach V.4 already... keep up the good works, pinky bro! notworthy.gif

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Yeah.. Keep it up!!
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post Aug 3 2013, 10:38 AM

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Yea..V4 already!
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V4 already, last V3 just start 2 months + ago, so fast go 2500 post, average about 40 post per days. This thread really so active.
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Aug 3 2013, 11:01 AM)
V4 already, last V3 just  start 2 months + ago, so fast go 2500 post, average about 40 post per days. This thread really so active.
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When u invest with agent who usually is your friend, relative or even part-time GF brows.gif , u got someone to discuss things over, share info etc.

With FSM, sometimes it can get a bit "lonely", thus we enjoy the company of fellow investors here. hands.gif blush.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 3 2013, 11:23 AM)
When u invest with agent who usually is your friend, relative or even part-time GF brows.gif , u got someone to discuss things over, share info etc.

With FSM, sometimes it can get a bit "lonely", thus we enjoy the company of fellow investors here. hands.gif blush.gif
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Yes, that why I read this thread like daily news, although I seldom to post.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 3 2013, 01:51 PM)
Reporting in.

Hwang Select Asia Opp finally in the green smile.gif
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Haha.. Congrats! How long you waited?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 3 2013, 12:56 PM)
Haha.. Congrats! How long you waited?
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29 days. Hahaha. I subsequently did a top up during the promo period.
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@Pink Spider, you're the TS again! sweat.gif
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Good work spidey..a full time financial advisor .. ...for free.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 3 2013, 12:51 PM)
Reporting in.

Hwang Select Asia Opp finally in the green smile.gif
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Me too rclxms.gif

QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 3 2013, 08:44 PM)
Good work spidey..a full time financial advisor .. ...for free..  thumbup.gif
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Playing my part promoting financial independence and awareness on unit trust investing for ppl who don't have the time and/or capital to do stock investing on their own icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 3 2013, 08:18 PM)
@Pink Spider, you're the TS again! sweat.gif
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If u want to, v5 let u take over lo wink.gif

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So when is next schedule for FSM offering g discount? tongue.gif

Maybe Merdeka discount?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 3 2013, 09:08 PM)
So when is next schedule for FSM offering g discount? tongue.gif

Maybe Merdeka discount?
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I doubt that. It's too near to the recently concluded discount campaign.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 3 2013, 12:51 PM)
Reporting in.

Hwang Select Asia Opp finally in the green smile.gif
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Grats! Aiyo I think my only green fund is HAQ and OSK balanced fund sad.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 3 2013, 11:23 AM)
When u invest with agent who usually is your friend, relative or even part-time GF brows.gif , u got someone to discuss things over, share info etc.

With FSM, sometimes it can get a bit "lonely", thus we enjoy the company of fellow investors here. hands.gif blush.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 3 2013, 09:27 PM)
I doubt that. It's too near to the recently concluded discount campaign.
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Last year August got Merdeka SC promotion or not ?
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Fundsupermart.com is now offering investors the opportunity to invest in funds from these markets at a promotional sales charge of 1% from 5 August 2013 till 30 August 2013.

Greater China --- Eastspring Investments Dinasti Equity Fund
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income
Asia Ex-Japan (Islamic) --- Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic Fund
Global Emerging Markets --- Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund
US --- RHB-GS US Equity Fund

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3696

just a note T &C #4
4.This promotion does not apply to transactions involving Intra Switch Buy.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 5 2013, 12:30 AM)
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Fundsupermart.com is now offering investors the opportunity to invest in funds from these markets at a promotional sales charge of 1% from 5 August 2013 till 30 August 2013.

Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund
US --- RHB-GS US Equity Fund

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3696
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Now, no excuses to delay adding a global fund to your portfolio thumbup.gif
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Wow... Ada lagi discount. Well done FSM!

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 5 2013, 12:30 AM)
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Fundsupermart.com is now offering investors the opportunity to invest in funds from these markets at a promotional sales charge of 1% from 5 August 2013 till 30 August 2013.

Greater China --- Eastspring Investments Dinasti Equity Fund
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income 
Asia Ex-Japan (Islamic) --- Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic Fund
Global Emerging Markets --- Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund
US --- RHB-GS US Equity Fund

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3696

just a note T &C #4
4.This promotion does not apply to transactions involving Intra Switch Buy.
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Those that are planning to go in AGEF but was hesitating (ahem.. like me..), is this a sign? smile.gif
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OMG ... another mega sales! sweat.gif
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having hard time to decide between these 2 :-
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund

any comments from the ground ?
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QUOTE(genesic @ Aug 5 2013, 08:55 AM)
having hard time to decide between these 2 :-
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income 
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund

any comments from the ground ?
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I thought I heard bad stuffs about AmAsia Pacific Equity Income.

Personally I am tempted to go in AGEF.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 09:01 AM)
I thought I heard bad stuffs about AmAsia Pacific Equity Income.

Personally I am tempted to go in AGEF.
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What're the bad stuffs?
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So sad last month and this month no money got UT top up..
gotta save to settle PTPTN lump sum amount cry.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2013, 08:55 AM)
OMG ... another mega sales! sweat.gif
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Haha.. David, one mega sales just end last week. This week another mega... I am loving it. Thought this time the sales I am not so interested on the funds..
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QUOTE(genesic @ Aug 5 2013, 08:55 AM)
having hard time to decide between these 2 :-
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income 
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund

any comments from the ground ?
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2 different funds with different investment mandate...not comparable
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2013, 10:01 AM)
Haha.. David, one mega sales just end last week. This week another mega... I am loving it. Thought this time the sales I am not so interested on the funds..
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Why? Don't like AGEF?

I was gonna ask who gonna buy in/top up AGEF.

Die also can die together tongue.gif *choi choi*
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2013, 09:02 AM)
What're the bad stuffs?
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I not very sure. But surfing from the last few versions of this thread, I think I came across quite a few.
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I have AGEF. Started late May when market was at the peak. I top up periodically over past few months. Now, my ROI is about -2%.

QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 11:17 AM)
Why? Don't like AGEF?

I was gonna ask who gonna buy in/top up AGEF.

Die also can die together  tongue.gif  *choi choi*
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 11:19 AM)
I not very sure. But surfing from the last few versions of this thread, I think I came across quite a few.
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It's feeding into a BlackRock fund, currently overweight Australia (as compared to HwangIM funds which overweight HK and ASEAN)...any problem? hmm.gif
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Pink Spider, on your personal opinion, what do you think about Kenanga Growth Fund?
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what is your view on global bond funds / Asian bond fund / Malaysia bond fund ? is it good to go in now?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 12:17 PM)
Why? Don't like AGEF?

I was gonna ask who gonna buy in/top up AGEF.

Die also can die together  tongue.gif  *choi choi*
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Hmm.. still not convinced with global funds... need to read more to get convinced..
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 09:01 AM)
I thought I heard bad stuffs about AmAsia Pacific Equity Income.

Personally I am tempted to go in AGEF.
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Maybe u confused urself with AmAsia Pacific REITs Fund?
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 5 2013, 12:10 PM)
Maybe u confused urself with AmAsia Pacific REITs Fund?
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That 50sen REIT with a projectile 4% annually? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ZH888 @ Aug 5 2013, 12:00 PM)
what is your view on global bond funds / Asian bond fund / Malaysia bond fund ? is it good to go in now?
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hmm.gif read these "noise" and then decide lor.....do you need bond funds for portfolio diversification?
Top Fixed Income Funds 1H 2013: Rising Yields Hurt Bond Funds dated 25 July 2013
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3665
Bonds Weekly: Yields Inch Up, Riskier Bonds Weaker [25 Jul 2013]
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8525
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 5 2013, 11:47 AM)
Pink Spider, on your personal opinion, what do you think about Kenanga Growth Fund?
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1. I don't buy Malaysia equity funds, thus I did not do thorough study on them
2. It's one of the best Malaysia equity funds based on historical returns
3. Kenanga prides itself on value investing, "buy-and-hold" and conservative management
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 5 2013, 01:19 PM)
1. I don't buy Malaysia equity funds, thus I did not do thorough study on them
2. It's one of the best Malaysia equity funds based on historical returns
3. Kenanga prides itself on value investing, "buy-and-hold" and conservative management
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Thank you for the detail.

Especially the no3 tip. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 5 2013, 01:48 PM)
Thank you for the detail.

Especially the no3 tip.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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No. 2 and 3 are all public info biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 5 2013, 01:51 PM)
No. 2 and 3 are all public info biggrin.gif
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no2 is obvious. no3 just need a lil clarification since i'm a starter and silent reader jer. brows.gif

Thank you btw. if got tip for starter please let me know.
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this looks interesting
Do You Invest By Using Your Rear-View Mirror? [2 August 13]
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8539
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 5 2013, 03:41 PM)
this looks interesting
Do You Invest By Using Your Rear-View Mirror? [2 August 13]
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8539
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Bro.. so you invest follow this advise?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2013, 12:04 PM)
Hmm.. still not convinced with global funds... need to read more to get convinced..
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I thought you have global funds? blink.gif

So how many % you are invested in Malaysia and Asia then? I think you only got these 2 right?

Maybe invest after September. Market may panic. MAY only ahh..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2013, 03:08 PM)
Bro.. so you invest follow this advise?
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neh, i invested based on the ROI (rear view mirror) in May
now i think i am too heavy in M'sia
now portfolio 54.34% EQ 35.30% FI
Mal Eq 37.63 % 18.27%FI
Asean (include M'sia) 50.28%EQ 17.03%FI
north Asia EQ 4.07%

after having gone thru postings of some sifus here and readings of some investment websites, i think i am wrong.....
i think i need to relocate my portfolio when the time (now all still not YET cover the SC) is right.


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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 05:27 PM)
I thought you have global funds?  blink.gif

So how many % you are invested in Malaysia and Asia then? I think you only got these 2 right?

Maybe invest after September. Market may panic. MAY only ahh..
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No global funds, If I want global I probably will go for Aberdeen. For EM markets, I am invested in Asia ex-Japan.

MY - 20%
Asia ex-Japan - 20%
EPF and PRS - 10%
FI - 50%
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 5 2013, 12:14 PM)
That 50sen REIT with a projectile 4% annually?  laugh.gif
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4%? no la, 2011-2012 it was such a good fund.. +30% leh blush.gif
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Wah.. Tension la, AmDynamic keep dropping..
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Anyone notice the fund price for Hwang Select Asia Quantum Fund is different between Hwang website and FSM, one is 1.3045 and FSM is 1.2906!!!
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Damn all.my bonds are.suffering
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My Kenanga Bond also been dropping
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2013, 09:07 PM)
Wah.. Tension la, AmDynamic keep dropping..
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Aiya. Nvm lar. Mine still well above 8%.

My equity portion is earning more than what AmDynamic is losing. So that's fine smile.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Aug 5 2013, 09:31 PM)
Damn all.my bonds are.suffering
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IIRC Mr Meow here 100% bond investor right? smile.gif
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Aug 5 2013, 09:11 PM)
Anyone notice the fund price for Hwang Select Asia Quantum Fund is different between Hwang website and FSM, one is 1.3045 and FSM is 1.2906!!!
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Hwang website did really display 1.2906 before I'm off from work... -RM0.0119

Maybe Hwang key-in wrongly earlier... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 5 2013, 09:39 PM)
Aiya. Nvm lar. Mine still well above 8%.

My equity portion is earning more than what AmDynamic is losing. So that's fine smile.gif
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Yeah, still net gain. And EM Bond is gaining too biggrin.gif
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My FI percentage is high, so I can feel the pinch!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 5 2013, 10:13 PM)
My FI percentage is high, so I can feel the pinch!
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How much commission Alliance pays you? whistling.gif
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Why is AmDynamic Bond not purchasable?
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Why is AmDynamic Bond not purchasable?
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Thank you. This also means no SELLING at all. How does one exit from this fund if it goes down one day?
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Thank you. This also means no SELLING at all. How does one exit from this fund if it goes down one day?
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Investors can sell their units. But AmInvestment is not taking further purchases into the fund.
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Being here almost 2-3 versions, I always see questions being repeated. Cannot blame, I was once like that too. Part of learning.
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Global funds!??? Sigh... Dont know want or not.
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Global funds!??? Sigh... Dont know want or not.
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Being here almost 2-3 versions, I always see questions being repeated. Cannot blame, I was once like that too. Part of learning.
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Fund-specific questions ok, but basic questions that can be easily answered by referring to FAQs on Post #1 makes me rage tongue.gif

gark I'm wondering, a conservatively-built stock portfolio, buy-and-hold VS a MY equity fund (which can raise cash level at times) VS a Balanced fund (which can have bonds and cash)

Siapa akan menang in the long term (>10 years) hmm.gif

I'm asking this bcos, I calculate IRR for my stock portfolio on the stocks only, cash are disregarded (cos its quite minimal and I raise/reduce it quite often), the bond fund that I use to hedge the stock returns are evaluated separately (cos it's not purely as stock hedge, it's also part of my cash reserve for emergencies). Wondering should I consolidate all 3 in calculating IRR hmm.gif

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Investors can sell their units. But AmInvestment is not taking further purchases into the fund.
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From the link given by unker looi, there state no selling. But i wont chase on that since i dont own any of it. I guess the fund is really outperformed over and over again. Reason asking is because it appeared in the recommended fund.

QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 6 2013, 07:40 AM)
Being here almost 2-3 versions, I always see questions being repeated. Cannot blame, I was once like that too. Part of learning.
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Sorry ya. I did read 1st page before, but i think this is fund centric and not mentioned so i jump to conclusion it is not available and shoot the question immediately.

I admit i was lazy to search by the fund name in thread.
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From the link given by unker looi, there state no selling. But i wont chase on that since i dont own any of it. I guess the fund is really outperformed over and over again. Reason asking is because it appeared in the recommended fund.
Sorry ya. I did read 1st page before, but i think this is fund centric and not mentioned so i jump to conclusion it is not available and shoot the question immediately.

I admit i was lazy to search by the fund name in thread.
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By "selling" they meant AmInvestment is not selling it anymore tongue.gif

If investors cannot sell, many gonna go burn their house, beat their mama laugh.gif
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Fundsupermart.com is now offering investors the opportunity to invest in funds from these markets at a promotional sales charge of 1% from 5 August 2013 till 30 August 2013.

Greater China --- Eastspring Investments Dinasti Equity Fund
Asia ex-Japan --- AmAsia Pacific Equity Income 
Asia Ex-Japan (Islamic) --- Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic Fund
Global Emerging Markets --- Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund
Global --- Alliance Global Equities Fund
US --- RHB-GS US Equity Fund

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3696

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Get the latest macroeconomic news, China economy, business news, China trade, Chinese economists, China economic system, economy forecast, and economic statistics from China Daily and chinadaily.com.cn
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/moto..._16871956_2.htm
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I remembered you were talking last time regarding the cheaper way to get a fund is by rsp
I am planning to go in with rsp and terminate it later on
Is there any time frame where I can terminate it or I can just terminate it after one transaction
I am using via cmf so its easier to terminate with just a click rather than submitting the forms for ddi
this info is not in their web page...
thanks
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Hey guys,

Here I am reporting my current status:
I'm still a new learning fund investor , started on April this year. Bought:
1) AmAsia Pacific REITs: Thought of getting exposure in REITs sector since I like to invest in property but start losing on May onwards

2) Ambond: My conservative side of investment but start losing money lately...never thought bond can also go negative before

3)CIMB Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund: Also start losing during May but slowly recovering... still in red

4)Hwang select Asia Quantum Fund: So far still in green during "ponzi" period lol

5) Hwang select bond fund: Thought to gain some global exposure from this fund, but a bit regret now...better use money to buy other global equity fund.

6)Kenanga growth fund: Winner of all, climbing high during election period

7)OSK-UOB KidSave: Up down up down... now in negative

8)Alliance GEF: Bought this from previous promo, so far earning a bit.

Overall: In green zone but only 0.23% earning. I learn a lot during this period and hope my portfolio will earn more in future.

From my fund list I know I'm lacking global exposure on certain region like north china and GEM. Wondering which to buy for this latest promo...
Still thinking~~
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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Aug 6 2013, 09:36 PM)
Hey guys,

Here I am reporting my current status:
I'm still a new learning fund investor , started on April this year. Bought:
1) AmAsia Pacific REITs: Thought of getting exposure in REITs sector since I like to invest in property but start losing on May onwards

2) Ambond: My conservative side of investment but start losing money lately...never thought bond can also go negative before

3)CIMB Principle Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund: Also start losing during May but slowly recovering... still in red

4)Hwang select Asia Quantum Fund: So far still in green during "ponzi" period lol

5) Hwang select bond fund: Thought to gain some global exposure from this fund, but a bit regret now...better use money to buy other global equity fund.

6)Kenanga growth fund: Winner of all, climbing high during election period

7)OSK-UOB KidSave: Up down up down... now in negative

8)Alliance GEF: Bought this from previous promo, so far earning a bit.

Overall: In green zone but only 0.23% earning. I learn a lot during this period and hope my portfolio will earn more in future.

From my fund list I know I'm lacking global exposure on certain region like north china and GEM. Wondering which to buy for this latest promo...
Still thinking~~
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You have time till end of this month for consideration what! doh.gif
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Ah.. This fund should be good. I am confident with their management
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pinky
I remembered you were talking last time regarding the cheaper way to get a fund is by rsp
I am planning to go in with rsp and terminate it later on
Is there any time frame where I can terminate it or I can just terminate it after one transaction
I am using via cmf so its easier to terminate with just a click rather than submitting the forms for ddi
this info is not in their web page...
thanks
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you can terminate after one payment, after you terminate it, the RSP cannot be revive but need to create a new RSP.
if i'm not wrong you can also reduce or increase the RSP but need to do it before 15th of next month. The RSP will keep on buying until you run out of money in the CMF or terminate manually

IMHO RSP is not really a cheaper way to get the fund but it just average out the price and also the minimise the risk of buying at the peak because we don't have the crystal ball to time the market accurately

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pinky
I remembered you were talking last time regarding the cheaper way to get a fund is by rsp
I am planning to go in with rsp and terminate it later on
Is there any time frame where I can terminate it or I can just terminate it after one transaction
I am using via cmf so its easier to terminate with just a click rather than submitting the forms for ddi
this info is not in their web page...
thanks
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It's actually "illegal", of course not on their web page ph34r.gif brows.gif tongue.gif

Yes u can terminate it after just one transaction wink.gif

edwardSL go pick up Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets for GEM exposure. U already have exposure to North Asia thru CIMB Dynamic Income, Hwang Quantum Ponzi tongue.gif and AGEF icon_rolleyes.gif

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Asian market is diving in red blood bath! sweat.gif
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Asian market is diving in red blood bath! sweat.gif
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If dropped more, I may want to buy AGEF. whistling.gif
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If dropped more, I may want to buy AGEF. whistling.gif
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today FSM transaction cut-off time @ 10am..
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today FSM transaction cut-off time @ 10am..
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So, no need watch market already, can shut down and enjoy holiday mood rclxms.gif
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@blizice, not today but by end of this month.
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So, no need watch market already, can shut down and enjoy holiday mood rclxms.gif
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KLCI quite resilient ...this few days started low but gradually recover the losses..

Hope my Hwang Select Balanced can recover from recent loss
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QUOTE(blizice @ Aug 7 2013, 10:08 AM)
KLCI quite resilient ...this few days started low but gradually recover the losses..

Hope my Hwang Select Balanced can recover from recent loss
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As Unker gark said, don't get too "short-termism" with INVESTING, esp UT investing. IMHO, it's best to have AT LEAST 3-years time horizon.
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Noted Sifu... i am thinking of buy china and US fund ...EI Dinasty and RHB GS US ...wait for opportunity now
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transaction cut off time today 10am

pink said " So, no need watch market already, can shut down and enjoy holiday mood" rclxms.gif

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Noted Sifu... i am thinking of buy china and US fund ...EI Dinasty and RHB GS US ...wait for opportunity now
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IMHO China funds can start to enter now

Whereas for RHB GS US, buy little by little, buy on dips
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Hope my Hwang Select Balanced can recover from recent loss
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rclxm9.gif Same boat....bought in May...stil hv not reached the SC,...not is -4%
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Somehow this thread is getting quieter and slower in pace. hmm.gif
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rclxm9.gif Same boat....bought in May...stil hv not reached the SC,...not is -4%
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What is your intention in buying this fund? my intention is to replace my bond fund..
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What is your intention in buying this fund? my intention is to replace my bond fund..
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i replaced my RHB bond with this and bought another one b'cos i though"BALANCED" was the right approach at that time
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 7 2013, 10:51 AM)
Somehow this thread is getting quieter and slower in pace. hmm.gif
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cos everyone have learnt more and got lesser questions to ask? smile.gif

QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 7 2013, 11:09 AM)
hmm.gif i think it got to do with the "mood"
i think i am now in the anxiety period
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 7 2013, 10:51 AM)
Somehow this thread is getting quieter and slower in pace. hmm.gif
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hmm.gif i think it got to do with the "mood"
i think i am now in the anxiety period

i guess it will have more chatters in the Optimism, excitement, thrill and Euphoria stage.

