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post Jul 14 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(unicorn70 @ Jul 14 2012, 02:44 PM)
wah...so good review ( can trust or not?  rclxub.gif )...dslr,m43,etc all can close shop..... whistling.gif
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not really.. this is a camera not to replace dslrs but to act as a very very capable 2nd camera which is also pocket-able at the same time
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post Jul 14 2012, 10:04 PM

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The examples that you guys gave is using the RX100 to replace the DSLR for your day to day shots. It will still never replace a DSLR/DSLT for serious stuff, e.g. weddings, events, sports. smile.gif just my opinion biggrin.gif
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post Jul 15 2012, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ryou @ Jul 15 2012, 03:54 PM)
Of course, but the mirrorless are going to shorten the distance between compact and SLR
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yeah.. waiting for the day for on-sensor phase detection which actually works.. smile.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 17 2012, 01:21 PM)
The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).
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it only works it bright day light. and you can't control when you wanna use it. the camera will decide for itself.
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post Jul 18 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 10:10 AM)
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous  doh.gif  doh.gif (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100
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but the RX100 still has a bigger sensor to compensate that one stop disadvantage tongue.gif
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post Jul 18 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 11:59 AM)
Yup... that's why its curious to see if the new sensor is a backlit cmos or not. That could help pull-in the difference.

Currently the RX100 has at least one stop advantage over LX5/XZ1.

Also downloaded the large jpeg samples for the LX7.... doesn't look good sad.gif
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correct me if i am a wrong but a backlit sensor will only give you better performance at high ISO performance. color seperation, dynamic range and the amount of details you can get doesnt get improved. rx100 still wins laugh.gif
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post Jul 18 2012, 05:13 PM

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Well, engineers still cant break the law of physics. there must be a compromise somewhere. it's just getting the best package available.
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post Jul 18 2012, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 05:29 PM)
Come to think of it.. I know of a compact thats does....

- Much better high ISO than the RX100
- Super fast AF system.
- Same dynamic range
- Touch screen ... tonnes of functionality.... electronic spirit level also got.
- Can fit EVF
- Can bracket up to 7 shots
- Also can bounce flash
- Bigger but about the same size as the XZ-1 niah (5mm thicker package niah)

So... the best'est and cheaper than the RX100 making it highest cost/performance ratio, most powderful compact camera now  is the....

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But can it fit in your pants pocket comfortably? laugh.gif
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post Jul 20 2012, 11:48 PM

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going to see this camera next thursday biggrin.gif
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post Jul 24 2012, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 22 2012, 10:11 PM)
Different category la.. besides its pointless just to compare camera body. The EOS-M will have the same issues that the NEX had but at the same time, have time advantage to correct where NEX went wrong.

Anyone got the RX100 yet?
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will attend a launching on thursday biggrin.gif
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post Jul 26 2012, 05:24 PM

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Dayum the camera is reaaaally small and light. F1.8 ftw!
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post Jul 26 2012, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 26 2012, 05:26 PM)
drillz mana?
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Sony RX100 by zstan, on Flickr
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post Jul 26 2012, 10:51 PM

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more & bigger res photos at my flickr



Thanks to Sony Malaysia I was invited to the Sony RX100's launching at Ecoba Bar at Damansara Perdana. When this camera was announced last month it made huge waves in the photography world by possessing the largest sensor in camera which can fit into your jeans pocket, paired along with a great Zeiss lens with T* coating. I won't go into detail about the camera's specs as usual as there are many other websites out there doing much better reviews than me.

Some product shots:

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Lens when fully extended

Generally I am really impressed with this camera. It's amazing how much detail the sensor can capture. Since it has a bigger sensor, it easier to get bokeh (out of focused areas), and by bokeh i mean really good bokeh, unlike the crap bokeh from my Sony TX10. The high ISO performance is also stunning. Autofocus performance seems pretty decent for a compact, even in low light conditions. I also love a new fancy feature called 'Drop Sensor'. Basically if you activate it, the camera will automatically retract the lens once it detects the camera falling to the ground. Very cool feature which may save the lens one day.

