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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal - 2nd defeat!

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kcmy
post Sep 3 2012, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(saikuan @ Sep 3 2012, 01:46 AM)
Yeah, well, January is too far away..by then it might be too late..

Still, Owen,Heskey, and Fowler are free agents..just saying..lolz
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hopefully BR can motivate and make use of the current players instead of signing players with inflated price.
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post Sep 3 2012, 01:53 AM

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whoa.. some people get carried away after losing a game.. its the 3rd game of the season. relax. give BR and the players some time.

whats with the suarez hate? by now we fans should know that his finishing is not really good (at least with us). but he replace that shortcomings with opening spaces and creating chances for other players. granted, except the man city game, he is not on his best but he gave 100% and played with heart. plus he definitely looks tired. he have been playing a lot of games and got less resting time because he played in the olympics.

he has been the best players for us for so many games so please give him some slack will you? not respecting him because doesn't perform consistently.. negrito pleasee...

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post Sep 3 2012, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Sep 3 2012, 01:53 AM)
whoa.. some people get carried away after losing a game.. its the 3rd game of the season. relax. give BR and the players some time.

whats with the suarez hate? by now we fans should know that his finishing is not really good (at least with us). but he replace that shortcomings with opening spaces and creating chances for other players. granted, except the man city game, he is not on his best but he gave 100% and played with heart. plus he definitely looks tired. he have been playing a lot of games and got less resting time because he played in the olympics.

he has been the best players for us for so many games so please give him some slack will you? not respecting him because doesn't perform consistently.. negrito pleasee...
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I don't think is hating him la..just frustrating..Him and Gerrard not performing, is like u wonder who is gonna step up? For Gerrard, we can see Allen and Shelvey is up to task, maybe Sahin too..So Gerrard can rest a bit..But for Suarez, there is no one..so i believe it's is just frustrating to see him not score..since the bench has no striker.

This said, whoever is at fault at loaning AC out and NOT getting a new striker really screwed us..


Added on September 3, 2012, 2:13 am
QUOTE(kcmy @ Sep 3 2012, 01:48 AM)
hopefully BR can motivate and make use of the current players instead of signing players with inflated price.
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Dani Pacheco, Suso, Joe Cole( If can play as good as when in France), are all still here and available..I'll say make full use of them..Come to think of it, we don't need to score a lot..I will take 1-0 win anyday..lol


Added on September 3, 2012, 2:13 am
QUOTE(kcmy @ Sep 3 2012, 01:48 AM)
hopefully BR can motivate and make use of the current players instead of signing players with inflated price.
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Dani Pacheco, Suso, Joe Cole( If can play as good as when in France), are all still here and available..I'll say make full use of them..Come to think of it, we don't need to score a lot..I will take 1-0 win anyday..lol

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post Sep 3 2012, 02:28 AM

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i just wish that we could at least get one creative midfielder and a striker. it's frustrating that the club sells a player every season. how do we get the rhythm if we keep on selling players even before they start to play together? good days are coming...we'll start dominating again.
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post Sep 3 2012, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Sep 3 2012, 01:34 AM)
It's hardly his fault we didn't get a goalscorer on deadline day to share some of his burden.

It's one thing to hope for him to score. It's a totally different thing to rip into him as if he didn't deserve the red shirt.
He was our top scorer last season despite being banned for 8 matches. It's the least bit of respect we can give him.

Not to mention he gives nothing less than 100% week in week out.
All we do is sit here and moan.
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Why defend the indefensible? Suarez is the main culprit!
Given the inordinate amount of scoring opportunities (usually more than half) Suarez strike rate is poor. Let's analyse Liverpool 's plight and the pathetic performances of the offence.
Why isn't he clinical?

Perhaps we should look at Messi's to contrast.
Messi creates or strives to score everytime he gets an opportunity. He does not look for cheap fouls or go down easily. That's what make this natural leftie the best footballer currently playing.

Liverpool had more scoring opportunities (17 shots with 8 on target) & better goal opportunities than Arsenal (11 shots with 7 on target).
And Suarez HOGGED more than half of them, some of them clear cut opportunities. Even the free kicks shakehead.gif
But more than 50% of that he tries to comp a foul or penalty. His on field body language reveals it.
PL referees are wise up to him & so does Liverpool's opponents.

