Sony has announced the Cyber-shot DSC-RX100, an enthusiast compact camera based around a 20MP 1" CMOS sensor. It features a 28-100mm equivalent lens with F1.8-4.9 aperture range and image stabilization and is the first Sony compact to capture Raw files. It can shoot 1080p60 and capture 17MP (16:9 crop) stills simultaneously. It features a lens control dial and a 3:2 aspect ratio sensor (the same proportions as most DSLRs). It's also the first Sony compact to feature the company's 'WhiteMagic' LCD technology, promising a brighter or lower-power display. The RX100 will be available from July at a price of around $649.

More info:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/06/So...-sensor-compact

It's funny that Sony,canon,Nikon can't give us what the xz1 has, f1.8-2.5. It's tempting this rx100. Gives s100 some competition. I'm waiting for the xz2 so in the meantime, I'll give the rx100 a pass.

At RRP of about RM 2K it will have to be very good to beat canon, pana and oly
especially with xz2, s105 or lx6 about to be launched in a couple of months

An in depth review here.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony...sony-rx100A.HTM

now there are more reviews and sample pics from this rx100.
what do you guys think about this rx100?
bigger sensor, able to shoot high ISO in low light vs oly xz1's f1.8-2.5?

Me too... since Sony sells the sensor. I'm more interested on what Oly/others does with it.

Cybershot moniker doesn't inspire much confidence for me.

Lots of product and sample shots here. Nice
Words in Korean though

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=slr_...desc=asc&no=282

Taiwan just started selling...at a whopping RM2.2K

Wow Very expensive high end point and shoot
At 36mm thick Sony Rx100 is not as pocketable as Canon S100 but it will put
pressure on Canon to get future S105 right with bigger sensor and faster lens
but maintain current size. S100 is such a lemon with decentered lens
and now lens cannot retract issue.
S105, XZ2 and LX7 will be out soon. Sure must be good one

Makes sense since X10 is already around 2K.

why this sensor so expensive? All camera with this sensor cost so much. All above 2k?

Any idea when this camera will be launch in Malaysia??

anybody interested in bringing in this camera? can buy from HK now. Around less than Rm2200

I think our retail price will be around there as well

I might get it in UK, but scare Sony Malaysia refuse to honor the warranty.

Anyone encounter this problem before?? Bought a camera from oversea authorise dealer and still able to get a warranty in Malaysia??? Mind to share.

why want to buy in UK? for remembrance sake?

Lol, plan to get it in Malaysia but can't wait that long for the launch. I'll be going to UK and need a camera so might as well get it there.

Order one from HK. You will get it in 48 hours and with local warranty to boot

Samsung has entered the game with a Schneider-Kreuznach f1.4 lens's EX2F.

Let's compare the lenses,

RX100's Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar f1.8-4.9 28-100mm
EX2F's Schneider-Kreuznach f1.4~ 24-80mm
Olympus's M.Zuiko f1.8-2.9 28-115mm

XZ-1 has the "all time brighter" which Samsung's EX2F will be the brightest and widest with f1.4 and 24mm SWA. With this combo, low-light landscape will be much easier.

RX100 might have the best "branded" lens since it's from Zeiss. Most of you know that "Sonnar" means "bright" and represents large aperture. But definitely not the brightest in telephoto.

I believe EX2F will "theoritically" give the best optical performance with that focal length, less zoom ratio, better image quality, I guess. Schneider-Krueznach from German, almost as famous as Carl Zeiss, I wonder how both of the German glasses perform.

XZ-1's M.Zuiko lens is very sharp even wide open. I own XZ-1 and was impressed at the first sight after some comparison with my Sony Alpha. It was until I replaced my kit lens with a better prime lens, XZ-1 performed nearly identical (if not better) than my kit lens. The focal length and the aperture are very convenient. I meant, where else you could get telephoto-end with f2.9?

I hope RX100 could perform better in low-light with its larger sensor. With enough ambient light, Carl-Zeiss will not disappoint us with its T* coating, but I wonder how about low-light.

S100 and LX5? Come out with something near to the 3 mentioned models, then only we talk.

In a way.. it's a Nikon 1 with better controls and faster lens.

I wonder what Panasonic will bring to the table on 18th of July with the new LX7.

You're forgetting the Fuji X10. Ah maybe it's too big compared to the others.


This post has been edited by Joseph Hahn: Jul 8 2012, 01:33 PM

Err.... Are you referring to the Samsung?

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Added on July 8, 2012, 2:27 pmThe Samsung comes with the 'grip'... Looks like its more ergonomic compared with the oly, Sony, canon, panny. And also the tilt screen, which would be great for self or couple portraits.

This post has been edited by unicorn70: Jul 8 2012, 02:27 PM

X10 is nice but still doubts about the orb issue and menu system a bit clunky.. and big.

