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post Jul 4 2012, 12:43 PM

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why this sensor so expensive? All camera with this sensor cost so much. All above 2k?
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post Jul 18 2012, 08:34 AM

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info out already?
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post Jul 18 2012, 04:57 PM

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anyway this time they really put out a great lens.... 1.4-2.5 that is sure fast.
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post Jul 18 2012, 05:04 PM

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the 1 stop gain at lens 1 stop taken away from sensor. Why must it be like this.

Cant they just do something greater? Dont follow s100 where you gain digic5 you get a less bright lens.
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post Jul 18 2012, 06:07 PM

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haha true also.... but 14mm lens is 28mm only..... but price for gx1 + 14mm prime still cheap meh?
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post Jul 19 2012, 09:11 AM

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GX1 with their new power lens really small only.... focus speed also really fast with the touch screen. But the only downside is the lens are too slow f3.5 onwards...
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post Jul 27 2012, 08:54 AM

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yup camera looks nice but still it is Sony to me.... need to wait till the mass got the camera and more review come out first then only decide.


Got feeling next year compact will all come with big sensor. Especially something from canon. G1x already fitted with big sensor but then come a EOS-M which fit a even bigger sensor into a body. So now i am looking forward on what is the G2x and S105 gonna look like. Bigger sensor + faster lens.
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post Jul 27 2012, 09:05 PM

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har seriously this EOS-M so slow ah? I dun know could it be slower than my S90?
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:21 PM

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now this super P&S are getting abit too high at price..... 3-4 years ago those G9, LX3 and S90 and enthusiastic P&S come out all around RM1.6k but this year all come out want you to paid RM2.4k+-.... big difference but still aiming at the same market segment.
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post Jul 30 2012, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jul 30 2012, 04:50 PM)
Overprice is a relative term. It's like saying normal mortals won't buy Leica because it's stupidly overpriced. But it still sells.

To me RX100 is a very interesting package. And i also blame Fuji for overpricing the X10 lol but they have a tough job to come up with a successor to beat Sony. The X Pro-1 is even more over inflated but still sells like hot cakes. rclxub.gif
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i dunno for that much price paid i dont get much differences from s100 and xz-1, and lets see what the LX6 gonna be price at? I seriously hope that Canon next installment gonna kill all this overprice enthusiastic P&C and make them back to the price they should be.That is RM1600-RM1800.
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post Jul 30 2012, 07:00 PM

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yah but does the bit smaller sensor make tat much different? The Nikon aps-c is that bit bigger than Canon aps-c but the different is hardly noticeable.

Its is not like the m43 vs the compact different.
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post Jul 31 2012, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 31 2012, 02:56 AM)
So basically you're just branding yourself as a sheep.. who only follow what others do, without having any standpoint of your own. How sad.
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i nvr said i am following anyone. Just that what makes Sony thinks they can sell that camera premium?

Yes the sensor of it is just tat bit bigger than those enthusiastic P&S. But then it does not shine in any other things, first design it is seriously outmatch by Fuji x series (for the classy and elegant premium look), second it is not have the fastest lens in it rank (it doesn't even win the year old Olympus XZ-1), third it does not look like a serious P&S like G1X (yes the size is big but hey at least the main sell point is the sensor size + all the control). fourth its feature doesnt even come near Nikon 1 series which is really wow in this factor. Last but to least, it is not the smallest in the rank too (canon still give us a good s series).

So what i see Sony is... they are trying to achieve everything but end up does not do anything as good as their opponent. For the price they ask for, i think is still abit too much for a jack of all trade master of none P&S.
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post Jul 31 2012, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 31 2012, 09:04 AM)
Seriously? The cameras that Sony offer for the same price compared to its competitors offers much much more features and value for me.

And only Sony Malaysia is pricing it this high. Like what other forummers have mentioned, Taiwan/Singapore/Hong Kong are selling it at much cheaper prices. If you wanna bash also bash the correct entity la.


Added on July 31, 2012, 9:21 am
Lol. You have to use so many cameras to compare against this rx100 to find its flaws? I fail to see your analysis is fair when you dont even bother to mention about detail rendering/high ISO performance/ AF speed/ video mode/ Etc.

An have you even tried the rx100 by yourself before claiming that other cameras are much better? laugh.gif  by the way te sensor is not a bit bigger than P&S sensors, it's at least twice the size bigger. It's not a jack of all trades, the whole point of the camera is having a large sized sensor P&S with a bright f1.8 Zeiss lens on the wide end that is pocketable. It doesn't look 'serious' because buyers would like to be discreet with theis camera. If they wanted attention they would have used their DSLRs.  If you are looking to shoot far away objects with this camera in low light then I totally agree with you that this camera is not for you.

