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post Jul 7 2012, 11:20 PM

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Samsung has entered the game with a Schneider-Kreuznach f1.4 lens's EX2F.

Let's compare the lenses,

RX100's Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar f1.8-4.9 28-100mm
EX2F's Schneider-Kreuznach f1.4~ 24-80mm
Olympus's M.Zuiko f1.8-2.9 28-115mm

XZ-1 has the "all time brighter" which Samsung's EX2F will be the brightest and widest with f1.4 and 24mm SWA. With this combo, low-light landscape will be much easier.

RX100 might have the best "branded" lens since it's from Zeiss. Most of you know that "Sonnar" means "bright" and represents large aperture. But definitely not the brightest in telephoto.

I believe EX2F will "theoritically" give the best optical performance with that focal length, less zoom ratio, better image quality, I guess. Schneider-Krueznach from German, almost as famous as Carl Zeiss, I wonder how both of the German glasses perform.

XZ-1's M.Zuiko lens is very sharp even wide open. I own XZ-1 and was impressed at the first sight after some comparison with my Sony Alpha. It was until I replaced my kit lens with a better prime lens, XZ-1 performed nearly identical (if not better) than my kit lens. The focal length and the aperture are very convenient. I meant, where else you could get telephoto-end with f2.9?

I hope RX100 could perform better in low-light with its larger sensor. With enough ambient light, Carl-Zeiss will not disappoint us with its T* coating, but I wonder how about low-light.

S100 and LX5? Come out with something near to the 3 mentioned models, then only we talk.
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post Jul 9 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jul 8 2012, 01:31 PM)
I wonder what Panasonic will bring to the table on 18th of July with the new LX7.

You're forgetting the Fuji X10. Ah maybe it's too big compared to the others.  blush.gif
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Oh ya it has the 2nd "all time brighter" lens with f2.0-2.8. But still 2 stops slower than EX2F and 1 stop slower than XZ-1 and RX100. But no-doubt it's a capable camera. Ah..I like the VF.


Added on July 9, 2012, 2:37 pm
QUOTE(unicorn70 @ Jul 8 2012, 02:18 PM)
Err.... Are you referring to the Samsung?


Added on July 8, 2012, 2:27 pm

The Samsung comes with the 'grip'... Looks like its more ergonomic compared with the oly, Sony, canon, panny. And also the tilt screen, which would be great for self or couple portraits.
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What I like is its capability to use adaptive accessories, like G10,11,12 and G1X. How good if XZ-1 and RX100 comes with that design and filter threads.


Added on July 9, 2012, 2:39 pm
QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 9 2012, 10:24 AM)
X10 is nice but still doubts about the orb issue and menu system a bit clunky.. and big.
Not really.. no doubt that on paper, the f1.4 lens trumps all the current enthuasiast compacts using the same 1/1.7 inch sensor but after using S90 and XZ-1, got urge for bigger sensor di.
Kinda hope XZ-2 will be an even bigger revolution since Oly is in bed with Sony now according to the rumors.
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I heard people saying that Olympus "confessed" the use of Sony manufactured sensors on their cameras, but the official statement is nowhere to be found. ><


Added on July 9, 2012, 2:45 pm
QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jul 9 2012, 12:43 PM)
The new sensor/lens combo seems to fix it. The menu is pretty straight forward to me. It's the limitations in certain modes that's confusing. Can't deny the size though. tongue.gif
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I have a feeling that in future, we can further sub-categorize the "Semi-pro compacts" or "Prosumer compacts" into "large aperture cameras", "performance oriented cameras", "large sensor equipped cameras" etc.

Maybe it's too detailed, but nowadays we can see a large numbers of "large aperture compacts", and few "performance oriented compacts". The above-mentioned XZ-1, RX100 and EX2F being in the former group, and G1X and P7000 being in the later group.

Haha. Just kidding.

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post Jul 9 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 9 2012, 04:29 PM)
Technically, X10's lens is only 1/3 stop slower than XZ-1 from wide to zoom and 1 2/3 stop faster zoomed compared with RX100.

Also why you think G1X and P7000 is "performance orientated"?
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I guess the idea of categorizing them in performance orientated, would be solely based on their appearance. They do look like tough guys in compacts I guess. I heard that there is an AF lag in G1X also. But they're neither good on optics.
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post Jul 9 2012, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE("admin" @ Jul 9 2012, 06:24 PM)
do u guys know when is the release date for RX100 in malaysia ?
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No idea at all. If it's released, I'll bring my Sony alpha and XZ-1 to try it out. tongue.gif
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post Jul 13 2012, 11:06 AM

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By the way I'm curious to see Sigma's DP series, in compared in the above-mentioned models. Sigma does have brilliant prime optics and Foveon sensor.
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post Jul 14 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 14 2012, 03:17 PM)
not really.. this is a camera not to replace dslrs but to act as a very very capable 2nd camera which is also pocket-able at the same time
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In some daily activites, they do replace DSLR.