Suarez is not an HONEST footballer. He is a SERIAL Cheat. That's a fact
This is a general consensus amongst my teammates (most of them red fans and one of them is a scouser) when we were discussing Liverpool's plight and pathetic performances over our customary post match (Fridays) drinks. I pinpointed that Suarez is a liability and they agreed with me.

Yes Messi does cheat too (Hand of God) but with his natural left hand. biggrin.gif

Cogitate, Correlate & Communicate. Go figure.
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 2 2012, 12:37 PM)
Why defend the indefensible? Suarez is the main culprit!
Given the inordinate amount of scoring opportunities (usually more than half) Suarez strike rate is poor. Let's analyse Liverpool 's plight and the pathetic performances of the offence.
Why isn't he clinical?

Perhaps we should  look at Messi's to contrast.
Messi creates or strives to score everytime he gets an opportunity. He does not look for cheap fouls or go down easily. That's what make this natural leftie the best  footballer currently playing.

Liverpool had more scoring opportunities (17 shots with 8 on target) & better goal opportunities than Arsenal (11 shots with 7 on target).
And Suarez HOGGED more than half of them, some of them clear cut opportunities. Even the free kicks  shakehead.gif
But more than 50% of that he tries to comp a foul or penalty. His on field body language reveals it.
PL referees are wise up to him & so does Liverpool's opponents.

Suarez is not an HONEST footballer. He is a SERIAL Cheat.  That's a fact
This is a general consensus amongst my teammates (most of them red fans and one of them is a scouser) when we were discussing Liverpool's plight and pathetic performances over  our customary post match (Fridays) drinks. I  pinpointed that Suarez is a liability and they agreed with me.

Yes Messi does cheat too (Hand of God) but with his natural left hand.  biggrin.gif

Cogitate, Correlate & Communicate. Go figure.
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For a team without CL football and with a limited budget, Suarez is the best player that's available to Liverpool. Football fans can shoot him or praise him, question his attitude on the field or whatever; what BR can do to Suarez right now is to help him find his goal-scoring form.

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post Sep 3 2012, 04:15 AM

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maybe alex ferguson placed a voodoo doll at anfield many years back. time to move to stanley park and start anew
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post Sep 3 2012, 04:20 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 3 2012, 01:40 AM)
A player only earn your respect if he performs consistently? SERIOUSLY?

Wow, I am surprised. Then I guess player like Kuyt will never earn your respect then? Not only did he not performing consistent enough, his play is never beautiful to begin with. I respect him though for he plays with his heart and passion.
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I miss kuyt so much; i miss the old squad. Xabi, Torres, Aurelio, Masch. cry.gif
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post Sep 3 2012, 05:23 AM

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we used to Draw games at Home, but its Lose as a norm now, wat if Away ?

BR is regretting that he joined us, but i dun blame him, its the Management decision of not buying a striker.

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post Sep 3 2012, 06:20 AM

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QUOTE(kcmy @ Sep 3 2012, 01:39 AM)
so u mean i should be happy and sit quietly when he's blasting shots over the bar and see other teams like WBA beating the crap out of us?
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Did the other players help him out?
Sahin, Allen, and the others had chances to shoot but didn't. Even Downing played well but also shot wide.

Of course as supporters we can voice our grouses, but the least we can do is not to insult him like the way some of you did.


Added on September 3, 2012, 6:34 am
QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 3 2012, 02:37 AM)
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Cogitate, Correlate & Communicate. Go figure.
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You're coming off as a bit of a broken record now so you can just go and do one.

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#LFC fans need to have a read of this from @TonyBarretTimes tonight:

Manager faces up to Anfield’s age of austerity

Tony Barrett

“At a football club, there’s a holy trinity — the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.” - Bill Shankly.

On what would have been Bill Shankly’s 99th birthday, Brendan Rodgers faced up to the new reality of being Liverpool manager. The club’s directors may still be there to sign the cheques but only if potential signings fit in with their own long-term strategy and age profile, a lesson that Rodgers learnt to his cost on transfer deadline day.

Had Rodgers got his way on Friday, Clint Dempsey would have been in his starting line-up for the visit of Arsenal to Anfield. As it was, the loss of an internal power struggle with Fenway Sports Group, the Liverpool owners, meant that the United States player went to Tottenham Hotspur, leaving Rodgers able to call upon only Luis Suárez and Fabio Borini as senior attackers from now until January.