Just wondering, how do you define 'wow' factor though?'wow because the button layouts for the Nikon 1 is so thoughtfully arranged?'
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guess we all have different point of view. Just enjoy the camera. No point argue also. Ppl like it will still buy it. Not like i hate the camera just i dont like the way they price it only. Ok peace peace for all the others. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 8 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(Qool @ Aug 8 2012, 11:02 PM)
hi guys, went over to one of the Sony center in Gurney Plaza, they still did not have the display unit out but when I approached one of the sales person, I was half surprised that he said they have the unit already. Open up the drawer and showed me the box. Price wise? RM2499... free 8GB memory card and case. Woah, I bet we can get it at much cheaper price elsewhere, so without the ability to test, I just thanked him and walked away.

It got me thinking, should I opt for other similar size CSC camera (m4/3, Nikon 1, Canon EOS-M eventually?) or to just go with this super compact which can have its lens collapse completely, no future upgrade possibility and at a very expensive price.

I want a decent camera which shoots excellent video compared to a smartphone. Holding out on Nikon V1 for a few months... and now this excellent little shooter surfaced... not to mention, there would be new camera announcements soon, possibly Nikon 1 updated camera, LX7, EOS-M, etc.

Decisions, decisions...
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if you not in hurry you might as well wait for the s105 announcement which would be in this 2 months times based on the pass s90 - s100 trend.
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post Aug 9 2012, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(Qool @ Aug 8 2012, 11:38 PM)
more like a compliment, I do own D90. Looking for a more pocketable camera which can also take descend videos with certain bokeh effect and manual focus control... smile.gif

The search is still on... these few months's gonna be exciting
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you want deccent bokeh then i think this 1inch sensor cant give you much woh. Maybe you should look at GX1
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post Aug 9 2012, 08:40 AM

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fuji x series also not flying of the shelf mah.... those things cost too much and really take someone hardcore to luv and buy it a first sight.

s105 i just wish they do something with their lens, canon lens are really sucky compare to their competitor who are all chunking out fast lens from 1.4 all the way till 2.8....

as for sensor.. if they snap in a G1X sensor in a s100 body god i dunno what monster will it cre8. Anyway i believe it maybe possible since they already manage to fit an APS-C into the EOS-M which is as small as the s series already. But fitting in such size sensor in the body will also meant it needs a big glass in order to be fast. This can be seen in the RX100 where their lens are much fatter than the Olympus XZ-01.
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post Aug 14 2012, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(aquos @ Aug 14 2012, 06:54 PM)
LX3 to LX5 to LX7 and S90 to S95 to S100 . They are all evolution meaning
slight improvement over the previous model. No matter how deep we look
there is no drastic improvement that can be considered revolutionary  whistling.gif
It would be revolutionary if Panasonic made  their LX7 like the RX100 but with
optional EVF, tilt and touch screen. Just my opinion LOL
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har you compare it like this ah? Becoz the LX and S series are in the market several they are consider not revolutionary? But by what means is the RX100 revolutionary all the stuff they put in are all already in the market?
Big sensor.... Nikon put the 1 inch sensor in used early this year or was it last end of last year, and canon come out with a bigger sensor that is like half year earlier than RX100.
Flip screen.... damn this is already a feature that is avaliable in G11 which is 2 years+ ago case but RX100 dont have woh.
Bright Lens... this they really did a good job, but it is only as bright as it get in the wide end..... that means when you zoom it will also degrade....i think Olympus did a better lens if you want to compare.
Touchscreen.... this function is already been used by a lot of P&S so why RX100 does not have it?

RX100 is good in its own way. But definitely not revolutionary. Nokia 808 pureview is what i call revolutionary, and That Lytro camera is really revolutionary to me. Something that is not seen in the digital camera era for quite sometime.
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post Aug 27 2012, 07:04 PM

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the LCD on most Sony product produce sharper and crispier image than the original file. What they call their LCD already??? Cant recall the name. But nvm just dont believe in the LCD on the tiny camera.
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post Aug 29 2012, 04:26 PM

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i think the time that XZ1 launch back then and the time that Sony launch its rx100 have something to do also. Back at the XZ1 it was unique for its really fast lens. But when RX100 launch now the market already too crowded with pocketable size premium P&S.

So if XZ1 will launch today it wont get the same rating as it get back then.
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post Aug 30 2012, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 29 2012, 04:52 PM)
When XZ-1 was first launched, the competing models were Canon S95/G11, Panny LX5 and that samseng whatever ma. Fast forward to now... only new addition to the market is Fuji only wat.
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It is like the market is bored of this type of product i guess. The market has too many now so no more special feelings. I think back when s90 came out it really did wow the whole market.

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