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post Aug 9 2013, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 9 2013, 08:17 AM)
Investing boring? Good, you're doing it right
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing...ight-2013-05-02
......the most effective long-term investments are the most boring — low-volatility stocks and indexes, sleepy collections of bonds and portfolios that don't change for months.....Break out some play money in a small account if you feel the need to get your blood pressure up. Or put your brain to better use by taking up a new sport or pastime instead.
Any sifu know where? brows.gif  brows.gif
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I am now slowly structuring asset allocation of my portfolio in accordance with risk appetite. Once this is achieve, I'll allocate say 5% for paly money namely derivative market aka warrant play.

I shall achieve my above objective by CNY-2014. Then it is play time baby, play time.

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post Aug 10 2013, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 9 2013, 09:17 PM)
Discussion is getting heavier  tongue.gif

We are here with the intention to share info and make money. So chill guys.

At the end of the day, each has their favorite investment tool. There is no best tool

The best is diversify. Everything also invest  thumbup.gif
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Yarlor semua pun boleh invest:

Gundam sets, Transformer First Edition sets, Rolex vintage, Pu-Er tea, Playboy Vol 1 (oops) and X-men series comics....

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post Aug 11 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:08 AM)
You can also leverage to invest in UT. Some banks offer loan to invest in Unit trust/ Mutual Funds.
Got meh? fast fast tell me lar... I want oso wor.

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post Aug 11 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
We have discussed it before.
U can pledge your public mutual funds with public bank, get OD facilty up to MOA 80%, rate blr-1%, can withdraw the OD to invest in mutual funds.
I know other banks like OCBC, Cimb also offer this but lower MOA.
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BLR minus 1% is effective rate 5.6%, sales charge is 5.5%, MER another 1.5%. Total for first year is 13%. Thereafter every year is 7% cost of investment.

Eeeeeee, tak mau liao. Sure kalah wan liek dis.

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post Aug 11 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 11 2013, 12:53 PM)
BLR minus 1% is effective rate 5.6%, sales charge is 5.5%, MER another 1.5%. Total for first year is 13%. Thereafter every year is 7% cost of investment.

Eeeeeee, tak mau liao. Sure kalah wan liek dis.

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This post of mine prompted me to ask this question: If I take the borrowing, at what level must I break even?

After thinking through it and scouring my brain on what formula to use, I will use a slightly modified Alpha-jenssen ratio to calculate the above question:

Risk free rate (MBB 12mth FD rate) = 3.15p.a.
Cost of borrowing (BLR - 1%) according to Cheahcw2003= 6.6 - 1 = 5.6% p.a.
Benchmark rtn (KLSE Emas index) = 8.96% p.a. (source from Pub-Mut)
Annual Management Fee = 1.5% (source Pub-Mut)
Assuming the beta is 1.0 i.e, similar to market fluctuation, no better, no worse:

The minimal ROI to expect in order to just breakeven =
[MER + Risk free rate + Cost of borrowing + Beta x (KLSE benchmark return - Risk free rate - Cost of borrowing)]

= 1.5 + 3.15 + 5.6 + 1.00 x (8.96 - 3.15 - 5.6)
= 10.46% p.a.

Let's look through Pub-Mut funds that has consistent performance of 10.46% p.a. with a beta of 1.00?

Sorry none of them has this. Hence it is a no go for borrowng to buy Pub-Mut fund.

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P/s: I have discounted the one off sales charge of 5.5% since it is a one off event.

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post Aug 24 2013, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 24 2013, 09:37 AM)
It is just the reality of whats happening... it might be just a small bump or massive bloodshed, it is too early to tell. But the market is still not really panicking yet.

Stay the course and buy on good valuation, but pace yourself so you don't run out of ammo. As an investor, you must stay the course, never get greedy and never give in to panic. I have not sold a single UT, but I am buying slowly...

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For those who withdraw from EPF to invest into unit trust. Remember you will only be able to use the money after 55 y/o which for majority of us that would be in 10 or 15 years time.

My guesstimate at a conservative 10% p.a. ROI for KLCI, 10 years later, when KLCI hit 5,000 pts, your decision to whether enter at 1700 pts or 1800 points, it becomes immaterial.

Stay the course, dollar cost average to reduce your risk. Stay invested.

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post Sep 25 2013, 03:52 PM

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Yeah, me too..... I have holdings in Eastspring small cap too, gave me a heart attack.

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post Sep 25 2013, 07:31 PM

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Just received an email from FSM, they are gonna make bond fund sales charge zero percent.

PERMANENTLY!

Publiic Mutual ..... Go f3ck urself!

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post Sep 25 2013, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2013, 07:41 PM)
You didn't see the wrap/platform fee ah?  rolleyes.gif
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What platform fee? The email apa pun tak cakap.....

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post Sep 25 2013, 11:50 PM

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Pinky,

Why you keep calling HAQF Ponzi? Something I miss out?

Also: Thinking out loud.... if you want to escape Hwang's sales charge, how about going via Hwang-PRS Growth. You are basically buying into fund of fund (HSOF, HSAOF and HSBF) at zero sales charge.

Similarly, if you go through Hwang-PRS Syariah Growth, you are basically buying a feeder fund of HAGF but without the sales charge.

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post Sep 25 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 25 2013, 04:34 PM)
Crazy lar 1:1 distribution... why the heck they go do that
OTHER than to con newbies that it's "cheap" (ie. NAV went down 50% wor!)
never seen such craziness before
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yarlor... conjob. They should be like those Investment Linked Fund... never declare distribution, never do unit split one. Some of their NAV = RM 3.XX/unit.

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post Oct 23 2013, 04:41 PM

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Pink,

Is that avatar your real you? Fuh-Lau-Weh.... call me baby?

My contact: 1300-CALL-MEE

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