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rclxm9.gif Same boat....bought in May...stil hv not reached the SC,...not is -4%
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Me too same boat, bought in May or Jun, cant remember using EPF. Now also -4%
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Me too same boat, bought in May or Jun, cant remember using EPF. Now also -4%
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Maybe now is a good time for me to buy using EPF brows.gif

Hwang Select Opportunity + Hwang Select Balanced

Then a lot of my $$$ will be in the hands of HwangIM...my portfolio also got Ponzi Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity hmm.gif sweat.gif
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Maybe now is a good time for me to buy using EPF brows.gif

Hwang Select Opportunity + Hwang Select Balanced

Then a lot of my $$$ will be in the hands of HwangIM...my portfolio also got Ponzi Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity hmm.gif  sweat.gif
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Haha.. my EPF also HSO and HSB.
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Haha.. my EPF also HSO and HSB.
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World stocks down, Fed official flags stimulus end
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...us-end-20130807
thumbup.gif thumbup.gif time to go bargain hunting....
oops.gif got any bullets left to hunt later, if go in for the latest promo at the end of this month?

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I invested in AMB Value Trust fund just now at UOB the charges is 3% and i checked in fundsupermart it says

Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge 2 %
Annual Management Charge 1.5 %

Can someone please explain to me the diffrence? Looks like funds charges is 1% lesser thn UOB but wats annual management charges? Does UOB also charge management fees?

Thanks notworthy.gif

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I invested in AMB Value Trust fund just now at UOB the charges is 3% and i checked in fundsupermart it says

Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge  2 %
Annual Management Charge                          1.5 %

Can someone please explain to me the diffrence? Looks like funds charges is 1% lesser thn UOB but wats annual management charges? Does UOB also charge management fees?

Thanks  notworthy.gif
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Different is that you're facing 1% more on the sales charge compared to UOB.

Annual Management Charge is transparent to you and is deductible on daily basis in daily NAV pricing. It's part of the MER, the lower the better.
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QUOTE(makavelli @ Aug 7 2013, 06:38 PM)
I invested in AMB Value Trust fund just now at UOB the charges is 3% and i checked in fundsupermart it says

Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge  2 %
Annual Management Charge                          1.5 %

Can someone please explain to me the diffrence? Looks like funds charges is 1% lesser thn UOB but wats annual management charges? Does UOB also charge management fees?

Thanks  notworthy.gif
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What David83 is tellling you is that you are paying 1% more at UOB than at FSM.
for more detailed explanation of mgmt fees & etc,....pls read the 1st post at the 1st page....
it has links that can help you can find alot of info there.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 7 2013, 06:44 PM)
Different is that you're facing 1% more on the sales charge compared to UOB.

Annual Management Charge is transparent to you and is deductible on daily basis in daily NAV pricing. It's part of the MER, the lower the better.
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Hmm UOB do offer better rates compared to public.. 1% sounds fair.. Thanks for the info bro icon_rolleyes.gif

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mad.gif  mad.gif
World stocks down, Fed official flags stimulus end
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...us-end-20130807 
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif time to go bargain hunting....
oops.gif  got any bullets left  to hunt later, if go in for the latest promo at the end of this month?
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Alamak, no more big bullets lei
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Alamak, no more big bullets lei
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Hmm UOB do offer better rates compared to public.. 1% sounds fair.. Thanks for the info bro  icon_rolleyes.gif
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FINALLY....
now.. if they would just rip the bloody bandage off, rather than wussying around peeling bit by bit.. vmad.gif
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Where you get that from? The magazine?
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World stocks down, Fed official flags stimulus end
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...us-end-20130807 
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif time to go bargain hunting....
oops.gif  got any bullets left  to hunt later, if go in for the latest promo at the end of this month?
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Today Asian markets up wor..
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But NIKKEI in RED.
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Haha.. Holiday you also look at market ar?!

Today quiet here....
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Did a brief study on AGEF. USA 12%, UK 3%, Japan 13%. Is there a global fund that focus more on USA, UK, Europe market that you all invest in?

Hell no I'm investing in a fund that invest so high in Nikkei market.
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Did a brief study on AGEF. USA 12%, UK 3%, Japan 13%. Is there a global fund that focus more on USA, UK, Europe market that you all invest in?

Hell no I'm investing in a fund that invest so high in Nikkei market.
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Why u all no like my lover OSK-UOB GEYF sad.gif
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Maybe 2/3 exposure in Asia
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That's AGEF lar, I'm talkin bout OSK-UOB GEYF, almost 90% in developed markets lar doh.gif
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Is AMB Value Trust  or Dividend..under Fundsupermart? so their SC rate is 2%?
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thanks...under website FSM, have portfolio and listing of UT/bond bought....

i) any link to or how to set up?
ii) if purchase these UT by MBB or other means (other than FSM), under this website...can show my purchase UT?
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for (ii) no unless you transfer in the unit to FSM.....how? refer to (i)

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That's AGEF lar, I'm talkin bout OSK-UOB GEYF, almost 90% in developed markets lar doh.gif
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1st...the Ponzi fund, 40% IRR biggrin.gif

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It's the 2nd best performer in my portfolio at 13% IRR thumbup.gif

1st...the Ponzi fund, 40% IRR biggrin.gif
Unker Looi very helpful lately rclxms.gif
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When u start ur investment in these 2 funds? Top up monthly?
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When u start ur investment in these 2 funds? Top up monthly?
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Both also buy on dips wink.gif
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GEYF portfolio allocation suits what I want. But not under the promo SC fund right?
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GEYF portfolio allocation suits what I want. But not under the promo SC fund right?
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No, it's not a FSM Recommended Fund.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 8 2013, 05:25 PM)
Pink, do share your view further on this fund throughout your years of investing in it. Personally AGEF is not for me due to the high exposure in Japan market. GEYF has too high in US market, but I guess I have to compromise a little (I can invest little in it).
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Then, what u want??? rclxub.gif

GEYF has about 1/3 in Europe, 50% in US, personally I feel that it's balanced/diversified enough.

It's my favourite global fund, focus on stable, cash-generative businesses, need I say more? wink.gif
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AGEF. USA 12%, UK 3%, Japan 13%
my thinking is, what is the 13% in terms of the total value in the portfolio.
ex, if invested in AGEF for RM5000...the Jpn exposure is (Rm 5000 x 13%) = RM 650 for this fund.
if the worst were to happens in Jpn and this 13% got wiped out...how much $$ will it be affected in the portfolio....
it is always good to have some in Jpn and US....some of the best and BIG global companies are from there!!

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AGEF. USA 12%, UK 3%, Japan 13%
my thinking is, what is the 13% in terms of the total value in the portfolio. if the worst were to happens in Jpn and this 13% got wiped out...how much $$ will it be affected in the portfolio....
it is always good to have some in Jpn and US....some of the best and BIG global companies are from there!!
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Wooi, u steal my line! tongue.gif
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Sad la, this month broke and can't top up my UT
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Haha.. Holiday you also look at market ar?!

Today quiet here....
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U guys monitor mutual funds like monitoring stocks.
I tot for fund investment u only monitor it every quarterly?
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U guys monitor mutual funds like monitoring stocks.
I tot for fund investment u only monitor it every quarterly?
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I dunno about the others, as for myself, I monitor the market looking for the occasional dips to top up.

And we "monitor" just for the sake of discussion and to keep each other company, for DIY investing can get a bit "lonely" at times. blush.gif
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I monitor for "dip" opportunities. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 8 2013, 05:25 PM)
Pink, do share your view further on this fund throughout your years of investing in it. Personally AGEF is not for me due to the high exposure in Japan market. GEYF has too high in US market, but I guess I have to compromise a little (I can invest little in it).
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So have you decide yet which global fund to buy ?
AGEF got promo till before National Day.

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What u did this month sampai broke, Kaka bro? brows.gif
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U guys monitor mutual funds like monitoring stocks.
I tot for fund investment u only monitor it every quarterly?
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Like the others said, just for the sale of having discussion here to keep the enthusiasm going. If not too boring.


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Like the others said, just for the sale of having discussion here to keep the enthusiasm going. If not too boring.
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IMHO - Investments are best boring.. unlike fast cars & hot women tongue.gif
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Hmmm... Discussion for the sake of discussion....just to kill time in order not to feel lonely?
I rather invest in other asset, like prop, no need to check market every week, i can sleep well and awake after 2 years, that is just me...don't shoot me

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 8 2013, 10:41 PM)
Hmmm... Discussion for the sake of discussion....just to kill time in order not to feel lonely?
I rather invest in other asset, like prop, no need to check market every week, i can sleep well and awake after 2 years, that is just me...don't shoot me
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hmm.gif u are right for the 1st part. but I think you will need to monitor some items too like,
the crime rate in the area,
the type of people building up to live in the area,
any new property development coming up in the area that could be + or - impact
and many things else....
else one might say "OMG what happened to my properties in just 2 years while I slept". ha-ha icon_rolleyes.gif tongue.gif
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IMHO - Investments are best boring.. unlike fast cars & hot women tongue.gif
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Investing boring? Good, you're doing it right
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing...ight-2013-05-02
......the most effective long-term investments are the most boring — low-volatility stocks and indexes, sleepy collections of bonds and portfolios that don't change for months.....Break out some play money in a small account if you feel the need to get your blood pressure up. Or put your brain to better use by taking up a new sport or pastime instead.
Any sifu know where? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 8 2013, 05:35 PM)
AGEF. USA 12%, UK 3%, Japan 13%
my thinking is, what is the 13% in terms of the total value in the portfolio.
ex, if invested in AGEF for RM5000...the Jpn exposure is (Rm 5000 x 13%) = RM 650 for this fund.
if the worst were to happens in Jpn and this 13% got wiped out...how much $$ will it be affected in the portfolio....
it is always good to have some in Jpn and US....some of the best and BIG global companies are from there!!
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I rather have more exposure in US then smile.gif
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I rather have more exposure in US then smile.gif
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pink's favorite OSK-UOB GEYF @49% US then?
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For global it's either AGEF/GEYF or the Aberdeen Kaka mentioned a few pages back.

I think there will be a hiccup in the US market for the new few weeks. Trying to find the best time to enter.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 9 2013, 09:01 AM)
For global it's either AGEF/GEYF or the Aberdeen Kaka mentioned a few pages back.

I think there will be a hiccup in the US market for the new few weeks. Trying to find the best time to enter.
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hmm.gif I guess, there will always be "hiccups" in the US and so are the rest of the world......there are monthly economic data coming from US and China and (Europe too) and they are scheduled not far apart....and now the much anticipated "tapering".....then later I guess they will news the amount of taper effect....then later the positive / negative sign of taper off and so on and on......I think they are there to "move" the markets.
so I guess there will NEVER be a "Best" time to enter
just like David83 said yesterday, "monitor for "dip" opportunities". whistling.gif

my current dilemma is to whether to enter for this 1%sc or wait for after the announcement of start of "tapering".....cos the start is actually good, it is only the possible negative reaction....and this reaction maybe even more than the 1%Sc. but the "hints' of tapering in 22 May may already taken some of that risk away.....what if there is no dip opportunity then....or worst may hv missed the boat too.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif may well just hv to toss the coin before the end of this promotion then.

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For full US exposure, you may want to consider RHB-GS US Equity.

ABERDEEN ISLAMIC WORLD EQUITY FUND - CLASS A has 17.6% in US market.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 9 2013, 09:33 AM)
For full US exposure, you may want to consider RHB-GS US Equity.

ABERDEEN ISLAMIC WORLD EQUITY FUND - CLASS A has 17.6% in US market.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 9 2013, 08:17 AM)
Investing boring? Good, you're doing it right
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing...ight-2013-05-02
......the most effective long-term investments are the most boring — low-volatility stocks and indexes, sleepy collections of bonds and portfolios that don't change for months.....Break out some play money in a small account if you feel the need to get your blood pressure up. Or put your brain to better use by taking up a new sport or pastime instead.
Any sifu know where? brows.gif  brows.gif
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Where?
U mean past time? Puchong & Sunway Mentari plenty - Pink's the expert tongue.gif

ok ok back to the topic, else moderators nuke me sweat.gif
Anyone here ball-sy enough to go gung-ho and buy/sell to hit a planned Asset Allocation just like that <snaps fingers>?
ie.
say from holding 80% of bonds/cash VS 20% equities,
then just buying/spending down bonds/cash
to hit 30% bonds/cash VS 70% equities?

Personally, my nuts aint made of steel, thus i just whittle-down / re-allocate towards my targeted % within 6 months (if my held % is off by 25% of planned)
ie. plan 6 mths to execute extra purchases/SWITCHING on top of my quarterly die-die value averaging + dollar averaging
Then after the 6 mhs, review again and see how much more if it is still off by 25%

Just thinking any better ways yet not balls-to-the-wall gungho oneshot rebalance? notworthy.gif
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hmm.gif I guess, there will always be "hiccups" in the US and so are the rest of the world......there are monthly economic data coming from US and China and (Europe too) and they are scheduled not far apart....and now the much anticipated "tapering".....then later I guess they will news the amount of taper effect....then later the positive / negative sign of taper off and so on and on......I think they are there to "move" the markets.
so I guess there will NEVER be a "Best" time to enter
just like David83 said yesterday, "monitor for "dip" opportunities".  whistling.gif

my current dilemma is to whether to enter for this 1%sc or wait for after the announcement of start of "tapering".....cos the start is actually good, it is only the possible negative reaction....and this reaction maybe even more than the 1%Sc. but the "hints' of tapering in 22 May may already taken some of that risk away.....what if there is no dip opportunity then....or worst may hv missed the boat too.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif may well just hv to toss the coin before the end of this promotion then.
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Pardon for the wrong use of word - 'best'. I should use opportunity.

I have the same dilemma as you when I wanted to buy AGEF due to the SC. Probably gonna enter the day the tapering news release in Sept.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2013, 10:02 AM)
Where?
U mean past time? Puchong & Sunway Mentari plenty - Pink's the expert tongue.gif

ok ok back to the topic, else moderators nuke me sweat.gif
Anyone here ball-sy enough to go gung-ho and buy/sell to hit a planned Asset Allocation just like that <snaps fingers>?
ie.
say from holding 80% of bonds/cash VS 20% equities,
then just buying/spending down bonds/cash
to hit 30% bonds/cash VS 70% equities?

Personally, my nuts aint made of steel, thus i just whittle-down / re-allocate towards my targeted % within 6 months (if my held % is off by 25% of planned)
ie. plan 6 mths to execute extra purchases/SWITCHING on top of my quarterly die-die value averaging + dollar averaging
Then after the 6 mhs, review again and see how much more if it is still off by 25%

Just thinking any better ways yet not balls-to-the-wall gungho oneshot rebalance?  notworthy.gif
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Hmmm... Discussion for the sake of discussion....just to kill time in order not to feel lonely?
I rather invest in other asset, like prop, no need to check market every week, i can sleep well and awake after 2 years, that is just me...don't shoot me
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Do you not rent out your property? If you do, managing renters can be just as troublesome. Confrontations over slow payment or unpaid rent, property damage, snowballing utilities bills, negotiations over rental rate increases, maybe worrying about tenants sub-renting rooms to others you don't know etc.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 9 2013, 08:17 AM)
Investing boring? Good, you're doing it right
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing...ight-2013-05-02
......the most effective long-term investments are the most boring — low-volatility stocks and indexes, sleepy collections of bonds and portfolios that don't change for months.....Break out some play money in a small account if you feel the need to get your blood pressure up. Or put your brain to better use by taking up a new sport or pastime instead.
Any sifu know where? brows.gif  brows.gif
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I shall achieve my above objective by CNY-2014. Then it is play time baby, play time.

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Do you not rent out your property? If you do, managing renters can be just as troublesome. Confrontations over slow payment or unpaid rent, property damage, snowballing utilities bills, negotiations over rental rate increases, maybe worrying about tenants sub-renting rooms to others you don't know etc.
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All the above listed can be solved by signing a agreement with the person you rent your property to. U dont need a lawyer, juz Rm15 for the stamp.

The only downside about property investment is that u need bigger capital compare to UT. Well u can start UT as low as rm500, but as of property if u dont have rm50k then dont even think about it, and with that u still need to calculate for bank interest to see whether your investment is worth of all the bank interest u are paying
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Anyone here ball-sy enough to go gung-ho and buy/sell to hit a planned Asset Allocation just like that <snaps fingers>?
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say from holding 80% of bonds/cash VS 20% equities,
then just buying/spending down bonds/cash
to hit 30% bonds/cash VS 70% equities?

Personally, my nuts aint made of steel, thus i just whittle-down / re-allocate towards my targeted % within 6 months (if my held % is off by 25% of planned)
ie. plan 6 mths to execute extra purchases/SWITCHING on top of my quarterly die-die value averaging + dollar averaging
Then after the 6 mhs, review again and see how much more if it is still off by 25%

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I just dun like RHB...dun know why though...maybe it is jus the name..hv to psyco my mind to focus on diversification instead of "likes" for a while
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hmm.gif u are right for the 1st part. but I think you will need to monitor some items too like,
the crime rate in the area,
the type of people building up to live in the area,
any new property development coming up in the area that could be + or - impact
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else one might say "OMG what happened to my properties in just 2 years while I slept". ha-ha  icon_rolleyes.gif  tongue.gif
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i am referring to the property under construction purchased from developer.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 02:08 PM)
i am referring to the property under construction purchased from developer.
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some of the concerns mentioned also applies to new project under construction, + possible interest rate hike + http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/devel...lawless-country

what I am saying is should not leave any investment unattended for 2 years,...because it is your money. nod.gif

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All the above listed can be solved by signing a agreement with the person you rent your property to. U dont need a lawyer, juz Rm15 for the stamp.
Contracts can't help you if you get a bad tenant. Maybe you've always had good luck and have good tenants, I have experience with bad tenants before. Even though the tenants were arranged through real estate agents and have signed contracts, it doesn't really help you if they won't pay up, won't pay on time or cause problems. Sometimes even if you have decided to evict them and want to cut your loss, it can be difficult. What can you do? Call the police? Sue them? Like I said, very troublesome.

I can cite many examples. A friend's house rented out to a business owner through a real estate agent. Ended up not paying a single month's rent after paying for initial deposit. Went to the office to complain many times, business owner even wrote postdated cheques that bounced, ended up running way with six months rent in arrears. One house rented out to a company, they ended up filling it with many illegal immigrant workers, caused many problems and complaints from neighbours etc. My father in law has a shop office that keeps changing tenants. A new tenant comes in, rents for 4 to 6 months, the business fails and then runs away. He keeps complaining that the real estate agent earns more from the property than he does.

Yes, these problems can be solved but they take time and effort. I only mean to say that it is not true that the only downside of property investment is that it needs more initial capital. All types of investments have different risks, effort involved etc. This is why these days I prefer to invest in REITs and unit trust funds. Less troublesome, no need to constantly follow up on tenants, trouble with maintenance and utilities, etc. Note: I currently have three properties rented out: a condo, a low-cost flat and a house in Shah Alam. But my investments in stocks either directly or through unit trust funds still exceed the value of my property investments.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 9 2013, 10:48 AM)
Do you not rent out your property? If you do, managing renters can be just as troublesome. Confrontations over slow payment or unpaid rent, property damage, snowballing utilities bills, negotiations over rental rate increases, maybe worrying about tenants sub-renting rooms to others you don't know etc.
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what I mentioned is invest in the property for capital gain....
All the above that u mentioned in rental property are manageable.

I have vested in Mutual funds for > 10 years. In average I would say, Mutual fund returns are not that attractive compared to my property portfolios.

I started to invest in Public Mutual since year 2000, became Mutual Gold member in 2005, and then to Mutual Gold Elite.
I started to invest thru Fundsupermart in 2006, by opening an account in their Hong Kong branch when FSM hasn't been opened its branch in Malaysia.

This is just my personal experience.


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......In average I would say, Mutual fund returns are not that attractive compared to my property portfolios.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 9 2013, 02:54 PM)
some of the concerns mentioned also applies to new project under construction, + possible interest rate hike + http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/devel...lawless-country

what I am saying is should not leave any investment unattended for 2 years,...because it is your money. nod.gif
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I have 13 years investment experience in Mutual fund and I compare both property and investment and I can concluded that Mutual fund long run can't make much, mutual fund companies make money first and historical proven they make more than the investors in long run.
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Yes I know...
I have 13 years investment experience in Mutual fund and I compare both property and investment and I can concluded that Mutual fund long run can't make much, mutual fund companies make money first and historical proven they make more than the investors in long run.
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Yes, these problems can be solved but they take time and effort. I only mean to say that it is not true that the only downside of property investment is that it needs more initial capital. All types of investments have different risks, effort involved etc. This is why these days I prefer to invest in REITs and unit trust funds. Less troublesome, no need to constantly follow up on tenants, trouble with maintenance and utilities, etc. Note: I currently have three properties rented out: a condo, a low-cost flat and a house in Shah Alam. But my investments in stocks either directly or through unit trust funds still exceed the value of my property investments.
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The BOLD one I agree...u can start from small value property, say RM100K property, pay 10% and rent it out or etc.
Once u make, then increase the investment value of property to RM200K.
The beautiful of prop investment is leveraging, u just need to pay deposits and the bank will loan u the different...
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The BOLD one I agree...u can start from small value property, say RM100K property, pay 10% and rent it out or etc.
Once u make, then increase the investment value of property to RM200K.
The beautiful of prop investment is leveraging, u just need to pay deposits and the bank will loan u the different...
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what is yr idea on residential property of let say higher than RM 400, 000? what is the rental yield? can it cover the loan repayment?
else the appreciation is the only chance of going up the higher value property....should one go up the value property or buy more unit of lower cost?

