1.6 forte EX dont have ESC
only the SX model got it

and please a 2.5 years old car is the not same like a new car, even the new car smell is not there anymore

Wishing for a 6 speeder MT CFE.. Mat79, u have anything to say about this?

wait for SE
manual is extincting already

yes only the sx got it but still the price is very tempting and the condition still very good. which give me headache to choose and i dont really care bout the smell bro.

but thanks for your input. even mazda3 1.6 engine is not so powerful as forte 1.6 so i guess it's ok then.

If you're in a city. Then chances are no matter how much power you have also means nothing. Why not choose something that gives the best of you while you're stuck in a jam, namely the interior. Also the design of the car that you like

yeah you are right but i will be doing long distance driving the most. i work in many places and always traveling. seldom drive in the city.

thats why im craving for 1.6 which will give me the most. but i know speed is not everything, it must came wif safety also which p321a have it in premium model.

This post has been edited by sp3d2: Mar 15 2012, 03:47 PM

as been informed, yup, can do cps to meet euro 5, but the power will reduce especially torque wise. Couple vvt n cps, it can be done, but it is high cost coz initially pheonix project is for cfe only, it just that the engineers try also to come out with the na version. Cfe n iafm+ has similar based compare to cps which using distributor n spark coil while cfe n iafm+ using cop@distributorless system.

Iafm+ 50% component diff from iafm. It is not visible, more focussing on cooling element to ensure engine is always at atmost optimum temperature so that it will work at optimum efficiency, emmision compliancy coz current cps n iafm is only euro 4. Come in also 32bit torquebased ecu to replace 16bit loadbased ecu in cps n iafm, which means better controlling of torque spread n broader torque band.

Still remember when exora come out, when they explaining on hp@kw, people all saying that is not important, the most important is torque. But now they are focusing on torque, people say why less hp n etc.

Look at cps n iafm+ torque. Cps 150nm@4500rpm.
Iafm+ 150nm@4000rpm.

Cps 85-90% of torque at 3000rpm.
Iafm+85-90% of torque at 2000rpm.

Cps 125hp@6500 rpm.
Iafm+108hp@5750rpm.

Which one has better drivability? Which one has better top speed? Iafm+ has better drivability while cps is better at top end speed. But how much is hp generated for cps@5750 rpm? I think cps generate around 112hp at the same rpm, not that much, only 4hp more.

Erm, if cps been compliant to euro 5, so let say the hp maybe reduce to 120hp, but what if the torque is 140nm only?

Look at the new avanza engine 1.5, based on same engine, but old one didnt comply with euro 4, current one comply, so look how much hp n torque that they need to sacrifice for meeting eu emmission.

Couple vvt n cps n vim, not only really complicated, but also expensive to build. Thats why toyota mainly using vvti n dual vvti, rather than their own valvematic tech engine.

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Added on March 15, 2012, 3:53 pmas been informed, yup, can do cps to meet euro 5, but the power will reduce especially torque wise. Couple vvt n cps, it can be done, but it is high cost coz initially pheonix project is for cfe only, it just that the engineers try also to come out with the na version. Cfe n iafm+ has similar based compare to cps which using distributor n spark coil while cfe n iafm+ using cop@distributorless system.

Iafm+ 50% component diff from iafm. It is not visible, more focussing on cooling element to ensure engine is always at atmost optimum temperature so that it will work at optimum efficiency, emmision compliancy coz current cps n iafm is only euro 4. Come in also 32bit torquebased ecu to replace 16bit loadbased ecu in cps n iafm, which means better controlling of torque spread n broader torque band.

Still remember when exora come out, when they explaining on hp@kw, people all saying that is not important, the most important is torque. But now they are focusing on torque, people say why less hp n etc.

Look at cps n iafm+ torque. Cps 150nm@4500rpm.
Iafm+ 150nm@4000rpm.

Cps 85-90% of torque at 3000rpm.
Iafm+85-90% of torque at 2000rpm.

Cps 125hp@6500 rpm.
Iafm+108hp@5750rpm.

Which one has better drivability? Which one has better top speed? Iafm+ has better drivability while cps is better at top end speed. But how much is hp generated for cps@5750 rpm? I think cps generate around 112hp at the same rpm, not that much, only 4hp more.

Erm, if cps been compliant to euro 5, so let say the hp maybe reduce to 120hp, but what if the torque is 140nm only?

Look at the new avanza engine 1.5, based on same engine, but old one didnt comply with euro 4, current one comply, so look how much hp n torque that they need to sacrifice for meeting eu emmission.

Couple vvt n cps n vim, not only really complicated, but also expensive to build. Thats why toyota mainly using vvti n dual vvti, rather than their own valvematic tech engine.

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 15 2012, 03:53 PM

Another immensely informative post, a great many things that I did not know previously.

mat79, just confess you are DSZ.

6 getrag mt, herm...wait next year maybe, but not for p321a maybe :-), but this year, i think u already get 7 speed protronic paddle shifter n gear shifter, why do u need 6mt? Maybe fun factor? Can u eleborate more,just for sharing.

mat79 is a phd student doing a thesis on proton engine

Bro, u write so much just to explain why CPS cannot support Euro5.. Only 1 reason, our fuel quality currently only EURO2!!! Even worst then Thailand & India! So WTF Proton want to upgrade it?!?

Mat79, old iafm changeable with iafm+?

sorry O.T

sorry to dissapoint u dares but i'm not :-). No need to give out more info coz already available on the net. Just sharing thoughts,minds n ideas,like anyone else here.

Coz Proton cars are also exported?

lol

mat79, the way u explain everything, u r proton eng itself rather than a friend of a proton staff..

This post has been edited by Huskarl: Mar 15 2012, 04:22 PM

Actually he got split personality. He tell himself wan

ha..ha..fuel is another factor. There are 28 countries being targeted to market p3, n not only thai n malaysia. Some markets need euro 5 compliants to save up on running cost. Do u know what are euro 5 emmision engine n euro 5 fuel?

kesian, just let him be

28? How come a friend of proton staff know this number.....?