With the exception of Suárez and Steven Gerrard, Liverpool’s new-look midfield and forward line did not feature a single player who had scored a goal for the club before kick-off yesterday, a statistic that remained unaltered after the final whistle. On the substitutes’ bench, there was not a single forward. Stewart Downing — he of no league goals nor assists last season — was the only recognised attacking player and Rodgers has spent the opening weeks of the new season trying to convert the fitful winger into a left back.

Last weekend, when Manchester City were the visiting team, Rodgers could at least summon Andy Carroll from the bench and the forward came within a Jack Rodwell goalline clearance of winning the game. By then, though, Rodgers had long since deemed Carroll surplus to requirements and the decision to exile the 23-year-old on Thursday was a calculated gamble predicated on the idea that the paucity of attacking options left available to him would compel FSG to grant him his wish to sign Dempsey.

The inherent risk was that FSG would not back down on its belief that 29-year-olds, even ones who scored 22 goals last season, are not the future of the club. Note to Anfield: Robin van Persie is also 29. The Boston-based investment group sanctioned an offer for Dempsey but it was a half-hearted attempt with sources at the London club insisting that the bid was £3 million, although Liverpool dispute this version of events.

FSG had been willing to approve the recruitment of Daniel Sturridge, six years Dempsey’s junior, from Chelsea on loan with a view to a permanent transfer but Rodgers had been less keen. It came down to a battle of wills and Rodgers lost as his employers favoured their own philosophy and transfer strategy over their manager’s judgment. Yesterday Arsenal took advantage but it is hard to imagine, given Liverpool’s chronic lack of firepower, that Arsène Wenger’s side will be the last side to do so.

Rodgers now has a squad that is not fit for purpose and in allowing that to happen, FSG has taken a gamble of its own by putting performance and points at risk for the sake of its principles. It had the opportunity to recruit a player with the potential to give Liverpool at least a degree of the cutting edge that they so clearly lack but preferred to adhere to its own beliefs. With each Premier League place worth about £750,000 in additional prize money there is also a financial element to the risk and a possibility that signing Dempsey, even for a £6 million fee, could have turned out to be cost effective .

As the club that perhaps best captures the pre and post credit crunch era — bought on easy credit, taken to the brink of administration — there is something apt about Liverpool being at the heart of a debate about whether they should continue with austerity measures or spend their way out of the trouble that they find themselves in. But with three games of the season gone Liverpool have scored only two goals and neither came from open play.

Tom Werner, their chairman, claimed earlier this year that the club has “the resources to compete with anyone in football”. On the evidence of a summer in which too few cheques have been signed for Rodgers’s liking and one of his key transfer targets has been missed, that already seems little more than a fanciful boast.

Original link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/footba...icle3526630.ece
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I think the current problem lies with the much hyped tiki-taka. Tike - taka from the way i sees can only work if the midfield and the forward has a near to perfect understanding of each other. At the moment we are disarrayed as anything we can imagine, let alone to play the tiki-taka ala Barcelona. Just abandone the bloody tiki-taka, get back to route one and employ the pass and move game and put the opposition defence under constance and continuous pressure, instead of knocking the ball aimlessly around. Some said give Brendan time to build-up his brand of tiki - taka, but time is not on our side we're not in the conference league that BR has the privilege of time to do so, this is the world of EPL.

Suarez also another one, always dribble with his head looking on the ground. Someone must give him a tight slap to remind him that soccer is a team's game and he's expected to look up and pass to the next player in a better scoring to score instead of trying to dribble into goal everytime the ball is at his feet.

Seriously, we need to break-up the Suarez-Stevie combo, it has gone stale already and it's too predicable and opponents already have a plan in hand to counter that.

If the style of play doesn't change fast we'll have worrying times ahead and we could be rooted at the bottom of the table comes end of Sept. Call it a knee-jerk, knee-jerk now better than later.


Added on September 3, 2012, 8:31 am
QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Sep 3 2012, 06:20 AM)
Did the other players help him out?
Sahin, Allen, and the others had chances to shoot but didn't. Even Downing played well but also shot wide.

Of course as supporters we can voice our grouses, but the least we can do is not to insult him like the way some of you did.