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what is yr idea on residential property of let say higher than RM 400, 000? what is the rental yield? can it cover the loan repayment?
else the appreciation is the only chance of going up the higher value property....should one go up the value property or buy more unit of lower cost?
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what did you guys do to your funds during the 2008 economy downturn ? Sell off your fund , average down or just hang in there? anyone think the next downturn is coming soon?

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Not to make things complicated here, since this thread is about FSM and about Mutual Funds investment, we shall not talk Property investment in details here.

What I felt is that if u want to monitor the stocks/ index movement every day, need to wake up in the midnight to monitor the down jones index, might as well u invest in stocks direct. Cheaper and have better control. Just take the annual report of the Mutual fund and follow the fund allocation for each stocks will do.

If u choose to invest in mutual funds, monitoring once a month will is making sense (if u are employed u get your pay cheque once a month anyway, thus can decide whether to top up or sell it with extra cash on hand each month), or monitor every quarterly is good enough.

Mutual Fund investors don't have to be over-reacted to any announcements, news and etc. You have paid the annual fees to the fund manager to do so for you.
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what did you guys do to your funds during the 2008 economy downturn ? Sell off your fund , average down or just hang in there? anyone think the next downturn is coming soon?
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1) cycle of income (ranging from just start work or ending retirement)
2) staying power
3) how long had he been in the investment
4) experience on mkt fluctuation
5) risk profile of individuals
any many other personal triad

but I would suggest average down (priority on funds that focused on food cos people need food during recession though).....if cash is available....

hmm.gif when is the next downturn? sorry, have no crystal ball, but here is 1 interesting news, if you want to believe though: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economi...ding-plans.html

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Not to make things complicated here, since this thread is about FSM and about Mutual Funds investment, we shall not talk Property investment in details here. OK

What I felt is that if u want to monitor the stocks/ index movement every day, need to wake up in the midnight to monitor the down jones index, might as well u invest in stocks direct. Cheaper and have better control. YES, it is true
Just take the annual report of the Mutual fund and follow the fund allocation for each stocks will do. No cannot do...does not have so much money-leh
If u choose to invest in mutual funds, monitoring once a month will is making sense (if u are employed u get your pay cheque once a month anyway, thus can decide whether to top up or sell it with extra cash on hand each month), YES or monitor every quarterly is good enough. YES/NO, depends on the amount invested and other non tangible things

Mutual Fund investors don't have to be over-reacted to any announcements, news and etc. You have paid the annual fees to the fund manager to do so for you. YES, don't have to be over-reacted but for me I would have to monitor the duration of the effect of the news
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understand that the reasons and fundamentals for buying into that investment has not changed, then all that Is left to do is to be patient. It may not make for much excitement in the short term,.....
It is usually better to take at least a two to three year view because sometimes, a short term event may happen that could easily throw markets off track temporarily. The slightly longer term nature of unit trust investing also means that unlike stocks, you may not get the satisfaction of seeing your investment bear fruit immediately.....
Sometimes, investing is not just about the investments that made you money; it is also about avoiding the investments that would have lost you money as well......
add more during or after a market crash or correction as opposed to during a bull run...
the above are excerpts from the blog of Wong Sui Jau -- General Manager, Fundsupermart, S'pore
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20130729
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Contracts can't help you if you get a bad tenant. Maybe you've always had good luck and have good tenants, I have experience with bad tenants before. Even though the tenants were arranged through real estate agents and have signed contracts, it doesn't really help you if they won't pay up, won't pay on time or cause problems. Sometimes even if you have decided to evict them and want to cut your loss, it can be difficult. What can you do? Call the police? Sue them? Like I said, very troublesome.

I can cite many examples. A friend's house rented out to a business owner through a real estate agent. Ended up not paying a single month's rent after paying for initial deposit. Went to the office to complain many times, business owner even wrote postdated cheques that bounced, ended up running way with six months rent in arrears. One house rented out to a company, they ended up filling it with many illegal immigrant workers, caused many problems and complaints from neighbours etc. My father in law has a shop office that keeps changing tenants. A new tenant comes in, rents for 4 to 6 months, the business fails and then runs away. He keeps complaining that the real estate agent earns more from the property than he does.

Yes, these problems can be solved but they take time and effort. I only mean to say that it is not true that the only downside of property investment is that it needs more initial capital. All types of investments have different risks, effort involved etc. This is why these days I prefer to invest in REITs and unit trust funds. Less troublesome, no need to constantly follow up on tenants, trouble with maintenance and utilities, etc. Note: I currently have three properties rented out: a condo, a low-cost flat and a house in Shah Alam. But my investments in stocks either directly or through unit trust funds still exceed the value of my property investments.
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I have vested in Mutual funds for > 10 years. In average I would say, Mutual fund returns are not that attractive compared to my property portfolios.

I started to invest in Public Mutual since year 2000, became Mutual Gold member in 2005, and then to Mutual Gold Elite.
I started to invest thru Fundsupermart in 2006, by opening an account in their Hong Kong branch when FSM hasn't been opened its branch in Malaysia.

This is just my personal experience.
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If you know what you are doing and is prepared to put effort into any avenue of investment/trading, whether it be stocks, options, commodities, forex or anything you are knowledgeable in, there is a very good chance you will beat mutual funds.

Properties need time, effort, knowledge, timing, access to locality, good luck, and lots of patience. Especially patience. Plus dealing with difficult tenants. There aren't any above average investment that don't require effort, and is readily available to the general public, AFAIK.

If properties are more attractive, why put money in Public Mutual?. Not to mention PM returns are quite mediocre compared to other Fund managers.




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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 9 2013, 06:50 PM)
If you know what you are doing and is prepared to put effort into any avenue of investment/trading, whether it be stocks, options, commodities, forex or anything you are knowledgeable in, there is a very good chance you will beat mutual funds.

Properties need time, effort, knowledge, timing, access to locality, good luck, and lots of patience. Especially patience. Plus dealing with difficult tenants. There aren't any above average investment that don't require effort, and is readily available to the general public, AFAIK.

If properties are more attractive, why put money in Public Mutual?. Not to mention PM returns are quite mediocre compared to other Fund managers.
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sorry howzat, I think maybe he started with PM then over the years got into property than realized that property has better ROI or maybe both at the same time more or less, I guess.

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sorry howzat, I think maybe he started with PM then over the years got into property than realized that property has better ROI or maybe both at the same time more or less, I guess.
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U got me right.
I can't say for all. My experience dealing with property and mutual funds, the earlier gave me better return.
I made more in property not just because of luck, a lot of hard work though.
As I said earlier, the rich in the world has 2 things in common, they either make their fortune from real estate, or they keep their wealth in the form of real estate. There is no exception.

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U got me right.
I can't say for all. My experience dealing with property and mutual funds, the earlier gave me better return.
I made more in property not just because of luck, a lot of hard work though.
As I said earlier, the rich in the world has 2 things in common, they either make their fortune from real estate, or they keep their wealth in the form of real estate.  There is no exception.
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Yes, no shortcuts. To make money in properties, work is required.

Properties is one of those vehicles that make people rich, but it is hardly exclusive. There are plenty of others whose wealth don't involve properties, exceptions like Buffet and Gates.


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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 9 2013, 08:17 PM)
Yes, no shortcuts. To make money in properties, work is required.

Properties is one of those vehicles that make people rich, but it is hardly exclusive. There are plenty of others whose wealth don't involve properties, exceptions like Buffet and Gates.
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Do u know how many properties Buffet and Bills Gates own to conclude that?

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Do u know how many properties Buffet and Bills Gates own to conclude that?
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Same question for you - you said "There is no exception." How do you know?

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Gates made his money from a software company called Microsoft. Buffet invests in a wide range of companies, eg like Coca-Cola, Goldman Sachs. I'm sure they own some properties, but is that what they make their fortunes from?





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I feel tempted to lend a word or two into this argument:

Traditionally, stocks mean ownership of a company. Only wealthy ppl and/or ppl with excess wealth would purchase stocks, to own a certain % of a company and to participate in its profits and decision-making. Hence, if stock prices went up, it's bcos ppl are willing to pay more to own it. If u can't afford it, then don't buy, u won't die/suffer without owning stocks.

Whereas for properties ESPECIALLY residential properties, the original intention/purpose of residential properties is to provide a shelter to ppl. But greedy ppl went to speculate and push up property prices, causing ppl who need a house to pay more. Don't u property investors believe in karma?

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We are here with the intention to share info and make money. So chill guys.

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At the end of the day, each has their favorite investment tool. There is no best tool

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MK Land Holdings Bhd will build more affordable housing next year to counter the potential recession, its chairman Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal Abu Bakar said. http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

what do you see sifus? where/what asset to focus?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2013, 09:04 PM)
I feel tempted to lend a word or two into this argument:

Traditionally, stocks mean ownership of a company. Only wealthy ppl and/or ppl with excess wealth would purchase stocks, to own a certain % of a company and to participate in its profits and decision-making. Hence, if stock prices went up, it's bcos ppl are willing to pay more to own it. If u can't afford it, then don't buy, u won't die/suffer without owning stocks.

Whereas for properties ESPECIALLY residential properties, the original intention/purpose of residential properties is to provide a shelter to ppl. But greedy ppl went to speculate and push up property prices, causing ppl who need a house to pay more. Don't u property investors believe in karma?
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I just merely shared my personal experience.
I said I vested in mutual funds for 13 years, my conclusion based on my experience is my other investment give me better return. I m not here to inviting debate. You can share your experience as well to prove the otherwise.

About karma thingy, a lot of ppl speculate on stocks also especially fund managers. Not only property, gold, petrol, commodity like rice, garlic also open for speculation, so we can't say karma. If u want good karma then better put money under the pillow.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 11:20 PM)
I just merely shared my personal experience.
I said I vested in mutual funds for 13 years, my conclusion based on my experience is my other investment give me better return. I m not here to inviting debate. You can share your experience as well to prove the otherwise.

About karma thingy, a lot of ppl speculate on stocks also especially fund managers. Not only property, gold, petrol, commodity like rice, garlic also open for speculation, so we can't say karma. If u want good karma then better put money under the pillow.
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Hi Cheah, I am not to enter the debate, but want to ask ur experience on mutual funds. Along 13 years, how is ur investment strategics? Do u lower or exit the equity fund during downturn? As I learn from some book, if u put ur money in UT without "touching" it all the way, ur profit will be very minimal. It is just like a cycle of earning, lose out the earning, earning, lose out the earning and end up with minimal profit or even no profit.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 10 2013, 10:29 AM)
Yarlor semua pun boleh invest:

Gundam sets, Transformer First Edition sets, Rolex vintage, Pu-Er tea, Playboy Vol 1 (oops) and X-men series comics....

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Play hobby and make money at the same time ? thumbup.gif

But for me it didn't work. I think unless you are filthy rich which has money for those limited edition watches, vintage cars or fine arts (in the tune of hundreds of thousand up to millions), then it is very difficult to make money as an investment

I have some Patek and Rolex. Only if you compare to the retail price then you "think" you made good investment. If really want to sell, the price is very different. Maybe price increase 200% over 30 years ? My wife has some diamonds. Although diamond price increased double for the past 10-12 years, but it is very troublesome to sell. If we put in FD and earn compound interest, we can also double the money in 20 years and triple in 30 years.

So, I treat hobby as purely hobby only and don't expect returns. So I feel better buying stuff that I like laugh.gif
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Aug 10 2013, 09:01 AM)
Hi Cheah, I am not to enter the debate, but want to ask ur experience on mutual funds. Along 13 years, how is ur investment strategics? Do u lower or exit the equity fund during downturn? As I learn from some book, if u put ur money in UT without "touching" it all the way, ur profit will be very minimal. It is just like a cycle of earning, lose out the earning, earning, lose out the earning and end up with minimal profit or even no profit.
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I monitored the funds monthly/ quarterly and switch in between bond and equity funds. As a public mutual gold member, I enjoyed 12 free switchings per year, also for FSM- HK, they also offer unlimited switchings as well.
I would say for the last most active 10 years, I made around 8% p.a. in average only. Not outperform my other investment.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 9 2013, 08:45 PM)
Same question for you - you said "There is no exception." How do you know?

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Gates made his money from a software company called Microsoft. Buffet invests in a wide range of companies, eg like Coca-Cola, Goldman Sachs. I'm sure they own some properties, but is that what they make their fortunes from?
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If u check my previous statement I did mention that the rich either made their fortune from real estate or KEEP their wealth in the form of REAL ESTATE. The 2 tycoons u mentioned keeps their wealth in the form of real estates. They own office buildings, houses, blocks of condos, hotels and resorts, land, private jets directly or indirectly. That is why I said no exceptions.

Even MNC like Mc Donald, if u study their annual reports, they do not make much from their franchise fast food biz, main chunk of their profits are from real estates capital gain, they own most of the restaurants they have worldwide. And investment Guru like Buffet has exposure to Mc D' blue chip stocks and also other REITS stocks.
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well, this is post of UT , in order to hit 2 birds with a stone, invest am REITS = real estate + UT , LOL, life tortures us everyday , why torture people and urself somemore........
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 10 2013, 12:59 PM)
I monitored the funds monthly/ quarterly and switch in between bond and equity funds. As a public mutual gold member, I enjoyed 12 free switchings per year, also for FSM- HK, they also offer unlimited switchings as well.
I would say for the last most active 10 years, I made around 8% p.a. in average only. Not outperform my other investment.
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What is ur profit for other investment? 8% p.a. is quite good for UT investment.
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What is ur profit for other investment? 8% p.a. is quite good for UT investment.
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If u check my previous statement I did mention that the rich either made their fortune from real estate or KEEP their wealth in the form of REAL ESTATE. The 2 tycoons u mentioned keeps their wealth in the form of real estates. They own office buildings, houses, blocks of condos, hotels and resorts, land, private jets directly or indirectly. That is why I said no exceptions.

Even MNC like Mc Donald, if u study their annual reports, they do not make much from their franchise fast food biz, main chunk of their profits are from real estates capital gain, they own most of the restaurants they have worldwide. And investment Guru like Buffet has exposure to Mc D' blue chip stocks and also other REITS stocks.
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nod.gif Agreed. Property Investment yield much better than UT no doubt, but then property price tag doesn't come cheap, UT is affordable to most of this thread follower.

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Aug 10 2013, 08:24 PM)
nod.gif Agreed. Property Investment yield much better than UT no doubt, but then property price tag doesn't come cheap, UT is affordable to most of this thread follower.
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As I said start from small investment. If u can't afford a RM100k property with 10% deposit, JV with the family members or friends. Pool some funds from others and invest together. U don't hv to buy a million ringgit property for a start.
Or invest direct in REITS, the cost to invest and maintain it is lower with proven/ consistent track records. This is the cheaper way to "own" properties.
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I feel tempted to lend a word or two into this argument:

Traditionally, stocks mean ownership of a company. Only wealthy ppl and/or ppl with excess wealth would purchase stocks, to own a certain % of a company and to participate in its profits and decision-making. Hence, if stock prices went up, it's bcos ppl are willing to pay more to own it. If u can't afford it, then don't buy, u won't die/suffer without owning stocks.

Whereas for properties ESPECIALLY residential properties, the original intention/purpose of residential properties is to provide a shelter to ppl. But greedy ppl went to speculate and push up property prices, causing ppl who need a house to pay more. Don't u property investors believe in karma?
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I think people went into property for investment because there are some hole within the system.

Property developer tend to cover the interest for you until your unit is fully built. Usually the property took around 2-3 years to completed its construction and during this period of time no interest charge on you. Investor can easily foresee the price of property in penang, kl and iskandar area. So in other words with small capital only and borrow a huge amount of loan, they can easily getting a big earning in it. Imagine with RM50k capital and RM350k loan from bank, they can earned up to rm400k within 3-4 years. Bank Negara already looking into this "hole"

I read an article not too long ago, this investment is actually having lower risk compare to stock market or UT...

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I think people went into property for investment because there are some hole within the system.

Property developer tend to cover the interest for you until your unit is fully built. Usually the property took around 2-3 years to completed its construction and during this period of time no interest charge on you. Investor can easily foresee the price of property in penang, kl and iskandar area. So in other words with small capital only and borrow a huge amount of loan, they can easily getting a big earning in it. Imagine with RM50k capital and RM350k loan from bank, they can earned up to rm400k within 3-4 years. Bank Negara already looking into this "hole"

I read an article not too long ago, this investment is actually having lower risk compare to stock market or UT...
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 10 2013, 08:49 PM)
As I said start from small investment. If u can't afford a RM100k property with 10% deposit, JV with the family members or friends. Pool some funds from others and invest together. U don't hv to buy a million ringgit property for a start.
Or invest direct in REITS, the cost to invest and maintain it  is lower with proven/ consistent track records. This is the cheaper way to "own" properties.
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I agree property return is higher. But it comes back to the simple and trusted formula - high risk high return. Property unless you buy it for cash, otherwise there is always a liability on the opposite side of the asset. If something wrong happens, then you lose everything. It is possible to get into bankruptcy at the worse case scenario

Whereas UT you use cold hard cash to buy. There is no liability. The worse case is you lose 100% of the money.

It is not fair to compare UT vs property because of the difference in risk profile. Although I prefer property over other investment tools, but I still keep some UT to diversify
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 10 2013, 02:35 PM)
If u check my previous statement I did mention that the rich either made their fortune from real estate or KEEP their wealth in the form of REAL ESTATE. The 2 tycoons u mentioned keeps their wealth in the form of real estates. They own office buildings, houses, blocks of condos, hotels and resorts, land, private jets directly or indirectly. That is why I said no exceptions.
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Keep their wealth in real estate? Or keep MOST/MAJORITY of their wealth in real estate?

As I mentioned, Gates started with software and has now diversified across a range of companies, many of them IT/technology related. Buffet's holdings include a range of companies, many of them are banking/financial related. Most of these holdings are not real-estate related.

But if you mean it in a general sense (without the word MOST/MAJORITY), then of course, rich people tend to have lot of properties.


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But if you mean it in a general sense (without the word MOST/MAJORITY), then of course, rich people tend to have lot of properties.
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Exactly...Rich people tends to own lots of properties.
I did not study how much % they keep their wealth in real estate, as the rich have never officially declare how they allocate their wealth.

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 10 2013, 10:36 PM)
I agree property return is higher. But it comes back to the simple and trusted formula - high risk high return. Property unless you buy it for cash, otherwise there is always a liability on the opposite side of the asset. If something wrong happens, then you lose everything. It is possible to get into bankruptcy at the worse case scenario
Whereas UT you use cold hard cash to buy. There is no liability. The worse case is you lose 100% of the money.
It is not fair to compare UT vs property because of the difference in risk profile. Although I prefer property over other investment tools, but I still keep some UT to diversify
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You can also leverage to invest in UT. Some banks offer loan to invest in Unit trust/ Mutual Funds.
You can also buy property in cash.

Let me emphasize again. I am not comparing UT and Property investment.

I just shared my personal experience that my UT investment return merely 8% p.a. in average, and I am not satisfy with it as other investment give me better returns.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:08 AM)
You can also leverage to invest in UT. Some banks offer loan to invest in Unit trust/ Mutual Funds.
You can also buy property in cash.

Let me emphasize again. I am not comparing UT and Property investment.

I just shared my personal experience that my UT investment return merely 8% p.a. in average, and I am not satisfy with it as other investment give me better returns.
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Which bank give credit line to invest in unit trust ? Those ASB and AS1M ? If I want to invest in PM or FSM using loan, can recommend some banks ?

We should actually compare apple to apple. If you buy property using cash, then compare to you buy UT using cash. If you use cash to buy property, then your return in % will be reduced substantially

If you can get more returns for higher risk products, by all means invest in it. I am happy if my UT is giving me 8% on average. I think it is already damn good

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:08 AM)
You can also leverage to invest in UT. Some banks offer loan to invest in Unit trust/ Mutual Funds.
Got meh? fast fast tell me lar... I want oso wor.

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Got meh? fast fast tell me lar... I want oso wor.

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We have discussed it before.
U can pledge your public mutual funds with public bank, get OD facilty up to MOA 80%, rate blr-1%, can withdraw the OD to invest in mutual funds.
I know other banks like OCBC, Cimb also offer this but lower MOA.
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 11:26 AM)
Which bank give credit line to invest in unit trust ? Those ASB and AS1M ? If I want to invest in PM or FSM using loan, can recommend some banks ?

We should actually compare apple to apple. If you buy property using cash, then compare to you buy UT using cash. If you use cash to buy property, then your return in % will be reduced substantially
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I know how to differentiate ROI and COCR.
AS1M can't be pledged for OD facility.
I got 8% pa return due to active monthly and quarterly monitoring and switching, otherwise I expect I will only get 4% pa in average. As for other investment I don't hv to do that.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
We have discussed it before.
U can pledge your public mutual funds with public bank, get OD facilty up to MOA 80%, rate blr-1%, can withdraw the OD to invest in mutual funds.
I know other banks like OCBC, Cimb also offer this but lower MOA.
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BLR minus 1% is effective rate 5.6%, sales charge is 5.5%, MER another 1.5%. Total for first year is 13%. Thereafter every year is 7% cost of investment.

Eeeeeee, tak mau liao. Sure kalah wan liek dis.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 11 2013, 12:53 PM)
BLR minus 1% is effective rate 5.6%, sales charge is 5.5%, MER another 1.5%. Total for first year is 13%. Thereafter every year is 7% cost of investment.