For example, I use my girlfriend's XZ-1 to snap the photos of cuisines. We enjoy hanging out with my Sony alpha left in my beg. My hands will be occupied when going out with her, helping her to carry shopping stuff. icon_question.gif

Some of these high-end compact do better macro than normal kit. I only have a 16-105mm for my Sony's system, can't really do macro, while XZ-1 can focus as close as 1cm, which is quite useful. I don't have to keep changing lens to enjoy the large aperture with XZ-1. It's convenient, and nowadays small sensor can actually perform as close as (if not surpass) an aged APS-C sensor.
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post Jul 15 2012, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 14 2012, 10:04 PM)
The examples that you guys gave is using the RX100 to replace the DSLR for your day to day shots. It will still never replace a DSLR/DSLT for serious stuff, e.g. weddings, events, sports. smile.gif just my opinion biggrin.gif
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Of course, but the mirrorless are going to shorten the distance between compact and SLR
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post Jul 17 2012, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 17 2012, 01:21 PM)
The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).
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Ya. Good camera, with so so lens, and unreasonable price.
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post Jul 18 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 10:10 AM)
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous  doh.gif  doh.gif (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100
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Wonder how if Zeiss's T* coating VS Lumix's Nano Surface Coating.
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post Jul 28 2012, 10:05 PM

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T-dimension is selling it at USD 669, the shipment to malaysia is USD41++

Sony Malaysia tends to overprice their things.
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(wingster @ Jul 30 2012, 09:57 PM)
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If you compare Nikon x1.5 APS-C (Same goes to Pentax/Samsung/Sony Alpha or NEX/etc.) to Canon x1.6 APS-C the difference it just x0.1

The difference between sensor sizes were noise level, dynamic range and depth (in common bigger the sensor size, better the noise level control, dynamic range and shallow the depth)
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The x0.1 difference makes a great difference in focal length. tongue.gif


Added on July 30, 2012, 10:29 pm
QUOTE(gregy @ Jul 29 2012, 06:20 PM)
In terms of IQ it is slightly worse than the Nikon 1 J1, so what are you going on about?

In terms of dimensions, the Nikon 1 J1 is 106.0 x 61.0 x 29.8 mm versus the RX100 which is 101.6 x 58.1 x 35.9mm, very similar.

In terms of pricing, the J1 is RM1,998 with kit lens (10-30mm) while the RX100 is RM2,499.

In terms of sensor size, both are the same: 13.2 mm x 8.8 mm

Based on the above, why should I pay more for a compact camera when I can get more bang for buck with a CSC with more upgrading possibilities?

And, let's not even talk about DSLRs lol... the Nikon D3200 is only RM2,548, the Canon EOS 1100D is only RM1,899 and even Sony's own NEX F3 is RM1,999. All of them with 18-55mm kit lens. All three of these cameras will give you much higher IQ than the RX100.

Let's put it this way. Anyone who's after the ultimate portability will buy a smartphone with a good camera. Anyone who wants high IQ will get a CSC or DSLR. Not many people will pay RM2,499 for a compact that is neither as compact as a smartphone, nor as high IQ as a CSC.
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You get a Zeiss's Vario Sonnar f1.8 lens. I don't think we the prices you mentioned, you can get large aperture.

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post Jul 31 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 31 2012, 08:57 AM)
i nvr said i am following anyone. Just that what makes Sony thinks they can sell that camera premium?

Yes the sensor of it is just tat bit bigger than those enthusiastic P&S. But then it does not shine in any other things, first design it is seriously outmatch by Fuji x series (for the classy and elegant premium look), second it is not have the fastest lens in it rank (it doesn't even win the year old Olympus XZ-1), third it does not look like a serious P&S like G1X (yes the size is big but hey at least the main sell point is the sensor size + all the control). fourth its feature doesnt even come near Nikon 1 series which is really wow in this factor. Last but to least, it is not the smallest in the rank too (canon still give us a good s series).

So what i see Sony is... they are trying to achieve everything but end up does not do anything as good as their opponent. For the price they ask for, i think is still abit too much for a jack of all trade master of none P&S.
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It's only Sony Malaysia doing this. They overprice their products which are priced comparatively cheaper in other countries.

In fact, Nikon & Canon do tend to overprice their products globally.
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post Aug 27 2012, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(TrutH_SeeKeR @ Aug 25 2012, 09:55 PM)
hi thr

where can i buy Sony RX100? been waiting for this for quite sometime alrdy
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Ready stocks in Sony Centre KLCC.


Added on August 27, 2012, 5:55 pmI went to KLCC to try RX100 out. Brought my XZ-1 along too, to compare the the both as XZ-1 is already very excellent.

I wasn't able to slot in my SD card into the RX100 as the slot was sealed to prevent thief. So was unable to provide some reliable evidence of what I say. But I must say that the sharpness of RX100 produced by the Vario-Sonnar T* is very good.

I used the HX200V beside the RX100 as my subject of testing. After trying both XZ-1 and RX100 in same setting, same aperture to be particular, RX100 appears to be much sharper than the XZ-1. With the same ISO setting, it has lower noise and the colour appears to be quite accurate.

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post Aug 27 2012, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Aug 27 2012, 07:04 PM)
the LCD on most Sony product produce sharper and crispier image than the original file. What they call their LCD already??? Cant recall the name. But nvm just dont believe in the LCD on the tiny camera.
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It's called TruBlack if I recall correctly.


Added on August 27, 2012, 7:21 pm
QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 27 2012, 05:59 PM)
You compared what was displayed on the LCD alone?
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Yes. As I was unable to save it with my card.

But the difference it so significant. There are some details that my XZ-1 was unable to capture. I wouldn't say it's the screen that appears to sharpen it.

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