Not really.. no doubt that on paper, the f1.4 lens trumps all the current enthuasiast compacts using the same 1/1.7 inch sensor but after using S90 and XZ-1, got urge for bigger sensor di.
Kinda hope XZ-2 will be an even bigger revolution since Oly is in bed with Sony now according to the rumors.

so if xz 2 does not come with a bigger sensor, the rx 100 will be on top of your list?

am i correct to say (IMHO) that a bigger sensor is what i should look for in a high end compact? f1.8+larger sensor=better bokeh?

second criteria will be the wide aperture for low light pics?

If XZ2 don't come with bigger sensor, I just stick to XZ1 lo.

This has nothing to do with bokeh la... even RX100 sensor is too small for useful bokeh.

Larger sensor = cleaner low and high ISO shots, dynamic range and what not. The faster lens serves to offset the disadvantage of smaller sensor against bigger ones on dslrs lo.

ok understood!

The new sensor/lens combo seems to fix it. The menu is pretty straight forward to me. It's the limitations in certain modes that's confusing. Can't deny the size though.

Oh ya it has the 2nd "all time brighter" lens with f2.0-2.8. But still 2 stops slower than EX2F and 1 stop slower than XZ-1 and RX100. But no-doubt it's a capable camera. Ah..I like the VF.

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Added on July 9, 2012, 2:37 pmWhat I like is its capability to use adaptive accessories, like G10,11,12 and G1X. How good if XZ-1 and RX100 comes with that design and filter threads.

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Added on July 9, 2012, 2:39 pmI heard people saying that Olympus "confessed" the use of Sony manufactured sensors on their cameras, but the official statement is nowhere to be found. ><

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Added on July 9, 2012, 2:45 pmI have a feeling that in future, we can further sub-categorize the "Semi-pro compacts" or "Prosumer compacts" into "large aperture cameras", "performance oriented cameras", "large sensor equipped cameras" etc.

Maybe it's too detailed, but nowadays we can see a large numbers of "large aperture compacts", and few "performance oriented compacts". The above-mentioned XZ-1, RX100 and EX2F being in the former group, and G1X and P7000 being in the later group.

Haha. Just kidding.

This post has been edited by Ryou: Jul 9 2012, 02:45 PM

I think i can agree on that. One group being small enough to go into the pocket with minimal buttons. And the other one being bigger with viewfinder and have more external controls.

Technically, X10's lens is only 1/3 stop slower than XZ-1 from wide to zoom and 1 2/3 stop faster zoomed compared with RX100.

Also why you think G1X and P7000 is "performance orientated"?

I guess the idea of categorizing them in performance orientated, would be solely based on their appearance. They do look like tough guys in compacts I guess. I heard that there is an AF lag in G1X also. But they're neither good on optics.

do u guys know when is the release date for RX100 in malaysia ?

This post has been edited by "admin": Jul 9 2012, 06:25 PM

No idea at all. If it's released, I'll bring my Sony alpha and XZ-1 to try it out.

This is not mine... but came across this very useful comparison.

All credits to the owner

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39900657@N08/...ith/7159245355/


SONY Cyber-Shot RX100 & Other cameras comparison 4/6 by foxfoto_archives, on Flickr


SONY Cyber-Shot RX100 & Other cameras comparison 6/6 by foxfoto_archives, on Flickr

Its about the size of Xz-1. The only High end PnS that can slip
comfortably into a pocket is the S90/S95/S100.

Actually its quite a bit thinner than the xz1. The oly needs a lenscap or autocap which wasnt shown on the pic while the rx100's built-in

By the way I'm curious to see Sigma's DP series, in compared in the above-mentioned models. Sigma does have brilliant prime optics and Foveon sensor.

Yeah... I've not played with one but the general consensus looks like the Sigma's overall user experience seems to be frustrating.

Btw... LL's review of the RX100 is up. Darn poisonous ... better start to menabung di.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...ony_rx100.shtml

http://www.eoshd.com/content/8499/sony-rx100-review

wah...so good review ( can trust or not? )...dslr,m43,etc all can close shop.....

not really.. this is a camera not to replace dslrs but to act as a very very capable 2nd camera which is also pocket-able at the same time

actually, i'm one of those who will be putting down my dslr ( maybe for a period of time...) and going to a high end compact. so i'll be replacing my dslr with either the successor to xz1/s100 or the rx100. i'm still waiting for the others to show up first.

Between now and sept(photokina) we will get to see a new generation of
high end compacts. Fast lens and I inch sensor will be expected or else
don't bother

LX7 is coming

In some daily activites, they do replace DSLR.

For example, I use my girlfriend's XZ-1 to snap the photos of cuisines. We enjoy hanging out with my Sony alpha left in my beg. My hands will be occupied when going out with her, helping her to carry shopping stuff.