Eeeeeee, tak mau liao. Sure kalah wan liek dis.

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I pledged my bond funds for OD facility back in 2008 where PB Islamic bond gave 8-10% return until year 2011.
The initial charge of bond fund is 0.25% which is still doable. After minus out the 5.6% OD interest I still hv a positive return of around 4% with minimal risk. And I reinvest the OD into same bond fund and repeated the same formula... But now bond fund is not doing good, so I cancel all facilities and withdraw all my funds.

We all know for mutual funds investment, fund managers make on sunny day and rainy day without fail. Unlike investors need to take the risk. That is why I prefer to invest direct now. Historically and statistically proven 90% of the funds can't beat the index funds or index ETF in long term partially due to the cost of investment.
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FSM's ever-popular equity fund Kenanga Growth Fund has beaten its benchmark since ages
So does OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
And Hwang Select Opportunity Fund
And Hwang Select Income
And AmDynamic Bond
And I could go on and on with the list...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 01:35 PM)
FSM's ever-popular equity fund Kenanga Growth Fund has beaten its benchmark since ages
So does OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
And Hwang Select Opportunity Fund
And Hwang Select Income
And AmDynamic Bond
And I could go on and on with the list...
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Well I should replace the 90% with "majority". As forumers here likes to catch my words as an English teacher.

Try to google the key word "mutual fund outperform" and u may find the answers.

Most of the local mutual funds when they published their performance they only show gross return but not the net return. Investment cost like initial charge, annual admin fee, performance fee, trustee fees all shd be included when calculating and comparing the net to net return.

We hope to have a healthy discussion here.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:49 PM)
I know how to differentiate ROI and COCR.
AS1M can't be pledged for OD facility.
I got 8% pa return due to active monthly and quarterly monitoring and switching, otherwise I expect I will only get 4% pa in average. As for other investment I don't hv to do that.
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We can go on and on because property and UT is 2 different investment. Each has its benefits and weaknesses. All depends on personal preference. If really want to compare, property is also not the investment giving best return. Some business can give 1000% return per year. Property is nothing in comparison laugh.gif

We should leave the discussion because it is a thread about FSM. Just like 1 week ago someone went to FD thread and question the FD player how they can beat inflation. That fellow thought those FD players didn't know there are higher returns elsewhere laugh.gif Likewise, it is not appropriate someone go to the Foresta thread and say some other projects can give better returns compare to Foresta.
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We can go on and on because property and UT is 2 different investment. Each has its benefits and weaknesses. All depends on personal preference. If really want to compare, property is also not the investment giving best return. Some business can give 1000% return per year. Property is nothing in comparison  laugh.gif 

We should leave the discussion because it is a thread about FSM. Just like 1 week ago someone went to FD thread and question the FD player how they can beat inflation. That fellow thought those FD players didn't know there are higher returns elsewhere laugh.gif Likewise, it is not appropriate someone go to the Foresta thread and say some other projects can give better returns compare to Foresta.
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I said it many times and I will say it for the last time.
I just shared my experience in UT investment vs other investment.
It is an experience sharing not an comparison. All types of investment are different in nature. Even within the mutual funds we can't compare money market fund and equity funds.

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I said it many times and I will say it for the last time.
I just shared my experience in UT investment vs other investment.
It is an experience sharing not an comparison. All types of investment are different in nature. Even within the mutual funds we can't compare money market fund and equity funds.
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May I humbly suggest you start a thread to discuss further instead of talking within this thread, which is about FSM ? It is a basic courtesy tongue.gif
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BLR minus 1% is effective rate 5.6%, sales charge is 5.5%, MER another 1.5%. Total for first year is 13%. Thereafter every year is 7% cost of investment.

Eeeeeee, tak mau liao. Sure kalah wan liek dis.

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This post of mine prompted me to ask this question: If I take the borrowing, at what level must I break even?

After thinking through it and scouring my brain on what formula to use, I will use a slightly modified Alpha-jenssen ratio to calculate the above question:

Risk free rate (MBB 12mth FD rate) = 3.15p.a.
Cost of borrowing (BLR - 1%) according to Cheahcw2003= 6.6 - 1 = 5.6% p.a.
Benchmark rtn (KLSE Emas index) = 8.96% p.a. (source from Pub-Mut)
Annual Management Fee = 1.5% (source Pub-Mut)
Assuming the beta is 1.0 i.e, similar to market fluctuation, no better, no worse:

The minimal ROI to expect in order to just breakeven =
[MER + Risk free rate + Cost of borrowing + Beta x (KLSE benchmark return - Risk free rate - Cost of borrowing)]

= 1.5 + 3.15 + 5.6 + 1.00 x (8.96 - 3.15 - 5.6)
= 10.46% p.a.

Let's look through Pub-Mut funds that has consistent performance of 10.46% p.a. with a beta of 1.00?

Sorry none of them has this. Hence it is a no go for borrowng to buy Pub-Mut fund.

Xuzen

P/s: I have discounted the one off sales charge of 5.5% since it is a one off event.

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 02:20 PM)
May I humbly suggest you start a thread to discuss further instead of talking within this thread, which is about FSM ? It is a basic courtesy  tongue.gif
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I m discussing why I don't invest in FSM funds/ mutual funds, Instead of why I invest in FSM. I was a FSM customer.
If this thread only invite pro-FSM comments, then why we need a forum?

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 11 2013, 02:24 PM)
This post of mine prompted me to ask this question: If I take the borrowing, at what level must I break even?

After thinking through it and scouring my brain on what formula to use, I will use a slightly modified Alpha-jenssen ratio to calculate the above question:

Risk free rate (MBB 12mth FD rate) = 3.15p.a.
Cost of borrowing (BLR - 1%) according to Cheahcw2003= 6.6 - 1 = 5.6% p.a.
Benchmark rtn (KLSE Emas index) = 8.96% p.a. (source from Pub-Mut)
Annual Management Fee = 1.5% (source Pub-Mut)
Assuming the beta is 1.0 i.e, similar to market fluctuation, no better, no worse:

The minimal ROI to expect in order to just breakeven =
[MER + Risk free rate + Cost of borrowing + Beta x (KLSE benchmark return - Risk free rate - Cost of borrowing)]

= 1.5 + 3.15 + 5.6 + 1.00 x (8.96 - 3.15 - 5.6)
= 10.46% p.a.

Let's look through Pub-Mut funds that has consistent performance of 10.46% p.a. with a beta of 1.00?

Sorry none of them has this. Hence it is a no go for borrowng to buy Pub-Mut fund.

Xuzen

P/s: I have discounted the one off sales charge of 5.5% since it is a one off event.
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It is only doable for bond fund as the initial charge is 0.25%, I did not use such complicated formula to calculate which involve alpha beta and ratio analysis.
You are right, equity funds are not doable if we take in 5.5% initial charge. Anyway I hv withdrawn my Uniflex facility last year.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 02:29 PM)
I m discussing why I don't invest in FSM funds/ mutual funds, Instead of why I invest in FSM. I was a FSM customer.
If this thread only invite pro-FSM comments, then why we need a forum?
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I surrender...... doh.gif What specific anti-FSM comments you have ? All you said is just about property returns is better than UT in general. You could have go to Public Mutual thread and start the same thing there.

If you talk about FSM's charges is expensive, service not good, bad fund recommendation, etc etc, then I can accept this is relevant and constructive. But in a thread specific about FSM, you talk about your experience that the UT return is lower than property. This is another topic altogether. Please give benefit of the doubt those who discuss about FSM here know how to choose their investment tool. I am sure many of them invest in property too.

People has been having nice discussion in this thread until the 4th version already. Just because 1 day you feel lonely, then you come in and say UT (not even about FSM) is not as good as property. Bro, you mean you only found out FSM is no good until the 4th version ?

Hope you don't feel lonely soon...... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 03:00 PM)
I surrender...... doh.gif  What specific anti-FSM comments you have ? All you said is just about property returns is better than UT in general. You could have go to Public Mutual thread and start the same thing there.

If you talk about FSM's charges is expensive, service not good, bad fund recommendation, etc etc, then I can accept this is relevant and constructive. But in a thread specific about FSM, you talk about your experience that the UT return is lower than property. This is another topic altogether. Please give benefit of the doubt those who discuss about FSM here know how to choose their investment tool. I am sure many of them invest in property too. 

People has been having nice discussion in this thread until the 4th version already. Just because 1 day you feel lonely, then you come in and say UT (not even about FSM) is not as good as property. Bro, you mean you only found out FSM is no good until the 4th version ?

Hope you don't feel lonely soon...... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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I will ignore your postings.
You can ignore mine also.
Since u can't accept different opinion.

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I will ignore your postings.
You can ignore mine also.
Since u can't accept different opinion.
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haha, I understand 100% what you are trying to say. I was just pointing out that your opinion (which is legit) should exist in another thread, not this specific thread that talk about FSM.

When you accuse people can't accept different opinion, did it reflect on you that you can't accept different opinion too ? laugh.gif

No, I won't ignore anybody's comment because I respect everybody's opinion. But I can accept anybody who ignore mine. I understand different people has different style.

I will stop here anyway because I have talked too much which is irrelevant to this thread. Apologies to the regular of this thread notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 03:43 PM)
haha, I understand 100% what you are trying to say. I was just pointing out that your opinion (which is legit) should exist in another thread, not this specific thread that talk about FSM.

When you accuse people can't accept different opinion, did it reflect on you that you can't accept different opinion too ?  laugh.gif

No, I won't ignore anybody's comment because I respect everybody's opinion. But I can accept anybody who ignore mine. I understand different people has different style.

I will stop here anyway because I have talked too much which is irrelevant to this thread. Apologies to the regular of this thread  notworthy.gif
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I m discussing mutual fund in general.
Most of my funds I bought them from PM and FSM. I was FSM platinum customer as well.
I did not highlight PM experience in particular until some other forumers ask me about how to leverage and what funds to leverage, only I responded.

FSM sells mutual funds and I am talking about mutual funds that I bought from FSM. And my experience is that FSM funds gave me 8% pa return in average which i m not satisfied, I believe it is within the topic.
I did not discuss about car, fashions, or politics. So this is the right thread.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 03:50 PM)
I m discussing mutual fund in general.
Most of my funds I bought them from PM and FSM. I was FSM platinum customer as well.
I did not highlight PM experience in particular  until some other forumers ask me about how to leverage and what funds to leverage, only I responded.

FSM sells mutual funds and I am talking about mutual funds that I bought from FSM. And my experience is that FSM funds gave me 8% pa return in average which i m not satisfied, I believe it is within the topic.
I did not discuss about car, fashions, or politics. So this is the right thread.
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Ok bro understood 100%. Please continue do what you think is right.

Just 1 last question, if someone go the Foresta thread and talk about gold which has higher return than property investment, what would be the reaction of the foresta investor there ?
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 04:06 PM)
Ok bro understood 100%. Please continue do what you think is right.

Just 1 last question, if someone go the Foresta thread and talk about gold which has higher return than property investment, what would be the reaction of the foresta investor there ?
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Let's focus on mutual funds investment.
No personal attack like "feeling lonely" or "damansara Foresta"...

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 01:53 PM)
Well I should replace the 90% with "majority". As forumers here likes to catch my words as an English teacher.

Try to google the key word "mutual fund outperform" and u may find the answers.

Most of the local mutual funds when they published their performance they only show gross return but not the net return. Investment cost like initial charge, annual admin fee, performance fee, trustee fees all shd be included when calculating and comparing the net to net return.

We hope to have a healthy discussion here.
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I'm being serious and not looking for a war, u SERIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW MUTUAL FUNDS, ALL THOSE CHARGES ARE ALREADY REFLECTED IN THE NAV PRICING.
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Mr Cheah,

I'm being serious and not looking for a war, u SERIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW MUTUAL FUNDS, ALL THOSE CHARGES ARE ALREADY REFLECTED IN THE NAV PRICING.
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Thanks for highlighting this.
Some funds display gross some display net performance. I did know more about mutual funds that is why I only get 8%pa for the last 13 years, u probably get better return.
So ur research reveals that majority of the funds outperform market?

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Let's focus on mutual funds investment.
No personal attack like "feeling lonely" or "damansara Foresta"...
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Personal attack ? rclxub.gif You were the one who say you are lonely, that is the reason you post your first comment here....

Foresta ? I am just giving an analogy. Don't know how you see it as personal attack. Apologies if you feel so. If you feel it is a personal attack, then all the FSM people here should feel your personal attack to them too laugh.gif


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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 04:51 PM)
Thanks for highlighting this.
Some funds display gross some display net performance. I did know more about mutual funds that is why I only get 8%pa for the last 13 years, u probably get better return.
So ur research reveals that majority of the funds outperform market?
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Read carefully, when they say "net", it only mean net of initial sales charge, AFAIK ALL MUTUAL FUNDS in Malaysia and Singapore already taken admin, trustee and other expenses in NAV calculation.

If majority of funds outperform market, u won't see the rise of ETFs.

That is why we have to do some homework to select the better ones from the many available out there.

It's those ppl who don't do any homework, relies solely on sales pitch to buy and then whine "UTs are a scam, I could get better returns elsewhere" that pisses me off.

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 04:54 PM)
Personal attack ?  rclxub.gif  You were the one who say you are lonely, that is the reason you post your first comment here....

Foresta ? I am just giving an analogy. Don't know how you see it as personal attack. Apologies if you feel so. If you feel it is a personal attack, then all the FSM people here should feel your personal attack to them too  laugh.gif
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I attack nobody except sharing my own experience. I did not do any name calling from the beginning.

I know this is a FSM investment thread, everyone going the same direction (fish effects) and if anyone go different direction it will deem different species and would not be welcomed. i just give different opinions and this is what the forum for. Discuss, agree, disagree, agree to disagree.

By the way, pls enlighten me when did I say I m lonely?
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 04:54 PM)
Personal attack ?  rclxub.gif  You were the one who say you are lonely, that is the reason you post your first comment here....

Foresta ? I am just giving an analogy. Don't know how you see it as personal attack. Apologies if you feel so. If you feel it is a personal attack, then all the FSM people here should feel your personal attack to them too  laugh.gif
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Erm count me out, not all.
I think there are some misunderstanding here. cheahcw2003 just trying to share his experience.
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And back to the karma thingy...

That is why I'm also personally against trading of commodities esp agricultural goods, those items are necessities to many, and yet greedy traders manipulate the prices to their advantage.

Stocks are not a necessities, u won't starve to death if u don't own any stocks. Thus if u talk about fund managers speculating on stocks, I've nothing against them.

A little contribution goes a long way.

If u kept thinking "well, everyone does it, so if I don't do it out of conscience, then I'm losing out", then when karma comes/God questions you on Judgment Day, don't complain. wink.gif

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 05:09 PM)

By the way, pls enlighten me when did I say I m lonely?
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Ok.......

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 8 2013, 10:41 PM)
Hmmm... Discussion for the sake of discussion....just to kill time in order not to feel lonely?
I rather invest in other asset, like prop, no need to check market every week, i can sleep well and awake after 2 years, that is just me...don't shoot me
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I will ask for the last time...

Is it ok if someone talk about gold/forex as better investment than property in general in the foresta thread ?

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Aug 11 2013, 05:09 PM)
Erm count me out, not all.
I think there are some misunderstanding here. cheahcw2003 just trying to share his experience.
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Just trying to relate his experience of being "attacked personally" laugh.gif Not saying people here felt so....

Anyway, I feel I talk too much here..... notworthy.gif I am out !! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 05:07 PM)
It's those ppl who don't do any homework, relies solely on sales pitch to buy and then whine "UTs are a scam, I could get better returns elsewhere" that pisses me off.
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Thanks for the explanation.
UT is not a scam, it is just a costly way of investment. Good for beginner and those who do not hv much experience and has limited time and funds.
It took me > 10 years to discover that UT is too costly and there is other better way like ETF, Reits, index funds.
Now I m retired only I hv time to re-look my own portfolio and decided to invest by myself.

No offense to FSM investors.
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 05:12 PM)
Ok.......
I will ask for the last time...

Is it ok if someone talk about gold/forex as better investment than property in general in the foresta thread ?
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Haha thanks. I can't even remember I said that. Aiya...Old already. I was waiting my flight at the airport and killing time in the airport lounge...

To answer your question, if some1 telling me there is other investment better than what I did, I will eager to learn more instead of close my mind and defense it. I am open to any investment recommendation as long as it is legal.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 05:11 PM)
And back to the karma thingy...

That is why I'm also personally against trading of commodities esp agricultural goods, those items are necessities to many, and yet greedy traders manipulate the prices to their advantage.

Stocks are not a necessities, u won't starve to death if u don't own any stocks. Thus if u talk about fund managers speculating on stocks, I've nothing against them.

A little contribution goes a long way.

If u kept thinking "well, everyone does it, so if I don't do it out of conscience, then I'm losing out", then when karma comes/God questions you on Judgment Day, don't complain. wink.gif
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Since u talk about karma thingy. I would also like to share my humble opinion.
Well, We live in a capitalist world, so the demand and supply market will decide the price, unless u live in communist world, u wait for your food and house allocation from the government.

For property, no doubt it is a necessary to have a roof above your head but u don't necessary have to own it. You can rent it. Even cash rich as banks, they do not own all their branch business premises instead they pay rent to their landlords/property investors. In many developed nations like UK, Germany most ppl do not own a house in their life time, instead they prefer to rent it. This open an opportunity to property investor to invest and rent it out for those who need it. Willing buyer willing seller, willing landlord willing tenants, this is how free market works

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Ok, then I am a communist.

Then I presume Mr Cheah also more than happy to live under a corrupt government bcos "the majority kept it in power, even though it wasn't won free and square", u are not willing to contribute your share to change the world that u are living in.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 05:21 PM)
Haha thanks. I can't even remember I said that. Aiya...Old already. I was waiting my flight at the airport and killing time in the airport lounge...

To answer your question, if some1 telling me there is other investment better than what I did, I will eager to learn more instead of close my mind and defense it.  I am open to any investment recommendation as long as it is legal.
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I will try to ask a similar question in foresta thread when I am free 1 day laugh.gif

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wah wah, FSM discussion become wat edi.. offtopic until moon or mars edi bro and bang.. chill biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 05:33 PM)
Ok, then I am a communist.

Then I presume Mr Cheah also more than happy to live under a corrupt government bcos "the majority kept it in power, even though it wasn't won free and square", u are not willing to contribute your share to change the world that u are living in.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 05:33 PM)
Ok, then I am a communist.

Then I presume Mr Cheah also more than happy to live under a corrupt government bcos "the majority kept it in power, even though it wasn't won free and square", u are not willing to contribute your share to change the world that u are living in.
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Cool down Pinky.
Investment thread here, no politics.
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 05:39 PM)
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I will try to ask a similar question in foresta thread when I am free 1 day  laugh.gif
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Foresta investors are more than happy if u could recommend better investment in the said thread. Thanks in advance
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 11 2013, 05:43 PM)
wah wah, FSM discussion become wat edi.. offtopic until moon or mars edi bro and bang.. chill biggrin.gif
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My apology, lets back to FSM and or Mutual Fund investment.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 06:01 PM)
Cool down Pinky.
Investment thread here, no politics.
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It's the same principle, we're talking about making the world a better place, but because of greed some people put their conscience behind.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 11 2013, 06:29 PM)
It's the same principle, we're talking about making the world a better place, but because of greed some people put their conscience behind.
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Pinky, think of it another way.
There are those of good heart & nature, buys homes and provides good residential units at affordable prices to those who can't afford buy, while upkeeping & maintaining the properties properly
Good landlord for good renters.

Of course, there are crazed speculators wanting to charge crazy rents lar.

Thus, in all - sometimes dont U think that if the good gives up on investing & growing their wealth, then the bad/crazed will have all the assets & wealth to make life worse?

No right/wrong yar, just thinking aloud - a perspective from an audio book i "read" changed my mind on my internalized "filthy rich" concept. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 03:50 PM)
I m discussing mutual fund in general.
Most of my funds I bought them from PM and FSM. I was FSM platinum customer as well.
I did not highlight PM experience in particular  until some other forumers ask me about how to leverage and what funds to leverage, only I responded.

FSM sells mutual funds and I am talking about mutual funds that I bought from FSM. And my experience is that FSM funds gave me 8% pa return in average which i m not satisfied, I believe it is within the topic.
I did not discuss about car, fashions, or politics. So this is the right thread.
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Just want to know, which type of investment portfolio you've chosen? I guessed aggresive portfolio... and how frequent u top up ur portfolio? DCA or VCA? i apologized here first in case u alrrady mentioned in ur previous reply... thanks


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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Aug 11 2013, 07:15 PM)
Just want to know, which type of investment portfolio you've chosen? I guessed aggresive portfolio... and how frequent u top up ur portfolio? DCA or VCA? i apologized here first in case u alrrady mentioned in ur previous reply... thanks
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No worry bro, we are here to share and learnt from each other with open heart and open mind.
I have quite a defensive portfolio actually, to summarised it, my UT investment was 70% (equity):30% (bond) in year 2000-2004,
then 50%:50% from 2005-2008,
then 90% bond:10% equity in 2009-2012....
I sold all my UT from FSM and PM in year end 2012.

