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post Apr 23 2013, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Apr 23 2013, 12:07 PM)
Labourer not bad one, my dad also labourer, primary 6 only. Some people just stick to their old ways of living even after they got better. Not the issue of affordability, more to the issue or worth or not. I can never get my parents to agree for a 15RM Starbuck because they got used to drinking a normal kopi o and the 20 years old car they still keeping...
That's different... your parents got money but CHOOSE not to spend. That's their prerogative and to be respected.

On the other hand, if I come to SG and live like a foreign labourer because I don't have enough money... I'd make sure I have a plan to improve my situation, otherwise... I rather not come to SG.

This post has been edited by seantang: Apr 23 2013, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(yhoong12 @ Apr 23 2013, 11:46 AM)
About the getting charged part, there also have monthly withdraw limit where if you withdraw too many times, you will get charged. UOB have more atms then POSB? are you sure? hmm.gif
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Of course POSB has more, just that my company currently does not have a POSB account, therefore they're saying that its a bit more complicated & difficult to open an acc there? hmm.gif

Probably going for OCBC as my company just issued me a letter rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Apr 23 2013, 01:42 PM)
That's different... your parents got money but CHOOSE not to spend. That's their prerogative and to be respected.

On the other hand, if I come to SG and live like a foreign labourer because I don't have enough money... I'd make sure I have a plan to improve my situation, otherwise... I rather not come to SG.
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better to plan ahead since no job after 40yrs old ...worryig

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post Apr 23 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Apr 23 2013, 01:25 PM)
When you're just starting out,.. save. Save as much as you can. From the day I started working, my savings rate has never fallen below 60% of GROSS salary annually.

Saving is second in importance only to Salary. Make sure your salary is as high as possible, as early in your career as possible.

Once you have a decent amount, or have a salary that allows you to save a decent amount each month - invest. I'm a very unsophisticated investor. FDs, shares and only recently, property. That's it. I have no fancy investments.

And I have no fancy investment strategy. I have no time or energy to monitor and analyse. I invest and forget... so I just invest in shares in sectors I naturally understand well ie. 嫖賭飲吹. I basically bought one lot of Genting, BToto, Guinness, Carlsberg, BAT, JT every month or so (sublots for BAT) and increased the number of shares as salary got higher. All of them pay a high dividend, and have cash rich, unchanging/addictive long term demand, low fluctuation, low risk business models. Don't have to monitor , just collect the dividend cheques. Later on, I added on telcos as a sector because it has very much the same dynamics and I happen to be very interested in this field.

After 10-15 years, you'll be surprised how many shares you have accumulated and how much dividend you get regularly.

But don't put all your cash into shares. I'm naturally risk averse, so I built my FD balance to even off the risk. Now, I'm gradually converting some of that FD/cash into property.

Now... you can actually go into property early, instead of or on top of FDs and shares. If I had more knowledge or interest in the property market when I was younger... I would have bought property as well. I'd actually be earning more than I am now in terms of ROI (Return on Investment)... but the risk is that it is absolutely critical to choose the right property (in the beginning... you have only 1, very big, very costly bullet. And in property, there is no effective cut loss).
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Thanks for the advise. I normally save 80% or more of my salary but whenever I spend, doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif . In term of salary, currently I would say I'm slightly overpaid considering my role/age.

In term of investment, I only invested small amount in MT and FD so far and both in Msia to get a grip of it. Looking into property now but most places seem overvalued now. SG, JB and back in Sarawak, property value keep increasing in paper value but resale value uncertain. Might look into bluechip investment for dividend.

But key point is still how much we can save, not how much we can earn sweat.gif
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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 23 2013, 03:24 PM)
Thanks for the advise. I normally save 80% or more of my salary but whenever I spend,  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif .
The saving rate needs to be net rate on a cashflow basis. After ALL your spending. So, let's say you buy a car in 2013, your savings (additional cash in bank) needs to be x% even after deducting all your car instalments. Same if you buy phones, clothes, furniture, fridge etc.

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In term of investment, I only invested small amount in MT and FD so far and both in Msia to get a grip of it. Looking into property now but most places seem overvalued now. SG, JB and back in Sarawak, property value keep increasing in paper value but resale value uncertain. Might look into bluechip investment for dividend.
For property, I only invest where I can see it. So for me, it's property in SG and Ipoh at this stage. But since I have lived in KL-PJ for a long time and know it well, that's also an option. If Sarawak is an option for you, that's a good thing. As for JB... my view is that the housing prices are like the price of everything else. Overinflated by the presence of Singaporeans. Now... Iskandar, direct rail link etc. sound like a good thing... but these are Najib's babies. If Najib's not around anymore or the royalty there get more rclxub.gif ... jeng jeng jeng.

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But key point is still how much we can save, not how much we can earn  sweat.gif
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To me, key point is how much you earn.

You can save no more than what you earn. You have no choice. You cannot choose to save more than you earn. Therefore your savings is limited, by your earnings.

How much of your earnings you save is easy. It's limited only by your health, the health of your loved ones and your willpower.

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QUOTE(reengurl @ Apr 23 2013, 01:54 PM)
Of course POSB has more, just that my company currently does not have a POSB account, therefore they're saying that its a bit more complicated & difficult to open an acc there?  hmm.gif

Probably going for OCBC as my company just issued me a letter rolleyes.gif
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Actually is depend on company, like mine, they does not restrict us to any bank, basically is those more famous bank la. is not complicated or difficult to open a bank acc in term of us la. in term of HR, idk.