Alright enough talk, I will let the pictures do it instead. Another thank you to Sony for providing 2 lovely models and some props for us to take photos of!

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Cute model =P ISO1600. The details on her face is still retained very well!

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This was shot f1.8! Wide open! Still very acceptable sharpness!

High ISO test. Not very standardised so please take it with a grain of salt.

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ISO6400 f1.8. Still looking good!

And time to test the bokeh!

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And last but not least, testing the creative styles! For the RX100 they have added two new features: water painting and illuminate.

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water painting

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Illustration!!

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I really love this new creative style! It actually works!! Picture of the drinks

The only real setback for this camera is the price which retails at RM2499 D: Street prices may drop to about 2.2k though. Those who can afford it will certainly enjoy this tiny little camera very much! Also, manual focusing with this camera seems a bit challenging. Or maybe I am doing it wrongly? :/ I didn't really have much time to go through and dig out the faults of this camera but generally you won't regret getting this tiny little gem! biggrin.gif

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post Jul 27 2012, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jul 27 2012, 03:07 AM)
The camera sounds promising but somehow I found the IQ still very much in compact camera territory. Yea I was there at the launch too. The macarons were quite tempting lol...

With so many choices abound, and a stiff RM2,499 price tag, this new pocket wonder will be quite a hard sell.

ISO 400, 1/60s @f/4, 26mm focal length
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w156/gr...2/RX_100001.jpg
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What IQ are you comparing with? This certainly can't be better than a full frame DSLR with a 5k glass attached to it but for compact standards it's one of the best already.

QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 27 2012, 08:54 AM)
yup camera looks nice but still it is Sony to me.... need to wait till the mass got the camera and more review come out first then only decide.

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Seriously? People still has that 'because it's a Sony' mindset? Hahahaa okay bro. No comment.

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 27 2012, 12:39 PM)
no need to wait for EOS-M or add a few hundreds, you can buy a Nex now today tongue.gif

Added on July 27, 2012, 12:41 pm
Sony Malaysia follows SG price? SG listed at S$999 and they have GST and we dont. How come our pricing is so high? Should be less GST
US selling around RM2080, even add postage also only RM2240 but no local warranty

Hopefully street price will be a couple of hundred ringgit less
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Seems like they are following euro pricing because USA Selling at $650.

I would love the rx100 to have touch screen though. It's a bit tedious to select AF points.
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post Jul 28 2012, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(alangeorge @ Jul 28 2012, 09:50 AM)
nice pics. now i might consider this p+s instead of a used 5Dmk2.
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but don't expect corner to corner sharpness though. if you know its limitations then its indeed a really great camera!
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post Jul 29 2012, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jul 29 2012, 06:20 PM)
In terms of IQ it is slightly worse than the Nikon 1 J1, so what are you going on about?

In terms of dimensions, the Nikon 1 J1 is 106.0 x 61.0 x 29.8 mm versus the RX100 which is 101.6 x 58.1 x 35.9mm, very similar.

In terms of pricing, the J1 is RM1,998 with kit lens (10-30mm) while the RX100 is RM2,499.

In terms of sensor size, both are the same: 13.2 mm x 8.8 mm

Based on the above, why should I pay more for a compact camera when I can get more bang for buck with a CSC with more upgrading possibilities?

And, let's not even talk about DSLRs lol... the Nikon D3200 is only RM2,548, the Canon EOS 1100D is only RM1,899 and even Sony's own NEX F3 is RM1,999. All of them with 18-55mm kit lens. All three of these cameras will give you much higher IQ than the RX100.

Let's put it this way. Anyone who's after the ultimate portability will buy a smartphone with a good camera. Anyone who wants high IQ will get a CSC or DSLR. Not many people will pay RM2,499 for a compact that is neither as compact as a smartphone, nor as high IQ as a CSC.
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according to the images that i have seen so far the Sony gives better detail and resolution compared to the J1. So maybe we are seeing different batches of images or the Nikon J1 has a Nikkor 24 f1.4 attached to it. The IQ is also comparable to m43, if not better.

similiar dimensions? after attaching the 10-30mm the J1 is already quite huge. and not forgetting it doesnt have a f1.8 lens to begin with.

well, for starters this camera is not targetted for people who wants to upgrade in the first place. Of course we are not talking about DSLRs.. can they even fit your pocket lol...?