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Just want to know, which type of investment portfolio you've chosen? I guessed aggresive portfolio... and how frequent u top up ur portfolio? DCA or VCA? i apologized here first in case u alrrady mentioned in ur previous reply... thanks
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Left out one part, I don't use either DCA and VCA....back in year 2000, these terms were not used that often.
I usually do one lump sum investment, maybe 2-3 times within a year, and switch in between funds.

My investment cost is quite low, as one of my family members used to work in PM, I can buy the funds at NAV with no initial charge, enjoying staff benefits.
When she left PM, I started to invest equity funds via FSM and CIMB Clicks, only buy bond funds from PM.

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Hi, newbie here. Just wanna ask what are the main characteristics of funds for core equity?
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Hi, newbie here. Just wanna ask what are the main characteristics of funds for core equity?
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No worry bro, we are here to share and learnt from each other with open heart and open mind.
I have quite a defensive portfolio actually, to summarised it, my UT investment was 70% (equity):30% (bond) in year 2000-2004,
then 50%:50% from 2005-2008,
then 90% bond:10% equity in 2009-2012....
I sold all my UT from FSM and PM in year end 2012.
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You are slowly switching out from bond from 2000-2012 before you finally sold out all your UT, what is the reason ?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 11 2013, 06:46 PM)
Pinky, think of it another way.
There are those of good heart & nature, buys homes and provides good residential units at affordable prices to those who can't afford buy, while upkeeping & maintaining the properties properly
Good landlord for good renters.

Of course, there are crazed speculators wanting to charge crazy rents lar.

Thus, in all - sometimes dont U think that if the good gives up on investing & growing their wealth, then the bad/crazed will have all the assets & wealth to make life worse?

No right/wrong yar, just thinking aloud - a perspective from an audio book i "read" changed my mind on my internalized "filthy rich" concept.  notworthy.gif
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You are slowly switching out from bond from 2000-2012 before you finally sold out all your UT, what is the reason ?
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Bond funds' returns shrinking after 2011 when economy slowly picking up. But I had good returns on Bond funds from 2008-2010....
I found other better investment alternatives as shared earlier.

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Hi, newbie here. Just wanna ask what are the main characteristics of funds for core equity?
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The core portfolio is invested in broadly diversified regional funds such as those investing in Asia ex-Japan, Asia Pacific and global markets. These funds are held for long-term such as five-years or more.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...pl?articleNo=59
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found this forummer at FSM SG: NthDimensions posted this:
#Quote# I think more importantly, you have to ask yourself, what is your game plan?
1) how much losses before cut-loss?
2) will you ever cut loss? or just hold and wait?
3) how much % profit is your target?
4) what is your 6-months plan, 1-year plan, more than 1-year plan, if any?

and then, do you stick with your plan, or adjust it along the way if you see things not going your way, and how would you know things are really not going your way, or is it just a temporary hiccup, do you hold and wait?

it's really your game plan, according to your character, that determines the outcome.
what works for someone else, may not work for you. #unquote#

WOW, that really got me thinking.......
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Just a question.

At the current economy situation, investing in UT locally or asia pacific is better?

Kindly provide opinions and preferable if there is any news link. smile.gif
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Hi guys.

Just a question.

At the current economy situation, investing in UT locally or asia pacific is better?

Kindly provide opinions and preferable if there is any news link. smile.gif
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For Asia-Pac: Offers better value in terms of potential upside
For Local: The local market got huge institutional support in the forms of EPF, LTAT, etc etc etc

Risk is lower for local, but the potential rewards for Asia-Pac is WAY higher, u decide wink.gif
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i wonder if there any 1-year fund to invest? that can make us get profit in short term?

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Ponzi fund like HAQ gives u nice profit in 1 yr (yield around 20-30% pa, past performance tho). What kind of profit are u looking at, some ppl think 3% profit they satisfied even for 1 yr, so they put in fixed income bond, some ppl say wan 8-10%, some wan beat fd only, some wan same as EPF as profit.. 0.1% also profit, define ur profit. if u wan anything higher than that, just go for stock, maybe 1 day also u can become millionare.
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The core portfolio is invested in broadly diversified regional funds such as those investing in Asia ex-Japan, Asia Pacific and global markets. These funds are held for long-term such as five-years or more. 
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...pl?articleNo=59
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 12 2013, 10:57 AM)
Ponzi fund like HAQ gives u nice profit in 1 yr (yield around 20-30% pa, past performance tho). What kind of profit are u looking at, some ppl think 3% profit they satisfied even for 1 yr, so they put in fixed income bond, some ppl say wan 8-10%, some wan beat fd only, some wan same as EPF as profit.. 0.1% also profit, define ur profit. if u wan anything higher than that, just go for stock, maybe 1 day also u can become millionare.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 12 2013, 10:57 AM)
Ponzi fund like HAQ gives u nice profit in 1 yr (yield around 20-30% pa, past performance tho). What kind of profit are u looking at, some ppl think 3% profit they satisfied even for 1 yr, so they put in fixed income bond, some ppl say wan 8-10%, some wan beat fd only, some wan same as EPF as profit.. 0.1% also profit, define ur profit. if u wan anything higher than that, just go for stock, maybe 1 day also u can become millionare.
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haha...i dont to millionare lor..instead of wasting time waiting, maybe i can set a fast target..huhu.. tongue.gif
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haha...i dont to millionare lor..instead of wasting time waiting, maybe i can set a fast target..huhu.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 12 2013, 01:31 AM)
Hi guys.

Just a question.

At the current economy situation, investing in UT locally or asia pacific is better?

Kindly provide opinions and preferable if there is any news link. smile.gif
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QUOTE(yap1992 @ Aug 12 2013, 10:58 AM)
can Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund considered as one of the fund for core equity since it is investing in Asia excluding Japan?
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Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund is only investing in mid & small cap companies; tehrefore it's not really a truly Asia ex Japan.

It's a Asia ex Japan - Sector based fund.
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QUOTE(ZeRoNoS @ Aug 12 2013, 10:51 AM)
i wonder if there any 1-year fund to invest? that can make us get profit in short term?

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1 year to invest,..i suggest OSK-UOB Cash Management Fund/Bank Rakyat FD

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 11:25 AM)
just a note: Don't miss this "Investment Disclaimer"
Investors are advised that unit prices and distributions payable, if any, may go down as well as up.
There are fees and charges involved and investors are advised to consider the fees and charges before
investing in the Fund. Past performance of the Fund is not an indication of future performance.

1 year to invest,..i suggest OSK-UOB Cash Management Fund/Bank Rakyat FD
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MMF and FD is not really an investment. Of course, if one wants risk-free, then it could be considered. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 12 2013, 11:27 AM)
MMF and FD is not really an investment. Of course, if one wants risk-free, then it could be considered. sweat.gif
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rclxms.gif yes,.
ZeRoNos asked "i wonder if there any 1-year fund to invest? that can make us get profit in short term?"
1 year fund and want to make profit
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 11:30 AM)
rclxms.gif  yes,.
ZeRoNos asked "i wonder if there any 1-year fund to invest? that can make us get profit in short term?"
1 year fund and want to make profit
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~3% p.a return is nothing after offsetting inflation (real). whistling.gif
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China fund is rebouncing?

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FUND NAME | 1-MONTH %

OSK-UOB Gold And General Fund 8.69
AmPrecious Metals 8.62
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund 8.57
AmGlobal Emerging Markets Opportunities 8.24
OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund 8.17

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 12 2013, 11:32 AM)
~3% p.a return is nothing after offsetting inflation (real). whistling.gif
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SO there is no chance of invest shortly bcoz lower profit.. cry.gif

correct me if i'm wrong
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QUOTE(ZeRoNoS @ Aug 12 2013, 11:36 AM)
SO there is no chance of invest shortly bcoz lower profit.. cry.gif

correct me if i'm wrong
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Got but there's no guarantee since we don't have crystal ball.

Investment can goes both way.

And also high risk, high gain but the opposite way also possible.

The ponzi fund from Hwang could achieve this - Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund but whether it could sustain the performance is highly depending on macro economy.
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Feel wanna top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...it's been a while...and reading articles about S-REITs getting attractive again hmm.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 12 2013, 11:35 AM)
China fund is rebouncing?
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RM depreciationg also...

QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 12 2013, 11:40 AM)
Got but there's no guarantee since we don't have crystal ball.

Investment can goes both way.

And also high risk, high gain but the opposite way also possible.

The ponzi fund from Hwang could achieve this - Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund but whether it could sustain the performance is highly depending on macro economy.
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...and HwangIM's stock-picking skills (and luck) wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM)
Feel wanna top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...it's been a while...and reading articles about S-REITs getting attractive again hmm.gif
RM depreciationg also...
...and HwangIM's stock-picking skills (and luck) wink.gif
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I want to exit AmAsia Pacific REITs by September before Fed Reserve kicks off the tapering and you want to increase holding? hmm.gif
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HWANG SELECT ASIA (EX JAPAN) OPPORTUNITY FUND

how about this for 1-year term? higher risk still..can we trust@used valuation performance..

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HWANG SELECT ASIA (EX JAPAN) OPPORTUNITY FUND

how about this for 1-year term? higher risk still..can we trust@used valuation performance..
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The risk is lower than Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund because it usually aims for large/big cap and dividend based stocks.
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I want to exit AmAsia Pacific REITs by September before Fed Reserve kicks off the tapering and you want to increase holding? hmm.gif
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S-REITs yield gap to Singapore bonds are quite ok unsure.gif

Nvm, tonite read more dulu biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 12:02 PM)
S-REITs yield gap to Singapore bonds are quite ok unsure.gif

Nvm, tonite read more dulu biggrin.gif
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Maybe you can consider AMASIA PACIFIC REITS PLUS. Perhaps their selection and country allocation could be different from AMASIA PACIFIC REITS.

New fund, same objective, different strategy (perhaps).
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actually how dis thing actually happen/ going? what mean with min initial investment actually? if one unit price rm 0.50, then min rm 1000..does that mean we will get total unit rm 1000/ rm 0.50?

can someone explain to me the flow of this investment..
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QUOTE(ZeRoNoS @ Aug 12 2013, 12:10 PM)
actually how dis thing actually happen/ going? what mean with min initial investment actually? if one unit price rm 0.50, then min rm 1000..does that mean we will get total unit rm 1000/ rm 0.50?

can someone explain to me the flow of this investment..
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To "open" a fund account by buying in the "new" fund, you need to invest with a investment value of RM 1000.

Number of unit obtained from the purchase will depend on what is the fund NAV on that day minus off the service charge.

Subsequent investment (top up) could be as low as RM 50 or 100 depending on the fund profile.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 07:29 AM)
For Asia-Pac: Offers better value in terms of potential upside
For Local: The local market got huge institutional support in the forms of EPF, LTAT, etc etc etc

Risk is lower for local, but the potential rewards for Asia-Pac is WAY higher, u decide wink.gif
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thank you for the reference. highly appreciate it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 12 2013, 12:07 PM)
Maybe you can consider AMASIA PACIFIC REITS PLUS. Perhaps their selection and country allocation could be different from AMASIA PACIFIC REITS.

New fund, same objective, different strategy (perhaps).
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REITs Plus can buy Real Estate company stocks, REITs can only buy REITs, simple as that.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 7 2013, 10:30 AM)
IMHO China funds can start to enter now

Whereas for RHB GS US, buy little by little, buy on dips
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Need to be careful with US market now. The professional investors are selling and retail investors are buying big time. Money Flow indicator also showing a divergence compare to the market. Anytime can kaboom liao, just need something to trigger.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 12 2013, 04:14 PM)
Need to be careful with US market now. The professional investors are selling and retail investors are buying big time. Money Flow indicator also showing a divergence compare to the market. Anytime can kaboom liao, just need something to trigger.
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Can slowly accumulate lor, but not to go in big time. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 04:15 PM)
Can slowly accumulate lor, but not to go in big time. wink.gif
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if dip abit, accumulate abit, dips abit accumulate abit again, dips buy, dips buy, then KABBOM DIPS...then die-lah rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 12 2013, 04:14 PM)
Need to be careful with US market now. The professional investors are selling and retail investors are buying big time. Money Flow indicator also showing a divergence compare to the market. Anytime can kaboom liao, just need something to trigger.
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wa lau leh,...i was emailing my portfolio mgr ask/confirm opinion to move 2/3 of my H Sel income to Sel China and HSAO...now this news.....
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 04:18 PM)
if dip abit, accumulate abit, dips abit accumulate abit again, dips buy, dips buy, then KABBOM DIPS...then die-lah rclxub.gif
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Visions of 1997-1998 double-dips... shocking.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 04:18 PM)
if dip abit, accumulate abit, dips abit accumulate abit again, dips buy, dips buy, then KABBOM DIPS...then die-lah rclxub.gif
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hahas..KABOOM buy more..if dont want to take the risk, then keep moneyflies.gif in FD waiting the KABOOM only show hand..


CASH is KING when come to crisis....that how to do , split some to FD fund and Investment Fund(slow accumulate bullet and fire 1 stock accumulation)
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 12 2013, 04:39 PM)
hahas..KABOOM buy more..if dont want to take the risk, then keep moneyflies.gif in FD waiting the KABOOM only show hand..
CASH is KING when come to crisis....that how to do , split some to FD fund and Investment Fund(slow accumulate bullet and fire 1 stock accumulation)
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hmm.gif what if the Kabbom no come? then would have missed the boat then, still holding on with the cash....
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 12 2013, 04:35 PM)
Visions of 1997-1998 double-dips...  shocking.gif
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OMG....1997 to 1998 double dips then 2 yrs later tech bubble burst.
this time?? sweat.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 04:44 PM)
hmm.gif what if the Kabbom no come? then would have missed the boat then, still holding on with the cash....
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FD still your money, juz wait. It better have that dont hv when needed.

Dont be greedy everything also go toward investment fund/stock which come with risk.

Money in FD can use for fixing car/paint the house/medical fund when needed/paying off house loan.

So many thing can do with money when apply in correct risk. Important dont burn the money for KABOOM.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 12 2013, 04:48 PM)
FD still your money, juz wait. It better have that dont hv when needed.

Dont be greedy everything also go toward investment fund/stock which come with risk.

Money in FD can use for fixing car/paint the house/medical fund when needed/paying off house loan.

So many thing can do with money when apply in correct risk. Important dont burn the money for KABOOM.
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Classic FEAR vs GREED tongue.gif

Repeat after me... work with plan.. ohm... work with asset allocation.. ohm.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 04:47 PM)
OMG....1997 to 1998 double dips then 2 yrs later tech bubble burst.
this time?? sweat.gif  doh.gif
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and it took 10years to reach back to 1997 pre-crash KLCI index levels (ie. 2007)
then 2008 happens!
doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 12 2013, 04:48 PM)
FD still your money, juz wait. It better have that dont hv when needed.

Dont be greedy everything also go toward investment fund/stock which come with risk.

Money in FD can use for fixing car/paint the house/medical fund when needed/paying off house loan.

So many thing can do with money when apply in correct risk. Important dont burn the money for KABOOM.
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hmm.gif got some point though!!
buy, dun buy, buy, dun buy, buy, dun buy,...let me go get a coin rclxub.gif ...it is a CASINO out there.....

but the odds of making money rise in favour of the investor as the investment horizon is extended. As such, adopting a long term investment horizon can improve the probability of an investor achieving a successful outcome in the stock market. whistling.gif

not all investments perform well at the same time, and investors would do well to diversify their portfolios across asset classes, as well as across the various markets; placing a large bet on a single market may reap huge rewards, but is hardly a prudent approach since it exposes the investor to a significant level of market-specific risk.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8327

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 12 2013, 04:54 PM)
and it took 10years to reach back to 1997 pre-crash KLCI index levels (ie. 2007)
then 2008 happens!
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Wong Seafood, before this, KLCI index does not take into account dividends! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 04:57 PM)
hmm.gif got some point though!!
buy, dun buy, buy, dun buy, buy, dun buy,...let me go get a coin rclxub.gif ...it is a CASINO out there.....

but the odds of making money rise in favour of the investor as the investment horizon is extended. As such, adopting a long term investment horizon can improve the probability of an investor achieving a successful outcome in the stock market. whistling.gif

not all investments perform well at the same time, and investors would do well to diversify their portfolios across asset classes, as well as across the various markets; placing a large bet on a single market may reap huge rewards, but is hardly a prudent approach since it exposes the investor to a significant level of market-specific risk.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8327
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im the same as you, now no eye see. Juz play short one, buy and sell for KFC meal(Handy itchy like to gamble).

The rest got to FD fund. Atleast waiting for opprtunity to come. Even Now Bond fund also not spare from crisis which give me another thought.

Hope the Greese Hair-Cut dont happen in M'sia.
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Downgrade On Binariang GSM Bond Hurts These Funds ...August 12, 2013
In this article, we update investors about the impact of the downgrade of Binariang GSM Sdn Bhd bond paper and offer some advices to the affected bond investors.
Is your BOND or BALANCED funds as listed here?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3718

OMG...i kena Kidsave

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which of the current 1% promo funds are good buy? I'm thinking some Alliance global equity fund to increase a little to my global exposure. hmm.gif

I've just started my portfolio not long ago, currently 100% on local equity, will soon branch out by year end to complete my portfolio.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 05:02 PM)
Wong Seafood, before this, KLCI index does not take into account dividends! tongue.gif
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yar - gip U lar 3%pa div, thus "recovery" from 1997 & 1998 will be.. 2005/2006? brows.gif
main tikam sahaja yar - didnt do Excel on the assumption above sweat.gif
THEN... 2008 happens tongue.gif bwhahaaha

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 12 2013, 05:41 PM)
which of the current 1% promo funds are good buy? I'm thinking some Alliance global equity fund to increase a little to my global exposure.  hmm.gif

I've just started my portfolio not long ago, currently 100% on local equity, will soon branch out by year end to complete my portfolio.
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hmm.gif can't say with 1% promo funds are a good buy.....cos it depends on what one needs....maybe for portfolio diversification or just to bet that the previous years ROI performance can repeat it self.
Alliance Global Equities.... have you read the fund fact sheet or prospectus? liked where the funds are allocated to?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 05:24 PM)
oops.gif
Downgrade On Binariang GSM Bond Hurts These Funds ...August 12, 2013
In this article, we update investors about the impact of the downgrade of Binariang GSM Sdn Bhd bond paper and offer some advices to the affected bond investors.
Is your BOND or BALANCED funds as listed here?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3718

OMG...i kena Kidsave
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Most of the bond funds are not doing good for the last 3-6 months especially USA announced they are going to cease QE series
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM)
hmm.gif can't say with 1% promo funds are a good buy.....cos it depends on what one needs....maybe for portfolio diversification or just to bet that the previous years ROI performance can repeat it self.
Alliance Global Equities.... have you read the fund fact sheet or prospectus? liked where the funds are allocated to?
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Unker Looi is getting better as a CONsultan rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 05:57 PM)
Unker Looi is getting better as a CONsultan rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 05:55 PM)
hmm.gif can't say with 1% promo funds are a good buy.....cos it depends on what one needs....maybe for portfolio diversification or just to bet that the previous years ROI performance can repeat it self.
Alliance Global Equities.... have you read the fund fact sheet or prospectus? liked where the funds are allocated to?
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hmm, i haven't read the others too, I will read them all first before I jump into any. but is there any recommendation from various consultants? haha...