I really enjoy OCBC service, very friendly and nice. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 23 2013, 03:24 PM)
Thanks for the advise. I normally save 80% or more of my salary but whenever I spend,  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif . In term of salary, currently I would say I'm slightly overpaid considering my role/age.
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Either you are well overpaid or really under spent. 80% or more saving is a rare figure.
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post Apr 23 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Apr 23 2013, 05:06 PM)
Either you are well overpaid or really under spent. 80% or more saving is a rare figure.
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very exceptional savings rate ...i must say
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QUOTE(megadisc @ Apr 23 2013, 05:23 PM)
very exceptional savings rate ...i must say
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biggrin.gif can't stop envying those elites here with high pay
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Apr 22 2013, 09:11 PM)
Generally it is 1/2 month fee for 1 year contract, 1 month fee for 2 year contract.

If your office is around Bedok, stay in Bedok. There's two supermarkets, multiple food courts, shopping areas, a small mall full of restaurants, basically you won't need to go anywhere else during the weekdays.
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what camera do you use? laugh.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Apr 23 2013, 05:23 PM)
very exceptional savings rate ...i must say
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For me 80% is what I need to spend ... so how hight is my pay... cry.gif


QUOTE(xtylish @ Apr 23 2013, 05:30 PM)
what camera do you use?  laugh.gif
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How does this related to camera? hmm.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(fongwan @ Apr 23 2013, 05:41 PM)
For me 80% is what I need to spend ... so how hight is my pay...  cry.gif
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tat actually show how much u spend instead of how low your pay is
u live by how much u earn...not how much u wish u would be earning
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post Apr 23 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Apr 23 2013, 12:07 PM)
Labourer not bad one, my dad also labourer, primary 6 only. Some people just stick to their old ways of living even after they got better. Not the issue of affordability, more to the issue or worth or not. I can never get my parents to agree for a 15RM Starbuck because they got used to drinking a normal kopi o and the 20 years old car they still keeping...

Too harsh for those freshies and people still struggling bah, but good advice always harsh to hear. Some may not like it.
Invest in PR, start saving for the house down payment and don't buy any oversea properties if you aiming for HDB.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Apr 23 2013, 01:08 PM)
I also cannot drink starbucks...
although i'm not that old

i think it's exorbitantly expensive...
i drink white coffee can de
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True, fully agreed. Starbucks price really exorbitantly shocking.gif shakehead.gif sweat.gif . Only go once a year when i got my year end bonus and just to have the 'feel'. Nothing special also.

QUOTE(reengurl @ Apr 23 2013, 01:54 PM)
Of course POSB has more, just that my company currently does not have a POSB account, therefore they're saying that its a bit more complicated & difficult to open an acc there?  hmm.gif

Probably going for OCBC as my company just issued me a letter rolleyes.gif
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OCBC also quite ok. Quite a number of ATMs. You could also get POSB together with your OCBC. Then do online transfer OCBC --> POSB.

QUOTE(xtylish @ Apr 23 2013, 05:29 PM)
biggrin.gif  can't stop envying those elites here with high pay
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post Apr 23 2013, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Apr 23 2013, 05:57 PM)
True, fully agreed. Starbucks price really exorbitantly shocking.gif  shakehead.gif  sweat.gif  . Only go once a year when i got my year end bonus and just to have the 'feel'. Nothing special also.
OCBC also quite ok. Quite a number of ATMs. You could also get POSB together with your OCBC. Then do online transfer OCBC --> POSB.
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post Apr 23 2013, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Apr 22 2013, 09:18 PM)
this is so true.
compare to other country, i feel that sg elderly is the most pathetic.
look at how they work, do cleaning, kopi kia, mcdonalds.
they doesnt seem enjoy their work.
the are not 'aging graciously'.

When i go other country, for e.g in china, the old people go park in the morning, do taichi n dance, then go market talk2 with seller, go home cooking, slep, go back park play mahjong, sing and dance together till evening, go back home watch tv with big family.
looking at them i so envy, shocking.gif  feel want to retire asap.

but when i see old people in sg. alamak!  i will buy anti-aging pill and pause my age. whistling.gif
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coz gov practices -ve income tax... if earn below certain amount gov give u $$$, if u dont work at all, gov wont give u anything... so they take the easiest task and make little so they can benefit from the topup hmm.gif

QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Apr 23 2013, 05:06 PM)
Either you are well overpaid or really under spent. 80% or more saving is a rare figure.
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for his position n jobscope not overpaid... but for his age and current commitments he has lots of balance..

he's under 30, making 5 figures already.. thumbup.gif we must all strive to be like him notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Apr 23 2013, 07:00 PM)
coz gov practices -ve income tax... if earn below certain amount gov give u $$$, if u dont work at all, gov wont give u anything... so they take the easiest task and make little so they can benefit from the topup  hmm.gif
for his position n jobscope not overpaid... but for his age and current commitments he has lots of balance..

he's under 30, making 5 figures already..  thumbup.gif  we must all strive to be like him  notworthy.gif
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Apologize toughnut for my shallow knowledge, not an elite standard. Can never reach his standard already. How to ever be under 30 again cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Apr 23 2013, 08:29 PM

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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

my basic nowhere 10k/month la
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post Apr 23 2013, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 23 2013, 08:29 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

my basic nowhere 10k/month la
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of coz 20k/month is no where near 10k/month. that is double.
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Apr 23 2013, 08:47 PM)
of coz 20k/month is no where near 10k/month. that is double.
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20k is my manager's salary biggrin.gif
my Pm is around >50k
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post Apr 23 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(toughnut @ Apr 23 2013, 08:59 PM)
20k is my manager's salary  biggrin.gif
my Pm is around >50k
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