Unfortunately a smart phone's camera still loses out in low light...and if you are looking at Amazon rankings the RX100 is topping the charts for the past 2 weeks since its availability was announced..

but i do agree with you 2499 is over priced compared to the likes of Hong Kong and Taiwan and Singapore.
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post Jul 30 2012, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 30 2012, 07:00 PM)
yah but does the bit smaller sensor make tat much different? The Nikon aps-c is that bit bigger than Canon aps-c but the different is hardly noticeable.

Its is not like the m43 vs the compact different.
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of course it does... the measurements are totally different.. you can't compare APS-C with APS-C because both are APS-C!!! of course the difference are neglible!

m43 sensor is still larger than the 1 inch sensor! though they still use the same sensor since the EP1. correct me if i'm wrong
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post Jul 31 2012, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(aquos @ Jul 31 2012, 04:04 AM)
Don't be sad because many people feel this way about Sony. Only Sony think they
are still a premium brand and can charge a premium price for their products. Many
consumers dont agree thats why they are loosing billions every year. That being said
I think RX100 is at the top of its class now and I will buy it but I still wish it was some
other brand instead of Sony  tongue.gif
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Seriously? The cameras that Sony offer for the same price compared to its competitors offers much much more features and value for me.

And only Sony Malaysia is pricing it this high. Like what other forummers have mentioned, Taiwan/Singapore/Hong Kong are selling it at much cheaper prices. If you wanna bash also bash the correct entity la.


Added on July 31, 2012, 9:21 am
QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 31 2012, 08:57 AM)
i nvr said i am following anyone. Just that what makes Sony thinks they can sell that camera premium?

Yes the sensor of it is just tat bit bigger than those enthusiastic P&S. But then it does not shine in any other things, first design it is seriously outmatch by Fuji x series (for the classy and elegant premium look), second it is not have the fastest lens in it rank (it doesn't even win the year old Olympus XZ-1), third it does not look like a serious P&S like G1X (yes the size is big but hey at least the main sell point is the sensor size + all the control). fourth its feature doesnt even come near Nikon 1 series which is really wow in this factor. Last but to least, it is not the smallest in the rank too (canon still give us a good s series).

So what i see Sony is... they are trying to achieve everything but end up does not do anything as good as their opponent. For the price they ask for, i think is still abit too much for a jack of all trade master of none P&S.
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Lol. You have to use so many cameras to compare against this rx100 to find its flaws? I fail to see your analysis is fair when you dont even bother to mention about detail rendering/high ISO performance/ AF speed/ video mode/ Etc.

An have you even tried the rx100 by yourself before claiming that other cameras are much better? laugh.gif by the way te sensor is not a bit bigger than P&S sensors, it's at least twice the size bigger. It's not a jack of all trades, the whole point of the camera is having a large sized sensor P&S with a bright f1.8 Zeiss lens on the wide end that is pocketable. It doesn't look 'serious' because buyers would like to be discreet with theis camera. If they wanted attention they would have used their DSLRs. If you are looking to shoot far away objects with this camera in low light then I totally agree with you that this camera is not for you.

Just wondering, how do you define 'wow' factor though?'wow because the button layouts for the Nikon 1 is so thoughtfully arranged?'

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post Jul 31 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jul 31 2012, 09:43 AM)
Oh look. RM2388 at Shashinki.

http://j.mp/NgB0Le
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If Shashinki can sell it at 2388 I believe street prices should be around 21XX
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post Aug 4 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 3 2012, 12:47 AM)
Hmmm... the dynamic range doesn't look too good here.
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could always use DRO to boost to DR. hmm.gif

QUOTE(alangeorge @ Aug 4 2012, 04:45 PM)
Sony Msia RM2499
YL Camera RM2480
Shashinki RM2388

anyone know any other prices in KL?
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someone told me he found 22XX but not sure where

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