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2013, 05:57 PM)
Unker Looi is getting better as a CONsultan rclxms.gif
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Mr. Pink, then would you also like to CONsult me a little here? rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 12 2013, 06:12 PM)
hmm, i haven't read the others too, I will read them all first before I jump into any. but is there any recommendation from various consultants? haha...
Mr. Pink, then would you also like to CONsult me a little here?  rclxms.gif
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1. AGEF is a good global equity fund
2. Go read the prospectus and recent fund financial statements (don't only read the Alliance ones, go Google Fullerton Fund Management and read the reports of Fullerton Global Equities, the Target Fund, those reports will have more info)
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for more info, suggest go read post by xuzen posted on 12 Aug 2013 at 08:25 PM Post #1435
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2466037/+1420#entry62421047

(below are just excerpts)
Some take home message:

i) Underweight Malaysian equities (read not avoid, but reduce it esp index linked due to expensive valuation). However, I think M'sia mid to small cap deserve some exposure.

ii) Overweight Asia-Pac equities (aka increase your allocation here)

iii) Overweight US equities slowly but watch out for US Treasury news come Mid -Sep for clearer pricture on QE stoppage and other economic data.

iv) Overweight China and Japan equities. There are no fund that specifically target Japan share, but if you enter Global fund, you should get some exposure from it.

v) Underweight bonds in general.

vi) Keep some (around 10 to 15%) in money market because OPR will be forecasted to rise.

by Xuzen

notworthy.gif Sorry Xuzen, just cannot resist the temptation to pass the above to this FSM thread. notworthy.gif

jfi,
OSK UOB Asia Pacific Fund has 40.6% in Japan as of 31 May 13
TA Asia Pacific Islamic Balanced Fund has12.46% as of 28 June 13
Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund launch date 11 July 13

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DCA today on PGSF , CIMB APDIF , EI GEM. macam too frequent i DCA.. last transaction was 1st August.. sweat.gif am i too rush?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 12 2013, 11:29 PM)
DCA today on PGSF , CIMB APDIF , EI GEM. macam too frequent i DCA.. last transaction was 1st August.. sweat.gif am i too rush?
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As Sir John Templeton aptly says, "History shows that time, not timing, is the key to investment success. Therefore, the best time to buy stocks is when you have money." So long as it's well managed unit trusts invested in markets that have strong fundamentals, the message is to stay invested and to keep on investing. That said, investors can mitigate investment risk by practising diversification, and also by investing bit by bit regularly via a regular savings plan.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 05:22 PM)
wa lau leh,...i was emailing my portfolio mgr ask/confirm opinion to move 2/3 of my H Sel income to Sel China and HSAO...now this news.....
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Bro... Who is your portfolio manager?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 13 2013, 12:21 AM)
Bro... Who is your portfolio manager?
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I bought some funds from Hwang and I was allocated a client portfolio manager
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 01:23 AM)
I bought some funds from Hwang and I was allocated a client portfolio manager
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Wow.. That is cool, direct to portfolio manager. Is he or she reply as efficient as FSM?
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US stocks open lower again. Keep going lower so that I can buy smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 13 2013, 12:32 AM)
Wow.. That is cool, direct to portfolio manager. Is he or she reply as efficient as FSM?
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not as good and detail as FSM, he provided short and simple answer, FSM provided analysis with graph on my portfolio....maybe it was because I buy funds by DIY, where else I think it would be different if I asked them to invest and manage my portfolio/money...guess the fees and the initial amount would be different too...never ask them...
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2013, 12:33 AM)
US stocks open lower again. Keep going lower so that I can buy smile.gif
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FSM rated US only 3 stars rating...same as M'sia rclxub.gif shocking.gif just to make you pondering...ha-he
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 12:41 AM)
FSM rated US only 3 stars rating...same as M'sia rclxub.gif  shocking.gif just to make you pondering...ha-he
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FSM rate by fundamentals and potential upside. As u should be aware by now, a market may not be fair valued for so long that u may run out of ammo...remember China? tongue.gif

In the same manner, a market may be expensively valued for so long that if u were to short it u would go bankrupt. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 12:49 AM)
FSM rate by fundamentals and potential upside. As u should be aware by now, a market may not be fair valued for so long that u may run out of ammo...remember China? tongue.gif

In the same manner, a market may be expensively valued for so long that if u were to short it u would go bankrupt. laugh.gif
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then lagi pening.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
anyway,...will be studying to reorganizing my portfolio will try to cater US, Europe, Asia ex Jpn, Japan, Emerging Mkt (5 catergories) and will go to Eq 80% (for this 2 years)
I selected this due to the correlation of returns.....any suggestions? anyone? icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 12:57 AM)
then lagi pening.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
anyway,...will be studying to reorganizing my portfolio will try to cater US, Europe, Asia ex Jpn, Japan, Emerging Mkt (5 catergories) and will go to Eq 80% (for this 2 years)
I selected this due to the correlation of returns.....any suggestions? anyone? icon_question.gif
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Unker Looi, u already retired, don't go too heavy on equities lar...balanced 50/50 is the ABSOLUTE MAX u should go I reckon sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 01:01 AM)
Unker Looi, u already retired, don't go too heavy on equities lar...balanced 50/50 is the ABSOLUTE MAX u should go I reckon sweat.gif
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thks for the reminder, but I dun see bond to be good for this 2 years, and was thinking of moving some bullets from bond to hunt for 2 years.
hmm.gif maybe you are right in the sense, that, in the event of a free fall, bond may not fall that much....

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 01:06 AM)
thks for the reminder, but I dun see bond to be good for this 2 years, and was thinking of moving some bullets from bond to hunt for 2 years.
hmm.gif maybe you are right in the sense, that, in the event of a free fall, bond may not fall that much....
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don't worry too much, just set a fairly conservative portfolio and stick to it...less headache
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 12:57 AM)
then lagi pening.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
anyway,...will be studying to reorganizing my portfolio will try to cater US, Europe, Asia ex Jpn, Japan, Emerging Mkt (5 catergories) and will go to Eq 80% (for this 2 years)
I selected this due to the correlation of returns.....any suggestions? anyone? icon_question.gif
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Bro Looi diversify so much?

Back to basic, let's revisit some old investment story, got 1 uncle bought 1 lot of Pbb shares per month after he get his monthly pay cheque, and he had done it for the last 20 years. Accumulated 12 lots per years for 20 years in a row. he did it consistently without fail, with the Pbb shares dividen distributions, share splits, rights issues and the power of compounded return, he has became a multi millionaires today.

The morale of story is that sometimes we don't hv to be over diversifying. Back to the example, if u think only buying pbb stocks is risky due to over concerntrate, u can replace it with other high dividend income stocks such as buying BAT/Amway for every 5 lots of pbb u buy. Apparently buying one lot of pbb per month is just an example, u may buy 1 lot every quarterly or biannually depending on one's income level. The end of the day is to achieve our financial freedom.

Not to say invest in UT no good, it will slower down your achievement of financial goals due to the higher cost involved. My 2 cents worth of comment.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 12:57 AM)
then lagi pening.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
anyway,...will be studying to reorganizing my portfolio will try to cater US, Europe, Asia ex Jpn, Japan, Emerging Mkt (5 catergories) and will go to Eq 80% (for this 2 years)
I selected this due to the correlation of returns.....any suggestions? anyone? icon_question.gif
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OSK-UOB GEYF smile.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2013, 08:05 AM)
Bro Looi diversify so much?

Back to basic, let's revisit some old investment story, got 1 uncle bought 1 lot of Pbb shares per month after he get his monthly pay cheque, and he had done it for the last 20 years. Accumulated 12 lots per years for 20 years in a row. he did it consistently without fail, with the Pbb shares dividen distributions, share splits, rights issues and the power of compounded return, he has became a multi millionaires today.

The morale of story is that sometimes we don't hv to be over diversifying. Back to the example, if u think only buying pbb stocks is risky due to over concerntrate, u can replace it with other high dividend income stocks such as buying BAT/Amway for every 5 lots of pbb u buy. Apparently buying one lot of pbb per month is just an example, u may buy 1 lot every quarterly or biannually depending on one's income level. The end of the day is to achieve our financial freedom.

Not to say invest in UT no good, it will slower down your achievement of financial goals due to the higher cost involved. My 2 cents worth of comment.
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Finally we have a common ground. smile.gif

I'm accumulating dividend stocks too currently, UTs still have a place in my portfolio for diversification. Aiming for stocks 50/50 UTs portfolio for now.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2013, 08:05 AM)
Bro Looi diversify so much?

Back to basic, let's revisit some old investment story, got 1 uncle bought 1 lot of Pbb shares per month after he get his monthly pay cheque, and he had done it for the last 20 years. Accumulated 12 lots per years for 20 years in a row. he did it consistently without fail, with the Pbb shares dividen distributions, share splits, rights issues and the power of compounded return, he has became a multi millionaires today.

The morale of story is that sometimes we don't hv to be over diversifying. Back to the example, if u think only buying pbb stocks is risky due to over concerntrate, u can replace it with other high dividend income stocks such as buying BAT/Amway for every 5 lots of pbb u buy. Apparently buying one lot of pbb per month is just an example, u may buy 1 lot every quarterly or biannually depending on one's income level. The end of the day is to achieve our financial freedom.

Not to say invest in UT no good, it will slower down your achievement of financial goals due to the higher cost involved. My 2 cents worth of comment.
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Excellent... Not many can afford to follow what uncle been done before. Option to access those good and profitable stocks is via UT.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 9 2013, 10:02 AM)
Where?
U mean past time? Puchong & Sunway Mentari plenty - Pink's the expert tongue.gif

ok ok back to the topic, else moderators nuke me sweat.gif
Anyone here ball-sy enough to go gung-ho and buy/sell to hit a planned Asset Allocation just like that <snaps fingers>?
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say from holding 80% of bonds/cash VS 20% equities,
then just buying/spending down bonds/cash
to hit 30% bonds/cash VS 70% equities?

Personally, my nuts aint made of steel, thus i just whittle-down / re-allocate towards my targeted % within 6 months (if my held % is off by 25% of planned)
ie. plan 6 mths to execute extra purchases/SWITCHING on top of my quarterly die-die value averaging + dollar averaging
Then after the 6 mhs, review again and see how much more if it is still off by 25%

Just thinking any better ways yet not balls-to-the-wall gungho oneshot rebalance?  notworthy.gif
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Sure, can do that., no problem.
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 13 2013, 10:43 AM)
Excellent... Not many can afford to follow what uncle been done before. Option to access those good and profitable stocks is via UT.
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Public Bank, no. Maybank still can do that, with divvy yield of 5% icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(repusez @ Aug 9 2013, 03:30 PM)
what did you guys do to your funds during the 2008 economy downturn ? Sell off your fund , average down or just hang in there? anyone think the next downturn is coming soon?
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In 2008, switch half to money market and then switch back in 2009.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:49 PM)
I know how to differentiate ROI and COCR.
AS1M can't be pledged for OD facility.
I got 8% pa return due to active monthly and quarterly monitoring and switching, otherwise I expect I will only get 4% pa in average. As for other investment I don't hv to do that.
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I would expect you to get more for actively monitoring it. I started about 10 years ago, did not really monitor, just top up every 3 months from EPF, haphazard switching here and there that made my agent dumbfounded at times, switched out a bit late during 2008 and yet still make 10% IRR. One thing is I was almost always 100% in equity funds.

P/S: Sorry, I'm a bit late in catching up with the thread, so some conversations may have moved on.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 13 2013, 11:10 AM)
In 2008, switch half to money market and then switch back in 2009.
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just curious, after how many % drop did you switch to MM?
how do you determine/decide which funds are to be switched?
and how do you decide when to move back in?
and to what asset class?
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 11 2013, 02:06 PM)
We can go on and on because property and UT is 2 different investment. Each has its benefits and weaknesses. All depends on personal preference. If really want to compare, property is also not the investment giving best return. Some business can give 1000% return per year. Property is nothing in comparison  laugh.gif 

We should leave the discussion because it is a thread about FSM. Just like 1 week ago someone went to FD thread and question the FD player how they can beat inflation. That fellow thought those FD players didn't know there are higher returns elsewhere laugh.gif Likewise, it is not appropriate someone go to the Foresta thread and say some other projects can give better returns compare to Foresta.
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You're right, I can go into property anytime but I don't like it, so I'm sticking with UT and stock market.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2013, 08:05 AM)
Bro Looi diversify so much?

Back to basic, let's revisit some old investment story, got 1 uncle bought 1 lot of Pbb shares per month after he get his monthly pay cheque, and he had done it for the last 20 years. Accumulated 12 lots per years for 20 years in a row. he did it consistently without fail, with the Pbb shares dividen distributions, share splits, rights issues and the power of compounded return, he has became a multi millionaires today.

The morale of story is that sometimes we don't hv to be over diversifying. Back to the example, if u think only buying pbb stocks is risky due to over concerntrate, u can replace it with other high dividend income stocks such as buying BAT/Amway for every 5 lots of pbb u buy. Apparently buying one lot of pbb per month is just an example, u may buy 1 lot every quarterly or biannually depending on one's income level. The end of the day is to achieve our financial freedom.

Not to say invest in UT no good, it will slower down your achievement of financial goals due to the higher cost involved. My 2 cents worth of comment.
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thks for the advise..yes it is true, the hidden charges in UT would "EATS" a lot in the long terms
i tried PBB many years back when it was RM 7...it then when up to RM 8.80, i sold all....i guess it was the staying power that i lacked....maybe it was the GREED that i see profits in just a few months....lesson learnt....if you cannot control yourself from greed for profits,....go for those that are not so aggressive...is there any way to overcome /improve on this?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 12 2013, 12:01 AM)
found this forummer at FSM SG: NthDimensions posted this:
#Quote# I think more importantly, you have to ask yourself, what is your game plan?
1) how much losses before cut-loss?
2) will you ever cut loss? or just hold and wait?
3) how much % profit is your target?
4) what is your 6-months plan, 1-year plan, more than 1-year plan, if any?

and then, do you stick with your plan, or adjust it along the way if you see things not going your way, and how would you know things are really not going your way, or is it just a temporary hiccup, do you hold and wait?

it's really your game plan, according to your character, that determines the outcome.
what works for someone else, may not work for you. #unquote#

WOW, that really got me thinking.......
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Are the above questions for UT or stock trading?
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 13 2013, 11:44 AM)
Are the above questions for UT or stock trading?
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it was in FSM SG, then i guess it was for UT. got different?
OOPS,...maybe it should best be applied to stock trading....of UT is longer terms investing.
if removed#4, can it be applied to UT?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:37 AM)
thks for the advise..yes it is true, the hidden charges in UT would "EATS" a lot in the long terms
i tried PBB many years back when it was RM 7...it then when up to RM 8.80, i sold all....i guess it was the staying power that i lacked....maybe it was the GREED that i see profits in just a few months....lesson learnt....if you cannot control yourself from greed for profits,....go for those that are not so aggressive...is there any way to overcome /improve on this?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
just curious, after how many % drop did you switch to MM?
how do you determine/decide which funds are to be switched?
and how do you decide when to move back in?
and to what asset class?
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Awaiting for his answer too. Haha smile.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:37 AM)
thks for the advise..yes it is true, the hidden charges in UT would "EATS" a lot in the long terms
i tried PBB many years back when it was RM 7...it then when up to RM 8.80, i sold all....i guess it was the staying power that i lacked....maybe it was the GREED that i see profits in just a few months....lesson learnt....if you cannot control yourself from greed for profits,....go for those that are not so aggressive...is there any way to overcome /improve on this?
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I believe that there is no right or wrong in terms of sellin off your stocks. Lose money to an extend you will cut lose, when you are satisfy with your profit you sell. There are a lot of 'what if' moments.

My stocks and UT in seperate is yielding more than 8% which is my target % but I ain't selling them because I haven't hold them long enough (and I revised my targeted return a bit higher). It all depends on your intended return you expecting, and you may revise along the way.

Some because of their greed, they hold but in the end they lose money. Some they earn. You cannot predict what will happen next. Yes; you can look at the chart, news etc. but in the end, I believe setting your target return is important. As mentioned earlier, it is alright to revise along the way. Most importantly is know what is your target return. My 2 cent.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2013, 11:56 AM)
I believe that there is no right or wrong in terms of sellin off your stocks. Lose money to an extend you will cut lose, when you are satisfy with your profit you sell. There are a lot of 'what if' moments.

My stocks and UT in seperate is yielding more than 8% which is my target % but I ain't selling them because I haven't hold them long enough (and I revised my targeted return a bit higher). It all depends on your intended return you expecting, and you may revise along the way.

Some because of their greed, they hold but in the end they lose money. Some they earn. You cannot predict what will happen next. Yes; you can look at the chart, news etc. but in the end, I believe setting your target return is important. As mentioned earlier, it is alright to revise all g the way. Most importantly is know what is your target return. My 2 cent.
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When exceed your targeted return you sell...but what if u set your target too low? U lose out.
When it drop below your cut loss you sell...but what if it was on the verge of rebound? U keep waiting and waiting and waiting for the "right" re-entry, u end up losing opportunity cost.

Sometimes it's better to just stick to it (your asset allocation) and go live your life or PM Pinky and ask him bring u go hug amoi at pub wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 11:59 AM)
When exceed your targeted return you sell...but what if u set your target too low? U lose out.
When it drop below your cut loss you sell...but what if it was on the verge of rebound? U keep waiting and waiting and waiting for the "right" re-entry, u end up losing opportunity cost.

Sometimes it's better to just stick to it (your asset allocation) and go live your life or PM Pinky and ask him bring u go hug amoi at pub wink.gif
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Addressing your first paragraph, I view it as 2 seperate scenario. "Right" re-entry price, now.. Would you buy in a US fund now.. I'm VERY SURE it will drop further. So what opportunity cost? I would wait rather than making a loss you know will happen and average down again. Maybe that's me.

Your concern is WHAT IF you set your targeted return too low, and you sell way too early. Thats each to their own right? Some intend to hold long term like you, someone like me like to hold 3-4 years max, and some short term. Yklooi didn't mention UT, so short term does apply here. Same goes to selling. Some drop 10% and they cannot take it, you cut loss. Some like us we average down.

Once again, I believe there is no yes or no answer here. Some may be greedy and set higher return, some may set lower. For example, last month when HSAQ was at their highest, some people may opt to lock their profit. Some may choose to hold. In the end, they profited from it while we are still waiting for it to goes back to that level.

That's why I mentioned that people can revise their intend cut lose point and target return along the way. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pink.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 11:48 AM)
My MD taught me (when I told him that I lost faith in stocks after losing money), just buy quality stocks, and live your life. Just read the financial results announcements every week or so to monitor. NEVER LOOK AT THE CHARTS.
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 13 2013, 10:43 AM)
Excellent... Not many can afford to follow what uncle been done before. Option to access those good and profitable stocks is via UT.
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Why u say that? everyone can have access to buy stock direct.
If full lot is too exp, u can buy odd lots like 0.2, 0.5, or save enough until can buy a full lot.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2013, 12:11 PM)
Addressing your first paragraph, I view it as 2 seperate scenario. "Right" re-entry price, now.. Would you buy in a US fund now.. I'm VERY SURE it will drop further. So what opportunity cost? I would wait rather than making a loss you know will happen and average down again. Maybe that's me.

Your concern is WHAT IF you set your targeted return too low, and you sell way too early. Thats each to their own right? Some intend to hold long term like you, someone like me like to hold 3-4 years max, and some short term. Yklooi didn't mention UT, so short term does apply here. Same goes to selling. Some drop 10% and they cannot take it, you cut loss. Some like us we average down.

Once again, I believe there is no yes or no answer here. Some may be greedy and set higher return, some may set lower. For example, last month when HSAQ was at their highest, some people may opt to lock their profit. Some may choose to hold. In the end, they profited from it while we are still waiting for it to goes back to that level.

That's why I mentioned that people can revise their intend cut lose point and target return along the way. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pink.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:37 AM)
thks for the advise..yes it is true, the hidden charges in UT would "EATS" a lot in the long terms
i tried PBB many years back when it was RM 7...it then when up to RM 8.80, i sold all....i guess it was the staying power that i lacked....maybe it was the GREED that i see profits in just a few months....lesson learnt....if you cannot control yourself from greed for profits,....go for those that are not so aggressive...is there any way to overcome /improve on this?
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Assuming invest PBB stocks is considered invest direct, also
assuming invest via Public Mutual is considered invest INDIRECT in stocks.

PM is fully owned by PBB. So when u pay 5.5% initial charge and all the annual charges to invest, PM make profit and this profit contribute to PBB investors without fail, so PBB investors make money from selling of UT indirectly by PM. That is why I like to be as a PBB direct stock investor, every time some1 buy PM funds, I "share" the profit.

Similarly, FSM is owned by OSK Investment Bank Bhd and a foreign party...if FSM making good money, I will rather invest in OSK Holding's stock in Bursa.



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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 01:57 AM)
then lagi pening.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
anyway,...will be studying to reorganizing my portfolio will try to cater US, Europe, Asia ex Jpn, Japan, Emerging Mkt (5 catergories) and will go to Eq 80% (for this 2 years)
I selected this due to the correlation of returns.....any suggestions? anyone? icon_question.gif
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Wow.. going 80% in EQ in 2 years time? I thought you are approaching retirement age? Can take the risk?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 09:26 AM)
Finally we have a common ground. smile.gif
I'm accumulating dividend stocks too currently, UTs still have a place in my portfolio for diversification. Aiming for stocks 50/50 UTs portfolio for now.
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UT is still a good tool for investment that retail investors has no access to.
Like Bonds, foreign stocks and commodities.
Just need to watch out on the investment cost.

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 13 2013, 12:37 PM)
Wow.. going 80% in EQ in 2 years time? I thought you are approaching retirement age? Can take the risk?
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what i said was intent to go 80%EQ for 2 years (because i dun see prospect in bond in this 1 or 2 years except as a portfolio stabilizer which btw is not working well,...looking at the results of Balanced funds)
was thinking of switching out some bullets from bond/balanced funds to hunt for 2 years) will review again condition in 18 mths.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
just curious, after how many % drop did you switch to MM?
how do you determine/decide which funds are to be switched?
and how do you decide when to move back in?
and to what asset class?
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I think I mentioned this before in the previous thread versions. I was not monitoring my UT and when my agent told me my profit was already down 20% then only I switched half to MM. My profit (ROI) before that was about 70-80%. Switching back was easy as I was monitoring US market at that time for my stocks and when the market starts rising again, I switch back into equity in March 2009. Knowing what I know today, I would have switched to MM much earlier.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 11:46 AM)
it was in FSM SG, then i guess it was for UT. got different?
OOPS,...maybe it should best be applied to stock trading....of UT is longer terms investing.
if removed#4, can it be applied to UT?
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Do we ever cut loss in UT? Most would buy and hold and perform DCA/VCA when down. Profit target? Would hold long term, so IRR target count as profit target? I think hafiz (?? sorry forgot his name) from CWA Penang have profit target.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 13 2013, 01:27 PM)
Do we ever cut loss in UT? Most would buy and hold and perform DCA/VCA when down. Profit target? Would hold long term, so IRR target count as profit target? I think hafiz (?? sorry forgot his name) from CWA Penang have profit target.
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switch to other asset class can be considered as cut loss?
switching to other asset class/region where mkt valuation is "cheap" when one feel that the current invested region/class have too high mkt PE valuation can be considered as profit target?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2013, 12:11 PM)
Addressing your first paragraph, I view it as 2 seperate scenario. "Right" re-entry price, now.. Would you buy in a US fund now.. I'm VERY SURE it will drop further. So what opportunity cost? I would wait rather than making a loss you know will happen and average down again. Maybe that's me.