Added on September 3, 2012, 6:34 am
You're coming off as a bit of a broken record now so you can just go and do one.
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Yes our midfield is hopeless, not making the effort to shoot and when they do it ends up anywhere everywhere except the goal. For instace Shelvey, when he shoots most probably we'll have to provide hig a rugby goal post to score, nothinh has improved since last season. Just wonder what do they do in training. At the rate things are going, if we widen the goal post by 2 feet to the left and right we'll still most probably fail to score.

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post Sep 3 2012, 08:35 AM

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when someone call it soccer, you know he doesn't understand the game.....
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QUOTE(murishige @ Sep 3 2012, 08:35 AM)
when someone call it soccer, you know he doesn't understand the game.....
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Care to explain what's the diffrence between soccer and football, irt appears that you understand it much? I beg of you to do so. Pls, looking forward to your reply. No need much excerpts, we know that already. people of one line excerpts are normally one tag line forummers, may I humbly say so. Just observe.

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post Sep 3 2012, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Sep 3 2012, 12:05 AM)
The prob begins when we want rafa out.

then woy stayed n failed
king kenny stayed n failed
now br.

things wouldve been much better if rafa stayed. At least he wouuld know who we are and wuts the real prob is.
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rafa had already run his race when we parted company with him.

it is only the third game of the season, and we've played both manchester city and arsenal. since some of us are happy with loaning players (which i still think is something mid-table teams do) then we also need to adjust our expectations - we are a mid table team. Seen in that perspective, barring that defeat on opening day we have performed as expected. I doubt Swansea would have fared any better whistling.gif
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Any football-loving person would NEVER EVER call FOOTBALL, soccer. #fact.

Anywho, on a side note:

Allen and Sterling were Class! Shelvey was pretty good too. Suarez was wasteful. Gerrard is really lacking alot these days (understandably due to his age).
Defence didnt look like playing. Sahin was not here nor there, decent I supposed. Otherwise the team was crap. Take out Allen, Shelvey and Sterling and we would have been trashed.

My 4 cents, of course.
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QUOTE(saikuan @ Sep 3 2012, 02:03 AM)
I don't think is hating him la..just frustrating..Him and Gerrard not performing, is like u wonder who is gonna step up? For Gerrard, we can see Allen and Shelvey is up to task, maybe Sahin too..So Gerrard can rest a bit..But for Suarez, there is no one..so i believe it's is just frustrating to see him not score..since the bench has no striker.

This said, whoever is at fault at loaning AC out and NOT getting a new striker really screwed us..


Added on September 3, 2012, 2:13 am

Dani Pacheco, Suso, Joe Cole( If can play as good as when in France), are all still here and available..I'll say make full use of them..Come to think of it, we don't need to score a lot..I will take 1-0 win anyday..lol


Added on September 3, 2012, 2:13 am

Dani Pacheco, Suso, Joe Cole( If can play as good as when in France), are all still here and available..I'll say make full use of them..Come to think of it, we don't need to score a lot..I will take 1-0 win anyday..lol
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yeah,we dun hate him,just because we kutuk him doesnt mean we hv no respect for him or dun like him , c'mon the guy cannot take some criticism? i bet if i were to say it in his face he'll agree with me.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Sep 3 2012, 08:47 AM)
Any football-loving person would NEVER EVER call FOOTBALL, soccer. #fact.

Anywho, on a side note:

Allen and Sterling were Class! Shelvey was pretty good too. Suarez was wasteful. Gerrard is really lacking alot these days (understandably due to his age).
Defence didnt look like playing. Sahin was not here nor there, decent I supposed. Otherwise the team was crap. Take out Allen, Shelvey and Sterling and we would have been trashed.

My 4 cents, of course.
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A choice of words. a person that uses the word soccer doesn't mean that he's any less football loving than the rest. Pls provide details and explanation to #fact. Thanks.
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QUOTE(redkop63 @ Sep 3 2012, 08:53 AM)
A choice of words. a person that uses the word soccer doesn't mean that he's any less football loving than the rest. Pls provide details and explanation to #fact. Thanks.
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It's like calling God (any respective God) 'God', and 'Spiritual Being'.

You dont see people in churches going, 'Bless us owh Spiritual Being'.

Calling Football, soccer, is like calling American Football, 'hand-egg'.

It does show (tho not determinative) a level of respect and passion.

but we really don't want to go into a debate over linguistics now do we?

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