Some of these high-end compact do better macro than normal kit. I only have a 16-105mm for my Sony's system, can't really do macro, while XZ-1 can focus as close as 1cm, which is quite useful. I don't have to keep changing lens to enjoy the large aperture with XZ-1. It's convenient, and nowadays small sensor can actually perform as close as (if not surpass) an aged APS-C sensor.

The examples that you guys gave is using the RX100 to replace the DSLR for your day to day shots. It will still never replace a DSLR/DSLT for serious stuff, e.g. weddings, events, sports. just my opinion

Of course, but the mirrorless are going to shorten the distance between compact and SLR

yeah.. waiting for the day for on-sensor phase detection which actually works..

The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).

it only works it bright day light. and you can't control when you wanna use it. the camera will decide for itself.

Ya. Good camera, with so so lens, and unreasonable price.

Looks like LX7 went with a faster f1.4 lens like samseng rather than a bigger sensor. Rx100 win di

info out already?

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100

but the RX100 still has a bigger sensor to compensate that one stop disadvantage

Yup... that's why its curious to see if the new sensor is a backlit cmos or not. That could help pull-in the difference.

Currently the RX100 has at least one stop advantage over LX5/XZ1.

Also downloaded the large jpeg samples for the LX7.... doesn't look good

correct me if i am a wrong but a backlit sensor will only give you better performance at high ISO performance. color seperation, dynamic range and the amount of details you can get doesnt get improved. rx100 still wins

Wonder how if Zeiss's T* coating VS Lumix's Nano Surface Coating.

i saw lx7 preview sample too in dpreview.com....the indoor pictures dont look good...

Ya.. Dynamic range sorely lacking on the previous lx/xz sensor but thats not fully size dependant. Like S100's DR quite good wat... Despite its small size

anyway this time they really put out a great lens.... 1.4-2.5 that is sure fast.

It's a balance la... between lens and sensor.

the 1 stop gain at lens 1 stop taken away from sensor. Why must it be like this.

Cant they just do something greater? Dont follow s100 where you gain digic5 you get a less bright lens.

Well, engineers still cant break the law of physics. there must be a compromise somewhere. it's just getting the best package available.

Come to think of it.. I know of a compact thats does....

- Much better high ISO than the RX100
- Super fast AF system.
- Same dynamic range
- Touch screen ... tonnes of functionality.... electronic spirit level also got.
- Can fit EVF
- Can bracket up to 7 shots
- Also can bounce flash
- Bigger but about the same size as the XZ-1 niah (5mm thicker package niah)

So... the best'est and cheaper than the RX100 making it highest cost/performance ratio, most powderful compact camera now is the....

haha true also.... but 14mm lens is 28mm only..... but price for gx1 + 14mm prime still cheap meh?

But can it fit in your pants pocket comfortably?

Pana GX1 with 14mm quite limiting plus I thought users are complaining
it has crippling slow AF?

RX100 is king of premium PnS for now

GX1 with their new power lens really small only.... focus speed also really fast with the touch screen. But the only downside is the lens are too slow f3.5 onwards...

http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?21112087551991

After converting to RM still cheaper than RX100.

It's the same size as my XZ-1 more or less.

Where got? GX1 AF is super snappy wan. Can personally attest to that.

And yes.. RX100 looks good considering LX7's dissappointing specs but its still closer to premium compact performance while the GX1 is closer to dslr performance wo.

True... don't like the PZ lens at all. The size is nice but sloooooooow and the damn ahbeng red fonts all over the place.

preview keluar sudah...

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx7

with sensor, aperture & aperture equivalent comparison

If the RX100 is not so slow at the tele end then it would've been a winner for me.

the LX7 sample lacks that oomph.



This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Jul 20 2012, 10:34 AM

Hmmm.. just came across these in flickr.

Not bad considering they're out of camera jpegs. At least it didn't clip the blacks like most compacts does in long exposure.

NOTE: These are not mine


中正廟夜拍‧國家劇院 by In the snap, on Flickr


中正廟夜拍 by In the snap, on Flickr

Sorry, sorry G1X AF slow not GX1

going to see this camera next thursday

where ? where?

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Added on July 22, 2012, 3:51 pmI am looking to buy a premium compact and right now the RX100 is top
of the list. Someone did an estimate on the size of the new Canon M
and if he is right it is even smaller than the RX100 and S100.
Anyway we will know tomorrow and hope it will not be too expensive
like the Oly EM5



This post has been edited by aquos: Jul 22 2012, 03:51 PM

Different category la.. besides its pointless just to compare camera body. The EOS-M will have the same issues that the NEX had but at the same time, have time advantage to correct where NEX went wrong.

Anyone got the RX100 yet?

will attend a launching on thursday

in msia?

What sort of same issues are they?

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Added on July 26, 2012, 4:55 pmThat would mean today. What sort of invite is that?