Your concern is WHAT IF you set your targeted return too low, and you sell way too early. Thats each to their own right? Some intend to hold long term like you, someone like me like to hold 3-4 years max, and some short term. Yklooi didn't mention UT, so short term does apply here. Same goes to selling. Some drop 10% and they cannot take it, you cut loss. Some like us we average down.

Once again, I believe there is no yes or no answer here. Some may be greedy and set higher return, some may set lower. For example, last month when HSAQ was at their highest, some people may opt to lock their profit. Some may choose to hold. In the end, they profited from it while we are still waiting for it to goes back to that level.

That's why I mentioned that people can revise their intend cut lose point and target return along the way. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pink.
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I think UT is not suitable for short term investment, best to do that with stock. If you can time the market with UT, you can do that with stock market as well and with better return. My money once invested in UT never go out, always in UT as it is for my retirement. I have stock market for short term trading/investment.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2013, 12:42 PM)
UT is still a good tool for investment that retail investors has no access to.
Like Bonds, foreign stocks and commodities.
Just need to watch out on the investment cost.
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for small time investors like me, the capital required to obtain exposure to foreign markets (US, Europe, GEMs) is simply prohibitive. Thus, UTs are the way to go. Just like recently when Ringgit tumbled, my foreign-based UTs rallied. smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 13 2013, 12:11 PM)
Addressing your first paragraph, I view it as 2 seperate scenario. "Right" re-entry price, now.. Would you buy in a US fund now.. I'm VERY SURE it will drop further. So what opportunity cost? I would wait rather than making a loss you know will happen and average down again. Maybe that's me.

Your concern is WHAT IF you set your targeted return too low, and you sell way too early. Thats each to their own right? Some intend to hold long term like you, someone like me like to hold 3-4 years max, and some short term. Yklooi didn't mention UT, so short term does apply here. Same goes to selling. Some drop 10% and they cannot take it, you cut loss. Some like us we average down.

Once again, I believe there is no yes or no answer here. Some may be greedy and set higher return, some may set lower. For example, last month when HSAQ was at their highest, some people may opt to lock their profit. Some may choose to hold. In the end, they profited from it while we are still waiting for it to goes back to that level.

That's why I mentioned that people can revise their intend cut lose point and target return along the way. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pink.
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The "right" entry price may not come after all, so, I'd rather slowly enter rather than wait for the "right" entry point. I'm still VCA-ing into OSK-UOB GEY which has up to 49% US exposure. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 13 2013, 12:37 PM)
Assuming invest PBB stocks is considered invest direct, also
assuming invest via Public Mutual is considered invest INDIRECT in stocks.

PM is fully owned by PBB. So when u pay 5.5% initial charge and all the annual charges to invest, PM make profit and this profit contribute to PBB investors without fail, so PBB investors make money from selling of UT indirectly by PM. That is why I like to be as a PBB direct stock investor, every time some1 buy PM funds, I "share" the profit.

Similarly, FSM is owned by OSK Investment Bank Bhd and a foreign party...if FSM making good money, I will rather invest in OSK Holding's stock in Bursa.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 13 2013, 01:35 PM)
switch to other asset class can be considered as cut loss?
switching to other asset class/region where mkt valuation is "cheap" when one feel that the current invested region/class have too high mkt PE valuation can be considered as profit target?
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I think it depend on individual interpretation. For me cut loss means selling it back to cash. My portfolio IRR calculation will always include the losses I made on every funds that I ever own, so I'm still carrying the loss. If I sell to cash and then reinvest again, it is a brand new investment with a fresh IRR calculation. For profit target, one would sell/switch if reach target to lock the profit, but switching because the other funds have better return potential... hmm.gif I would not consider that as reaching profit target but more on portfolio rebalancing/adjustment.

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I think it depend on individual interpretation. For me cut loss means selling it back to cash. My portfolio IRR calculation will always include the losses I made on every funds that I ever own, so I'm still carrying the loss. If I sell to cash and then reinvest again, it is a brand new investment with a fresh IRR calculation. For profit target, one would sell/switch if reach target to lock the profit, but switching because the other funds have better return potential...  hmm.gif I would not consider that as reaching profit target but more on portfolio rebalancing/adjustment.
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Cut loss, or more specifically stop loss in trading terminology is quite specific in meaning.

Cut loss/stop loss means that when you sell (or buy, depending on the instrument), you set your losses in concrete. If you had not sold/bought, your losses are only on paper, and you recoup your paper losses when the instrument recovers. If you had sold before the instrument recovers, your losses remain as losses no matter what.

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i saw newspaper say next year interest rate hike, wat kind of impact might have? is it interest rate for loan?
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i saw newspaper say next year interest rate hike, wat kind of impact might have? is it interest rate for loan?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 13 2013, 09:26 AM)
Finally we have a common ground. smile.gif

I'm accumulating dividend stocks too currently, UTs still have a place in my portfolio for diversification. Aiming for stocks 50/50 UTs portfolio for now.
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hey me too rclxms.gif which stock is in your target list now? m looking for stocks with consistent 6% dividend.

my current Stocks to UT portfolio is around 70/30.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 13 2013, 01:38 PM)
I think UT is not suitable for short term investment, best to do that with stock. If you can time the market with UT, you can do that with stock market as well and with better return. My money once invested in UT never go out, always in UT as it is for my retirement. I have stock market for short term trading/investment.
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When I said that, I wasn't referring to UT alone. yklooi didn't specifically said UT.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 14 2013, 12:06 AM)
hey me too rclxms.gif  which stock is in your target list now? m looking for stocks with consistent 6% dividend.

my current Stocks to UT portfolio is around 70/30.
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Not much targets atm, maybe Maybank, Sunway REIT...

In my bag got:
APM | Apollo | Carlsberg | Classic Scenic | Hup Seng | IGB REIT | JT International | Nestle

Most already went up...not gonna top up anytime soon unless got significant drop
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 09:18 AM)
Not much targets atm, maybe Maybank, Sunway REIT...

In my bag got:
APM | Apollo | Carlsberg | Classic Scenic | Hup Seng | IGB REIT | JT International | Nestle

Most already went up...not gonna top up anytime soon unless got significant drop
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pinky now a stock Consultant

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 14 2013, 09:24 AM)
pinky now a stock Consultant
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No lar Felix, I'm very noob when it comes to stocks. I just buy companies that I believe will do well, buy and hold for divvies. This approach will be slow to make money. notworthy.gif
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No lar Felix, I'm very noob when it comes to stocks. I just buy companies that I believe will do well, buy and hold for divvies. This approach will be slow to make money. notworthy.gif
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70 stock 30 UT, you withdraw your UT ?

I also do the same, withdraw from UT put in stock.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 14 2013, 09:28 AM)
70 stock 30 UT, you withdraw your UT ?

I also do the same, withdraw from UT put in stock.
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70/30 is pisces88 lar, I'm still about stocks 1/2 UTs. slowly targeting 50/50

I withdraw from my UT bond fund nod.gif

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70/30 is pisces88 lar, I'm still about stocks 1/2 UTs. slowly targeting 50/50

I withdraw from my UT bond fund nod.gif
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Pink Spider ah pink, wave.gif I also wanna open an account liao. You think trading better or FSM better? Trading I know is open at bank la, FSM pulok?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 14 2013, 09:28 AM)
70 stock 30 UT, you withdraw your UT ?

I also do the same, withdraw from UT put in stock.
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biggrin.gif it was me.. bfore i was exposed to UT, i was only investing in stocks.. then now i dont top up on stocks anymore (although still monitor daily, will go in soon), only top up UT.

My UT cannot withdraw, mostly - return.. coz i only started few months back.. hehe
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 09:18 AM)
Not much targets atm, maybe Maybank, Sunway REIT...

In my bag got:
APM | Apollo | Carlsberg | Classic Scenic | Hup Seng | IGB REIT | JT International | Nestle

Most already went up...not gonna top up anytime soon unless got significant drop
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wow mostly blue chips biggrin.gif

what are the div % from those stocks on average? if you bought it few years back, i think capital appreciation at least 30% liao?
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QUOTE(Cattitude @ Aug 14 2013, 09:57 AM)
Pink Spider ah pink, wave.gif I also wanna open an account liao. You think trading better or FSM better? Trading I know is open at bank la, FSM pulok?
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u mean account for Stock or UT? UT of course FSM la, low sales charge ma biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 14 2013, 10:22 AM)
u mean account for Stock or UT? UT of course FSM la, low sales charge ma  biggrin.gif
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Pink Spider ah pink, wave.gif I also wanna open an account liao. You think trading better or FSM better? Trading I know is open at bank la, FSM pulok?
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Please click link at Post #1

If u dun have the know-how, better UT. Trading stocks is not for everyone, just like judi. Unless u wanna do like me, buy and hold dividend stocks, itu lain cerita.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 14 2013, 10:20 AM)
wow mostly blue chips  biggrin.gif

what are the div % from those stocks on average? if you bought it few years back, i think capital appreciation at least 30% liao?
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ROI I don't keep track. IRR is about 30%+

Divvy yield on average 5% I think, no really keep track of it

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 10:28 AM)
Please click link at Post #1

If u dun have the know-how, better UT. Trading stocks is not for everyone, just like judi. Unless u wanna do like me, buy and hold dividend stocks, itu lain cerita.
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what is the full name of UT? buy and hold dividend stocks means buy those stocks that pay dividend monthly or quarterly liao? I see hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Cattitude @ Aug 14 2013, 10:29 AM)
what is the full name of UT? buy and hold dividend stocks means buy those stocks that pay dividend monthly or quarterly liao? I see  hmm.gif
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- pays regular divvies (whether annual, bi-annual, quarterly, as long as regular)
- has a consistent history of divvy payouts
- dividend yield AT LEAST matches FD rate

E.g. Maybank, Digi, Maxs, any REITs, BAT, Carlsberg etc etc etc

UT = unit trust

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 10:34 AM)
my definasi of divvy stocks:
- pays regular divvies (whether annual, bi-annual, quarterly, as long as regular)
- has a consistent history of divvy payouts
- dividend yield AT LEAST matches FD rate

E.g. Maybank, Digi, Maxs, any REITs, BAT, Carlsberg etc etc etc

UT = unit trust
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1. How to discover those stocks that pay divvies regularly?
2. The consistent payouts check at their annual report or online reviews?
3. The yield their higher the better? some say achieve >6% will be greater o/w put FD je. is it?

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1. How to discover those stocks that pay divvies regularly?
2. The consistent payouts check at their annual report or online reviews?
3. The yield their higher the better? some say achieve >6% will be greater o/w put FD je. is it?
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1 & 2 - read their Bursa announcements
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...#/?category=all

3. No free lunch in this world, usualy companies that pay VERY HIGH yield means (a)no growth geh company and/or (b)high risk

oi ini FSM tered, mau belajar stocks go Stock investment tered laugh.gif
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what is the full name of UT? buy and hold dividend stocks means buy those stocks that pay dividend monthly or quarterly liao? I see  hmm.gif
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i think out of topic liao tongue.gif

anyway, dividend usually payout 3 months or 6 months. anything more than 4% is okay actually, coz stocks with good fundamentals will eventually go up.. div + capital appreciation brows.gif

you can learn more on stock investing in the relevant threads smile.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 13 2013, 09:18 PM)
Cut loss, or more specifically stop loss in trading terminology is quite specific in meaning.

Cut loss/stop loss means that when you sell (or buy, depending on the instrument), you set your losses in concrete. If you had not sold/bought, your losses are only on paper, and you recoup your paper losses when the instrument recovers. If you had sold before the instrument recovers, your losses remain as losses no matter what.
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I know what it mean for normal trading, I just treat it differently with my UT investment. As long as I don't sell it for cash, I don't consider it as cut loss but merely switching to other fund that will give me better return than the non-performing fund since there is no bid-ask spread like stock. Someone else might consider this as cut loss but I don't. That's all.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 14 2013, 12:06 AM)
hey me too rclxms.gif  which stock is in your target list now? m looking for stocks with consistent 6% dividend.

my current Stocks to UT portfolio is around 70/30.
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Wah lau weh... my ratio is like 85% UT to 15% stock.
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Wah lau weh... my ratio is like 85% UT to 15% stock.
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haha.. means your UT $$ is alot.. tongue.gif
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Today I am blur, talking nonsense!
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wahlau.. FSM platinum means 3/4 of a million cash. Somemore got properties, cars, stocks, gold, forex.. hehehe

Today I am blur, talking nonsense!
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go for nicotine break lor whistling.gif
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hope next year, 3-4 days a pack

then 2 years from now.. no more nicotine!!!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 14 2013, 01:49 PM)
try cutting it la... 2 days a pack

hope next year, 3-4 days a pack

then 2 years from now.. no more nicotine!!!
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On usual days I only smoke 3-4 sticks

But when I go pub...half a pack gone! rclxms.gif
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On usual days I only smoke 3-4 sticks

But when I go pub...half a pack gone! rclxms.gif
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I must learn from you...

Hey... when wanna go pub!!!!?

Yesterday OSKUOB Gold and General up 13%, crazy!!!!
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I must learn from you...

Hey... when wanna go pub!!!!?

Yesterday OSKUOB Gold and General up 13%, crazy!!!!
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The pubs I go will musnahkan your rumahtangga...so, no! laugh.gif

why u track that fund? U got buy meh blink.gif

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wahlau.. FSM platinum means 3/4 of a million cash. Somemore got properties, cars, stocks, gold, forex.. hehehe

Today I am blur, talking nonsense!
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rclxub.gif You mabuk already issit. FSM just silver status only. PM also just gold only.
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Wow wow wow

For the 1st time ever, my portfolio summary got NO RED COLOUR rclxms.gif
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Wow wow wow

For the 1st time ever, my portfolio summary got NO RED COLOUR rclxms.gif
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The pubs I go will musnahkan your rumahtangga...so, no! laugh.gif

why u track that fund? U got buy meh blink.gif
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Last time I buy, I sold 80% of it. Now still got few hundred on this fund....
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On usual days I only smoke 3-4 sticks

But when I go pub...half a pack gone! rclxms.gif
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I know one of my colleagues smoke 3 packs (20 ciggies per pack) a day.. even at night wake up smoke then go back to bed, when eating chew while puffing cigarette in mouth. tongue.gif

I ask him go take lung x-ray he say don't want. sweat.gif

Ciggy business sure ho seh... with these people around thumbup.gif

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Wow wow wow

For the 1st time ever, my portfolio summary got NO RED COLOUR rclxms.gif
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hmm.gif the portfolio summary in FSM can change color meh?
for the past 3 months my is only RED....my LCD screen spoilt? he-he rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Wow wow wow

For the 1st time ever, my portfolio summary got NO RED COLOUR rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 14 2013, 04:56 PM)
I know one of my colleagues smoke 3 packs (20 ciggies per pack) a day.. even at night wake up smoke then go back to bed, when eating chew while puffing cigarette in mouth.  tongue.gif

I ask him go take lung x-ray he say don't want.  sweat.gif

Ciggy business sure ho seh...  with these people around thumbup.gif
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Unker, u no layan my earlier question cry.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 6 2013, 09:05 AM)
Fund-specific questions ok, but basic questions that can be easily answered by referring to FAQs on Post #1 makes me rage tongue.gif

gark I'm wondering, a conservatively-built stock portfolio, buy-and-hold VS a MY equity fund (which can raise cash level at times) VS a Balanced fund (which can have bonds and cash)

Siapa akan menang in the long term (>10 years) hmm.gif

I'm asking this bcos, I calculate IRR for my stock portfolio on the stocks only, cash are disregarded (cos its quite minimal and I raise/reduce it quite often), the bond fund that I use to hedge the stock returns are evaluated separately (cos it's not purely as stock hedge, it's also part of my cash reserve for emergencies). Wondering should I consolidate all 3 in calculating IRR hmm.gif

Sorry ar guys, off-topic kejap tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 05:11 PM)
Unker, u no layan my earlier question cry.gif
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hv to go off now,...
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SORRY, which one? may hv missed.
hv to go off now,...
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The pubs I go will musnahkan your rumahtangga...so, no! laugh.gif

why u track that fund? U got buy meh blink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 6 2013, 09:05 AM)
Fund-specific questions ok, but basic questions that can be easily answered by referring to FAQs on Post #1 makes me rage tongue.gif

gark I'm wondering, a conservatively-built stock portfolio, buy-and-hold VS a MY equity fund (which can raise cash level at times) VS a Balanced fund (which can have bonds and cash)

Siapa akan menang in the long term (>10 years) hmm.gif

I'm asking this bcos, I calculate IRR for my stock portfolio on the stocks only, cash are disregarded (cos its quite minimal and I raise/reduce it quite often), the bond fund that I use to hedge the stock returns are evaluated separately (cos it's not purely as stock hedge, it's also part of my cash reserve for emergencies). Wondering should I consolidate all 3 in calculating IRR hmm.gif

Sorry ar guys, off-topic kejap tongue.gif
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Aih did not see that...


IF you are looking at very long term, which is >10 years...

I would say both Buy and Hold and Equity Fund will typically generate IRR of 8%-10% on AVERAGE. This has been proven in a lot of studies (provided you do not buy lump sum at peak). Buy and hold have advantage of 1.5% of management fees excluded, so a little bit of extra advantage gains.

In the long run (when I say long run means long run ah...means you buy even though stock crash and don't sell out ah) the above will likely beat both a bond and balanced fund.

Look at it this way...historically...(average of >50 years)

Equity - Capital Gain - IRR 8-12% (over long term)
Dividend Stocks - Dividend Gain - IRR 5-8%
Bond Fund & FD - Interest Gain - IRR 3-6%

But you cannot just chase gain, you must have some stability in which bond and FD will give you a peace of mind. So you cannot allocate 100% to equity. If you can take a 50% drop within 1 year (average drop in most downturn), then by all means go for 100% equity, if not then add bond accordingly until you feel comfortable. Buy and hold only IF the fundamentals remains intact!

But that being said, buying equity is much more difficult, hence more mistakes will be made. Buying at the wrong time will spell doom, so buy often and buy at dips, and most important buy with fundamentals. Never ever show hand in investment.... no matter how confident you think, black swan event can happen. You can minimize buy and hold risk and volatility by no holding more than 10% of each counter. rolleyes.gif

As a portfolio, you should take blended IRR of all components, no point separating each one as each item in your portfolio has a duty to perform, some are warriors (equity) and some are defenders (bond). Sometimes you need to keep some reserve warriors/defenders (cash) in case of breakthrough by the enemy. An imbalance depending on wrong strategy can be bloody, actually Sun Tzu can be applicable to investment..... laugh.gif

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Wow wow wow

For the 1st time ever, my portfolio summary got NO RED COLOUR rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 14 2013, 04:58 PM)
Steady.. steady...  tongue.gif
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My portfolio also all GREEN including OSK-UOB EMB fund.
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Same here; even my PGSF also +2% ROI
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Mine total return now Green too although portfolio mostly Red

Should I just buy in EI GEM Fund~ price going up now....
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just open FSM account!!! What should i do next??
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Most of my fund still in red, except HSAQF and HSAOF.
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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 14 2013, 07:36 PM)
Aih did not see that...
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But I lost all date and transaction data for my cash in trust account doh.gif

QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 08:55 PM)
just open FSM account!!! What should i do next??
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Go research on the funds available and take your picks? biggrin.gif
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But I lost all date and transaction data for my cash in trust account doh.gif
Go research on the funds available and take your picks? biggrin.gif
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yea, i know smile.gif but FUND in FSM seem to complicated. i am so used to PM..
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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:18 PM)
yea, i know smile.gif but FUND in FSM seem to complicated. i am so used to PM..
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I see PM I lagi pening, cos got so many funds doh.gif

Use the Fund Selector under Fund Info to shortlist according to category.

But, my advice is, direct your question (just open FSM account!!! What should i do next??) to FSM Client Investment Specialist icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 08:55 PM)
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first read page #1 of this thread, CLICK under What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - Understanding Unit Trusts
http://www.fimm.com.my/contents.asp?id=100...0030&zid=100008
start with ABC of unit trusts

then do a simple risk profile test to see how a risk taker are you (do it honestly)
a sample : http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/?r...filer&pageid=26

then study these

1) portfolio consideration:
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/inves...ntportfolio.tpl?
2) recommended funds:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All
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3) Star rating of region/countries:
page 3 of
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...pdf_Summary.pdf

then decide for yourself

fyi: I did the investment by rear view mirror style
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...&articleNo=7018
and found that i needed to reorganize my whole portfolio.....costly mistake one would say

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 09:26 PM)
I see PM I lagi pening, cos got so many funds doh.gif

Use the Fund Selector under Fund Info to shortlist according to category.

But, my advice is, direct your question (just open FSM account!!! What should i do next??) to FSM Client Investment Specialist icon_rolleyes.gif
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from live chat with FSM client investment specialist?

is it for real those RECOMMENDED FUND at FSM got return around 200% for 5yrs (Hwang select asia (ex japan)quantum fund)

i see those fund realy performing, do you guys make high profit INVESTING FSM?
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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:33 PM)
is it for real those RECOMMENDED FUND at FSM got return around 200% for 5yrs (Hwang select asia (ex japan)quantum fund)
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I think the answer is "YES" but please be reminded that

Investment Disclaimer
Investors are advised that unit prices and distributions payable, if any, may go down as well as up. There are fees and charges involved and investors are advised to consider the fees and charges before investing in the Fund. Past performance of the Fund is not an indication of future performance.


While it is always tempting (and popular) to pile into past winners, history is fraught with examples of how such an approach has ended in tears for the investor. For example, investors who bought Japanese stocks in December 1989 on the back of a 19.5% annualised 10-year return saw a -6.9% annualised loss on the investment over the next decade (see Table 1). These investors clearly failed to note some warning signs like the Japanese market's exuberant 70.6X PE (as of end-December 1989) and 5.4X PB ratio, a hefty increase from the 23.3X PE ratio and 2.2X PB ratio observed in a decade earlier in December 1979. In more recent history, investors who ignored warnings about buying overvalued technology companies in late 1999 received a -6.1% annualised return over the subsequent decade. In this respect, we maintain that a strong focus on valuations remains a key consideration in the assessment of any investment.

Table 1: Selected Historical Market "Bubbles"
Market Index Date 10-year return (p.a.) Subsequent 10-year returns (p.a.)
Japan Nikkei 225 31-Dec-89 19.5% -6.9%
Taiwan Taiwan Taiex 31-Jan-90 36.2% -2.1%
Technology Nasdaq 100 31-Dec-99 32.4% -6.1%

Source: Bloomberg, iFAST compilations; returns in index currency terms

from: http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...&articleNo=7018

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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:33 PM)
from live chat with FSM client investment specialist?

is it for real those RECOMMENDED FUND at FSM got return around 200% for 5yrs (Hwang select asia (ex japan)quantum fund)

i see those fund realy performing, do you guys make high profit INVESTING FSM?
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It's not really FSM per se, but strong HwangIM fund management. tongue.gif

Some HwangIM funds have stellar historical performance, especially
Select Opportunity
Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum

Live Help is for general enquiries, to CISs are not available real-time online.

Tomorrow u talk to Live Help, ask them how to get in touch with CIS? wink.gif

FSM customer service is great, feel free to ask them ANYTHING, don't be shy. brows.gif

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sorry i am new for FSM. is FSM safe to invest in?
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reading this may answer some %
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=998
but I would suggest you ask them
clienthelp.my@fundsupermart.com
and tell us the answer, will you.

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hmm.gif I personally can't say
ask them
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but then, of course they will say yes ma.
I TRUST u guys more...
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but then, of course they will say yes ma.
I TRUST u guys more...
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but we / some of us may also be part of them lor rolleyes.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2013, 09:43 PM)
It's not really FSM per se, but strong HwangIM fund management. tongue.gif

Some HwangIM funds have stellar historical performance, especially
Select Opportunity
Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum

Live Help is for general enquiries, to CISs are not available real-time online.

Tomorrow u talk to Live Help, ask them how to get in touch with CIS? wink.gif

FSM customer service is great, feel free to ask them ANYTHING, don't be shy. brows.gif
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Thanks mate. u guys are so helpful and knowledgeable.. smile.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 14 2013, 09:41 PM)
I think the answer is "YES" but please be reminded that

Investment Disclaimer
Investors are advised that unit prices and distributions payable, if any, may go down as well as up. There are fees and charges involved and investors are advised to consider the fees and charges before investing in the Fund. Past performance of the Fund is not an indication of future performance.
While it is always tempting (and popular) to pile into past winners, history is fraught with examples of how such an approach has ended in tears for the investor. For example, investors who bought Japanese stocks in December 1989 on the back of a 19.5% annualised 10-year return saw a -6.9% annualised loss on the investment over the next decade (see Table 1). These investors clearly failed to note some warning signs like the Japanese market's exuberant 70.6X PE (as of end-December 1989) and 5.4X PB ratio, a hefty increase from the 23.3X PE ratio and 2.2X PB ratio observed in a decade earlier in December 1979. In more recent history, investors who ignored warnings about buying overvalued technology companies in late 1999 received a -6.1% annualised return over the subsequent decade. In this respect, we maintain that a strong focus on valuations remains a key consideration in the assessment of any investment.

Table 1: Selected Historical Market "Bubbles"
Market Index          Date 10-year return (p.a.)        Subsequent 10-year returns (p.a.)
Japan Nikkei 225      31-Dec-89    19.5%                          -6.9%
Taiwan Taiwan Taiex 31-Jan-90      36.2%                          -2.1%
Technology Nasdaq 100 31-Dec-99 32.4%                            6.1%

Source: Bloomberg, iFAST compilations; returns in index currency terms

from: http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...&articleNo=7018
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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:55 PM)
but then, of course they will say yes ma.
I TRUST u guys more...
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See Post #1

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").
Now OSK Investment Banking is taken over by RHB Group AFAIK.
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I want to sell off my CIMB Australia Equity fund since it's above 0.3000 level.

I have no confidence over AUD and upcoming election. On top of that, the slowing China will affect Australia export.
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Monthly Global Market update August 2013

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/ar..._HK_AUG_FSM.pdf
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 14 2013, 10:45 PM)
Monthly Global Market update August 2013

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/ar..._HK_AUG_FSM.pdf
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Dang.... that's a good "publication" - PEs tracking all one glance drool.gif
Thank U.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 14 2013, 10:28 PM)
I want to sell off my CIMB Australia Equity fund since it's above 0.3000 level.

I have no confidence over AUD and upcoming election. On top of that, the slowing China will affect Australia export.
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some opposite "noise" 8 Aug 2013

Concluding comments
The historical record points to the strong chance of a post election share market bounce. This may also fit in as we
move out of the September quarter, which is often the weakest of the year, into the normally strong December
quarter, as the profits reporting season ends in Australia and as uncertainty is removed post a possible September
decision by the US Federal Reserve to start tapering its monetary stimulus.
Another potential positive from the election is that it is likely to see the end of minority government in Australia as
whoever wins is likely to have a clear majority in the House of Reps. This could help usher in a period of more certain
and rational policy making. However, it’s not guaranteed as whoever wins may still not have control of the Senate.
Dr Shane Oliver
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=7017
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still have + news for those holding M'sia funds??

Wednesday, August 14, 2013
The Fitch Rating Downgrade: Much Ado About Nothing
http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2013/08/...h-ado.html#more

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When asia ex japan will fly?? Wait long long already laugh.gif
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When asia ex japan will fly?? Wait long long already  laugh.gif
So underperformed.
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 13 2013, 11:16 PM)
Yes... I read the story in the news as it was still expecting by local economist from banking and investment sector.... Once BLR increased as per OPR rates.... It will apply to many types of loan except fixed rates loan. As such housing loan, ASB loan, Personal loan and etc. will imposed higher rates and to some extent it increased the monthly debt payment. It will also increased the earning for savings and fd account. The bank share price also perhaps will increased as well as they get more profits.
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oh then jialat lo... all loan increase, higher housing, cars, living cost.. FD increase, means bond will drop lo?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 15 2013, 08:46 AM)
still underperform kah? mean HAQ will still be flying lo? haha..
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HQAF NAV as of yesterday is 1.3301 (August 13, 2013).

Its highest NAV is 1.3347 on May 29, 2013.

Asia ex Japan valuation is still low if compared fair PE of 14.

Asia ex Japan (MSCI Asia ex Japan): 2013 PE: 11.5 2014 PE: 10.2 2015 PE: 9.3

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 15 2013, 09:10 AM)
HQAF NAV as of yesterday is 1.3301 (August 13, 2013).

Its highest NAV is 1.3347 on May 29, 2013.

Asia ex Japan valuation is still low if compared fair PE of 14.

Asia ex Japan (MSCI Asia ex Japan): 2013 PE: 11.5 2014 PE: 10.2 2015 PE: 9.3
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ermm, i tot PE high mean higher expectation in earning growth?
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AmApac Reits want to sell partial or not? Move the money to Asia ex Japan or Aberdeen world fund
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I'll sell it off once it reaches 8% of my ROI. laugh.gif
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I'll sell it off once it reaches 8% of my ROI. laugh.gif
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That is a long way to go seeing the current QE issue
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That is a long way to go seeing the current QE issue
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 15 2013, 11:24 AM)
My current ROI as per Tuesday NAV is 6.84%
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ah.. that is good. Mine is hovering around 0%
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how do you calculate your ROI?

example, if invest RM1,000, return of 8% means if the total NAV gives you RM1,080, then does it mean the target achieved?
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how do you calculate your ROI?

example, if invest RM1,000, return of 8% means if the total NAV gives you RM1,080, then does it mean the target achieved?
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yes.. that is simple ROI calculation.

I will use IRR to check if my target is achieved or not.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 15 2013, 11:59 AM)
how do you calculate your ROI?

example, if invest RM1,000, return of 8% means if the total NAV gives you RM1,080, then does it mean the target achieved?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 15 2013, 12:15 PM)
yes.. that is simple ROI calculation.

I will use IRR to check if my target is achieved or not.
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My AmAsia Pac REITs IRR barely 2% laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 01:16 PM)
My AmAsia Pac REITs IRR barely 2% laugh.gif

Later if more bad news on QE tapering, I'd top up icon_idea.gif
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Why buy REIT fund when it is so easy to buy REITs directly?

REITs is all about yield, diversifying the yield would not have much protection as they are the same class. One sneeze all drop. You can get similar exposure if you buy MY/SG REIT.

AND don't forget they have 1.5%-2.0% management fee.. essentially your DY will drop from ~5% to ~3%. That's a big fat total of 40% of your dividend... rolleyes.gif

Is it worth it? wink.gif

IMHO UT is more suited for capital gain rather than DY as illustrated above. tongue.gif Bond fund however makes sense because usually the minimum purchase of individual bond is min 100k-1mil, so a bond fund helps small investor entering the asset class. No such case for REIT as you can buy $1000 of REIT easily.

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 02:51 PM)
Why buy REIT fund when it is so easy to buy REITs directly?

REITs is all about yield, diversifying the yield would not have much protection as they are the same class. One sneeze all drop. You can get similar exposure if you buy MY/SG REIT.

AND don't forget they have 1.5%-2.0% management fee.. essentially your DY will drop from ~5% to ~3%. That's a total 40% of your dividend...  rolleyes.gif

Is it worth it?  wink.gif

IMHO UT is more suited for capital gain rather than DY as illustrated above.  tongue.gif Bond fund however makes sense because usually the minimum purchase of individual bond is min 100k-1mil, so a UT for it help small investor entering the asset class. No such case for REIT as you can buy $1000 of REIT easily.
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But...with my kecikmeow capital...buy SGREIT susah lar...even my IGBREIT I also buy RM2K saja icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 02:56 PM)
But...with my kecikmeow capital...buy SGREIT susah lar...even my IGBREIT I also buy RM2K saja  icon_question.gif
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You can buy SG REIT..SGD 1000 is more than enough...via malaysian broker AND tax free! icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 02:58 PM)
You can buy SG REIT..SGD 1000 is more than enough...via malaysian broker AND tax free!  icon_idea.gif
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Actualy last time I oredy have this feeling REIT fund is not worth it...mgmt fee 1.5%, portfolio yield 5% e.g., then net yield is only 3.5% doh.gif

what makes AmAsia Pac REIT fly previously was all capital gains as yield compress...

Ok, next fund to dispose! flex.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 03:07 PM)
Actualy last time I oredy have this feeling REIT fund is not worth it...mgmt fee 1.5%, portfolio yield 5% e.g., then net yield is only 3.5% doh.gif

what makes AmAsia Pac REIT fly previously was all capital gains as yield compress...

Ok, next fund to dispose! flex.gif
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If you buy REIT directly... you will have 30-40% capital gain as well during the last yield compression...AND get all of your dividend. rclxms.gif
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MY UT portfolio is currently at all time high... the china UT bought about 1+ month ago really gave it a vroom factor.

I have a feeling we are going over the top of the roller coaster..... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 03:12 PM)
MY UT portfolio is currently at all time high... the china UT bought about 1+ month ago really gave it a vroom factor.

I have a feeling we are going over the top of the roller coaster..... sweat.gif
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Similar here - RHB GS BRICs last bit purchased in 10th July, as of 13th Aug's NAV hitting 8.45% net returns thumbup.gif
Buying lelong works well with my psychology hehe - i like shooting fishes in a barrel

Let the roller coaster swing (and let's scoop up some fishes near the bottom drool.gif)

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 15 2013, 03:26 PM)
Similar here - RHB GS BRICs last bit purchased in 10th July, as of 13th Aug's NAV hitting 8.45% net returns  thumbup.gif
Buying lelong works well with my psychology hehe - i like shooting fishes in a barrel

Let the roller coaster swing (and let's scoop up some fishes near the bottom drool.gif)
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My GEM equity fund also flew...from negative IRR now become 5%+
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i still cannot brain IRR.. but since we invest fund progressively.. ROI sometimes doesnt mean alot.. will IRR means annualized return in some sense?

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 02:51 PM)
Why buy REIT fund when it is so easy to buy REITs directly?

REITs is all about yield, diversifying the yield would not have much protection as they are the same class. One sneeze all drop. You can get similar exposure if you buy MY/SG REIT.

AND don't forget they have 1.5%-2.0% management fee.. essentially your DY will drop from ~5% to ~3%. That's a big fat total of 40% of your dividend...  rolleyes.gif

Is it worth it?  wink.gif

IMHO UT is more suited for capital gain rather than DY as illustrated above.  tongue.gif Bond fund however makes sense because usually the minimum purchase of individual bond is min 100k-1mil, so a bond fund helps small investor entering the asset class. No such case for REIT as you can buy $1000 of REIT easily.
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any bond fund tips?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 15 2013, 04:09 PM)
i still cannot brain IRR.. but since we invest fund progressively.. ROI sometimes doesnt mean alot.. will IRR means annualized return in some sense?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 15 2013, 04:11 PM)
any bond fund tips?
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It's better to stay sidelined from bond fund:

1. Possibility of Federal Reserve to taper QE3 pace
2. Possibility of BNM to hike interest rate by end of this year
3. Outlook downgrade by Fitch to Malaysia
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 15 2013, 04:11 PM)
any bond fund tips?
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Bond tips ah?

Buy Bond UT with majority in commercial AAA Rated bonds, with less than 3 years to maturity. Will be more or less immune to interest rate hike.

Avoid sovereign bonds. Avoid long term bonds. Avoid emerging bonds. Avoid high yield junk bonds.

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 04:44 PM)
Bond tips ah?

Buy UT with majority in commercial AAA Rated bonds, with less than 3 years to maturity. Will be more or less immune to interest rate hike.

Avoid sovereign bonds. Avoid long term bonds. Avoid emerging bonds. Avoid high yield junk bonds.
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Brother, quote example of fund that meets this criteria. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 15 2013, 04:37 PM)
It's better to stay sidelined from bond fund:

1. Possibility of Federal Reserve to taper QE3 pace
2. Possibility of BNM to hike interest rate by end of this year
3. Outlook downgrade by Fitch to Malaysia
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sad.gif , never ending tapering QE.


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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 15 2013, 04:47 PM)
Brother, quote example of fund that meets this criteria. sweat.gif
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AmIncome Plus whistling.gif

Expected returns: Between 1-month and 12-months FD rate wink.gif

Very low volatility. High grade bonds. Short maturity.

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wat kind of bond fund have short maturity date? any example?
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AmIncome Plus whistling.gif

Expected returns: Between 1-month and 12-months FD rate wink.gif
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More or less there... about 3.5%-4% yield.. want safe have to give up some yield for now...

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 05:00 PM)
More or less there... about 3.5%-4% yield.. want safe have to give up yield for now...
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Regret switched out of this. My IRR for this used to be 3.1%, switched to OSK-UOB Income Fund and now getting 2.7% IRR doh.gif
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What about RHB Islamic Bond Fund ? Any comments on this ?
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QUOTE(Anythinglah @ Aug 15 2013, 05:18 PM)
What about RHB Islamic Bond Fund ? Any comments on this ?
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2062
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the yield on the summary of our holdings on FSM are updated daily?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 15 2013, 05:26 PM)
the yield on the summary of our holdings on FSM are updated daily?
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Q: WHEN WILL I KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE I GET?

A: Most of the unit trusts in Malaysia are priced based on "forward pricing". This means that if you transact today, you will get the fund’s value as of the closing price of the market today. However, you will know the price in two working days
The price that you could see in the website is the so-called 'indicative price'. This is usually the price of the fund two working days ago. This indicative price is NOT the actual transaction price of the fund that you are buying or selling.

Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds. These prices are further valued independently by the fund's trustees. Therefore, the dealing price will be made known to the public two business days after the transaction date. Once we obtained the price, an email notification will be sent to you.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=1605#3
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 15 2013, 05:26 PM)
the yield on the summary of our holdings on FSM are updated daily?
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That is not yield, that is ROI (Return On Investment)
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Yay! After 3 months, my portfolio is finally green for the first time. But, my AmAsiaPac REIT fund and bond funds are still red.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 04:50 PM)
AmIncome Plus whistling.gif

Expected returns: Between 1-month and 12-months FD rate wink.gif

Very low volatility. High grade bonds. Short maturity.
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AmBond also targets for short term commercial papers up to 1 year. >50% in AAA
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AmBond also targets for short term commercial papers up to 1 year. >50% in AAA
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No leh.. Ambond is average ~5 years to maturity. So it is a medium term bond, higher yield but slightly higher risk.

Curiously it holding about 6.6% MGS maturing in 2027... sweat.gif

It states the bond fund will not exceed +/- 1 year from Benchmark.

The benchmark is RAM quant shop Medium Duration MGS Bond Index which has a maturity of 3-7 years.

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 15 2013, 06:39 PM)
No leh.. Ambond is average ~5 years to maturity. So it is a medium term bond, higher yield but slightly higher risk.

Curiously it holding about 6.6% MGS maturing in 2027... sweat.gif

It states the bond fund will not exceed +/- 1 year from Benchmark.

The benchmark is RAM quant shop Medium Duration MGS Bond Index which has a maturity of 3-7 years.
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Opps ... I read wrongly. blush.gif
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QUOTE(itsybitsy @ Aug 15 2013, 05:49 PM)
Yay! After 3 months, my portfolio is finally green for the first time. But, my AmAsiaPac REIT fund and bond funds are still red.
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I also got that 2 funds.. my AmAsiapac reit -7% lol
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Moody's keeps stable outlook for Malaysia

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/...t-bonds-a3.html
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World Markets ALL ANG ANG

Asian markets finished mixed to lower as of the most recent closing prices. Shares in Japan fell as the Nikkei 225 dropped 2.12%. The Shanghai Composite lost 0.87% while the Hang Seng in Hong Kong closed unchanged.

45 minutes to closing
European markets are sharply lower today with shares in London off the most. The FTSE 100 is down 1.71% while Germany's DAX is off 1.31% and France's CAC 40 is lower by 1.30%.

North and South American Indexes 4 hours to closing

Dow Jones Industrial Average United States -215.13 -1.40%
S&P 500 Index United States -23.93 -1.42%
Brazil Bovespa Stock Index Brazil -458.88 -0.90%
Canada S&P/TSX 60 Canada -2.55 -0.35%
Santiago Index IPSA Chile -15.77 -0.42%
IPC Mexico -393.79 -0.93%

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 15 2013, 11:55 PM)
World Markets ALL ANG ANG

Asian markets finished mixed to lower as of the most recent closing prices. Shares in Japan fell as the Nikkei 225 dropped 2.12%. The Shanghai Composite lost 0.87% while the Hang Seng in Hong Kong closed unchanged.

45 minutes to closing
European markets are sharply lower today with shares in London off the most. The FTSE 100 is down 1.71% while Germany's DAX is off 1.31% and France's CAC 40 is lower by 1.30%.

North and South American Indexes    4 hours to closing

Dow Jones Industrial Average United States -215.13 -1.40%
S&P 500 Index United States -23.93 -1.42%
Brazil Bovespa Stock Index Brazil -458.88 -0.90%
Canada S&P/TSX 60 Canada -2.55 -0.35%
Santiago Index IPSA Chile -15.77 -0.42%
IPC Mexico -393.79 -0.93% 

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huhu! But no $$ to topup!
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ah so red, especially US >< also no money topup sad.gif
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Ok...global funds... brows.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 11:46 PM)
Ok...global funds... brows.gif
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I think not enough BLOOD on the ground yet.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 15 2013, 11:50 PM)
I think not  enough BLOOD on the ground yet.
wait and see  whistling.gif
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US Treasury yield at 2.78%, I think the fear is real this time hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 15 2013, 11:59 PM)
US Treasury yield at 2.78%, I think the fear is real this time hmm.gif
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meaning?? Bond down, Equities Up? US economy improving rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 16 2013, 12:03 AM)
meaning?? Bond down, Equities Up? US economy improving rclxm9.gif
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It should be a good news but the general investors population seems like don't agree with it. They afraid the gradual improvement on US economy according to economic data may not be sustained with the withdrawal or tapering of QE3.
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Topping up OSK-UOB GEYF RM100 today.

If next week drop further, RM200

Next next week drop further, RM400.

Still drop? Sit back and enjoy the show laugh.gif
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When I about to sell off some funds for rebalance the portfolio, the fear and sell off restarts. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 16 2013, 08:03 AM)
When I about to sell off some funds for rebalance the portfolio, the fear and sell off restarts. sweat.gif
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Yeah, just wanna dump AmAsia Pac REITs doh.gif

Nvm lar, keep 1st. icon_question.gif

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