A press release was provided on 23rd July but no price was given at the time. Sony has informed that the RX100 will be available in Malaysia from early August 2012.

This post has been edited by Euthenics: Jul 26 2012, 04:55 PM

Dayum the camera is reaaaally small and light. F1.8 ftw!

drillz mana?

post 1 first


Sony RX100 by zstan, on Flickr

more & bigger res photos at my flickr



Thanks to Sony Malaysia I was invited to the Sony RX100's launching at Ecoba Bar at Damansara Perdana. When this camera was announced last month it made huge waves in the photography world by possessing the largest sensor in camera which can fit into your jeans pocket, paired along with a great Zeiss lens with T* coating. I won't go into detail about the camera's specs as usual as there are many other websites out there doing much better reviews than me.

Some product shots:


Lens when fully extended

Generally I am really impressed with this camera. It's amazing how much detail the sensor can capture. Since it has a bigger sensor, it easier to get bokeh (out of focused areas), and by bokeh i mean really good bokeh, unlike the crap bokeh from my Sony TX10. The high ISO performance is also stunning. Autofocus performance seems pretty decent for a compact, even in low light conditions. I also love a new fancy feature called 'Drop Sensor'. Basically if you activate it, the camera will automatically retract the lens once it detects the camera falling to the ground. Very cool feature which may save the lens one day.

Alright enough talk, I will let the pictures do it instead. Another thank you to Sony for providing 2 lovely models and some props for us to take photos of!




Cute model =P ISO1600. The details on her face is still retained very well!


This was shot f1.8! Wide open! Still very acceptable sharpness!

High ISO test. Not very standardised so please take it with a grain of salt.




ISO6400 f1.8. Still looking good!

And time to test the bokeh!



And last but not least, testing the creative styles! For the RX100 they have added two new features: water painting and illuminate.


water painting


Illustration!!


I really love this new creative style! It actually works!! Picture of the drinks

The only real setback for this camera is the price which retails at RM2499 D: Street prices may drop to about 2.2k though. Those who can afford it will certainly enjoy this tiny little camera very much! Also, manual focusing with this camera seems a bit challenging. Or maybe I am doing it wrongly? :/ I didn't really have much time to go through and dig out the faults of this camera but generally you won't regret getting this tiny little gem!

This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 26 2012, 11:33 PM

whoah..really a pricey for that kind of camera...I better opt for ILC than having this compact with steroid!!

Seriously after testing this camera it has great NEX-7 interface, decent IQ and good AF but the price of RM2499 is quite too much than I expected ... at Taiwan SRP ($21980 = MYR 2311) sold slightly cheaper than here T.T

My nearby camera shop (taipei) sells japan import RX100 for NTD17,700. Lagi cheaper.


zstan: those water color stuff are hideous la.

Here some my photo from RX100







Pretty good camera but pricey

This post has been edited by jloi: Jul 27 2012, 02:16 AM

The camera sounds promising but somehow I found the IQ still very much in compact camera territory. Yea I was there at the launch too. The macarons were quite tempting lol...

With so many choices abound, and a stiff RM2,499 price tag, this new pocket wonder will be quite a hard sell.

ISO 400, 1/60s @f/4, 26mm focal length
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w156/gr...2/RX_100001.jpg

Steve Huff really really really...........like this camera

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/07/26/t...-actually-ever/

"I will keep this simple. The Sony RX100 is the best compact camera to ever be released in the digital world. Ever. Period. End of story. Will to be the best for long? Who knows but I do know it is not a camera that will hold you back from taking any kind of photos you want. If you have the passion, the creativity and drive you can make amazing photos with the RX100. I highly recommend it. I bought it -"

But somehow i felt the control button not as user friendly as other brand or maybe i could wrong...If only Sony let me spend more time on the camera last night

yup camera looks nice but still it is Sony to me.... need to wait till the mass got the camera and more review come out first then only decide.


Got feeling next year compact will all come with big sensor. Especially something from canon. G1x already fitted with big sensor but then come a EOS-M which fit a even bigger sensor into a body. So now i am looking forward on what is the G2x and S105 gonna look like. Bigger sensor + faster lens.

when will it be available in Malaysia?

early august..next week probably

The manual control is a bit fiddling. But the price is the main setback. RM2499 is too steep for a point & shoot compact camera even though it's geared more toward the high end line.

Add a few more hundred, one can get the Canon EOS-M in a couple of month time. However, it's great to see Sony coming out good stuff in this category.

Depends on how you look at it... its ludicrous expensive "for a compact camera" but Nikon 1 is also about this price, Fuji X10 is also about this price and the RX100 equals or beats both of them in image quality and performance + it fits into pocket.

I wonder what the street price will be. Or rather lowyat forum price. Maybe can get around 2K? Very tempting since my X10 is not really what you call compact. Attracted to the video capability as well.